User talk:Youreallycan

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	If you start a discussion here on my talkpage I will likely respond on this page as I like to keep discussion complete in one location. If I feel the discussion is confrontational or attacking I reserve the right to request you to host it on your own talkpage. If I move the discussion to your talkpage please do not replace it here, I will delete it.

This user helped promote Ed Miliband to good article status.

Sub judice UK

Thank you for adding the {{Sub judice UK}} template here. It goes a long way toward addressing my concerns. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:29, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Nao problema. E foi meu prazer. - Youreallycan 23:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|User talk:PPdd |Signpost_stuff_re_block.3B_Pearlasia_Gamboa_merge_with_Allied_Artists_International_contract_signed_4-27-2000_and_mainpulati|ts=19:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)}} Toddst1 (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks!!! - Youreallycan 19:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, something weird is going on. PPdd appears to be a rather prolific socker with some sophisticated cybercrime knowledge. Toddst1 (talk) 19:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, I am picking up all the same tingly feelings - Good block Todd - Youreallycan 19:59, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Claritas

Hello, Youreallycan. You have new messages at WP:AN.
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Nyttend (talk) 12:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Cousens pic

Hey YRC. I actually placed the pic below the lead text; it was just the way the page formatted that put it above the fold. Are you okay if I put it back but at the bottom of the page? Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 11:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I saw you did that. The move to the lede was done by User:Tom Reedy on the 4th April in this diff - Although I would like to see the picture really content specific, as you know my primary objection is the lede, so , yes I am ok with that. - thanks for coming to discuss - regards Youreallycan 14:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't have a talk page

Buh wai? Mrlittleirish 15:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Dude - you are posting on it, thanks for the LOL - Youreallycan 15:06, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Damn, I meant userpage. I honestly did. facepalm Mrlittleirish 15:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

No worries dude - yes, I have no userpage - I don't really need one - its a less is more to vandalize situation - best regards - Youreallycan 15:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I always say, if they get your userpage, you're doing something right. Mrlittleirish 15:15, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Indeedy. - thank you for bringing a little brightness into my afternoon - Youreallycan 15:16, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Richard F. Cebull

Please see WP:NPA. You don't get to use the talk page to slander other editors. If you have complaints about other editors, please word them in a civil manner and/or bring them to the appropriate noticeboard. If you persist in reinserting personal attacks on that talk page, you will be blocked. Gamaliel (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I just read the notice on the top of this page. You have done a great deal of hard work on this project but you also have a long history of overreacting and lashing out in an uncivil manner. I know you are a reasonable person when you are doing the former, and that's the person I'd prefer to deal with. If you are willing to be reasonable, I suggest we both take the rest of the day off from the article and revisit this when tempers have cooled. Gamaliel (talk) 21:26, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it looks like you are determined to be unreasonable. I've blocked you for an hour so you can reconsider your decision to keep this uncivil. In that time I won't edit the article either. I don't understand why you think namecalling and accusations are appropriate behavior. Gamaliel (talk) 21:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• - I will open an arbitration emergency case / motion requesting removal of your advanced permissions - Youreallycan 21:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:INVOLVED ADMIN BLOCK

{{Help}}

I have been blocked by an admin I was in discussion and dispute with in clear violation of wp:involved - Youreallycan 21:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The block is only for an hour. But if you can show me a diff or two, should I raise the issue at ANI or some other appropriate page? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

..unblock is coming...hold on.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 21:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I will request removal of the users advanced permissions for violation of WP:INVOLVED at Wikipedia:RFAR/G#Exceptions - when I am unblocked - thanks - Youreallycan 21:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Several editors have convinced me to unblock you. I do ask that you don't see this as an endorsement of your behavior and I hope you can remain civil during your further interactions with other editors on that page. Gamaliel (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

User has not unblocked correcttly - still blocked

Still blocked - Youreallycan 22:01, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Hang on, must be an autoblock.--v/r - TP 22:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Try now.--v/r - TP 22:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Resolved - thank you - Youreallycan 22:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	I was expecting to see a whole mess all over the place regarding your recent block/unblock. That you can recognise it was an error of judgement and walk away to do more important things shows a great maturity. I'm very impressed. WormTT · (talk) 22:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

↑ What he said. 28bytes (talk) 22:40, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very very much guys - when I get supportive comments from respected users like yourselves I know I am going on the right direction - Regards - Youreallycan 22:46, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Mais oui!

