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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

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How to list a new nomination

For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.
For a step-by-step guide to filling out the {{NewDYKnom}} template, see Template:NewDYKnomination/guide.

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
2. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}

   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

   To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

   To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

   To add a comment: |comment=

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An example of how to use the template is given below. Don't forget to fill out the rollover text, so people know what the image is of! Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
 | article    = Example
 | status     = new<!--(or)  expanded-->
 | hook       = ... that this [[article]] is an  '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''?
 | author     = User
 | nominator  =
 | image      = Example.png
 | rollover   = An example image
 | alttext    = Description of the image
 | comment    =
}}

• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
• When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
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Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the additional rules.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol	Code	DYK Ready?	Description
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	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on September 29

Ronald Skirth

• ... that Ronald Skirth, a Battery Commander's Assistant in the First World War, deliberately targetted British guns to miss enemy targets.

5x expanded by Dwab3 (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• no red links in hooks allowed - removed Victuallers (talk) 22:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Kiruna Mine

• ... that the Kiruna Mine located in Kiruna, Sweden is the largest and most modern underground iron ore mine in the world?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 European terror plot

• ... that suspects in the 2010 European terror plot attended the same Hamburg mosque attended by some of the September 11 hijackers?

created by User:AMuseo, (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Could do with rephrasing - "... attended the same Hamburg mosque attended by some ..." does not read well. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that suspects in the 2010 European terror plot attended the same Hamburg mosque as some of the September 11 hijackers? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Gastric antral vascular ectasia

• ... that Gastric antral vascular ectasia (GAVE) is also called watermelon stomach because streaky long red areas that are present in the stomach may resemble the markings on watermelon?

5x expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

James Stovall

• ... that director Warren Carlyle praised James Stovall's performance in Finian's Rainbow, saying his singing inspired "fellow cast members to sing and dance that little bit harder"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Would it be possible to find a more surprising or eye-catching hook? It is quite normal for directors to praise their own actors, singers, dancers etc.; just as it is normal for actors to say how great it was to work with the director. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Colonia Peralvillo

• ... that residents of Colonia Peralvillo in Mexico City burned in effigy the three presidential candidates of the Mexican general election, 2000 after staging a mock trial?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Throne of Weapons

• ... that the Throne of Weapons (pictured) has a smile on its butt?

• Comment: Its a bit April 1st but there are lots of other hooks possible

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• (more sensible alt)... that the Throne of Weapons which has been exhibited in British schools is made from AK-47's? Victuallers (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• OK for alternative hook. Length, date, references check out. But the image can't be used, as it is a derivative work of the copyrighted work of art, and therefore a copyright violation (Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Throne of Weapons, British Museum.jpg).  Sandstein  18:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the approval - I thought items on permanent display were exempted from copyright. But discuss on commons. I have deleted it here pending the finding. Victuallers (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Patently not under copyright according to Freedom of Panorama#United Kingdom, but now that Sandstein has blithely opened a deletion request without considering the facts of the case it is unlikely that the picture can be used for DYK as Commons deletion requests can take weeks or months to close. BabelStone (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Mässmogge

• ... that Mässmogge (pictured), Swiss candies sold in Basel at the autumn fair, are filled with ground hazelnuts?

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Inocybe cookei

• ... that the poisonous mushroom Inocybe cookei (pictured) smells faintly of honey?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Una Padel

• ... ... that Una Padel, a criminal-justice reformer, was described as having a "profound sense of social justice" which "stemmed from an incisive understanding of and empathy with the underdog"?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 16:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Deam Lake State Recreation Area, Charles C. Deam

• ... that Deam Lake State Recreation Area is named for Charles C. Deam, the first state forester of Indiana who discovered 25 new plant species?

Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Wayne Winterrowd

• ... that Wayne Winterrowd was called "one of the driving forces in North American horticulture", while his gardens in Readsboro, Vermont were said to represent "American gardening at its best"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Four boxes of liberty

• ... that the concept that four boxes of liberty include the soap box, ballot box, jury box and cartridge box, dates back to 1830?

5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by Aymatth2 (talk) at 13:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Not 5x expanded (1836 to 5779 characters, according to prosesizebytes.js). Also the article is currently at AfD, it can be reconsidered after AfD ends but it would still need to be about 9000 characters to qualify. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Flame fougasse

• ... a flame fougasse can shoot a jet of flame 10 feet (3.0 m) wide and 30 yards (27 m) long?

Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Nominated by Gaius Cornelius (talk) at 12:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting and eye-catching but not by any means new; you've been working on it since July, at which point it was already 18,000 bytes. Consider submitting to WP:GA instead. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• You seem to have missed the fact that this was only moved to article space today, so coutns as new within the rules governing "Did you know?" David Underdown (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Stricken. (In the future, Gaius, you can help reviewers by indicating, using the |comment= parameter, when the article was moved to mainspace.)

My appologies. I did know that, but forgot on this occasion. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• But I can't find the hook fact in the source. The closest thing I found was "the flame covered an area of about 50 sq yds". rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Fred Lord Hilton eyewitness account gives a general description. The figures come from the Barel Flame Traps document, the relevent sentence reads "40-gallon barrel fougasses project a beam of buring fuel about 10 feet wide to a range of about 30 yards." Gaius Cornelius (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'll AGF it. But if a given reference doesn't contain the fact, it shouldn't be cited there as if it does; it sends the reader on a wild goose chase. I have edited the article accordingly. Everything else is good to go. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Ancient synagogue (Eshtemoa)

• ... that the ancient synagogue at Eshtemoa in the West Bank was converted into a mosque after the 7th-century?

Created by Chesdovi (talk). Nominated by Chesdovi (talk) at 11:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• It seems that there is more material available to expand the article, but as of right now the prose is just over 1,220 characters, short of the 1,500 minimum. Alansohn (talk) 13:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Holy Trinity Church, Blatherwycke

• ... that in Holy Trinity Church, Blatherwycke, Northamptonshire, is a memorial to the poet Thomas Randolph who died while visiting Blatherwyke Hall?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Balaji Sadasivan

• ... that Singaporean Senior Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Balaji Sadasivan (pictured) became a neurosurgeon after seeing the effects of Minamata disease in Minamata, Japan, as a medical student?

5x expanded by Jacklee (talk), based on an article created by Black Falcon (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 06:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Lactarius vinaceorufescens

• ... that when cut or injured, the poisonous mushroom Lactarius vinaceorufescens will ooze a white latex that rapidly turns sulfur-yellow?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Capricorn Silvereye

• ... that Capricorn Silvereyes are not only socially, but also genetically, monogamous?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Hook source AGF. Its OK except for the fact that I dont know what "genetically monogamous" means.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• With these birds, it means that the pairs that build the nests and defend the territories are the genetic (or "true") parents of the chicks they raise. That is, they are sexually "faithful" to each other. This does not always hold with many other species of birds (e.g. many fairy-wrens) of which genetic testing has shown that the females are prone to having extra-pair copulations. There is some explanation of this here. Maias (talk) 00:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Centre for Crime and Justice Studies

• ... that the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies gives the annual Una Padel Award in memory of its former director?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• "... in the memory of ..." is ungrammatical. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed. Christopher Connor (talk) 21:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• It might read better if you use "its former director", rather than "the former director". Cordless Larry (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Done. Christopher Connor (talk) 21:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 28

Palestinian drive-by shooting

• ... that Palestinian drive-by shootings had the ironic consequence of ruining the economy of Palestinian areas?

created by User:AMuseo, User:Shuki, User:Jalapenos do exist, User:George (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) (talk) 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Drive-by shootings do not have nationalities. Is this even really a subject separate from drive-by shootings, or is this a coatrack article? Also, why "ironic"? Geschichte (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article seems to be treating it as a specific form of warfare in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I any case, that's not a argument for rejecting the hook, that's an argument for an AFD. Circéus (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The Secrets of Scientology

• ... that former Scientology official Mike Rinder was called a whistleblower for his appearance on the BBC Panorama documentary, The Secrets of Scientology?

Created by TheRetroGuy (talk), Cirt (talk). Self nom at 15:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

1958–59 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1959–60 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1960–61 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

• ... that in his final two full seasons as head coach of Princeton Tigers men's basketball, Franklin Cappon led the 1958–59 team to the Ivy League co-championship and the 1959–60 team to the outright championship and he coached part of the year during the championship season of the 1960–61 team?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 00:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Prince Heinrich XXXII Reuss of Köstritz

• ... that it was assumed that Prince Heinrich XXXII Reuss of Köstritz would succeed Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, as his mother and cousin were expected to give up their claims?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

xxxHolic: A Midsummer Night's Dream

• ... that the anime film xxxHolic: A Midsummer Night's Dream was released on DVD and Blu-Ray alongside the film Tsubasa The Movie: The Princess in the Birdcage Kingdom?

Created by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

HMS Garmer

• ... that the captain of the Swedish river monitor HMS Garmer had to steer the ship as well as aim and fire her gun?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 22:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Peter Endrulat, Borussia Mönchengladbach 12–0 Borussia Dortmund

• ... that Peter Endrulat never played in the Fußball-Bundesliga again after conceding 12 goals for Borussia Mönchengladbach's record 12–0 league victory over Borussia Dortmund?

Created by Jared Preston (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

BBC Somali Service

• ... that a poll found that 99 percent of Somalis in the United Kingdom listen to the BBC Somali Service?

5x expanded by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length, sourcing and expansion for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• The original source for this claim appears to be from 1999, and there is no indication of when the actual poll took place. Is that a problem? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District

• ... that the Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District (former town hall, pictured) is the oldest European settlement on the Holland Purchase in Western New York, continuously occupied since 1798?

• ALT1:... that one of the six buildings in the Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District is the oldest extant house in Genesee County, New York?
• Comment: Fivefold text expansion

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 20:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Scyllarus pygmaeus

• ... that the slipper lobster Scyllarus pygmaeus is too small for fishing?

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, but I think it would be hookier to use the common name (pygmy locust lobster) instead of the binomial. Smartse (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

William Harrison (physician)

• ... that in addition to handling 6,000 births, obstetrician William Harrison performed over 20,000 abortions, eventually becoming the only physician in Northwest Arkansas to perform the procedure?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Colonia Morelos

• ... that Colonia Morelos in Mexico City is home to the city's largest tianguis market and two public sites to worship Santa Muerte (pictured)?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

St Andrew's Church, Wroxeter

• ... that the font (pictured) in St Andrew's Church, Wroxeter, was constructed from the base of a former Roman column?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Gus Bevona

• ... that Gus Bevona resigned from local SEIU 32BJ in 1999, in the face of criticism for annual pay of $531,529 in 1997, more than 17 times the salary of the janitors and building workers he represented?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Koha Jonë

• ... that the newspaper Koha Jonë is seen as the first newspaper that achieved press freedom in Albania after the Communist downfall in 1991?

