Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy

Use of Orthodox Wiki links in regular Wikipedia

Hi; I just made some fixes on Herman of Alaska, as external links were placed in the body of the article, which is contrary to WP:MOS; two of these were Orthodox Wiki links, but they're still external links and not appropriate; this Wikipedia needs articles on Holy Resurrection Cathedral (Alaska) and Antiochan Village, as there may be other WikiProjects that those articles also are covered by, specifically in those cases WP:Alaska and WP:Antiochan Village. In general, I've noticed that some articles on Orthodox saints and history need quite a bit of work to bring them to WP:MOS and WP:NPOV despite a large amount of effort already put into them. Please be careful of this in future and, when referring to an article in Orthodox Wiki, treat it like an external link like any other link, and create parallel articles in THIS Wikipedia which other editors from other projects can edit and contribute to. BTW the work on the Orthodox Church in Russian America is admirable, but it needs to be brought into Wikipedia standards in such matters.Skookum1 (talk) 02:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Project priorities

Which articles should be the projects top priorities? I would like to see a list of 50-100 Top priority articles. I suggest:

History: Byzantine Empire - Crusades - Ecumenical council - Christianization of Bulgaria - Christianization of Kievan Rus'
East-West Schism

By region: Asian - Copts - Eastern Orthodox - Georgian - Ukrainian

Traditions: Assyrian Church of the East - Eastern Orthodox Church - Eastern Catholic Churches - Oriental Orthodoxy
Syriac Christianity

Liturgy and Worship: Sign of the cross - Divine Liturgy - Iconography - Asceticism - Omophorion

Theology: Hesychasm - Icon- Apophaticism - Filioque clause- Miaphysitism - Monophysitism- Nestorianism - Theosis
Theoria - Phronema - Philokalia - Praxis - Theotokos - Hypostasis - Ousia - Essence-Energies distinction - Metousiosis

Thoughts?? What do we drop? What is missing? -- Secisek (talk) 20:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Task Force Serbian Orthodox Church

Can someone helm me to stat task force in this project?--Vojvodaeist 10:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, lets start here. Look at the above question. What do you think we neeed to be working on? -- Secisek (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

My basic idea is to work on articles connected with Serbian Orthodox Church (first of all territorial organization and biographies). But I also can write about different Eastern Orthodox subjects from history to inter church relations. I am very interested for cooperation. When I decided to start Serbian Orthodox Church wikiproject or task force my first goal was to mark all articles on subject with template and to make table like table on this page [1]. --Vojvodaeist 08:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, look above. What do you think should be the Top priority articles for this project? What are we missing? --Secisek (talk) 00:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all there are no article History of Serbian Orthodox Church (now redirect). There are also no biographies of Serbian church leaders, territorial organization etc.--Vojvodaeist 06:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

We have a history section in the Serbian Orthodox Church article. This article should be our first priority. I am going to stub some sections in the hope you can help fill in some details with citaitions. If this article could reach GA, all the other articles you speak of could be spun off later. --Secisek (talk) 20:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

ОК. Iwill first work on article Serbian Orthodox Church but I think that it need be reorganized. I will start in next few days (maybe tomorrow).--Vojvodaeist 07:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I put some ideas on Talk:Serbian Orthodox Church.--Vojvodaeist 08:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Orthodoxy in Albania

A new entry, created by FabioAbazaj (talk · contribs) on 8 February 2009. There were serious problems with the three references I could check (other two are in Albanian and Greek). Those blatant failures to comply with our verifiability and no original research policies makes me doubious of the entire content of this entry (mostly unreferenced). A general revision & clean-up is needed.

See Talk:Orthodoxy in Albania#Entry in need of general revision & clean-up. - Regards, Ev (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Discussion regarding project organization

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Proposed mergers

It has been suggested that Wikipedia:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy and Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Syriac Christianity work group be merged into this project, which would then have as its scope all of Eastern Christianity, possibly also changing the project's name in the process to reflect the broader scope. Opinions?

