User talk:Preciseaccuracy

I read the salon article and it paints a completely different picture than the previous wikipedia article and is more up to date than other sources being used so I added a few quotes from it. This story seems even more interesting than the current russian spy ring. Its kind of strange that art students from fake universities would be diagramming buildings.

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Please stop

You are edit warring on the article, and you vandalized my talk page. I will revert you know, and if you reinstall your changes, I will report you. BTW I would not like to see you at my talk page.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

You have violated the three-revert rule on Art student scam. Any administrator may now choose to block your account. In the future, please make an effort to discuss your changes further, instead of edit warring.You broke the Three Revert Rule and I'm going to report you for it. (Huey45 (talk) 14:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

Have you had a prior account

Have you ever had another account on Wikipedia?--Mbz1 (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Why are you attacking me? I don't know all of these rules. I thought that I was supposed to comment on your talk page. Is there a better way of communicating on wikipedia? I feel like your vandalizing my work. This is the first account I've ever created. I created it this morning. I was reading about the russian spy scandal and then looked up other ones. This article appeared to be missing a lot of facts so I'm trying to improve it. Your excuse for deleting my hard work was three letter pov. Hue deleted my work because he claimed that my source wasn't credible without even looking at it but it clearly is as it has won numerous awards including best website from time and awards for independent journalism.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Preciseaccuracy (talk • contribs)

FYI

You were reported here--Mbz1 (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mbz; I was in the middle of writing the same thing. What a coincidence! (Huey45 (talk) 15:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

Some friendly advice

Hi, Welcome to Wikipedia. I notice that you have got involved in a bit of a disagreement concerning the Israeli art student spy allegations. This is on the fringes of a topic area (the Arab-Israeli dispute) that is one of the most likely to generate arguments on Wikipedia with editors on each side of the dispute being prone to reporting each other to the various admin boards. Although editorial policies apply to all areas of content, it is particularly important to be aware of them in areas such as this where people with strong religious, political, nationalistic or other views are keen on finding any reason to withdraw material they don't like.

In the case of what you wrote, it was very easy to find such reasons. Wikipedia articles should not refer to themselves. So your comments about the edit history and previous versions of the article would get removed by any long-standing Wikipedia contributor who saw them whether or not they agreed with your view on the matter.

Also please be warned that Wikipedia jargon does not always mean what you might think it does. WP:Neutral Point of View, for example does not mean that no opinion should be expressed on a matter in an article but rather that it should reflect the balance of opinion in what are called WP:Reliable Sources, giving WP:Due Weight to each opinion according to their representation in sources.

My advice is therefore that you look at the Wikipedia policies and guidelines linked from the welcome message that you were given. If you have any doubts about whether what you want to put in will be accepted, it is often worthwhile askign on the article talk page before you do something. There are also things called WP:Wikiprojects where people who like to contribute to articles within an area of interest can discuss how to improve things. These are good places to get advice.

Anyway, I hope you are not put off by your initial experience of Wikipedia and are willing to explore things further. --Peter cohen (talk) 20:00, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Can I suggest that, if you intend to continue editing material to do with Israel and more broadly the Arab-Israeli dispute, you go and speak to an editor with a similar outlook to yours about how to cope with Wikipedia beaurocracy. There are things that anyone who has been around Wikpedia for a while knows but which are not obvious to a new contributor, for example, that you don't succeed in getting an edit-warring block by saying that you were right or by pointing out poor conduct by your opponents.