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk). Nominated by Vinie007 (talk) at 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• • First sentence is a machine translation of its own first on-line reference. And the sentence makes no sense when translated into English where it talks of the cleverness of the name of the paper - which may work in Albanian but not English. DYK entries must have 1500 chars of original text Victuallers (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fixed the spelling problem --Vinie007 16:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Gazeta 55

• ... that the number 55 of the newspaper Gazeta 55 stands for the Anti-Albania agitation and propaganda law?

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk). Nominated by Vinie007 (talk) at 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Guepinia

• ... that the apricot jelly fungus (pictured) can be used raw in salads, pickled, candied, or fermented to produce wine?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• All checks out, but can you add a ref to the part of the taxonomy section which is currently unreffed? Ta Smartse (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Done. Sasata (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Cheers, AGF for the wine ref. Smartse (talk) 20:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The Night of Enitharmon's Joy

• ... that The Night of Enitharmon's Joy (pictured, 1795), by William Blake, represents the Femine Will upon a patriarchal Christianity?

Created (and expanded today) by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 4:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother

• ... that French artist Eugène Delacroix used his own pet cat as model to paint the tigers of A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother (pictured, 1830)?

Created by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 3:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• DYKcheck returns only 1198 chars, short of the 1500 required. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth Congregational Church (Lawrence, Kansas)

• ... that the Plymouth Congregational Church of Lawrence, Kansas (pictured) was the first church in Kansas Territory and lost members to the Lawrence Massacre of 1863?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Red Cross parcel

• ... that individual cigarettes in Red Cross parcels in the Stalag Luft I Prisoner of War camp were valued at precisely 27 cents each?

Created by Ecjmartin (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ryan Premises

• ... that the Ryan Premises, a national historic site in Newfoundland and Labrador, was opened by Queen Elizabeth II to mark the 500th anniversary of John Cabot's landing in Bonavista?

Created by Silverchemist (talk). Self nom at 00:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 27

Great Flood of 1862

• ... that the Great Flood of 1862 was one of the greatest in the history of the Willamette Valley and the rest of Western Oregon?

Created by Asiaticus (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Frank Hill Smith

• ... that Frank Hill Smith was a painter and designed wall frescos, stage curtains, and stained glass windows?

Created by M2545 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Miriam Shapira-Luria

• ... that Miriam Shapira-Luria, known for her beauty, taught Talmud to elite young men from behind a curtain so that they would not get distracted by her appearance?

Created by Brewcrewer (talk), Jayjg (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Pakuashipi, Quebec

• ... that the people of the Pakuashipi settlement in Quebec, Canada, are considered the most traditional and conservative Innu band, both in terms of culture and language?

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Nominated by P199 (talk) at 17:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Grainsby Halt railway station

• ... that Grainsby Halt railway station served a Victorian hall in Lincolnshire which was later said to be haunted?

• ALT1:...was probably the smallest station to be taken over by British Railways upon nationalisation in 1947?

Created by Lamberhurst (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Josh Capon

• ... that chef Josh Capon was able to cook a three-course fish dinner for 4 people on The Early Show Saturday Edition's "Chefs on a Shoestring" challenge while spending less than $10 per person?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Is there a more startling hook? I'm not sure I'm surprised. If it wasn't for the BLP issue then I think a better hook would be Capon said it was impressive to cook a 3 course meal for ten dollars a sitting Victuallers (talk) 09:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I suppose we could add the word "gourmet" but it's a 3-courses for $10/person. That's not necessarily feasible. Tommy! 13:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Modified hook. Tommy! 16:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Bingolotto (Norway)

• ... that after BingoLotto in Norway was launched in 1993 and cancelled in 1994, an attempted revive in 1996 was stalled and stopped by the government in 1998 after being a part of the election campaign in 1997?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 08:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fred Evans (comedian)

• ... that silent shorts featuring Fred Evans as "Pimple" rivalled those of Charlie Chaplin for popularity and have been described as "proto-Pythonesque"?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Amalfi Cathedral

• ... that Amalfi Cathedral's bronze doors, cast in Constantinople, were the first in Italy?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Edward Gal

• ... that Dutch dressage rider Edward Gal and his horse have been called "rock stars in the horse world" after setting multiple world records in top competition?

5x expanded by Dale Arnett (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Jimi Heselden

• ... that Jimi Heselden, owner of the company that makes the Segway personal transport system, died on 26 September after a Segway he was riding fell off a cliff?

Created by Smallman12q (talk), Finlay McWalter (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 01:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Note that this article is also up for consideration at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Segway owner dies, but approval there appears unlikely. Alansohn (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Zef Jubani

• ... that 19th century Albanian rilindas Zef Jubani (pictured) argued that the Albanian language should have a unique alphabet since it was a unique language?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by Sulmues (talk) at 01:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• All checked out. Minor tweaks made. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

HMS Minotaur (1863)

• ... that the five-masted ironclad HMS Minotaur and her sisters were described as "the dullest performers under canvas of the whole masted fleet of their day, and no ships ever carried so much dress to so little purpose"?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 23:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, image verified as PD. Nice little article with some nice images. Gatoclass (talk) 12:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a great-sounding hook and a great article. But the hook is misleading, and indeed even a mis-quotation. Per the article, Minotaur was one of three ships described in this way, and the three ships together were described as "the dullest performers under canvas". Minotaur was not a single ship described alone as "the dullest performer". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, but it still applies to the ship. I've rephrased to include her sisters, but I've probably blown the 300 character limit.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Possible ruthless trimming of the hook, if needed;

ALT1 ... that HMS Minotaur and her sisters were called "the dullest performers under canvas of the whole masted fleet of their day, and no ships ever carried so much dress to so little purpose"?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Whitefriars, Bristol

• ... that Whitefriars, a Carmelite foundation in Bristol, England, was described by sixteenth century antiquary John Leland as "the fairest friary in England"?

5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 23:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Wandsworth Shield

• ... that the Wandsworth Shield (pictured) has a repoussée design of two large birds with outstretched wings and trailing tail feathers, and is considered to be a masterpiece of British Celtic art?

Created by BabelStone (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Well done. Suggestion - can someone photoshop-out the distracting square at top left in the image. Thank you Victuallers (talk) 09:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Done. BabelStone (talk) 11:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Robert Totten

• ... that former Gunsmoke director Robert Totten, at the time of his death in 1995, was scheduled to direct a television series based on Lonesome Dove?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

John R. Paul

• ... that virologist John R. Paul blamed clean water, sewer systems and better hygiene for polio's spread in the 20th century, saying exposure to poliovirus as infants would confer immunity to the disease?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• fine although I suggest a shorter version of the hook... that virologist John R. Paul blamed better hygiene for polio's spread in the 20th century, saying early exposure to poliovirus would have given immunity?

Brian Moran (baseball)

• ... that in 2009, the Seattle Mariners drafted Dustin Ackley, Kyle Seager, and Brian Moran, who were all teammates on the North Carolina Tar Heels baseball team?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Template:Sybst:DYKtick Length and sourcing of article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 14:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Church of Saints Peter and Paul, Nikopol

• ... that the medieval Church of Saints Peter and Paul (pictured) in Nikopol, north central Bulgaria, may have belonged to a now-ruined monastery?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 21:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• • Comment: Hook ideas are very welcome. The photo of the church looks pretty good even as a thumbnail, I think it would be a good DYK picture. — Toдor Boжinov — 21:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ignatius III Atiyah

• ... that the two claiming Melkite Patriarchs, Ignatius III Atiyah and Cyril IV Dabbas, were both consecrated on the same day, April 24, 1619 but in different places?

Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld

• ... that Nazi princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld translated numerous works into German, including Paul Rassinier's Holocaust-denying work The Drama of European Jews?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Nazi socialite Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld was a leading figure in the Nordic Ring, a group devoted to discussing issues concerning race and eugenics?

Bhutan-Thailand relations

• ... that the Bhutan-Thailand Friendship Park was launched in 2009 to celebrate the 20th anniversary of diplomatic relations between Bhutan and Thailand?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 17:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Joseph L. Melnick

• ... that Joseph L. Melnick found that the most common way that polio was spread was by fecal contamination of soiled hands and that the poliovirus could survive for extended periods in sewage?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Possibly better worded as fecal contamination from soiled hands? (I'm not really sure) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Benjamin F. White (Montana politician)

• ... that Montana Territorial Governor Benjamin F. White founded the city of Dillon?

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 16:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Bangladesh Ansars

• ... that the Bangladesh Ansars were originally formed in 1948 as the East Pakistan Ansars?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 16:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: That is a really uninteresting hook, isn't it? East Pakistan became Bangladesh, so they got renamed. Maybe try a hook about the origins of the name instead? Just a suggestion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Good point. How bout this -

• ALT1 ... that while mainly charged with maintaining law and order, Bangladesh Ansars are also assigned to help in schemes promoting local development? Shiva (Visnu) 10:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• All checked out. The alt hook is definitely better. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Village Defence Party

• ... that a Village Defence Party is organised on the basis of one platoon of men and one platoon of women for each village in Bangladesh?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 16:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: This is a really interesting hook (in my opinion) and a really interesting article, but the hook fact is sourced to the organization that is responsible for the creation and control of the subject of the article and hook. Not sure if this is appropriate or not, can someone else comment? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I have added another source for the point that at least 50% of the force is composed of women. As for the source of the Ansars/VDP website, it is a government institution site, not really a questionable source. Shiva (Visnu) 00:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• All checked out. Agree with Shiva that source is reliable. But article barely passes the required length, so much more info could be added... -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 18:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Dorothy M. Horstmann, Robert W. McCollum

• ... that research by Dorothy M. Horstmann and Robert W. McCollum at Yale University showed that polio was spread in the bloodstream, leading to the development of the polio vaccine in the early 1950s?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Sharon Cherop

• ... that Sharon Cherop fell over at the Toronto Waterfront Marathon but got back up and ran the fastest marathon ever by a woman in Canada?

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 12:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. A pair of sentences in the article were combined to put the hook facts in the same sentence with a single reference. Alansohn (talk) 16:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Torlonia Vase

• ... that for centuries the Roman marble Torlonia Vase was the largest in diameter of known antique vases?

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 12:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• off-line article backing article and hook are accepted in good faith, and this link to the source cited in the article covers most of what's there, though further access to the rest of the article would be a pretty stiff $15. The article and hook length are fine. Alansohn (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• The quote that I was able to manipulate from the article says that "For a long time it was also the largest in diameter of known antique marble vases and one of the few with a figurative frieze". The word "marble" should be added to the hook to reflect the source and the possibility that there were larger vases made of other material, such as earthenware. Alansohn (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Gilgel Gibe II Power Station

• ... that shortly after its inauguration, part of the Gilgel Gibe II Power Station's 26 km (16 mi) tunnel, which was "considered one of the most difficult tunnel projects ever undertaken", collapsed?