Support

1. I support both proposed mergers. John Carter (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
2. I support the proposed merger. This project is greatly understaffed and could benefit from the merging of other similar projects with similar goals. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
3. Strong support, being fully aware of the differences between Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Church of the East, and the Eastern traditions who owe alliegance to the Roman pope. There are so few active editors who work on anything relating to Eastern Christianity that I strongly support a consolidation. To suggest that the differences will confuse people is not being honest about our editors, we can assume that any intrested editor will KNOW the difference between - e.g. - the Copts and the Maronites. Eastern Christianity editors have long worked together on Portal:Eastern Christianity. The main focus of the project was agree on long when the {{Eastern Christianity}} template was set up. I have several other reasons for thinking this is a good thing and will present if the need arises. All in all, I would like a single nexus point for editors who are intrested in Eatsern Christianity. -- Secisek (talk) 05:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
4. Although not a member of the WP, Support merger. In a previous life, I was in favor of having independent wp's for different traditions. However, I have come to see the strong advantages of having a slightly wider group of interested editors involved - especially when the pool of interested editors is so very small. As to the differences between the groups, the merger is not an attempt to paint over that. Indeed, their respective traditions need not be in communion for collaboration to work. What the shared WP acknowledges is a shared history and some shared perspectives / interests that would help collaborative editing. Athanasius • Quicumque vult 19:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
5. I support these mergers to keep alive the efforts of those who work on Eastern Christian articles in project form. Despite the differences, the idea behind a project is to get an idea as to what needs to be worked on and to inspire better content. These mergers would do that. Monsieurdl ^{mon talk} 14:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oppose

1. There is no way anyone who understands the difference between Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy can support such a merger. The only basis for lumping them together in some peoples minds seems to be that they share the name "Orthodox". Please do not do this. They are no more the same than any two distinct branches of Christianity. B'er Rabbit (talk) 19:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
2. I oppose because of everything B'er Rabbit Said. ܠܝܓܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 04:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
3. No ground for such a merge. Kpant (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
4. Such a merge would inadvertently lead to many non-Eastern Orthodox users to have significant control over Eastern-Orthodox articles and this is not only unfair, but it is also unjustified! I strongly urge you to reconsider merging, especially since there are few editors! Because that means that there are very few Eastern-Orthodox editors who check the validity of the articles and the chance of ending up with inaccurate and prejudiced information becomes very high. If the editors were objective and honest, sure, we could consider a broader scope to present objective information properly, but of course if that were the case we wouldn't have so many divisions of Christianity, now would we ? Innorogue (talk) 08:04, 6 March 2010(UTC)
5. There are clear differences between "Eastern" and "Oriental" theology. They have different bishops, have different beliefs. They are separate organizations. While both groups fall under the header of "Eastern Christianity", they are not the same thing, which merging these projects would imply. It would be about as appropriate as merging a Roman Catholic wikiproject with a Protestant one under the reasoning that they are both "Western Christianity. Strong opposition. Even reading the respective articles on the subject, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox will make the error of this merger apparent. --Pstanton (talk) 06:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Considering that main difference between the churches is only the hierarchy and that most aspects relating to worship are the same makes the merger a great idea. Some churches already included in the Eastern Orthodoxy project, such as the Greek Orthodox old calendar churches, are practically identical to those of say Oriental Orthodoxy. Also the Ecumenical Patriarchate is in communion with the Coptic Orthodox Church (Oriental Orthodox) so obviously they approve of each others doctrines further proving their similarities and supporting the merge. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

This is exactly where people get confused. The Coptic Church is not and never has been in communion with Eastern Orthodox, they do not approve of each others doctrines (Oriental Orthodox will never accept that Christ has two separated natures), they have had rival patriarchs for Alexandria and Antioch, etc since the 5th century, and they have had quite separate histories. The Oriental Orthodox split off from the pope in the 5th century. The Eastern Orthodox split from the Pope in the 11th century. These two groups did not arise by splitting from each other and thus their only shared history is that before the 5th century. B'er Rabbit (talk) 19:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

