Talk:David Mayer de Rothschild

Removal of information

I would like to add that I posted the Alex Jones link and it was removed right away, at least as quick as the next day. It is not fair to use censorship on Wikipedia as Primerica is doing. They called me and said to come interview with Citigroup and it turned out to be a brainwash pyramid scheme. The same is happening here. It is a POV that a link to this interview/debate should not be posted on Wiki. Removal of this, I strongly feel, is censorship. -friend

To be quite frank, it was not a notable argument, and it was simply a slip up. We don't have Donald Rumsfeld speech where he says "shot down" one of the flights on 9/11, or any of the many GWB slip ups are not on his article, either. Kevin (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that the Criticism was not appropriately placed, but it should be moved to its own section in the article instead of being deleted. -Trevc63 22:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea why someone removed the information regarding Mr Rothschild's view on global carbon taxation, but I would urge that person to leave the article intact. - This is not speculation - it was Mr Rothschild on the radio live, giving his opinion. - And is relevant to this tiny biography of his.

— Having never heard of this person and having arrived at the article by chance, I would say that the language of that section is hardly neutral. Use of the phrase "admit to" (implying that he was exposed in some way) followed by a statement in which he made an evident mistake are ways to lead the reader to an unfavorable conclusion about this person. By the way, saying that "X says A, and X also says B, but B is false, then A must be false too" is, of course, fallacious reasoning. That section needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view. Tinchoman 05:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Alex Jones Link

To the person below who requests a "real" interview well it depends on what you mean by 'real' I suspect that by real, you mean an interview with a one sided view of the discussed subject which in this case would be global warming and the carbon tax.

To call Mr Jones interview invalid is jocular, he is national talk show host broadcast on many popular radio stations. If someone disagrees with his view on carbon taxing that is fair, but to degrade this interview as invalid simply based on the fact that he does not agree with Mr Rothschild is a POV.

As for population control for one to deem this an 'invalid' and 'ridiculous' theory that individual would need to live in space. Population control is a real study and based in reality and documented facts. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control Orasis 17:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC) --

Who deleted the Alex Jones link with David de Rothschild?

That debate is 100% relevant to this page. Stop censoring information. This isn't Nazi Germany.

-- Nazi Germany huh... :P I suggest it be renamed, to describe it as an "interview" would be fallacious. It mostly consisted of Alex Jones ranting about completely unrelated things (such as "genetically engineered chimera" and "population control"), interspersed by brief moments of Rothschild trying (very politely, I might add) to stay on message. It sounds like this was an "ambush" interview, at best, as Rothschild seemed surprised at Jones' personal ire for him. It's interesting you mentioned Nazi Germany - in the 'interview', it seemed Alex hated this man so much he could barely tolerate the idea of even letting him speak. I found Rothschild to be eloquent, articulate and very patient. It actually was a very foolish idea of Jones to let him on the show - because Rothschild exposed Jones as the loose screw that he obviously is. So much repressed anger. Suggest someone finds some other, "real" interviews with Rothschild and puts them on this page.

-- yes, Rothschild was "eloquent, articulate and very patient". he's comment "bring me some food" in the end of the discussion proves this very well. whatever, the link is relevant and stays.

-- Wow. You focused on the 1% of the conversation in which he wasn't eloquent to further your point. Sounds a lot like Alex Jones :) I don't believe he was unaware of what he was saying - it just proves he considered the entire conversation absurd and the only way to silence that nutcase was to play into his delusions that this poor man was somehow at the helm of a "neo feudal" empire. If someone accused me of being at the heart of a neo-feudal empire, and didn't listen to any rational arguments? Well, yes, I think I would ask them to "bring me some food" too - it's called humor - a trait that AJ was completely lacking throughout the duration of that debate on the phone, he was so blinded by his hatred. Anyway. Back on topic - I changed the link to say "Debate" and "conversation", rather than "interview". I think to call it an interview deludes the reader into thinking that Rothschild was speaking to an actual journalist, asking questions, rather than browbeating their guest.

• Please sign posts, folks. I'm sure the Jones link will be scrubbed. That said, if you're looking for humor, I'd say it was hilarious when Rothschild claimed Jupiter was closer to the sun than earth. It was also hilarious when Jones said "Take me lord Rothschild, take me!" in immitation of a woman being impressed at Rothschilds self-styled role of "adventurer". Also, Jones never accused David Mayer de Rothschild personally of being the head of a neo-feudal empire, he did however infer that his family was involved with such. Rothschild repeatedly accused Jones of being an oil baron, which is absurd and ironic considering the Rothschild investments in big oil. Anyway, if we're to believe David de Rothschild's book, then the solution to global warming is to wear sweaters, ride in electric geo metros packed like clown cars, and build straw houses. If anyone can show me a Rothschild (of the actual European banking line) that doesn't live in a castle and instead lives in a straw house, I will actually waste money on this chap's silly, insulting book. I wonder how many beautiful trees are now dead because David de Rothschild wanted to publish this book. As for Rothschild's demeanor, of course he was somewhat calm, it's part of the training. The best liars are always calm because they have gone to schools where that selling point technique is taught. It's called public relations, and it only works on dullards in my opinion.

hyper_individualist@yahoo.com --76.83.249.234 11:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Additionally, can anyone find actual documentation of Rothschild travelling across Antarctica? So far, I've turned up a paltry two photos. If I were going to travel across Antarctica, I'd have filmed the entire thing and would have had thousands of photos taken. I'm not suggesting he wasn't in Antarctica or that he didn't actually travel across, but was there a documentary or something?