Created/nom by--NortyNort (Holla) 10:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• All checked out, although there is more info in the sources that could be added to the article to make it more complete. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I've removed "had" from before "collapsed" as it isn't necessary. Smartse (talk) 20:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense

• ... that The Adventures of the Scrabble People in A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense, a syndicated cartoon special from 1985, was financed and developed by franchise owner Selchow and Righter?

Created by Slgrandson (talk). Self nom at 09:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article be at A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense instead? It seems as if the rest is the series title, and the latter is the actual episode title. Apart from that, what's so special about the fact that a franchise owner does something with its franchise? A more captivating hook would be better... Fram (talk) 09:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that the creation of Selchow and Righter's Scrabble People, who appeared in 1985's syndicated cartoon special A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense, involved the designers of Cabbage Patch Kids? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

As for the move, you're right. They also appeared in an educational video back then ... and in at least two books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Babatunde Jose

• ... that Babatunde Jose has been described as the "grandfather of Nigerian journalism"?

Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Sourcing and length for article and hook have been confirmed. Alansohn (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Black people and crime in the United Kingdom

• ... that in 2009–10 the majority of males proceeded against by police for gun crimes, robberies, and street crimes in London were black?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• While the article looks well sourced and based off of noatable notable studies and likely to survive an AfD, I am not sure if this is a good hook to have on the main page.--NortyNort (Holla) 07:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• I know Wikipedia is not censored but just as we do not feature overly negative hooks about living people on the front page, altering this hook might be similarly advisable. Perhaps a hook could be crafted noting that "Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime." which is also significantly disproportionate to the population as a whole while focusing on a perhaps less inflammatory aspect of the data. - Dravecky (talk) 10:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
• I'm also concerned about using this hook on the front page. While I don't object in principle to an article of this sort providing it is balanced and contextualised, rather than simply suggesting that a group of people are somehow predisposed to committing crime, I'm worried that that complexity is lost in any one-sentence hook. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
• For instance, there is research demonstrating that ethnicity is not a significant predictor of crime, a point that I have just added to the article. People reading the hook would probably come to a different conclusion. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• What I presume to be the source of the data also states that the figures quoted include people who were subsequently acquitted. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I will have to resist these comments. There was some activity on the article but didn't really affect the hook, though have slightly clarified a few words. I don't think the opposing comments have basis in the rules. To me, this is an interesting hook, likely to draw readers, and is based on statistics, so the factual grounding is solid. Of course it doesn't explain the details but that can't be done in 200 characters. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't doubt this is an interesting hook was unsure about it. Based off your comments, Dravecky and the hook tweak, I don't have a problem.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

You're free to "resist these comments" just as I am free to feel strongly that the current proposed hook is inappropriate for the front page as inflammatory and unduly negative, especially without context as you note above. - Dravecky (talk) 07:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Only my argument is based on the rules whereas yours is not. There is no issue with 'context', neither did I say so (I merely rather redundantly noted that further explanation would be helpful, as always), and you haven't made clear what 'context' you mean. Indeed if there's any context to be had it would be by noting the percentage of the black population versus the Met Police statistics (which may or may not make them look better). Your hook would appear to have the same 'issue' and additionally is less interesting and more unwieldy. Christopher Connor (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

While I confess to a wide interpretation of 'living individuals', my comments are based on the rule "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." Other editors are, of course, allowed to disagree with my interpretation but I apply that rule consistently in all of my hook reviews. - Dravecky (talk) 09:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe there is a way to reword the hook to focus on the gangs, who is more narrow but then again referring to a negative segment; violent gangs. Also, Operation Trident would work in an ALT.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The group is about 800,000 in number (London estimates) so concerns over 'living people' appear to be misplaced. If you feel that DYK should have rules on 'controversial' hooks, the place to pursue that is on the DYK talk page, not here. Christopher Connor (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• No. Sorry, this isn't the kind of hook we look to feature here. Grsz¹¹ 15:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

As above, point to a rule which backs up your opinion instead of simply declaring you don't like this hook. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't need one, DYK leaves a lot of leeway to reviewers, but "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided" is at Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules. There is certainly another hook that can be less negative, like taking action to help resolve issues of black crime, etc., that this kind is not needed. No need to be needlessly insensitive, whatever your intentions are. Grsz¹¹ 15:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

That only applies to individuals or small groups, not to unidentifiable, generic groups of 800,000 strong which account for 12 percent of a major city. Additionally, the same 'hook' appears in the first sentence of the report by The Sunday Telegraph, who initially reported it, and also the Daily Mail; so, for example, nothing is being done that our reliable sources haven't done. Also, this story is one of the most recent being only three months old. Based on this, I fail to see how the opposing comments can stand and why this shouldn't be moved into the queue. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I went to the links you posted, and did a search for the phrase "black people." Here's what came up: "black people are at least six times more likely to be stopped and searched than their white counterparts" and "black people are more than twice as likely to have their cases dismissed, suggesting unfairness in the system." Neither of those statements is referred to in your article. Why is that? 28bytes (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

It just seems to a lot of people that you've cherry-picked certain information to include, and have neglected others, as 28bytes points out. This certainly isn't the only hook possible from the article. Adding balancing information like mentioned above provides even more possibilities. Grsz¹¹ 16:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Please, these comments and insinuations aren't helpful. 28bytes's particular issues are distracting and best dealt with at the article, not here. Suggestions that I've been cherry-picking are not only untrue, but also have the effect of putting me in a bad light and seem like an attempt to avoid responding to the comments I made earlier. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

My suggestion: incorporate the information from the quotes I referenced to give the article a little more balance, rename the article to something less inflammatory (Race and crime in the United Kingdom, perhaps?) so that it doesn't run afoul of WP:AND, and use the information from one of those quotes as the hook. With those changes, I suspect there will be fewer objections to it going to the queue. 28bytes (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

If I was going to do all that you say, I may as well retire. Christopher Connor (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This hook (and likely this article) isn't suitable for placement on the main page due to its subject. It just won't work there. Prodego ^talk 20:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Irving J. Moore

• ... that Irving J. Moore, a director of Dallas and Dynasty, began his career as a messenger on the Columbia Studios lot in Hollywood?

ALT1: that Irving J. Moore directed the 1980 episode "Who shot J.R.?" of the CBS soap opera Dallas?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook are fine. ALT1 is no issue, but the original hook is mentioned in the Los Angeles Times obituary, but does not have an explicit source in the article, which should be added. The Dynasty episode was the highest-ranked TV program in history at the time, and was a major cultural meme while the cliffhanger was still left unresolved. Any of these factoids might make the hook more interesting. Alansohn (talk) 16:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Chesterfield Island stingaree, New Caledonian stingaree, butterfly stingaree

• ... that the Chesterfield Island, butterfly, and New Caledonian stingarees are all found off the Chesterfield Islands, the first two nowhere else?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 04:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 26

Action of 25 April 1898

Picture of the USS Foote at dock

• ... that during the Action of 25 April 1898, although the Spanish naval gunboat Ligera fired 10 shots and the American naval gunboat Foote (pictured) fired 70 shots, Foote was heavily damaged while Ligera was only hit once?

Created by ElBufon (talk). Nominated by Bejinhan (talk) at 14:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

1921–22 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1954–55 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

• ... that before becoming a permanent member of the newly formed Ivy League, Princeton Tigers men's basketball won six Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League college basketball conference championships: 1922, 1925, 1932, 1950, 1952, 1955?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

You Are the Girl

• ... that "You Are the Girl" was The Cars' first – and last – Top 40 hit after they regrouped from a three-year hiatus in 1987?

Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Kalaymyo

• ... that during World War II, Kalaymyo (pictured) was an important regroup point for the British during their retreat from Burma in 1942?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 09:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 14:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

U.S. Post Office (Spring Valley, New York)

• ... that the Spring Valley, New York, post office (pictured), unique among Colonial Revival post offices in New York, emphasizes Greek Revival aspects of that style?

• ALT1:... that the mural in the Spring Valley, New York, post office (pictured), shows how mail can reach even the most isolated person?
• Comment: Fivefold text expansion

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 06:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ralph T. Coe

• ... that Ralph T. Coe, described as "enormously significant in the growth of appreciation of Native American art in the 20th century", began his collection after seeing a totem pole in a Manhattan shop?

Created by Lquilter (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sister Wives

• ... that the TLC reality television series Sister Wives follows a polygamist family of four wives and 16 children living in Lehi, Utah?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 01:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... one day after the debut Sister Wives, a TLC reality television series about a polygamist family, authorities in Utah announced they were investigating the family for possible felony charges?
  • Proposed a potentially more interesting alt lead in light of the new legal stuff... — Hunter Kahn 14:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Cardiff Kook

A range of choices, from the obscure to the plain:

1. … that the chicken wire dude who once rode behind the Cardiff Kook was retired to a ranch with poinsettias?
2. … that Marion Ross was a booster for the Cardiff Kook?
3. … that Rob Machado couldn't tell you what the Cardiff Kook stood for?
4. … that the Cardiff Kook once wore Zorro's costume?
5. … that the Cardiff Kook was intended to be an awkward boy?

• Me again. The fifth is the best, since it seems that a lot of people indeed do not know this. But you might like the idea of enticing people with the more obscure hooks. Uncle G (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 Hamas terror campaign

• ... that Hamas launched a new campaign of killing Israelis in order to prevent peace talks from succeeding?

created by User:AMuseo, User:Brewcrewer, User:Jalapenos do exist (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) (talk) (talk) 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Currently up for AfD. Assuming it survives, it still has some substantial POV problems that will need to be addressed before running it. Gatoclass (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I just want to point out that the article has been gone over by many editors, and undergone many changes to satisfy NPOV concerns.AMuseo (talk) 15:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Marilyn McAdams Sibley

• ... that Marilyn McAdams Sibley wrote histories of both the Port of Houston and The Methodist Hospital of Houston, Texas?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Bob Mann (American football)

• ... that Bob Mann, the first African-American player for both Detroit and Green Bay, claimed he was "railroaded" out of football when he objected to a 20% pay cut after tallying the third highest receiving yards total in NFL history?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• sourcing, length and 5x expansion verified for hook and article. The sources regarding being the first African American player for the Lions and Packers are accepted on good faith. The "railroaded" aspect is covered by the Los Angeles Times article referenced in the article, but as additional support I found (and added) another source based on what appears to be the same UP feed that the LA Times used. Great job on expanding what was a bare stub into an expansive and thorough article. Alansohn (talk) 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

HMS Valiant (1863)

• ... that the British ironclad HMS Valiant (pictured) had to wait nearly five years after she was launched to receive her rifled muzzle-loading guns?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 22:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• No Problems. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:30am • 00:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Geography of New York

• ... that the geography of New York includes the Adirondack Park (map pictured), the largest publicly protected area in the contiguous United States?