I notice that you have mentioned a couple of editors below who agree with you on this particular content issue. I was going to suggest you approach one of them, User:Tiamut, who I know of as an approachable contributor who has learnt how to cope within the system after several blocks early in her career. Unfortunately, she hasn't been active this month. Maybe try to find someone else with similar views to yours and a history of several blocks early in their career and few or none since and they may be willing to help you learn the ropes.--Peter cohen (talk) 18:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Please sign

Hello Preciseaccuracy, please remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ after a discussion on a talk page. It tells us who wrote the message. Thanks,  Davtra  ^(talk) 08:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours to prevent further disruption caused by your engagement in an edit war. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|your reason here}}. B (talk) 01:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

users ganging up to distort article for political reasons, Before making a judgment please read what I have to say below on my talk page below and spend some time going through the sources that I cite below. I have spent about 5 hours writing and organizing this challenge to being blocked

Decline reason:

The 5 hours spent crafting this unblock wall-o-text would have been better spent reading the five pillars of Wikipedia. Let me deal with some key portions: first, we work on WP:CONSENSUS, not WP:TRUTH. All additions must be verifiable via 3rd party reliable sources - indeed, if you have a source that there is any question about, you must take it to the reliable source noticeboard for determination. Edit-warring is never permitted: we have what is called the bold, revert, discuss cycle - this will help you to obtain consensus for your edits. Read and understand all of the above - you have a mere 24 hours. A repeat of any of the behaviours you have shown so far will lead to a longer block next time. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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Request reason:

My sources were both credible and verifiable, I used talk pages and discussion pages but responses made by other users were inane and contained purposefully distorted content descriptions of my reliable sources. I was not edit warring, I explained why my changes improved the article but MZB1 and huey45 did nothing but insult the credibility of my reliable source website that was ranked best website by Time Magazine and stated that the wikipedia article "is fine" and doesn't need to be changed without further explanation. I was being bold, when other users didn't bother to put together any form of logical statements in i.e. with statements like "the article is fine" in response to my well thought out and objective reasoning, I decided to take the initiative to add in my additions after I made some concessions to the other users and agreed to delete two quotes that they stated weren’t relevant to the wikipedia article. As far as consensus, the other users are ganging up to distort the article and are ignoring my arguments by stating "it's fine." Thats why I suggested that you do something. If I I am unbanned, it has become obvious that they will not allow me or anyone else to improve this wikipedia article or make any sort of meaningful change to the article because of their nationalist views. You should have at least skimmed my article below as I made a shorter well organized summary near the end entitled "imperatives". Would you please at least skim the imperatives section and view at least the first two and a half minutes of the fox news video. Other users are declaring that the suspected ""student" spy ring" falls under the category of "urban myth" even though it was covered in a serious manner in this 4 part fox news special with Brit Hume and Carl Cameron along with coverage in the numerous other sources outlined below.

Decline reason:

Edit-warring is always against the rules, even when you are certain that you are right. When your block expires, try some of the suggestions at WP:DISPUTE for resolving an editing dispute without edit-warring. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:15, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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Before making a judgment please read what I have to say and spend some time going through the sources. I’m not trying to cause trouble, it is the other way around.

I hope that in the end, my experience with this article doesn’t lead me to believe that fact matters little on wikipedia in creating an article against a politically motivated majority. In the case of fixing this article, unbanning me will not be enough, something else should be done so that the content of this article isn’t solely dictated by a group of users with a strong political bias.

I did use both the talk page for discussion and then the discussion page extensively

The wikipedia article states that the Israeli “art student” spy ring is an “urban myth” which is a very controversial statement. The other editors want to label the “urban myth” quotes as fact. I would go so far as to say that this means of labeling is not only inane, but deliberately misleading.

Once again, Before making a judgment please please please read what I have to say and spend some time going through the sources. I have pent several hours writing and organizing this challenge to being blocked. Most importantly look through the sources in detail so that you can gain an understanding of the issue. The more time you spend looking through the sources, (which are all well respected sources of journalism) the more it will become apparent that the group of users attacking me clearly have political and/or nationalist bias’ that is not only interfering with the objectivity of the article but is greatly distorting the facts and intentionally mutilating and distorting the topic. From reading the previous article deletion page, it is clear that they also ganged up on another group of users in March.

