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== With all due respect... == |
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Nineteen Nightmares - Far be it for me to lecture you, but as one of the first editors to establish contact with you here at Wikipedia, I feel I need to stick my oar in. I've just come across the message you left at [[User talk:JNW]]'s and I'd like to point out that, among other things, personal attacks like that are not only unnecessary and unacceptable but also counter-productive. You seem to have taken the ''VEM'' article to heart which, given the amount of time you've spent on it, is understandable, but don't forget that Wikipedia is a collaborative exercise, and if a majority of editors visiting the article consider it non-notable - or, as the case may be, lacking verifiable references - that's the way it goes. |
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JNW did in fact point out at some stage that if the article were to end up being deleted, there was no reason why you couldn't start it again, incorporating editors' recommendations and solving the "problems" which led to it being deleted first time round. Attacking editors really isn't the way to ensure future support for articles that you may want to start. You may not be aware of it, but the article could quite easily have had a "[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy delete]]" tag slapped on it at the outset - something I spend a large part of my time here doing - but JNW stated that he reckoned that it was well-written enough to give you a chance to develop it further. Which you have, but you obviously found it hard to fix according to the guidelines established here. As I mentioned elsewhere, you'd be surprised at the amount of new material appearing on Google every day and that crucial reference may turn up. |
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As I mentioned before, far be it etc. but why don't you wander around Wikipedia for a few days and tinker with articles on other topics that interest you and get to know the ropes - you've already had a crash course - and although you are bound to come across the odd article that is less worthy of inclusion here than the VEM, check out its strong points (sure to have that verifiable reference in there) and/or correct the many typos and syntax stuff that crops up all over the place. Another alternative, of course is to do what I've done a couple of times: take a short [[Wikipedia:Wikibreak]]. Charges up the batteries a treat! And we're sure to meet up at some article sometime. Please think about it, and maybe drop JNW a line... --[[User:Technopat|Technopat]] ([[User talk:Technopat|talk]]) 23:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC) |
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::Thanks again, Technopat. I have nothing against criticism. I think everyone realizes what I was up against, but didn't even know it. It still feels personal with the above mentioned user, but I've improved the article with something like ten references and four external links. He doesn't say a word. And it is obvious he and "Modernist" are buddies of some sort and are jumping in on this together because neither one of them is listening to a thing. I'm done arguing anything with users on this site anymore. I'll put in some time and take my chances... |
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::[[User:Nineteen Nightmares|Nineteen Nightmares]] ([[User talk:Nineteen Nightmares#top|talk]]) 01:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares |
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:::The references have to mention and give information about Valley Entertainment Monthly to be acceptable for keeping the article. If they do, please quote the text which mentions VEM on the article talk page. It's no good having a ref which is about e.g. a contributor to VEM, which doesn't mention VEM. This is in the ref guide above. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 02:10, 22 April 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Oh, JNW and Modernist are both experienced editors of long standing and in very good standing, who have contributed tens of thousands of edits to wikipedia, and who are simply following its policies properly. You have come here without researching the policies properly, written one article about a subject which you have a [[WP:COI]] over of some sort, and insult other contributors. I doubt if you would behave like that in "real life", so why lower standards of behaviour online? '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 02:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:Very good advice. This is totally unacceptable.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:JNW&diff=357438947&oldid=357308758] Read [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:CIVIL]]. I also suggest close study of the referencing guide I posted above. You've been given pointers, but you haven't followed them properly, so you minimise the chances of the article being kept. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 00:53, 22 April 2010 (UTC) |
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Hello, Nineteen Nightmares, and welcome to Wikipedia. If you are stuck, and looking for help, just type {{helpme}}
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Valley Entertainment Monthly
I've added three references today, 4/17/10, in the proper format. 22:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares
The article has also been linked to a handful of other Wiki articles, including the one on the City of Turlock and Mid Valley Publications. Nineteen Nightmares (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares
External links have now been added as well and I will continue to search for and add the appropriate references and external links when found.
I sincerely thank everyone for their help with this article!
Articles for deletion nomination of Valley Entertainment Monthly
I have nominated Valley Entertainment Monthly, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valley Entertainment Monthly. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. JNW (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Guide to referencing
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. If you need any assistance, let me know. -- Ty 02:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. The quotes around the name are optional unless there is a space in the name. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are three sources and they are each referenced three times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
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