5x expanded by UpstateNYer (talk). Nominated by UpstateNYer (talk) at 21:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article meets criteria. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:00am • 01:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

To me, this does not read right. (I'm in the UK, so this may be a US/UK usage difference.) "Geography" is the study of features in the land - it is not a category of those features. The "geography" of an area does not "include" something. The "correct" version of the hook, to me, would be "... that New York includes the Adirondack Park.." - which is trivial and does not include the article title. I'd be happier with something along the lines of "... that the geography of New York is dominated by farms, forests, rivers, mountains, and lakes...." Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, good point. How about including the Adirondack Mountains which are a major feature and the basis for the park.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The map also is problematic as it includes the Catskill Park as well (I know there's one from that set that shows just the Adirondack Park.

But I agree with the point. So how about...

• • • • ... that the geography of New York is dominated by lakes, forests and two major mountain ranges, with a large city in its southeastern corner? Daniel Case (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Barbara Scherler

• ... that Barbara Scherler of the Deutsche Oper Berlin recorded Bach's Alles nur nach Gottes Willen, BWV 72 with Fritz Werner's Heinrich-Schütz-Chor Heilbronn?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• In the reference for the hook it says she was the Alto for: Les Grandes Cantates de J.S. Bach Vol. 29 Bach Cantatas: Volume 1 it doesn't say she recorded it all in fact it also says: "The list of recordings was compiled by Aryeh Oron (October 2002 - May 2010) Thanks to contributors: Matthias Hansen (June 2009)" It doesn't say that she recorded the whole Alles nur nach Gottes Willen, BMV 72 with Heinrich-Schütz-Chor Heilbronn. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:41am • 00:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• The reference says: Les Grandes Cantates de J.S. Bach Vol. 29 / Bach Cantatas: Volume 1 / Cantata BWV 72 [19:35]. But I replaced it by the more general one for the Werner cantata recordings, showing that Vol. 29 contained BWV 72 and BWV 23. That ref is less specific, it mentions a tenor who appears only in BWV 23, but an easy click shows that. I also added Scherler's bio ref to the hook, saying at the bottom that she sang with Werner BWV 7, BWV 11, BWV 23, BWV 30, BWV 39, BWV 70, BWV 72, BWV 85, BWV 92, BWV 102, BWV 103, BWV 137, BWV 150, BWV 180, BWV 200. I picked 72, because that is the one I expanded, smile. Of course she didn't sing "the whole" cantata but the alto solo. In 1973 the soloist didn't form the choir, as in La Petite Bande (s. below). Much less information is available about recordings of that time than about more recent ones, therefore I am grateful for bach-cantatas' precision. And - as said and accepted in a former discussion here - a recording is a recording. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Barry Endean

• ... that within four months footballer Barry Endean went from playing for an amateur team in a public park to lining up against Manchester United at Old Trafford?

5x expanded by ChrisTheDude (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Hook satisfies DYK criteria. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:46am • 00:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

2003 Twenty20 Cup

• ... that the 2003 Twenty20 Cup included the first-ever Twenty20 cricket match, played between the Hampshire Hawks and the Sussex Sharks?

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• satisfies criteria. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:54am • 00:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Yamaha XV1900

• ... that the Yamaha XV1900 (pictured) is the largest Yamaha V-twin motorcycle in production?

5x expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 18:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Really not a very interesting hook in my opinion. It's difficult to find anything especially eye-catching in the article, but how about;

ALT1 ... that the Yamaha XV1900 (pictured) is the largest Yamaha V-twin motorcycle in production, and a version of it has a 210mm rear tyre that is the widest on any Yamaha motorcycle?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Yes that's better was trying to keep it short - and I've added a picture (taken only yesterday in the showroom) Thanks Thruxton (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Akan Drum

• ... that the British Museum's oldest African-American object is the Akan Drum (pictured) that was used to "dance the slaves"?

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Note: it originally read "an Akan Drum". I think it should be either "an Akan drum" or "the Akan Drum", and I changed it to the latter. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Greyfriars, Bristol

• ... that in 1538, Richard Ingworth reported that the warden of Greyfriars, Bristol was "stiff", continuing "yet for all his great port, I think him twenty marks in debt, and not able to pay it."?

5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• No Problems. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:05am • 01:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Sue Torres

• ... that Mexican cuisine chef Sue Torres' restaurant Sueños was listed in Vogue magazine as "Taster's choice" by critic Jeffrey Steingarten, describing it as "one of the lasting 4 monuments" of 2004?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: In the article, the hook fact is sourced only to the restaurant's own website. Plus the hook is potentially misleading - the restaurant was not the sole winner of some "Taster's choice", but in fact was merely recommended in that category alongside three other restaurants. In any case, is it not possible to find a more eye-catching hook? A restaurant being one of several restaurants praised in a restaurant review, is not really surprising or especially interesting in my opinion. It happens hundreds of times every single day. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I was unaware of that. Where did you find that information? Tommy! 20:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The source (the restaurant's own website) says 'Suenos was listed as in Vogue's "Taster's Choice" 2004 by Jeffery Steingarten as one of the lasting four monuments of 2003'. So I would guess that means that article listed this restaurant and three others. For all we know, Vogue might have listed twenty other restaurants in five other categories in the same issue. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I know the hook isn't my best but I didn't really know how to make it sound interesting... unless you got a suggestion :) Tommy! 21:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Easiest would be to persuade this celebrity chef to do something outrageously surprising or interesting, and then persuade a RS to write about it :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

After reading your comment again, as Jeffrey Steingarten said it was "one of the lasting 4 monuments"... I think that's strong (in a positive way) manner. Jeffrey Steingarten is known for being harsh in his criticism. Tommy! 00:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Russian battleship Sevastopol (1895)

• ... that the Russian battleship Sevastopol was the only ship not salvaged by the Japanese at Port Arthur?

Created by User:Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 17:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Marathon at the Paralympics

• ... that marathon events have been held at the Paralympic Games since 1984?

Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• IPC is the only source used, but that is no problem for DYK, article is well-written. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:18am • 01:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Jody Williams (chef)

• ... that Italian Iron Chef Mario Batali claimed that chef Jody Williams was one of his favorite cooks in the world?

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Note: I'm not sure if it should say "... that chef Jody Williams is one of his favorite cooks in the world? instead. Tommy! 21:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
  • The Iron Chef article is about the original Japanese TV series. I redirected it to its US spinoff Iron Chef America, which is the show on which Batali appears. — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Thank you ! Tommy! 00:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Bowman

• ... that Samuel Bowman was selected to be a bishop in the Episcopal Church three times, but did not accept until the final time in 1858?

Created by Coemgenus (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Please bold eligible article. Gatoclass (talk) 15:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Done Coemgenus 17:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Oxford Castle

• ... that plague broke out during the "Black Assizes" at Oxford Castle, leading to the deaths of the Lord Lieutenant, two knights, eighty gentlemen and the entire grand jury?

5x expanded by Hchc2009 (talk). Nominated by Hchc2009 (talk) at 15:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Aurora mine

• ... that the Aurora mine, located in Beaufort County, North Carolina, is the largest integrated phosphate mining and chemical plant in the world?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 14:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• The source doesn't look reliable, and indeed the website itself states that it cannot be held responsible for the accuracy of the information. Gatoclass (talk) 15:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, per WP:RS press releases are not reliable. Smartse (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Changed the ref. BineMai 16:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The cite says it's the largest integrated phosphate mining and chemical plant in the world, but the article and hook state that it is the largest "integrated phosphate and chemical mining plant in the world", which is not quite the same thing. Gatoclass (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. BineMai 19:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The press release is still used though - it needs to be removed. Smartse (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't remove it from the article i just moved it from the first sentence that matches the hook. Is is ok? BineMai 12:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Where does WP:RS say press releases are not reliable? Gatoclass (talk) 06:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't specifically (it used to and IMO still should) but they are self published so aren't generally considered reliable. Smartse (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, of self published sources the guideline states that it's okay to use them so long as they are not unduly self-serving. This hardly seems to me a self-serving statement. Gatoclass (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Fair point, I'm more used to dealing with very self serving press releases. The hook is verified. Smartse (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League

• ... that the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League, which is the Ivy League's predecessor, was founded by Basketball Hall of Famer Ralph Morgan?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 14:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Ankara Güvercinlik Army Air Base

• ... that Turkish Army's Güvercinlik Air Base was the first civil airport of Ankara that served as such from 1933 until 1955?

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 14:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for the article and hook all appear ok, though I was unable to get a translation of the source that most explicitly supports the hook. Any English language sources that would support the hook would be wonderful additions. The wording of the hook ought to be tweaked, because as currently worded it was the first civil airport for a 22-year period. What it probably should say is something like ALT1 "that the Turkish Army's Güvercinlik Air Base was the first civil airport in Ankara when it opened in 1933 and it served as the city's main airport until 1955?" or something of that order. Alansohn (talk) 18:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Game of Peter Rabbit

• ... that Beatrix Potter registered The Game of Peter Rabbit at Stationers' Hall before the game board or the rules had been perfected?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 13:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Isn't this article about a game that was never sold or perfected? This game was eventually marketed after the rules, the title and the games designer had changed. Victuallers (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

James M. Cantor

• ... that James M. Cantor is gay?

Created by Crusio (talk). Nominated by Christopher Connor (talk) at 13:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• DYK hooks have to be based on unusual or interesting facts. There's nothing particularly unusual or interesting about someone being gay. Please submit an alt hook. Gatoclass (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Gatoclass is right, but there is plenty of material for suitable hooks in that article. Such as...

• (ALT1) ... that James M. Cantor is an expert in sex?
• (ALT2) ... that sexologist James M. Cantor found that male pedophiles have significantly less white matter in their brains than control subjects?
• (ALT3) ... that James M. Cantor received a PhD for his work on reversing antidepressant Prozac-induced sexual dysfunction in male rats?
• (ALT4) ... that James M. Cantor has spoken of the challenges of being a gay graduate student?
• (ALT5) ... that sexologist James M. Cantor has disputed the claims of shemales who say they do not seek sex reassignment surgery?