I have carefully taken my time to read through the numerous sources in depth and have logically reasoned why the Israeli spy ring doesn’t fit the description of “urban myth” on the talk pages and the discussion board. Whereas the responses I have received fit this general tone

“The article was 'fine', why stir up old issues? Reminds me of an editor who has since relaxed. --Shuki (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

“It's fine the way it is. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)”

and uzer:mzb1’s reason for deleting my work from the discussion page was

“I agree it is fine as it is.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)”

When the opposing users do decide to use more than “it’s fine the way it is”, the comments read as if the editors have not actually read the sources, or have read the sources and are deliberatly trying to distort the contents of those sources. To me, it seems the latter is the case.

This is a description of one of the cases of ridiculous arguments another user made

The user huey45 accused my source, salon.com of being uncredible by stating "It sounds like an unprofessional outlet for conspiracy theories and soap-box style editorial pieces, with no credibility." I then demonstrated that it is indeed credible by stating that it has been ranked best website by “Time” magazine. To this huey45 responded "Even if what you say does come from a normally reliable source, a lot of it is nonsense." This is where I saw user:huey’s personal bias interfering with objectivity in writing this article. The source article was very logical and covered the wikipedia topic "art student scam" in great depth and user:huey completely dismissed the seven page article which shines a lot of interesting light on the topic "art student scam" by saying "a lot of it is nonsense."

Only a few hours ago, after you blocked my acccount, even after it had been made clear that the source along with others were indeed credible huey commented

“The priority of this article is not meant to be the fake Israeli thing; there are plenty of other people purporting to be art students in order to sell overpriced reproductions. You already tried to hijack the article with your stuff about the DEA; leave the rest alone. (Huey45 (talk) 01:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC))”

By “fake” huey seems to mean “urban myth.” Huey45 may be right in that the over 100 fake israeli art students claiming to be from both a fake and real israeli universities weren’t spies. But there is strong evidence that they may have indeed been spies which at the very least invalidates the claim of the spy ring as an urban myth . For example, as I described on the talk page and added to the article after dealing with the inane and misleading attacks of other users, the 60 page DEA document presented on fox news, descibes the encounters of the DEA and other government agents with fake israeli art students who appeared inside protected areas of federal buildings, repeatedly showed up at dea agent homes, and were said to be doing what was suspected to be intelligence activity near a u.s. military base . For huey45 to imply that the suspected spy ring falls under the category “urban myth” along with other urban myths such as reptiles in the sewers of new york is more than misleading and is intended to interfere with intelligent debate on the subject.

I even made concessions to the other users and agreed to delete two quotes that they stated weren’t relevant to the wikipedia article. Each of these quotes were responses to other statements in the article intended to bring a much needed balance to the wikipedia article; however, I could sort of see their points that those two quotes should be deleted so I agreed to compromise by deleting both quotes. That left only the quote from the salon article which described why labeling the spy ring as an urban myth didn’t make sense.

The arguments an editor presented against including this direct quote from salon described the contents of a source article from “the forward” in a way that led me to believe the other editor user: Arxiloxos either hadn’t even read the source article from “the forward” or was deliberately distorting its contents in his descrition for the purpose of sabotaging the quality of the the wikipedia article “Art student scam” for political reasons.

The length of the quote was then challenged so I thus agreed to condense it and did so. I then inserted a condensed version of the quote into the wikipedia article. There were no credible arguments made by other users that supported the description of the “art student spy ring” as an “urban myth” so I was justified in adding the salon quote. Once again, this quote however was deleted by user:mzb1 with little explanation.

This quote extended the length of the article also. Given that the suspected Israeli art student spy ring was a different “variant”of “art student scam” than the chinese version of selling overpriced art it was clear that adding subsection titles would add to the readability and cohesiveness of wikipedia article. I also tried to make these titles as objective as possible. These however were dismissed as pov and deleted by user: mz1 without further explanation.

Imperatives

1. At minimum I suggest you at least watch at least the first few minutes of the four part fox special on israeli spying. The “art students” are referred to specifically at around 2:10. I do encourage you to watch the whole thing if you want. Once again, the more you have read the easier it will be for you to see how they are trying to distort this wikipedia article for political purposes.