• - Rude edit summary - desist now

If I was you I'd be very, very, very careful indeed about using misleading and provocative edit summaries. You have an utterly appalling record of rudeness. You can also read WP:HOUND, and remove my Talk page from your Watchlist.--Mais oui! (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Hm - are you alright ? - FYI I have TP's talkpage on my watchlist not yours - My edit summary was totally correct, (Undid revision by Mais oui! - user appears to be replacing vandalism) - you replaced vandalism. As for your worthless threats - and totally unsupportable by diffs claim of hounding - LOL! Youreallycan 19:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Your Comment

Hi YRC, Thanks for your participation on the Martin Hosking issue at BLPN and the MH talk page. I've left you a question at MH talk. Can you take a look when you have time? Thanks.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 13:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Cheers! -- — Keithbob • Talk • 14:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Joyce Banda

There's an editor at that article, who's really beginning to 'piss' me off. He refuses to accept the apparent consensus for inclusion of 4th in the infobox -- GRRRRRR. GoodDay (talk) 23:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL - hang in there GoodDay. I get like you feel all the time here lately - often I can't be bothered to even explain my policy position as it just falls on deaf partisan POV ears. Sometimes I make my edit and then immediately remove it from my watchlist for a week or two so as to avoid the bother. You can lead a horse to water but you can;t make it drink, - Youreallycan 10:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

He's an arrogant little bleep, isn't he? giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 18:49, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Ha ha - yes indeed - beep beep , beep beep ... beeping beeper...beep beep - Lol

you've got mail

{{you've got mail}} — goethean ॐ 18:09, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Crikey - I can't imagine what you could want to talk to me in private about .. . Youreallycan 18:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

WQA

I really have trouble reading your comment below mine the way you say you intended it, but I am willing to accept it as true because, based on your follow-up comments, it wouldn't be like you to "attack" anyone and then insist it wasn't an attack. More likely is you'd stand behind your original comments or apologize, whichever you thought was right. I really hate the discussion we're having on WQA and would like now to remove our back-and-forth starting with my request to strike, but I can't do that without your permission.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I really prefer it to stay as a reminder of the end of your good faith in regards to me. - Youreallycan 19:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Truscott

FYI, This one is back. Looking back at the article, this edit war has been going on since at least April 2011.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 21:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Von Restorff (talk) 19:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Another note

If another (presumably) male referred to me as "darling" or whatever, I would take that as tacit approval to invoke any "homophobic" term of choice back at him. (I'm guessing you've got more class than I do, in that regard.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Well said Bugs. It was clearly a baiting comment that happily I have more class than to reply to - regards - Youreallycan 22:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I suppose I should refrain from bringing this up at the admin board? (As a vague comparison, I recall when the user "Pigs on the Wing" was being called "Pigs" and admins were threatening a block over it - and that's his user ID. This is a much easier case... If you'r running short on things to argue about. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:33, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Hm - I am actually attempting to stay out of trouble - so please don't bring it to the admin board - I am in the process of developing a case against the User:Nomoskedasticity - he is according to his userpage and comments - a highly educated working university professor - calling me darling ? - I have attempted many times to get a discussion related solution or voluntary topic ban, sadly without success - Youreallycan 22:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I see that the general issue (not this specific item) has already been covered at ANI, so I'll stay away from it and not jeopardize your case-build. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

AN/I

I've closed this – I suspect if I hadn't someone would have ended up blocking you for the constant and needless escalation of minor issues. You really need to try to de-esclate these situations you find yourself in; ending up at AN/I – either as the initiator or the subject – means that something has gone very wrong, and you end up at AN/I waaaay too often. Did you read SandyGeorgia's comment in that thread? It was really quite apt; I hope you will take her advice. 28bytes (talk) 15:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I will have a read and take on board any such advice - Youreallycan 15:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. 28bytes (talk) 15:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Good advice from you, mucho appreciation for closing that thread - I was on a mini keyboard last night and a new interface for me - I missed a few edits that would have reduced the issue if I had seen them. I am sick and tired of the level of discussion here - I am at a point of almost being unable to contribute - anyway - I haven't read the thread yet but I will today - best regards - Youreallycan 15:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Jon Driver