Just a few suggestions... EdChem (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd go with ALT2 which I've verified. Smartse (talk) 17:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree with that. One or two of the others are viable but are not expanded upon in the article at all, so the brain study is the obvious candidate. I have struck the other hooks accordingly for clarity. Gatoclass (talk) 18:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 would also be my first choice, thought I like the hookiness of ALT1. However, I do think we should wait for some input from the article creator and/or the nominator. Perhaps they will see something else beyond what I suggested, or have other ideas - a hook the mentions the lower IQ results of pedophiles, for example, or looks at his gay activism. They might even have a different perspective on the "viability" of hooks. EdChem (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll drop the nom a note. Smartse (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps a better hook is the following. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• (ALT6) ... that James M. Cantor, a gay psychologist who has done research on pedophiles, says it is shown that "there is absolutely no association between being a gay man and being a pedophile"?
• (ALT7) ... that James M. Cantor is part of an activist minority in mental health seeking to legitimize hebephilia as a psychiatric disorder?

Source is Karen Franklin, "Hebephilia: Quintessence of diagnostic pretextuality," cited in article [1]. Quote: "[Ray] Blanchard and James Cantor serve together on the editorial board of the journal that published the study. Thus, the CAMH group is poised to exert tremendous influence over the revision process for the DSM-5 sexual disorders and, by extension, the shape of forensic diagnosis of sex offenders for some time to come. ...Such legal skirmishes over the validity of hebephilia lend an air of urgency to attempts by an activist minority in the mental health field to legitimize it as a bona fide psychiatric disorder." Few people know what hebephilia is, but the proposed diagnosis will suddenly classify millions of new people as mentally disordered. It's certainly the most interesting DYK fact, and a little shorter than others proposed. Jokestress (talk) 02:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Yours needs to be attributed to be more correct: has been characterised as part... Mine has a nice ring to it. Christopher Connor (talk) 03:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not keen on either of these alts, and I still think ALT2 is a pretty interesting hook - which has the added advantage of being expanded upon in the article where the other alts are not. Gatoclass (talk) 06:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Describing Cantor as a "gay" psychologist in ALT6 seems gratuitous to me - his sexuality is irrelevant to any description of the research. Further, I think ALT6's description is less interesting than ALT2's. The lack of association between homosexuality and pedophilia is widely known amongst scientifically educated people; findings that pedophiles have significantly reduced white matter seems to be an important research finding with substantial implications. Remember that what is sought here is the hook most likely to trigger sufficient situational interest to induce readers to click the link and examine the article. I remain of the opinion that ALT2 is the most effective in this regard. EdChem (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't create the article so my opinion here doesn't count for much. Perhaps the creator, Crusio, would care to weigh in? Christopher Connor (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• (unindent) When I created this stub, I apparently unwittingly stirred up a hornet's nest and the article seems to have become a battleground for people having a beef with Cantor. ALT2 seems to be the only thing in the article that is both reliably sourced and not (too) contentious and it also seems to be the thing that makes Cantor most notable. --Crusio (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'd urge caution about putting this on the main page, per BLP. Crusio created the article in good faith, but Cantor is a scientist who works in a contentious area, and people with strong views about him have been editing the article and talk page, with the subject asking on talk that they abide by the content policies. Given that the article has the potential to be professionally damaging, and it's not clear that it's balanced enough (no fault of Crusio's), it's unwise to expose it to the main page. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 11:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Well, no hurry. We can give them a few days to sort their differences out, if there are still unresolved issues by the time this makes it to the bottom of the page we can review the situation then. Gatoclass (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Sanjeevaiah Park

• ... that the Pied Crested Cuckoo (pictured), which is considered as a harbinger of the monsoon season due to the timing of its arrival, is frequently spotted at Hyderabad's Sanjeevaiah Park?

5x expanded by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• AGF verified, image verified as CCA. Gatoclass (talk) 16:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Ruck machine gun post

• ... that Ruck machine gun posts were built from prefabricated sections, paving slabs, sandbags and rammed earth?

Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 12:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Note: moved from user space to main space today. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 12:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Good Times Roll

• ... that for the 1999 reissue of The Cars' 1978 debut album, no usable demo of their single "Good Times Roll" could be found?

5x expanded by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 06:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Mycena acicula, Mycena adonis, Mycena adscendens, Mycena cinerella, Mycena flavoalba, Mycena galopus, Mycena polygramma, Mycena sanguinolenta, Mycena stylobates, Mycena vitilis

• ... that bonnets may be orange (pictured), scarlet, frosty, mealy, ivory, grooved, snapping, milking, bleeding, or bulbous?

• Comment: All articles except for the newly-created Mycena stylobates are 5x expansions. Hook should be easily verifiable by checking the document "Recommended English Names for Fungi in the UK" (linked in all articles), and confirming that the common names used here are valid. Thanks!

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Mycena adscendens comes up only at 4.15x expansion for me. (620 B before, 2575 B after) It need 525 B added. The others are all 5x or more except the newly created article., and I did verify the common names are all correctly stated. Imzadi 1979 → 05:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Mycena adscendens has been expanded enough. Imzadi 1979 → 06:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for checking. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Heidenmauer

• ... that in The Heidenmauer James Fenimore Cooper employed the narrator's commentary to deliberately examine the darker sides of European society and aristocracy?

Created by Sadads (talk). Nominated by Self (talk) at 05:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Someone with access to jstor might like to review this one. Gatoclass (talk) 16:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

SMS Kronprinz (1914)

• ... that the German battleship SMS Kronprinz was the only to escape damage at the Battle of Jutland on 31 May – 1 June 1916?

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion and hook are good, but it should be nominated in section expanded on September 23. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Jack Kershaw

• ... that attorney Jack Kershaw created an equestrian sculpture of Confederate Army general and KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest in 1998, arguing that "somebody needs to say a good word for slavery"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 25

Windhoek Show

• ... that the Windhoek Show was first held in 1899, when South-West Africa was still a colony of Imperial Germany?

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 09:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Alba Cathedral

• ... that excavations at Alba Cathedral uncovered an ancient baptistery redesigned as a burial place?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 03:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Charmaine Tavares

• ... that Maui's present Mayor Charmaine Tavares is the daughter of Maui's longest serving mayor, Hannibal Tavares?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The Crusader (album), Dreaming (Scribe song)

• ... that all three singles from Scribe's debut album, The Crusader, including "Dreaming"/"So Nice", were double A-sides?

5x expanded by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Note:The Crusader (album) was 5x expanded on 25 September, and Dreaming (Scribe song) was created on 27 September.

Schwarzenegger v. Entertainment Merchants Association

• ... that the plaintiffs' amicus brief to the courts in Schwarzenegger v. Entertainment Merchants Association (Arnold Schwarzenegger pictured) argues that Super Mario Bros. is a violent video game?

Created by BluWik (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 19:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Portrait of Maud Cook

• ... that the suggestion of repressed sexuality in Thomas Eakins' Portrait of Maud Cook (pictured) has been seen as both intriguing and disturbing?

Created by JNW (talk). Nominated by Mandarax (talk) at 18:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Tom Johnson (American football)

• ... that Michigan's All-American 60-minute man Tom Johnson was the second African-American player for the Green Bay Packers?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified. Offline reference on him being second AGF.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Bernard Carvalho

• ... that Bernard Carvalho, the current Mayor of Kauai, was drafted by the Miami Dolphins after graduating from the University of Hawaii?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Scanlan (talk) at 23:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Sampi

• ... that the archaic Greek letter Sampi (ϡ) has also been called san, enacosis, angma, sincope, charaktir, or even parakyisma, which literally means "spurious pregnancy"?

Old article, expanded (2,500 chars > 30,000 chars [2] by Fut.Perf.. Self-nom. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Maria Brontë

• ... that according to Elizabeth Gaskell, Maria Brontë was the inspiration for the character of Helen Burns in Jane Eyre?

Created by Clementina (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook verified. However, I would advise modifying the hook to "that according to Elizabeth Gaskell, Maria Brontë inspired the character of Helen Burns in Jane Eyre?" which is more concise. Protector of Wiki (talk) 05:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• PoW, I would strongly suggest per your talk page that you stop stalking Clementina (talk · contribs). Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• As I said on my profile, if MY edits are improvements, why should she be uncomfortable? We're all here to improve the encyclopedia. Are we not? Protector of Wiki (talk) 05:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Chamelaucium, Eriostemon australasius

• ... that the wax flowers of eastern Australia are members of the citrus family, while those from the west are of the myrtle family?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), Poyt448 (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Medieval invasions of Britain

• ... that the Great Heathen Army that invaded Dark Ages England was led by brothers who took personal revenge on an English king for the murder of their father?

• ALT1:... that England was invaded by the French in 1216?
• ALT2:... that Scottish soldiers invaded England in 1513 but were defeated in the Battle of Flodden?

Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: This really isn't ready for DYK yet in my opinion. However, I am going to help do some improvement on the article and the hook, perhaps other reviewers with historical interests could help too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• I've fixed some of the problems, article/hook will need review by someone else. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Matt Bischoff

• ... that during his time on Purdue University's baseball team, pitcher Matt Bischoff broke the school's single-season and career strikeout records?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 01:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Jo Andrews

• ... that after working as an ITN political correspondent, Jo Andrews became a director of the Rausing Trust?

Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 23:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Alternative suggestions very welcome. TheRetroGuy (talk) 23:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Anastas Byku

• ... that 19th century publicist Anastas Byku held that the Albanians were descendants of the Pelasgians and the Illyrians?

Created by Aigest (talk). Nominated by Sulmues (talk) at 23:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Beth Courtney

• ... that under Beth Courtney, as president of Louisiana Public Broadcasting, the network produced the documentary Uncle Earl, about former Governor Earl Kemp Long?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that the National D-Day Museum honored Beth Courtney, president of Louisiana Public Broadcasting, for a three-hour tribute to World War II veterans in Louisiana?

Elias Abel House

• ... that the Elias Abel House (pictured) is the best-preserved historic I-house in Bloomington, Indiana?

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 21:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment I'm somewhat colorblind, so I can't be sure if the house is red or brown: if it's brown, please fix the alt and rollover texts. Nyttend (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Werner Güra

• ... that tenor Werner Güra recorded with Harnoncourt and the Arnold Schoenberg Chor in the Musikverein Bach's cantata Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir, BWV 29?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Batra mine

• ... that the Batra mine located in Albania produced between 1967 and 2006 a total of 5,561,000 tonnes of chromium ore?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 16:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• I don't see why this hook would be considered especially interesting or eye-catching to readers (presumably the purpose of a chromium mine is to produce lots of chromium), in addition to which the article only has a single source, and that single source is the Albanian government, which actually owned and operated the mine for most of the period in question. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes the purpose of a chromium mine is to produce chromium but i thought this might be interesting keeping in mind that this is a mine from a small fairly undeveloped country which used its own capital to exploit it without the help of large domestic or foreign companies and if you do the math you will see that it produced roughly 140,000 tonnes of ore per year which was more than 1% of the world's annual production. BineMai 11:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

yes i agree with that --Vinie007 16:57, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Cumming (Royal Navy officer)

• ... that in 1843 Lieutenant Arthur Cumming (pictured) and seven men successfully captured a slave ship with a 27-man crew?