According to the wiki article, "In the summer of 2001, the Coptic Orthodox and Greek Orthodox Patriarchates of Alexandria agreed[25] to mutually recognize baptisms performed in each other's churches, making re-baptisms unnecessary, and to recognize the sacrament of marriage as celebrated by the other." I remember this because we have a lot of Coptic and Ethiopian Orthodox attending our churches, as there aren't really any Oriental Churches here. They participate just as Greek Orthodox would, no difference. Like I said, the big difference is the hierarchy, they did not unite, they just decided to recognize each other. Regardless, this is irrelevant because the purpose of the merger is to make the project more substantial. Like John Carter said, it may have to be renamed "Eastern Christianity", but either way, you cannot deny the similarities between the churches and the fact that the project would be more efficient with this merger. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed that they are different versions of Christianity. So, for that matter, are the Assyrian Church of the East and the various Eastern Catholic Churches. The reasons for proposing the mergers are (1) both the Syriac Christianity group and the Oriental Orthodoxy project are very inactive, so those articles receive comparatively little attention from anyone, and (2) for whatever reason, I think before I started here, Template:Eastern Christianity and Portal:Eastern Christianity already link them all as "Eastern Christianity." Personally, I'd like seperate groups on the Assyrian Church, the Eastern Catholic churches, and the Oriental Orthodox. But, right now, there doesn't seem to be much activity in either existing group, certainly not enough to justify either of the other groups continuing to, basically, vegetate and remain inactive. John Carter (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think lack of activity right now is a good reason for lumping in distinct groups either. Wikipedia isn't going anywhere, it continues to grow. Try to imagine 50 years from now, there may be millions of more editors, including members of both faiths, who haven't even been born yet. What is the rush to get everything "moving" quickly? There is a place to deal with the Oriental project if anything comes up, and there are editors like myself who watch the page and respond accordingly and do not wish it to be lumped in, that seems to imply just too much that isn't reality. B'er Rabbit (talk) 20:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Lack of activity generally equals lack of attention to the articles, and that is something I think the articles on the OO shouldn't have. And, for what it's worth, you might be interested in seeing here that I created that project myself. The purpose of merging is to prevent the articles from suffering the lack of attention and lack of development that they have recently been experiencing. I've heard elsewhere User:Secisek indicating that he was one of the few actively involved in not just the project, but developing the content, and that is what the project is for. Not many people leave notes on any project talk page, anyway. And, in any event, that page is just a way to support the content, and, right now, that project has been supporting the content rather inadequately. Getting more eyes who have an interest in the articles is always to the benefit of the content. I've myself observed that project from the time I created it, and have seen little reason to think that my hopes that it would be an effective collaboration will be fulfilled. My interest is in seeing the content developed, and, although there are differences between the bodies, there is enough in common that the unification will likely help some of those articles in ways that they aren't now being helped by the independent group. John Carter (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like it doesn't matter how many more reasons I point out to you for being against this, you are going to argue with all of them and end up "deciding" that it was unanimous to lump them in together anyway as if they were practically the same thing and as if there was no objection from anyone. We're used to that kind of treatment. B'er Rabbit (talk) 20:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Obviously we will be waiting for more input. The projects won't be merged unless there is consensus. So far only 3 people have commented, which also hints at the projects' lack of participation. I would like at least 20 people to weigh in. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

That is optomistic. I doubt we will find 20 active editors between the three projects in question and I belong to two of them. I dropped my membership from the third because there was NOBODY editing there and almost all of the subject in Syraic Christianity are also cover by the other two that I belong to. In the future, as WP grows, an Eastern Orthodox workgroup, as well as a Oriental workgroup and others, can be split off. -- Secisek (talk) 05:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

There are more editors interested and knowledgeable in Oriental Orthodoxy and how it actually does NOT particularly have a "shared history" with Eastern Orthodoxy any more than with Roman Catholicism or with any other major branch, despite first impressions. However, many of these knowledgeable editors do not formally sign up to and watchlist the O.O. wikipedia project, which would be preferable. To reach these editors and have a realistic hope of meeting your above-stated goal of 20 opinions, someone should drop a friendly and neutrally worded advisory note informing them about this controversy existing, at pages such as Talk:Oriental Orthodoxy, Talk:Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church at a minimum. B'er Rabbit (^{Briar Patch}) 11:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to be bold and drop off a neutrally worded statement yourself there. However, there is a reasonable question how much importance people who have never shown any interest in a given project, despite its banner being present on most relevant pages, if they themselves have never watchlisted the project's page or joined it. John Carter (talk) 14:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I have left a neutrally worded notice at said article talk pages. Athanasius • Quicumque vult 14:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Close?