You are right, we are linking to a copyvio. I have the URL to the actual obit at the Times: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/obituaries/article3271495.ece , but it is behind a paywall. The cite is fine without the link IMO (it was useful in the debate as to whether there was sufficient information to list the cause of death. Do you think we need another obit that mentions that and can be linked to like http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Chronic-pain-led-scientist-Jon-Driver-jump-death/story-15746309-detail/story.html ?Naraht (talk) 16:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Naraht - thats (hisishullandeastriding.co.uk) a beneficial link imo - so yes - please add it - or I will add it later - I think the paywall link is worth adding as well - regards - Youreallycan 16:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Pending changes

• - I apologize if I mischaracterized your position

I apologize if I mischaracterized your position regarding "defamatory" but true content. Allens (talk | contribs) 19:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi - no, no problem at all, thanks for that - all in good faith - best regards - Youreallycan 20:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

User:N419BH

N419BH (talk · contribs)

• - I am no sock

Sir, please be very careful throwing around socking accusations. I have over 8,000 contribs, two good articles, and am working on a third. I used to contribute at ANI somewhat regularly before being drawn away from Wikipedia by real life. I actually think I have your old talk page on my watchlist. My involvement in the thread was to try and help resolve it, but it is clear feelings have been hurt and certain individuals are more interested in complaining than in achieving any actual resolution. N419BH 18:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Please don't call me sir, my username is plenty. Others have said it about you and you definitely get my spidy senses tingling as well. Youreallycan 18:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Well if anyone wants to checkuser me they are welcome to do so. I have nothing to hide. N419BH 23:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Dear Youreallycan, thank you for the kindness that you've shown towards me today. I do not believe that we've ever interacted on Wikipedia before but nevertheless, you stood up for me today. I really appreciate this act of charity and hope that God will bless you and your family in abundance. The image in this barnstar has a smile in it, which you brought to my face today. I hope that this barnstar will do the same to you. Your new friend, AnupamTalk 04:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wow - It was the least I could do for a valuable contributor such as yourself - thank you so much Anupam. - Youreallycan 18:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

BLP Q

Hi YRC, we've never worked together as far as I know but I know your reputation of understanding BLP policy well. I admittedly am not as well versed as I should be and I would appreciate your input here if you have a chance. Thanks! SÆdon^talk 05:49, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi User:Saedon - that article is a reflection of all that is disgusting about this en wikipedia project. Policy and guidelines are not enforceable in the face of determined and numerous partisans. Good faith users attempting to apply policy in such situations are simply wasting their time and worse than that, they realize the worthlessness of trying and give up/leave.Youreallycan 19:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

No longer having Santorum to kick around, I guess they've turned their attention to Romney. This kind of garbage serves only to further harm wikipedia's already-shaky reputation. I never go to conservapedia, but I suspect even they don't sink so low as to level obnoxious personal attacks at Obama. I recall the constant edit-wars of 2008 and 2009 all too well. They ought to put all active politicians' articles on long-term probation during and after election years. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:37, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bugs - yes it a WP:Shame - as a neutral uk editor only focused on policy - I know exactly who all the partisan npov violating users are and I would solve the issue by simply topic banning them all as and when they exposed themselves - I could list them all here now - they are on both sides of the political spectrum and topic banning around the dozen of the worst violators would resolve much of the issues. Youreallycan 15:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

"Exposing themselves." Well-stated. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

OTRS volunteer?

You have the template at the top of your talk page but I'm just wondering, are you actually an OTRS volunteer? Rjd0060 (talk) 01:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes - Can I help you with something concerning OTRS issues? - Youreallycan 15:25, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I only asked because I didn't recognize your username. But it would appear your OTRS account was closed. Please consider removing the tag, to avoid confusing others. Rjd0060 (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Why has my account been closed, do you know? Can you link me to the details ? - Youreallycan 20:16, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure - might have been something as simple as inactivity. Just ask one of the OTRS admins. Rjd0060 (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Right - thanks - Youreallycan 20:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you available?