Brit Hume and Carl Cameron Fox News 4 Part Special

2. Review the contents of source articles. Articles present conflicting opinions on the subject matter so you should definitely go through several in order to achieve an objective opinion.

http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20020321021731/http://real-info.1accesshost.com/janes1.html

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-20/fishwrapper.html

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/spies-or-students-1.45243

http://www.forward.com/articles/5250/

-note: this articles title refers to a separate case in Canada in 2004 but does mention the suspected suspected 2001 israli spy ring from the u.s.

http://www.zeit.de/2002/41/Tuer_an_Tuer_mit_Mohammed_Atta -note: this article is in german, from die zeit, try translating with google or yahoo

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20020307&slug=notspies07 -note this article is described by salon.com also with the quote “The Post's apparent debunking was far from convincing, even to the casual reader. ..If the whole thing was an "urban myth," like the sewer reptiles of Manhattan, and if it all led back to one deskbound nut job in the DEA, then what were those "reports of suspicious activity" that had come in from agents in the field?" ... "The memo is a compilation of field reports by dozens of named agents and officials from DEA offices across America. It contains the names, passport numbers, addresses, and in some cases the military ID numbers of the Israelis who were questioned by federal authorities. Pointing a finger at the author is like blaming a bank robbery on the desk sergeant who took down the names of the robbers. “

http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm -DEA memo

http://web.archive.org/web/20060423065411/http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707 -this source was already attached to wikipedia article by another user

3. I reviewed the articlesfordeletion page for this article and it appears other users had been bullied to change the facts and topic of this aticle through use of nonarguments and overtly pointless statements by a gang of users who wanted to have this article deleted or mutilated into the form it has become today.

No amount of talking could be done with this gang of users on the talk page that would lead this article away from being in such mangled form, because it appears that is how they want it to be. Why is this so, once again, they are arguing and not debating, because of their political motivations they want this wikipedia article to remain in its mangled form which they repeatedly say “it’s fine” in response to critcism of.

From reading the articlesfordeletion page, I think that these other users might also agree they were bullied into changing the page by the gang of users. Factsontheground

Tiamut

GregorB

Along with others

4. I am new to wikipedia so I’m not sure what is supposed to be done when a group of users collude to distort the facts of an article. When I’m unbanned, I still won’t be able to edit the article. Users mzb1 and huey45 will just report me again in order to maintain the article in its mangled form. User:noon will revert my edits.

Users Arxiloxos and Shuki will continue to respond about the article that “it’s fine.” instead of with facts

Something should be done or there will be no way to bring this article to a neutral and objective point of view. Does wikipedia have a rule for when a gang of politically motivated individuals is trying to sabotage an article?

5. After reading through my explanations and looking through sources I encourage you to read through these. It should be obvious after reading through the sources how these users are ganging up.

Revision history of Art student scam http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Art_student_scam&action=history

Huey45 talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Huey45#Art_Student_Scam

Talk:Art student scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Art_student_scam

Articlesfordeletion page for “Art Student Scam” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Israeli_art_student_scamPreciseaccuracy (talk) 10:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

6.I hope that in the end, my experience with this article doesn’t lead me to believe that fact and objective reporting along with citation of reliable sources matters little on wikipedia in creating an article against a politically motivated majority. In the case of fixing this article, unbanning me will not be enough, something else should be done so that the content of this article isn’t solely dictated by a group of users with a strong political bias.

I did use both the talk page for discussion and then the discussion page extensively so the reason that I wasn't using the talk page is fallacious. Consensus doesn't make sense in this situation when the facts are completely ignored by a politically motivated users. An objective third party could easily see this article has been mangled with bias and distortion techniques after review of the sources that I listed.