• ALT1:... that a man impersonating Admiral Sir Arthur Cumming (pictured) stole 100,000 francs (£330,000 in modern terms) of jewellery in 1888?
• ALT2:... that during the Crimean War, Captains Arthur Cumming (pictured) and Astley Cooper Key took control of the town of Libau with just 110 men, without firing a shot?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Coral Sea, Aipysurus duboisii

• ... that at least seventeen species of sea snake (example pictured) live in the Coral Sea, of which one has the most toxic venom in the world?

• Comment: The hook is in "Fauna" (5th paragraph) in the Coral Sea. this ref. is to confirm that the pictured sea snake (sea krait is subspecies of sea snakes) lives in the Coral Sea, and this is the ref. for 17 species (Great Coral Reef is a part of the Coral Sea).

Created/expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 13:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• I've reorganised the hook to improve the readability. (review on the way). Smartse (talk) 16:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, I've changed the hook though because the refs say it is the most toxic venom, but this doesn't necessarily make it the most poisonous snake, as other snakes could just inject more venom - see Vespa luctuosa which is also here at the moment. Can you fix the couple of queries I've added as hidden notes in the Coral Sea article? Smartse (talk) 17:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

  Thanks. Addressed your queries. Yes, its venom, I just wasn't sure how do they count "most poisonous", as the dose should vary between individuals. I re-added "at least" - there are 17 on the Great Barrier Reef, I think I saw some (questionable) refs saying there are a bit more in the sea. Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ottoman–Mamluk War (1516–1517)

• ... that the Ottoman–Mamluk War of 1516–1517 (map pictured) gave the Ottoman Empire control of Syria, Egypt and most of the Arabian Peninsula?

Created by Per Honor et Gloria (talk). Nominated by Per Honor et Gloria (talk) at 08:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good piece of work. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Bangladesh-Bhutan relations

• ... that Bhutan was one of the first countries in the world to recognize the independence of Bangladesh in 1971?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 03:48, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Vinnie Doyle

• ... that Vinnie Doyle was editor of the Irish Independent for 24 years?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Sourcing and length for article and hook have been verified. The proposed hook is a bit ordinary, and I would propose ALT1 "that Vinnie Doyle, one of the longest-serving editors in the newspaper business in Ireland, was editor of the Irish Independent for 24 years?" or some variant thereof that places the hook in greater context. Alansohn (talk) 15:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Veal and ham pie

• ... that a veal and ham pie is a critical plot element in Beatrix Potter's The Tale of the Pie and the Patty-Pan?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 01:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Cruschedula

• ... that when first described, the extinct bird Cruschedula was thought to be a "dry-land" penguin?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on September 24

Saint-Augustin, Côte-Nord, Quebec

• ... that the majority of the inhabitants of Saint-Augustin in Quebec, Canada, are Métis, descendents of Inuit and Europeans?

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Nominated by P199 (talk) at 17:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Fabio Campana

• ... that following the London premiere of Fabio Campana's opera Esmeralda in 1870, The Saturday Review pronounced it "irredeemably bad"?

• ALT1:... that Fabio Campana's first opera, Caterina di Guisa premiered while he was still a student?
• ALT2:... that Verdi's future wife Giuseppina Strepponi (pictured) sang the title role in the premiere of Fabio Campana's opera, Caterina di Guisa?

• Comment: The image applies to ALT2 only. The article uses shortened footnote format for the citations. See the Sources section for full bibliographic information and links to the sources.

5x expanded by Voceditenore (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Paul Isenberg, Albert Spencer Wilcox, Albert Spencer Wilcox Building, Abner Wilcox

• ... that the Kauaʻi Museum is housed in a building named for Albert Spencer Wilcox (son of missionary Abner Wilcox), and its first manager was granddaughter of businessman Paul Isenberg?

• ALT1:... that a granddaughter of German businessman Paul Isenberg was the first manager of the Kauaʻi Museum (pictured)?
• ALT2:... that Hawaiian sugar plantation owner Albert Spencer Wilcox was son of missionary teacher Abner Wilcox?
• Comment: single quadruple hook, or two doubles if that is too much

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 20:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Classical School

• ... that the Alexander Classical School building (pictured), now Alexander, New York, town hall, is one of the few three-story cobblestone buildings?

• ALT1:... that the Alexander Classical School building (pictured), now Alexander, New York, town hall, is one of the few cobblestone structures originally built as a school?
• ALT2:... that the Alexander Classical School building (pictured), now Alexander, New York, town hall, is the only cobblestone building in North America used as a town hall?

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 15:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• The source cited says "It is the largest cobblestone structure in North America constructed for educational purposes. It is the only known cobble stone building utilized as a town hall in North America, as well as one of the few cobblestone structures originally designed for public purposes." The source mentions that it is three stories tall, but doesn't say what the original hook claims that "one of the few three-story cobblestone buildings". As to ALT1, the source doesn't say make any claim regarding the number of schools built using cobblestone architecture. For ALT2, the source says the building is the only such building on the continent "used for governmental purposes" while the source simply says it's the continent's only cobblestone town hall. The sourcing and length of the article are fine, and there is definitely a strong hook here, but I think some rewording may be necessary to better match the source provided. Alansohn (talk) 15:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The source for the three-story claim is the NRHP nom, not the town's history page (which might be a little suspect anyway as a self-serving source). I think that's also the source for ALT1, too. I have reworded ALT2. I also had an ALT3 which, apparently, didn't come out since the template doesn't support that, but I may add it later. Daniel Case (talk) 21:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Coffee production in Papua New Guinea

• ... that coffee production in Papua New Guinea (pictured coffee bags) slumped by 23 percent in 2000?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 09:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 13:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length date and reference for hook check out. The hook's not terribly "gripping", but still better than many others that have passed. Nice article. Voceditenore (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Old Christ Church, Waterloo

• ... that although the competition for designing Old Christ Church, Waterloo, Merseyside, (pictured), was won by a different firm of architects, Paley, Austin and Paley were commissioned to build it?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 13:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length date and reference for hook check out. Voceditenore (talk) 16:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Jagiellonian tapestries

• ... that the Jagiellonian tapestries (pictured) became state property of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth by the testament of King Sigismund II Augustus?

Created by BurgererSF (talk) 10:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 10:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Offline source AGFThelmadatter (talk) 00:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

George E. Hearn

• ... that the psychologist George E. Hearn, as a graduate student at Baylor University, did experiments and research for the American space program?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that George E. Hearn was the first licensed industrial psychologist in his native Louisiana?

William M. Hanley

• ... that Oregon cattle baron Bill Hanley died in 1935 while attending the Pendleton Round-Up following a day designated by Round-Up organizers as Bill Hanley Day?

• Comment: Hook source is Oregon History Project.

Created by Orygun (talk). Nominated by Orygun (talk) at 03:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

The Fabian Strategy (30 Rock)

• ... that in the season premiere episode of the fifth season of the television comedy series 30 Rock, the Jack Donaghy character makes reference to the Fabian strategy?

Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 23:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

John Callan (judge)

• ... that Catholic judge John Callan (pictured) considered resigning after Pope Pius XII talked about judges' duties with respect to divorce cases?

Created by Rick570 (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• I've added another photo. It's a cropped version of the first one and is square, which might lend itself better for the homepage. Schwede66 00:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Barford Court, Hove

• ... that eccentric tycoon Ian Stuart Millar's seafront home (pictured) in Hove, England, was built of specially commissioned handmade bricks—the leftovers of which were reputedly buried elsewhere in Hove?

• Comment: 200 chars with (pictured) ... but better hook wording is welcomed.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• article and hook length have been verified, offline source is accepted in good faith. Note that DYKcheck excludes the word "(pictured)" and counts the hook as being190 characters. Alansohn (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

St Mary's Church, Elsing

• ... that St Mary's Church, Elsing (pictured) has, according to Nikolaus Pevsner, "the most sumptuous of all English church brasses"?

Created by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out but the direct quote in the article about the brasses being sumptuous needs an inline cite. Voceditenore (talk) 16:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I have moved the relevant ref. immediately behind the quote.--Charles (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

OK now. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. Nice article! Voceditenore (talk) 16:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Erasmo Ramírez (right-handed pitcher)

• ... that professional baseball player Erasmo Ramírez was named the pitcher of the year for the Seattle Mariners minor league organization in 2009?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 18:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Dan Tyler Moore

• ... that U.S. Army officer Dan Tyler Moore, an aide to and sparring partner of Theodore Roosevelt, struck the President in the eye, causing him to lose sight in that eye?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 20:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Sourcing and length for article and hook have been verified. The item from The New York Times supporting the hook was quite interesting to read. Alansohn (talk) 18:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

The Cosmic Landscape

• ... that The Cosmic Landscape by Leonard Susskind is mainly about "the scientific explanations of the apparent miracles of physics and cosmology and its philosophical implications?"

Created by Derild4921 (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Roddon

• ... that Benwick High Street pictured in Cambridgeshire, is built on a rodham, which is one of the alternate spellings for roddon; an East Anglia term for an old watercourse?

• ALT1:... that rodham is one of three alternate spellings for roddon; an East Anglian word for the old course of a river?
• ALT2:... that a silted-up old river bed is called a rodham in East Anglia?

Created by Senra (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Tivoli Friheden

• ... that Tivoli Friheden (pictured) is an amusement park located in Aarhus, Denmark?

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 19:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is in no way interesting or eye-catching (despite there being some very interesting historical background to the establishment that could have been used!), the only source for the article is the establishment's own website, and the article contains promotional blurb like, "For the visitors the park is like a zone of permanent free time." --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Also it's still marked as a stub. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Because the articles on fr-wiki and da-wiki are not well referenced, but I think I found a something:

ALT1 ... that Tivoli Friheden (pictured), an amusement park in Aarhus, has themed rock with runic scripture? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Query - is there a requirement that DYK articles can't be stubs? Schwede66 22:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Apparently they are, by definition, not stubs - discussed here --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The proposed ALT1 hook is sourced only to a personal blog - definitely not a RS. The entire second half of the "History" section has no citations at all. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'll try to find another hook. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

British and Colonial Films

• ... that The Battle of Waterloo, made in five days in 1913 at a cost of £1800 by British and Colonial Films, has been called "the first British epic film"?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 18:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

"* Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 20:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Stephen Varcoe

• ... that bass-baritone Stephen Varcoe recorded Bach cantatas with the Monteverdi Choir, including Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme, BWV 140?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Another nice article. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Speakers' Corner, Singapore

• ALT 1: ... that people making speeches at Speakers' Corner in Singapore (pictured) must use one of Singapore's four official languages – English, Malay, Mandarin or Tamil – or a related dialect?