Please help. See User talk:George Ho/Mentorship discussions#Either administrators or rules?. --George Ho (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi George = Yes I am around if you have a dispute I suggest you take advice and back off from any dispute ... the wheels will not drop off .... Youreallycan 21:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox

There is a Straw Poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 01:43, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

1K

Hey, I know this isn't actually a new milestone for you, but I just thought you might be interested to know you just passed 1,000 mainspace edits with the new account. Cheers, Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 00:07, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, thanks for the note - 1000 attempts to improve the project space is a start - thanks - Youreallycan 17:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Funniest thing I've ever read on AN

Priceless. I had to read it 3 times to be sure I was reading it right! It sounds like a scene from Rabbit Seasoning. Toddst1 (talk) 21:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

This one had me rolling around, Duck! Rabbit, Duck! - I see what you mean - Youreallycan 21:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

BLP question

Following on from War criminals in Canada, I took a look at Vladimir Katriuk. Is the page a BLP violation? It does have sources, so I can see the argue in favour of keeping it, but it also seems a bit tenuous. I've left a comment on talk, so any input would be appreciated. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:43, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi SV thanks for commenting at War criminals in Canada - the content that created that article was in Katriuk's biography until I removed it - diff - The Vladimir Katriuk article was a lot worse when I first saw it - its still awful with limited sourcing - the claims are all investigative from a single unverified source - I doubt if much will be able ot be done with the weakness of policy and guidelines - I will look at the talkpage. - Youreallycan 15:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Dave Winer

Knock it off. You are the one violating the three edit rule. I have shown that the page was not correct.--Irelan12 (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC) Do you even understand what you are saying? I have shown that I took out untrue information. You edited it to reflect the untruths, but you have not shown anything new that makes it true.--Irelan12 (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I added a citation to replace a dead link to support content you continued to remove - diff - User:Irelan12 was blocked for 48 hours for edit warring - Youreallycan 20:01, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I've dragged this mess to WP:ANI. Feel free to come join the party. —Tom Morris (talk) 22:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Dear User:Youreallycan, I am being evaluated here and since you recently commented on a case regarding me, I would really appreciate your input. Your friend, Anupam^Talk 19:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Youreallycan. You have new messages at Jayjg's talk page.
Message added 23:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Jayjg ^(talk) 23:07, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Lee Jasper

My citation was from "The Guardian" which is not a tabloid. The Lee Jasper piece reads like a P.R hand out from Lee Jasper and makes no mention of the serious issues that surrounded his sacking. Either "Wikipedia" is a source of knowledge or it is a chalkboard for the partizan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CiaronGoggins (talk • contribs) 14:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

NPOV Section headers

Your addition of the question mark was effectively refactoring the comment of another editor to fit your own point of view. If you have a comment to make about it, do it in the proper place at the bottom of the thread. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC) Your comments on my talk page were also grossly uncivil and inappropriate. (struck this as its just false - Youreallycan 19:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC) ) Please consider yourself univited there in the future. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 19:18, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

NPOV headers are required by guidelines - headers do not belong to anyone - as for your other allegations - present some diffs or retract them - or I will myself Youreallycan 19:35, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Dominus Vobisdu, please understand that User:Youreallycan was simply trying to neutrally word the heading. If one creates a heading and labels it is fact, despite it being opinion, it has the potential to bias the observer. I would appreciate if you could please revert to the version of User:Youreallycan, who acted in good faith when making the change. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 19:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:Archive talkpage

Dear User:Youreallycan, I personally prefer keeping all of my threads on one page. Let me know if this is problematic, however and I'd be glad to accommodate! :)

When I posted there earlier your talk page was really slow to load - and loading such a large page is a problem to users on a pay as you go download tariff . . its your choice - it is "encouraged" but you don't "have to" - let me know if you want help to do it - Many many thanks for the shiny star - please don't let me down (no pressure there then) the close was "tight" and in response to your clean block log and positive contributions - the same reasons I gave you some support - if you return to such a report it will likely not go so well - edit in another area for a couple of months at least - take it easy - Om Shanti - Youreallycan 04:50, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

		All Around Amazing Barnstar
		Dear Youreallycan, thank you for writing about the positive aspects of my contributions before the community; it means so much to me that words cannot describe. I am amazed that in recently meeting you, you have devoted so much of your time to helping me. This barnstar is titled the The All-Around Amazing Barnstar and you deserve it because you are an amazing person. Your friend, AnupamTalk 16:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Honorable mention

You have an honorable mention here. JN466 21:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow - cool one - thanks Jayen - If I deserve an honorable mention you deserve a fistful of shiny things - and a tee shirt - I know you are busy but you would make a good administrator - Youreallycan 04:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Nikolic