My sources were demonstrated to be reliable

When the request at AN3 was made, I did not block you because you had not edit warred after the warning. You have resumed edit warring and so I have blocked you. When your block expires, please discuss controversial changes on the talk page, rather than simply unilaterally re-imposing them. --B (talk) 01:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Settle down

Precise, you are allowing yourself to fall into a situation where you will very possibly be blocked from participating in Wikipedia. If you want to continue editing here you should not let this happen. If you believe some editors are acting in concert to force a particular POV on an article concerning Israel, I'm sure you are not the first to feel that way. Maybe you're ready for a fight, even a fair fight, figuring the "truth" is on your side, but that's the wrong approach. So, settle down, ignore provocations, make dispassionate, policy-based arguments on the article Talk page, provide reliable sources for the edits you want to make and ask for neutral editors to have a look at any content disputes. Have patience, because if other editors frustrate you and you become aggressive, you only play into their hands. I don't know if you can be a good and productive editor here, that mostly depends upon your next move. Oh, and please sign your posts, as many above have shown you how to do. Respectfully, RomaC ^TALK 07:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I understand how you feel and suggest you review this page: WP:DISPUTE and take the appropriate steps. The AN/I board may not be the best place to go right now. RomaC ^TALK 07:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Personal attacks

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Art student scam. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.(Huey45 (talk) 06:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC))

This is to inform you that I will no longer be participating in your ANI complaint as an uninvolved editor. Comments that you have made in that thread, as well as on my talkpage, referencing editors engaging in political collusion are troubling. Your comments have allowed me to infer a direction you may intend to steer the discussion. A few final words of cautionary advice; let this go, consensus is against you, cease the personal attacks, and move on to other topics for a while. Hazardous Matt (talk) 12:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Please refrain from pressing the issue by constantly linking to the same YouTube videos (as you've continue to done here). I very much doubt the cause of the problem is that you haven't quite spread those links enough.

Additionally, as I said above: "I will no longer be participating in your ANI complain..." I had hoped that I would be one of the few who would never have to say this, but... Please do not pursue the issue on my talkpage any further. Hazardous Matt (talk) 13:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I do not intend to steer the discussion off topic. Preciseaccuracy (talk) 13:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC) Why would you take sides in a debate without going through the evidence?Preciseaccuracy (talk) 21:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Respecting copyright

When adding links to material on an external site, please ensure that the external site is not violating the creator's copyright. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website's operator has created or licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates its creator's copyright. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Orange Mike | Talk 00:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration

Please do not take this as a "warning" or "threat" or anything like that. I'm not trying to brow beat you into submission or scare you away from the topic area. Basically, you are editing in a topic area that has previously been contentious (9/11 conspiracy theories) and the topic area went through a process which can result in increased scrutiny. To make it even worse, this same process is active in the topic area that covers the Israel-Palestine conflict. The article does not directly apply but many of the same editors you are currently discussing (fighting?) with frequent the other topic area so you might see a little bit more stress on their end.

This heads up (or whatever you ant to call it) does not mean anything since I am not an administrator and it is not pointing the finger at you for doing any wrongdoing. I recommend you review Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories and pay extra close attention to the . No action is required by you at this time but reviewing it might help you understand what is going on. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories#Remedies details the additional scrutiny. Again, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles may not be related but the reading about the case might help you understand the ongoing disputes that many of the same editors are involved in.

Also, did my recent edit at the article address your concern? Please use the talk page to discuss it if not.Cptnono (talk) 07:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

And nice work not jumping in the edit war even with some contentious edits and heated discussion going on.Cptnono (talk) 22:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Hi again

Just wanted to say you are doing a good job of staying concise and cool. It was for sure improper that Shuki deleted your comments on the article Talk page [1], and I think also wrong that he subsequently dismissed as "irrelevant" and deleted your request on his Talk that he stop doing so [2]. I have sometimes seen editors attempt to instigate/frustrate other editors, hoping they'll lose their cool so a comrade can march one or both editors over to an admin noticeboard for neutralization. Best you don't let this happen. Respectfully, RomaC ^TALK 06:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I do not want to see you at my talk page ever again

I do not want to see you at my talk page ever again not under any circumstances. Is that clear? In a meantime I'd like to share with you my favorite quote by Oscar Wilde "There is no sin except stupidity". I hope you like it too.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:34, 28 July 2010 (UTC)