• ALT 2: ... that participants in demonstrations at Speakers' Corner in Singapore (pictured) must be either citizens or permanent residents?

• ALT 3: ... that Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong, who was Prime Minister of Singapore when Speakers' Corner (pictured) was set up ten years ago, has said the venue is "mostly dormant but good to have"?

5x expanded by Lee Huimin (talk), Libing.tan.2008 (talk), Redefreiheit (talk), Viknesh2010 (talk), and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 16:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

The expanded article was worked on in a sandbox and moved into the article namespace on 24 September 2010. — SMUconlaw (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Kirklees Priory

• ... that the Cistercian nunnery of Kirklees Priory was involved in scandal between 1306 and 1315 and is the supposed site of Robin Hood's grave?

Created/expanded by J3Mrs (talk). Self nom at 15:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Everything looks good but may I suggest a shorter and punchier hook (much like yours):--NortyNort (Holla) 12:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the Kirklees Priory in West Yorkshire is the supposed site of Robin Hood's grave?

• If you think its's better, fine by me :-)--J3Mrs (talk) 13:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Ok, verified.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Mothers of the Disappeared

• ... that U2 wrote the song "Mothers of the Disappeared" about the Madres de Plaza de Mayo, whose children disappeared during the Dirty War?

5x expanded by Melicans (talk). Self nom at 15:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good. Perhaps U2 should be linked. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Done. Melicans (talk, contributions) 13:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hold On! (film)

• ... that in the movie Hold On!, the children of American astronauts choose "Herman's Hermits" as the name of the next NASA space capsule?

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 14:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing of article and hook have been verified. Can I suggest adding the year that the film was made and clarify the hook as ALT1 "that in the 1966 movie Hold On!, the children of American astronauts choose to name a NASA space capsule after the British band Herman's Hermits?" or some variation thereof. Alansohn (talk) 15:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, I endorse ALT1 as more clearly and elegantly making the point. - Dravecky (talk) 22:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Clarence River Light

• ... that Clarence River Light, a lighthouse in Yamba, New South Wales, Australia, was built in 1955, replacing a previous lighthouse built in 1880?

Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Offline reference excepted in good faith. Joe Chill (talk) 23:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Javad Alizadeh

• ... that Iranian cartoonist Javad has created a scientific/philosophical cartoon on relativity theory titled 4D Humor (pictured)?

Created by Farhikht (talk). Nominated by Farhikht (talk) at 13:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• What is "a humor"? It is both in the hook and article. You need to find the correct word in English before this hook can be passed. Ericoides 14:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply on your talk page.Farhikht (talk) 14:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

My answer is on yours. Ericoides 14:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Can someone else check this? I've become a bit too involved with it. Thanks, Ericoides 15:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Mirna Bridge

• ... that the 1,378-metre (4,521 ft) Mirna Bridge is the longest bridge on the Croatian A9 motorway (pictured)?

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 12:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• The article doesn't contain the claim ("the longest bridge on the A9") in the hook. Ericoides 13:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
• Guys, at least take a brief look at your articles before submitting here. Not only does it not contain the hook, there's broken non-breaking spaces and {{convert}} templates inside, it's a bit of a mess... — Toдor Boжinov — 14:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry about that. Fixed that and added more. Won't do two things at a time any more... promise.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• It's alright, just don't forget to do a quick overall check before submitting here :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 10:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Can you point out where in ref2 the "longest bridge" claim is made so we can at least check it in google translate? It would be ideal if you could add a quote to the ref and translate it as well. Smartse (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

On the second thought I cannot. The text says it is the most significant and only implies that it is the longest. Perhaps Alt 1 would be better, or should this be dropped altogether?--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that piers of the 1,378-metre (4,521 ft) Mirna Bridge on the Croatian A9 motorway were designed to support a concave deck in order to reduce weight of the bridge (pictured)?

Note: In ALT1 case the claim is referenced by ref#3: "Udubljena je krivina odabrana s namjerom da se smanje visine stupova (slika 43.), jer je tlo u dolini iznimno male nosivosti. Iz istih je razloga rasponski sklop odabran tako da bude što lakši" [A concave curve was selected with intention to reduce height of the piers (fig 43), since soil in the valley has exceptionally low load bearing capacity. For the same reason, superstructure type was selected to be as lightweight as possible]--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Sophia Fresh

• ... that girl group Sophia Fresh's debut single, "What It Is", impressed Rihanna so much that she wished the song was hers?

5x expanded by Cornucopia (talk). Self nom at 08:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Please note that previous revisions, although possibly containing more text, were in my sandbox and contained junk from the original, deleted version. Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 08:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing of article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 15:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

NGC 3109

• ... that NGC 3109 (pictured) might be the smallest spiral galaxy in the Local Group?

5x expanded by Reyk (talk). Self nom at 05:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Neuilly sa mère !

• ... that the 2009 French comedy Neuilly sa mère ! revisits themes of social inequality that were explored in the 1988 French comedy Life is a Long Quiet River?

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• (the comparison between the two films is made in refs 1–3.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• A translation of the title in the intro would be handy. Are you planning on expanding the Reception section? Gatoclass (talk) 17:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oops, thanks for the reminder. I meant to add a brief paragraph about the title (as it's idiomatic and hard to translate directly) and totally forgot; I'll try to put one together today. As for the reception section, I am waiting on one or two newspapers reviews and will try to add a bit from them once I've got them. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• In that case, it might be best to leave reviewing this until you've added the new material or given up trying. Just leave a note here when you've done so. Gatoclass (talk) 06:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the space between mère and the exclamation mark be removed? Or is that a French punctuation convention? — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 09:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep, French punctuation convention. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Gato: I added one review (the one from Le Monde I'm still waiting on, the library seems to be taking its time and I don't feel like paying €3 for a subscription) and went ahead and removed the {{expand-section}} tag. The reviews section is still not long, but the need for expansion isn't urgent either. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

George Munroe

• ... that George Munroe is a retired American professional basketball player, Navy veteran, Rhodes scholar, lawyer, and former CEO of Phelps Dodge Corporation?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 02:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, I wikilink'd NBA in there.--NortyNort (Holla) 08:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Nui Le

• ... that the Battle of Nui Le was the last major battle fought by the Australian army during the Vietnam War?

5x expanded by Newm30 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Added "?" to hook. Hook (in lead) not cited. A few other sentences aren't cited as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Provided cites in lead as per request. Newm30 (talk) 08:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Ok, looks good, AGF on the offline source.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 23

Thomas Erskine, 9th Earl of Kellie

• ... that a new fortune made as a merchant in Gothenburg enabled Thomas Erskine (later 9th Earl of Kellie) to buy back Cambo House, a property forfeited because of his family's Jacobite sympathies? New article. --Hegvald (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Larry Taylor, 2004 Motor City Bowl, 2007 Meineke Car Care Bowl

• ... that Larry Taylor returned a punt for a touchdown in each of the Connecticut Huskies football team's first two bowl games: the 2004 Motor City Bowl and the 2007 Meineke Car Care Bowl?

5x expanded by Grondemar (talk). Self nom at 05:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• I just added a third 5x expansion article, Larry Taylor (gridiron football), to this proposed DYK hook. –Grondemar 04:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

David Bushnell (historian)

• ... that historian David Bushnell introduced the study of the history of Colombia in American academic circles?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook ref verified. Rewrote hook to reflect source. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Maria Esperanza de Bianchini

• ... that Maria Esperanza de Bianchini, a Venezuelan Servant of God, was witnessed levitating during mass and engaging in bilocation?

Created by Mamalujo (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• "Reportedly witnessed" or some similar construction would be appropriate here. Exceptional claims require exceptional evidence. Gatoclass (talk) 17:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

ADEOS I

• ... that the NASDA satellite ADEOS I (launch pictured) malfunctioned less than a year in orbit – a fate repeated by its successor six years later?

Created by User:Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, source for hook, and picture all check out. Nice article. Reyk _YO! 06:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Marty Amsler

• ... that throughout Marty Amsler's entire NFL career he played in 37 games but never started a single one?

Created by Rockfang (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• The article meets the bare minimum in terms of size and is backed by appropriate sources but offers little more than translating into words the statistics of a football player who accomplished little of note during his brief NFL career. The hook is rather matter of fact, as well. Can anyone else take a look at this and see if we should approve this? Alansohn (talk) 16:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• I've expanded the article a bit. It is up to 2,229B in readable prose. I'm open to alternate hooks. How about:

ALT 1: ... that Marty Amsler was the first University of Evansville graduate to be drafted into the National Football League? --Rockfang (talk) 20:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• The expansion makes this more of an article, and length and sourcing have been verified. While both the original and ALT1 are accurate, I would prefer ALT1 as being far more interesting. Alansohn (talk) 03:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Devils Brigade (album)

• ... that the Devils Brigade's self-titled album featured X drummer DJ Bonebrake and contributions from Rancid's Lars Frederiksen?

Created by IllaZilla (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the "Devils Brigade" started on the Golden Gate Bridge and went halfway to hell? (Possible Halloween DYK? Could delete the halfway to hell bit, it's a bit of a stretch from one of the song titles) Le Deluge (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Halloween alt ... that the "Devils Brigade" was concieved to tell of 19 men who went halfway to hell? - works for me and has refs Victuallers (talk) 15:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Military campaigns of Julius Caesar

• ... that the Gallic Wars was Julius Caesar's first military campaign?

• ALT1:... that after Julius Caesar's civil war military campaign, he planned to distribute land to about 15,000 of his veterans?

Created by RomanHistorian (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that according to Plutarch, Rome's opponents in the Gallic Wars, part of the military campaigns of Julius Caesar, suffered one million dead and another million taken into slavery?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3:... that Julius Caesar's military campaigns drove the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire?RomanHistorian (talk) 07:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

America's Finest City Half Marathon

• ... that Oprah Winfrey completed the America's Finest City Half Marathon in 1993, running under a pseudonym and accompanied by a bodyguard, a trainer, and a video crew?

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by MelanieN (talk) at 00:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 16:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Puszcza Piska

• ... that the most valuable biosphere reserve in Puszcza Piska forest of the Masuria region, Poland, is the home of the Mute Swan (pictured)?

Created by Babia Góra (talk). Self nom at 16:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

James Eccles

• ... that James Eccles made the first ascent of the second-highest summit (pictured) in the Alps ninety years after the first ascent of the highest?

Created by Ericoides (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:57, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Charles Fitzroy Doll

• ... that British architect Charles Fitzroy Doll's design for the dining room for the Hotel Russell in London was also later used on the RMS Titanic?