Hmmm. I'm not going to revert it, but I'm not comfortable with your edit. Yes, I agree that the section gives "undue coverage", but given that: 1) The guy wants to stand for political office; 2) It has a supporting reference from a reliable source; and 3) His response demonstrates a complete lack of political skill; I don't think complete deletion is a good response. Your thoughts? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Double "Hmmm." I've just discovered that there's a thread on the Nikolic article's talk page. I'll copy the above there. Perhaps you may wish to reply there? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Am not familiar with the "Register"

Would you mind explaining why you don't think the Register is a RS? — Rickyrab. ^{Yada yada yada} 04:44, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Youreallycan reported by User:Pdfpdf (Result: ) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

• You are currently blocked for 72 hours for edit-warring, and the talkpage sniping (as opposed to actual discussion) didn't really help your cause either. There's no reason to be reverting some ridiculous number of times, and you should know better. Please take the time off to reflect on this. Moreschi (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

If I have protected a living person from biased content publication through en wikipedia then I am prepared to suffer such administrative action - as a NPOV contributor it is my duty to work towards neutral content and I am proud of my contributions in this regard and when I am unblocked I will continue to edit responsibly in the same way.- Youreallycan 19:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, yes. "Work towards" I approve of, "edit war towards" I do not. And I do not think that any BLP violations that may have been committed here were so egregious that you could not simply have talked it over, posted on BLP/N, solicited wider opinions, and worked towards general consensus - rather than mindlessly edit-war, which you did. Please understand: this is absolutely not acceptable conduct, and if you do this again, BLP article or no, I will block you again, probably for a lengthy period of time. We have to maintain some degree of collegial editing here, otherwise the project simply does not function at all. Moreschi (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

There are already two reports at the BLPN - wider opinion is a dream - I reported myself at ANI in a desperate attempt to attract NPOV comments and I got you - I will defend living people from attack and partisans no matter how long you threaten to block me - If you block me I will create another account and defend living people with that account, that is what I do.Youreallycan

Whatever you do, don't do socking. We need your BLP work here. 72 hours is a relatively short time. If you get caught socking, there's a good probability they'll work on banning you. Don't get into that situation, please. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

However they attempt to restrict me I will still defend living people against this project - When this account is banned I will create other accounts and use them to defend living people under attack from partisan COI contributors using en wikipedia to publish attack content. Youreallycan 19:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll just echo BB and say that your work is too valuable for you to get dragged into edit wars and socking. The project would be much better off if you just took the short break and returned with just a touch less combativeness. aprock (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

YRC please just take a break -- we need you here for the long term. There are crappy BLP violating articles all over Wikipedia -- the cost of losing you over POV junk in an Australian politician's article just isn't worth it. Nobody Ent 20:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

"there are crappy BLP violating articles all over Wikipedia" - Yes there are , I get blocked for attempting to deal with that reality - Its not me being blocked that is important but the fact that there are crappy BLP violating articles all over Wikipedia - Youreallycan 21:01, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

You can't fix all the BLP nonesense in Wikipedia any more than I can fix all the incivility. You just do what you can and try to make it a little better. If WP becomes crap because it's just too hard to deal with the POV pushers it's Jimbo and Sue Gardner's problem not ours. Nobody Ent 21:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if you realize how thoroughly discouraging such a comment is. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I hesitate to say anything here, but how about looking at the BLP issue in a different way. For the sake of argument let's assume there are lots of BLP-violating articles. If one is trying to fix one of those articles and runs up against extraordinary difficulties, instead of getting carried away, how about simply letting go and moving on to the next one? After all, the idea is there's lots out there, so wouldn't it be better to fix those that one can rather than taking a stand on one and being tossed out on one's ear?--Bbb23 (talk) 22:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring is never the way to deal with these situations. Use the proper channels. Seek page protection for content disputes, seek AIV for POV pushing and BLP issues, ANW for edit warring, ect ect. Get a third opinion, dispute resolution, Arbcom sanctions if possible. But edit warring isn't the way. You've succeeded in bringing a whole lot of attention to an detail about a living person that may not be true and shouldn't have this kind of attention. Handling it the right way would've been quieter and done the living person a better favor.--v/r - TP 00:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Rob, you get a couple of days enforced rest. I hope the weather is nice where you're at; I'm toasting you and your heart with a nice Chimay tripel. All the best, Drmies (talk) 00:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Reading through the article in question, I like your intent if not perhaps your Divine Wind implementation. The best way to deal with people who are gratified by getting "dirt" into other people's biographies and who keep trying to twist the wording to maximise the grubbiness is to treat them as what they are...addicts. They are generally people with a sense of failure about their own lives who want to disparage others who have dared to achieve a lot, and they get addicted to the feeling of superiority that comes with the disparagement. (There is apparently also a bunch of chemicals in the adrenal group that play a role, but that is too much information.) Important thing is, recovering addicts try everyone's patience but there is no other way. Please keep pushing, follow the rules and try to keep a cool head. I intend to do the same thing, myself. Rumiton (talk) 10:27, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Blocked for 72 hours