What do we need to close this? Any other viewpoints? I think we should merge the projects and get to work. -- Secisek (talk) 04:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I have left messages on the talk pages of all the other OO members who have been active recently, requesting a comment within a week if possible. It should be noted however that, even with the full nine members it has ever had, not counting the fact that two of those members have had no activity in at least a year, it has never had the ten active members suggested for a WikiProject. John Carter (talk) 18:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

My personal opinion is that a merge might still need the approval of anyone else in WP:OO that received the messages from John Carter, because so far, there appear to be more opinions from EO members than the others from the above discussion. That said, given that there are relatively few active members on WP:OO alone (especially as of late) I support the proposal to merge the two under a broader scope--so long as a distinction is made, at least from a historical perspective. ~ Troy (talk) 21:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I would think that a 7 day response time following John Carter's individual notices to people should be appropriate. Then (18 May UTC), we need to either close this, or make an RfC for more input. Athanasius • Quicumque vult 16:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the content already makes a rather marked distinction between the EO and the OO. There is no reason that would change. The purpose of any project is just to make it easier for editors to group together to work on content. The Christianity WikiProject already deals with several hundred Christian denominations and movements, and has done whatever was required to keep them differentiated where reasonable and possible, and that would doubtless continue. John Carter (talk) 17:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposed move Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday

• 6 Apr 2009 – Move requested from Maundy Thursday (talk) to Holy Thursday; see discussion. --Boston (talk) 21:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

THEOCACNA

Please watch the edits of Theocacna2 (talk · contribs)! — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?

Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 01:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding an article on "Christian Liturgies"

I don't know if this already exists or not, but I thought i may be a good article. We ought to create an article about "Christian Liturgies". It would be a primary link to the liturgies of East and West, and would summarize these liturgies.

My vision of it would be first a look at the evolution of the Liturgy from the days of St. Justin Martyr to St. John Chrysostom. Then, those of us in the Eastern Orthodox tradition can provide outlines/summaries of our liturgy since St. John Chrysostom (I believe the modern form of our liturgy came into existence at ca. 1300 AD). Then those of the Western tradition can add the evolution of their Mass (liturgy) with outlines/summaries since St. John Chrysostom. This wouldn't be a main article for each liturgy, but rather an outline of all of them with their main articles going more in-depth.

Right now I have a reliable source for the Liturgy in St. Justin Martyr's day, besides his own writings, there is a book entitled: "Let Us Attend: A Journey through the Orthodox Divine Liturgy" by Father Lawrence Farley. He not only goes over the Orthodox liturgy, but at the end lists the evolution of the Divine Liturgy since St. Justin Martyr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OrthoArchitectDU (talk • contribs) 22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

What do you think? Is it worth it?

-In Christ, your lowly servant. OrthoArchitectDU (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Consultation on renaming article: Roman Catholic Church --> Catholic Church

Wikipedians at Talk:Roman Catholic Church are discussing the merits of changing the article name as such.
Roman Catholic Church → Catholic Church. Please share your opinions there. --Carlaude ^talk 12:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Christianity coordinators elections

Any parties interested in being one of the coordinators of WikiProject Christianity and its various related projects is encouraged to list themselves as a candidate at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Coordinators/Election 2. It would be particularly beneficial if we had individuals from as broad a range of areas of the project as possible, to help ensure that we have people knowledgable about the widest range of content possible. John Carter (talk) 20:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Colors used in the project page

I feel that the colors used in the project main page are garish and hard on the eyes... would anyone object to a darker red like the Imperial banner of the Byzantine Empire? Monsieurdl ^{mon talk} 14:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

No objections here. Feel free to be bold and make any changes you think reasonable. John Carter (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I finally found the appropriate box header and made the change. Now, I am going to try and add the project templates to the new articles that I created in the Byzantine History subsections now that I am back full time. I'll be working on the articles one by one. Monsieurdl ^{mon talk} 15:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Ukrainian Orthodox Church - dab outreach request

Hi all, I'm from the Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links project, and was hoping to find some help here. You see, one of the most-linked disambiguation pages in Wikipedia is Ukrainian Orthodox Church, currently with 111 article links. Now, I've taken a look at fixing these, but I'm terribly unqualified; there are three Ukrainian Orthodox Churches, and I don't see an easy way to distinguish which one a given article is talking about, but I want to see them fixed properly. Could someone give some guidance on how to handle these (or fix a few :D)? Thanks! --JaGa^talk 21:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

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Help with Another Gospel (Christian countercult book)

I would like to ask if anyone here would be willing to go look at the page on Another Gospel (an anti-"cult" book from the evangelical publisher Zondervan).