--76.83.249.234 11:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

"hyper_individualist" you've clearly demonstrated your incapacity to contribute to this article in any rational, unbiased way. To suggest that somebody being polite and rational is "part of the training" is hilarious - as if somehow sane, rational dialogue is subhuman or unacceptable. But just to prove you wrong - go f*ck yourself. This notion that if somebody is championing sustainability causes that they somehow must live in a grass hut and not use any resources is a ridiculous and tired tactic of the far right and people with an agenda linked to polluting industries. Rothschild's use of the term "oil guy" in the context of this interview was quite obviously not an accusation (though it should be noted that at no stage did Alex Jones deny that he had oil shares), rather he was baiting Jones for a response - and it worked - Jones' response was that of an insane, ranting teenage boy. And furthermore, if it's alright for Alex Jones to claim that a perfectly calm and quiet guest (who by all indications was a victim of ambush journalism in this instance, having come on to promote his book rather than cop a serve from Jones) is part of a vast global conspiracy to enslave the people and eliminate 2/3'ds of the world's population, I think he's perfectly within his rights to throw around a few unsubstantiated allegations of his own, don't you? If Jones insists on attacking his guests' credibility on completely fallacious and fantastical grounds, I think they're well within their rights to return the favor. Shall we start with Jones' constant carping that the mainstream press are trying to promote a culture of fear among the masses? Every single article on PrisonPlanet or InfoWars warns of all sorts of incredible doomsday scenarios - the only difference is they claim they will be brought about by the "NWO" - all the while promoting all sorts of "doomsday" survival schwag, water purifiers and "Live forever!" or "Miracle Cancer Cure!" stuff on his site. Conflict of interest? Conflict of interest? Alex Jones is a smart guy. However, his cult-like following is an alarming and frightening trend. It's incredible how the very tactics Alex Jones accuses the mainstream media of are not even near off limits in his own diatribes. You mention the mistakes that Rothschild made regarding planetary distances. It's amazing how that entire interview to Jones was boiled down to Rothschild's ONE malaprop, all the while completely ignoring all of the other salient points in his interview (of which there were vastly more). Do you realise how long we would be here if the same logic were applied to Alex Jones' propaganda? - 220.157.71.165

Being 'A Rothschild'

I think it may be worth adding a section devoted to David Mayer's acknowledgment of and position on being a Rothschild. Particularly, his acknowledgment of the criticism that comes along with being a Rothschild and an environmentalist. I'm new to Wikipedia editing, but perhaps this article Outside Magazine could be used as a reference / starting point. Particularly this quote:

"Some people will always make the assumption ‘There's a rich guy, a Rothschild; he paid a guide, the world's fucked, and who cares?' " he says. "But I could sit there and do nothing or use my name and do something."

--Trevc63 23:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there should be something about that and i think it would improve the article. IamMcLovin 23:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, cool, I'll write up a draft when I get the chance and perhaps you could look over it. --Trevc63 14:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'll look forward to reading it! IamMcLovin 22:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Criticism

You keep deleting this section saying that I need to provide sources!? I provide 5 sources with documented facts.

David Rothschild made a complete fool out of himself telling radio host Alex Jones on July 6th 2007 that the planets of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are closer to the Sun than planet Earth. Al Gore together with Rothschild have also been criticised for using the real environmental problems of Earth to promote a global carbon tax and a one-child policy (and in a larger context: a one world government) as a solution for their orchestrated man-made global warming problem

Screwed-n-chopped —Preceding comment was added at 01:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop drinking the cool-aid, dude. Kevin (talk) 23:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Maybe you should try it. Your candidate's "spiritual mentor" is a Jew-hating, faux-"Christian" Black supremacist. --Hereward77 (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

He isn't the candidate, is he? Kevin (talk) 22:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

People and the friends they keep? Ron Paul is God's test for America, and America will be punished for its wilful ignorance. --Hereward77 (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

May I remind you that Wikipedia is not a forum. I feel compelled to add, against my better judgement, that I'm rather baffled that you can derive such a belief. Do you sincerely believe an "omnipotent entity" would conceive of aligning itself with a nation, group or individual? Some of the greatest atrocities and injustices have been enabled by people exclaiming: "trust me, this is what god demands, this is what god wants". No rational human being should countenance such arguments. SoLando (Talk) 20:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)