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

He that fights and runs away, May turn and fight another day; But he that is in battle slain, Will never rise to fight again.

— Tacitus

Nobody Ent 21:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Youreallycan, you don't know me, though I vaguely recall the user ID Off2RioRob from somewhere, maybe years ago, not negatively, but I am commenting to support you and to tell you this block is no black mark on your editor account or you. "Somewhat lame edit warring" as the basis for a no-warn block? Who is this admin kidding? I never figured I'd learn about, or need to learn about, or want to learn about, Andrew Nikolić in my life, but I did so enough to realize that that was a responsible stand for you to take. Colton Cosmic (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

YRC, is the BLP problem in that article under control now? Should I take a look? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 04:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It seems reason is gaining the upper hand there. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 06:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see this happen. User:Youreallycan is a noble editor and seeks to do the right thing here on Wikipedia. I wish I would have logged in earlier to see this while it was happening so I could have offered my comments. With the recent events in my situation, I've been trying not to log in as much anymore. User:Youreallycan, perhaps you could try an unblock request. I am sure that if you are sincere in your words, they'll give it to you. Your friend, Anupam^Talk 04:52, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Youreallycan (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Over a day of restriction and calming down and I have accepted Dennis as a mentor and volunteered to a 1RR editing restriction and stated I will not edit the article that caused the dispute which would appear to remove any ongoing threat to the project so I request unblocking please.Youreallycan 05:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Accept reason:

If you're aware of what you did and plan to avoid it in the future then there's no need for this block to stand. Good luck. — foxj 05:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

• - Thank you very much Foxj - Best regards - Youreallycan 05:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The BLP Barnstar
		For your big heart. And for what it's worth, last I looked the little bit of kindness you added to that BLP article was back in it. JN466 03:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

To go with your tea

	Some biscotti to go with your tea
	Hang in there YRC – Lionel (talk) 08:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks much for the supportive comment Lionelt - Youreallycan 06:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks an comment

Thanks to all for the encouragement and advice, Just to claryfy I am not socking and have no intention of doing so in future , I was upset and venting when I said that, I would like to be unblocked and am happy to avoid the article. perhaps I should just avoid editing all article as it just gets me blocked and its pretty thankless task attempting to create npov content Youreallycan 12:45, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• A promise not to sock is good enough for me, administrators. GoodDay (talk) 12:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• I would hate to lose your expertise and excellent work in those areas. Rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater, I would rather see you refine the way you deal with disputes, something I am confident you are capable of and will increase your efficiency and effectiveness to boot. While I know a fraction of what you do when it comes to BLP, I have learned a few things about dealing with disputes and would offer my time to help you, if you so choose. As I have already been watching your actions at BLPN and learning from them, perhaps this could be a win/win situation for us both. To draw a comparison, I was told at my RfC that I needed mentoring for CSD work. I'm doing it [1] even though I could have ignored the requests. (I am a man of my word, so ignoring it wasn't an option.) I would extend an offer to assist you in the same way using similar methods if you would like, with the goal of helping you be more effective here and building on an already impressive set of skills. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 12:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thats a nice offer Dennis, one I would be happy to accept if you csn help me to avoid the actions that are causing me to keep getting blocked/stop getting blocked , I will send you a free t shirt or something of equal value of your choice. I am also considering giving in and vanishing, but I will think on that, Youreallycan 13:03, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• YRC, I strongly suggest that you take up Dennis Brown's offer. You may recall that I suggested something similar in discussions last December and I was disappointed then that nobody seemed to have taken up the offer. I also suggest that you observe and publicly state that you're observing a voluntary 1RR (i.e. no more than one revert per article per day), and that if you see the need for more than one revert to take place you will ask someone else to do it. If you like, you can leave a message on my talk page, and I'd be happy to look at an issue for you. I think it would be unfortunate to lose you, as you do good work, but you really do need to stop getting blocked for dumb reasons. You're currently averaging a block a month. That's likely to result in an arbitration case unless you get this sorted. Prioryman (talk) 13:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
• I hope you do consider it. I've seen you enough to know that you are an asset here. At one time, many others would have considered me to be less than civil in some circumstances. By watching people like DGG and others, I have learned to be more effective and generally happier here. If I can do it, you can do it. The only major error I've seen you make was opposing me at my RfA a couple of weeks ago ;) I sincerely do not want to lose your participation here, and I know a great many people feel the exact same way. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 13:16, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that, since your rfa I have been really impressed with you as an Admin and happily you have proved me wrong. - Youreallycan 13:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