This book does not list Eastern Orthodoxy as one of the "cults" it targets. However, the current text of the article explains that the book tells how various religious groups "deviate from orthodox Christianity" — where the reference is clearly to western "mainstream" or "evangelical" Christian belief as being "orthodox".

Changing this wording on the page — or even successfully qualifying or explaining it — may be problematic because the text is in fact a direct quote from the front flap of the book jacket (and thus arguably supportable by "reliable sources").

Any input on this or other aspects of the article — with a view toward improving its quality, enhancing its NPOV, providing context for general readers, and any other worthy goal — would undoubtedly help. The page currently suffers from a dearth of editors. Please be sure to read the talk page carefully before jumping in, as there have been some serious disputes going on. Richwales (talk) 00:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

RFC for Another Gospel

Please see Talk:Another_Gospel#RfC:_NPOV_and_article_Another_Gospel. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 00:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Russianization

I am very concerned by a number of edits by User:Bertelin, who has been moving a number of ecclesiastical articles from the Greek to the Russian titles without discussion, and sometimes with misleading edit summaries ("standardized spelling", "reflective of more common usage"). The Greek forms are normally used by non-Orthodox English-speakers and should generally have priority. Examples:Kamilavka, Omophor, Antimins. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Expert help needed

A few sections in Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences have a seemingly inferior logic that perhaps affects a larger selection of subsections. Those interested who are proficient in theology, philosophy and logic, might give a helping hand by assessing relevant subsections and giving comment at the talk page HERE! Thank you for your attention, and otherwise happy editing! Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 09:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Bishop article naming

I've noticed a bit of inconsistency in the article naming for bishop articles. See:

Daniel (Nushiro) of Japan but then we have Ilia II of Georgia, which excludes the parenthetical surname, and then there is Kalistos Ware, which doesn't include a "of Diokleia", but maybe that is only due to his not being a primate? But then we have Jonah (Paffhausen) which, while he is a primate, doesn't have an "of America" or an "of the Orthodox Church in America", which is present in Archbishop Demetrios of America.

And contrast all of this variety with the extremely lengthy name, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, which is different from the EP two back, Patriarch Athenagoras I of Constantinople and those preceding it in containing the word "Ecumenical".

I think we should develop a standard policy for naming EO bishops on Wikipedia. Whether or not we include their title, surname in parenthesis and jurisdiction.

Personally, I think titles should be excluded, surnames should be parenthetical, and their sees should follow. Oh, and I think the "I" in Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople is pointlessly redundant.

In the form of: "Bartholomew (Archontónis) of Constantinople", "Kallistos (Ware) of Diokleia". Following Daniel (Nushiro) of Japan as a model. --Pstanton (talk) 21:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Howdy need opinions at Talk:East–West Schism,

Yesterday I was invited to a Discusion at Talk:East–West Schism as part of a WP:3O,

I am now posting this to get wider opinion on the Dispute in Question from Relevant WikiProjects

Thank you for your time Weaponbb7 (talk) 15:07, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

tagging

Is it possible to assume that othodoxyproject is the valid tag and ChristianityWikiProject|eastern-orthodoxy=yes is not? SatuSuro 12:27, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences

There is an ongoing dispute at Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences regarding the nature of the physical, material, fleshly body of man. One editor appears to be insisting that, according to EO teaching, the material body did not exist before the fall of man and will not exist after the resurrection. Another editor disagrees with this interpretation, and the two have been going back and forth on this and other issues for a very, very long time. See, for example, Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences#The sarx as the "garments_of_skin" and consequences of the "fall_of_man", as well as Talk:Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences. I have been trying (not very successfully) to get the two parties to find a consensus, but I am not familiar with the fine points of EO theology, and it seems to me that the best (only?) solution here is to get some more people involved over there who do have a background in this area. Richwales (talk · contribs) 22:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)