As per Prioryman I will also agree to voluntarly add and follow a one revert restriction for say, three months .. and see how that goes I was on one once for six weeks and it helped me a lot - I can always ask somone, Dennis to look at a dispute for me if required. Youreallycan 13:49, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• Excellent. I am always willing to look at a dispute, and preferably before it gets near 3RR territory. Many other admins are as well. This is the same exact method I use even now, after a second revert, I put another pair of eyes on the situation. Often, that alone is enough to get someone to review their actions, particularly when that second pair of eyes takes the time to put a hand written note on their talk page. This is exactly part of the "methods" I would want to work with you on, a guideline created by you to help you stay focused and make your efforts more consistent. I have suggested a closing of the ANI, btw, but others are still free to disagree and offer other solutions, so we will see. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 14:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• To clarify, - I do outright accept your offer to work with me/be my mentor to improve the reasons with my contributions that causing me to keep getting blocked - Youreallycan 15:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

• Good, we can discuss details a little later, after more dust settles. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 15:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
• Thanks for your agreement to the mentoring and the voluntary 1RR. It's very encouraging that you're taking a positive approach. I would remind you, though, that this is very much the last chance saloon and further problems are highly likely to see you ending up in arbitration. I think we'd all prefer to avoid that, so let's see what we can do to get this resolved. Please do let me know if you run into difficulties again with an article - I'd be happy to advise or lend a hand as needed. Prioryman (talk) 17:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I will do , I will come to you for assessment of situations and advice if Dennis is not around. - Youreallycan 05:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

• When you are ready, I have some ideas based upon my own CSD mentoring. If you would like, I suggest creating a subpage off of this talk page, then I can provide a simple structure that I think will be helpful. I will then watch it, and we can simply bounce back and forth as time allows. I can explain more when and if you agree to this idea. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 18:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes Dennis a subpage for that is acceptable to me - Youreallycan 05:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Youreallycan/YRC2.0. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 15:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Dennis - looks interesting - your assistance with this is really appreciated - I am really busy in real life this week and will only be logging in occasionally - I will give you feedback as and when I am able - best regards - Youreallycan 15:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm hopeful we can work this into a comprehensive program to deal with the real issues and prevent a future RfC/U or block. From my own experience I can tell you that learning to step back emotionally made a tremendous difference in both the quality of my contributions, and my overall happiness here. But it takes rethinking things from the ground up. Don't let the size of my "plan" overwhelm you, it isn't about making you follow my rules, it is about getting you to develop your own code to work by, and sticking to it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 17:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

To keep you company during your block.

Iloveandrea (talk) 13:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Aw - lol - ok thanks - Youreallycan 13:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Still autoblocked

Still autoblocked - Youreallycan 05:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

It's obvious that Foxj needs to be sent back to the admin reeducation camps . Unautoblocked. T. Canens (talk) 06:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Autoblock seems to be an issue that catches out many - anyway no problem - thanks for clearing it - Youreallycan 06:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. — foxj 06:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I see you got sprung, Rob--good. Welcome back. Drmies (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, a good result all round I think - thank you for the welcome Drmies - regards - Youreallycan 04:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy notice

Hi YRC. Just letting you know you were mentioned during a blast-from-the-past discussion at DRN. No obligation to participate express or implied. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification Δρ.Κ - I agree totally with your position/interpretation of policy/the situation, but at this time am unable to comment in the dispute. - Youreallycan 04:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)