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Nominated by Jack1956 (talk) at 14:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• article and hook length are fine and source is accepted in good faith. Alansohn (talk) 03:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes

• ... that when the episodes of the anime Cardcaptor Sakura premiered on Kids' WB in North America, the first broadcast episode was the eighth?

• ALT1:... that when the anime Cardcaptor Sakura premiered on Kids' WB in North America, the first broadcast episode was the eighth?

5x expanded by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 08:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• I think the wording of the hook sounds contrived. Normally you wouldn't say that "the episodes" premiered, but that the show premiered. I think it would be better with the word "episodes" removed, and then linking to the list from the later use of "episode". Here is what I would suggest: ... that when the anime Cardcaptor Sakura premiered on Kids' WB in North America, the first broadcast episode was the eighth? Calathan (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the suggestion; I'll add it as an alternative.--十八 21:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Petra Noskaiová

• ... that mezzo-soprano Petra Noskaiová recorded alto parts with La Petite Bande in Bach cantatas such as Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen, BWV 12?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is good, but the article has only 1193 characters in prose. Please expand the article. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 10:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• I did. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
• Long enough. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Chord Overstreet

• ... that actor and musician Chord Overstreet was named after the musical term of the same name?

Created by Yvesnimmo (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 02:08, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length, cite, and date check out. Very good job. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Ji-Man Choi

• ... that professional baseball player Ji-Man Choi won the Arizona League Most Valuable Player Award after the 2010 season?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Sourcing and length for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 03:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Dead Timber State Recreation Area

• ... that according to local legend Dead Timber State Recreation Area in Nebraska is named for the "dead timbers" that were left over after a wildfire?

Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 00:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length and cite all check out. Very interesting story. Good job! --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

List of celebrity guest appearances on Neighbours

• ... that André Rieu's guest appearance in the Australian soap opera Neighbours was named the weirdest ever storyline in an online poll?

• ALT1:... that musician Lily Allen made a guest appearance on Australian soap opera Neighbours in 2009?

5x expanded by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• IMO the Andre Rieu thing is very dubious. I found the ref on the Digital Spy site, but that article refers to a LastBroadcast poll but without any link - I searched LastBroadcast and can find no evidence of this poll. I'd personally question that this should even be in the article, much less used for a DYK. Just naming someone as having made a guest appearance (like the Lily Allen one) seems to lack a bit of interest in itself - can you make it someone that did something interesting or noteworthy in their guest appearance perhaps? --jjron (talk) 10:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 2:... that writer and broadcaster Clive James made a guest appearance in the Australian soap opera Neighbours as a postman?

• ALT 3:... that comedian Greg Fleet's guest appearance in the Australian soap opera Neighbours, saw him hit popular character Daphne Clarke (Elaine Smith) with his car? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 12:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I just found the Last Broadcast poll. :) - JuneGloom07 Talk? 12:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

for the Clive James one (ALT 2). I'm new to DYK so not sure if I'm actually allowed to give the tick, but this seems to check out now (if not can someone drop me a note on my talkpage). Fair enough re the poll, still I find using a random webpoll as the basis of a DYK a bit unconvincing. The Clive James thing seems more like what I was thinking - reasonably well known beyond just Australia, and played a slightly peculiar role (you could even add in that he was 'mute' (from the Hardy article - though I'd say in real terms more like a non-speaking role)). I love the Fleety one - actually wondered why that wasn't there when I first checked the article - but TBH I think it'd be more accurate to call his appearance in the late-80s more that of B-grade extra than a 'guest appearance' (look if he had have been reprising his famous 'Delivery Man 2' role from Prisoner say, then maybe... ;) - I also added in the article that this incident lead to Daphne's death, which her article also mentions, but without a specific ref). Well done. --jjron (talk) 11:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Church of All Souls, Bolton

• ... that the nave of the Church of All Souls, Bolton, Greater Manchester (pictured) contains no pillars, making it one of the widest unsupported parish churches in England?

5x expanded by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion, date and ref check out. Ericoides 06:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Date and expansion length work out, and the image is good. The current hook is unsatisfactory, though. The source says that the builders "came up with a design for one on the widest unsupported parish churches in England". But that was in the 1870s. Is it still "one of the widest"? Well, of course it is, because that's a vague term. But I think we need a new hook. Maybe something about crocketed pinnacles, but that statement isn't currently supported. StAnselm (talk) 06:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I've amended the text and offer an alternative hook. Every other notable church in England seems to have crocketted pinnacles, so that's not a particularly good hook. Most Gothic Revival churches were built with aisles and pillars, so this aspect of the architecture is unusual. How about the following:

• ... that the nave of the Church of All Souls, Bolton, Greater Manchester, (pictured) was built without pillars to give the congregation an excellent view and to enable them to hear the sermon clearly?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That's good enough for me. StAnselm (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

eight articles

• ... that the Bulqizë, Kalimashi 1, Kalimashi 3, Krasta, Përroi Batrës, Qaf-Buall, Vlahna and Zogaj mines are the only mines in Albania to have reserves of over 1 million tonnes of chromium ore?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 20:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• The 1.6% figure seems to be based on the figure for chromium reserves in The Limits to Growth which was published almost 40 years ago, which cannot be accurate anymore, because they will have either shrunk as we've used it up, or grown as we've found more. The US Geological Service may have some relevant information on this in one of the reports found here. Even then though, I'm not entirely sure whether it is original research to do the calculations to make the percentage figure for the hook. Can anyone advise? Smartse (talk) 23:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• It may fall under WP:CALC, and if in a "Notes" section, you showed a fully referenced calculation, because I assume it reduces to simply averaging percentages, I think it may be okay. - Theornamentalist (talk) 02:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Added two more mines and changed the hook. BineMai 15:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Church of St Demetrius, Patalenitsa; Patalenitsa

• ... that the medieval Church of St Demetrius in Patalenitsa, southwestern Bulgaria, may have been rediscovered thanks to a thunderbolt striking a cherry tree?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 19:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• The hook seems to be based on a local legend (of which there are a few) - sure, it may have been rediscovered in this way, but it may have occurred in lots of other ways. Perhaps we could have something like ALT1, "... that according to one version of a local legend, the medieval Church of St Demetrius in Patalenitsa, southwestern Bulgaria, was rediscovered thanks to a thunderbolt striking a cherry tree?" That's 188 characters, just under the limit. StAnselm (talk) 06:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• It's too long and overly informative for my liking, and I think the "may" conveys the lots-of-other-possible-ways sense. I'd rather stick to the original version, or perhaps replace the "may" with a weaker word like "might". If that's not alright, I'd prefer something like "according to a local legend, ... was rediscovered", i.e., without the "one version" part. — Toдor Boжinov — 07:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• I was hampered by not being able to read the original source. I'm happy to omit "one version", and "southwestern" is also unnecessary, giving ALT2, "... that according to a local legend, the medieval Church of St Demetrius in Patalenitsa, Bulgaria, was rediscovered thanks to a thunderbolt striking a cherry tree?" StAnselm (talk) 07:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• That's cool for me :) — Toдor Boжinov — 09:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Great. AGF on the foreign language source, length and date check out, and the pic is really good. StAnselm (talk) 09:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Grove Church Cemetery

• ... that Grove Church Cemetery has been called "a cemetery for the living"?

• ALT1:... that Robert Gardner's metallic coffin was found opened, removed from the shelf upon which it sat in a granite, iron barred and locked vault at Grove Church Cemetery, and no one was sure why?

5x expanded by Theornamentalist (talk). Nominated by Theornamentalist (talk) at 19:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Potential Halloween DYK here? Le Deluge (talk) 10:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Early life and career of Julius Caesar

• ... that at age 25 Julius Caesar was captured by pirates?

Created by RomanHistorian (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Actually I did know that :) So many exciting alternatives here, though;

ALT1 ... that for a period of Julius Caesar's early career, he was not permitted to touch a horse, sleep three nights outside his own bed or one night outside Rome, or look upon an army?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that during Julius Caesar's early career, he gave up his betrothal to the woman he'd been engaged to since boyhood, in order to become a priest?

(this ALT2 only any use if it's OK for a front page fact to be sourced to Suetonius) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT3 ... that in Julius Caesar's early career, he spent so long at the court of King Nicomedes that Plutarch, Suetonius and Cassius Dio mention rumours of an affair between the two men?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT4 ... ... that at age 25 Julius Caesar was captured by pirates, but after being ransomed, chased them, captured them, and had them crucified?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oh, ALT4 is nice. Drmies (talk) 19:29, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• About the article, though, if this is appropriate here. First, there is no wikilink for the man himself in the article that I could see. Second, I wonder if there is precedent for forking out the early part of the life of a person. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes it should have a wikilink to the main article. At least some sentences (but not paragraphs) seem to be identical to material already in the main article. (But, that may be partly because they are simply using the same sources.) However, there seems to be concensus (or at least a biumvirate :) on the main article's talk page that a separate article on the early life is the way to go. I agree with what's said there - the main article is, appropriately enough, written in a style much more approachable to the layman, whereas this one, by contrast, goes into more detail (and seems intended to be the first of a series I guess.)

Another ALT to add, if someone wants to give it a try, is Caesar telling his pirate captors that the ransome they are demanding for him, is much too small. But I forget how well it's sourced and it sounds oddly familiar somehow (other people adopted the same approach later?) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I corrected the wikilink issue. I like ALT3 the best. It would probably draw the most attention. And Caesar told his captors that they should be able to get a ransom of at least double what they first wanted.RomanHistorian (talk) 03:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, I found ALT3 the least interesting, ALT2 was probably the most surprising for me but it could do with a copyedit. Le Deluge (talk) 10:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm OK with any of them.RomanHistorian (talk) 14:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Jim Cardwell

• ... that Jim Cardwell was the secretary of the Melbourne Football Club for 25 years?

Created by Jenks24 (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• A lot of sports club officials serve for a fairly long time (or indeed a very long time), so this is really not all that eye-catching. Just to try to add a bit more interest and variety, how about;

ALT1 ... that Jim Cardwell was the secretary of the Melbourne Football Club for 25 years, but also ran an engineering business and had previously been a soldier and a successful debater?

ALT2 ... that Jim Cardwell gave up his engineering business to become full-time secretary for Melbourne Football Club, a post he held for 25 years?

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, they're both better than what I had originally. But how about either:

ALT3 ... that Jim Cardwell was part of the Melbourne Football Club's "backbone of steel", which contributed to the club winning six premierships in 14 years?

ALT4 ... that Jim Cardwell was the secretary of the Melbourne Football Club for 25 years and he became known as the "Prince of Secretaries"?

Jenks24 (talk) 07:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

List of World Heritage Sites in Peru

• ... that the Inca sites of Machu Picchu (pictured) and Cusco became the first World Heritage Sites of Peru in 1983?

Created by Grsz11 (talk). Nominated by Grsz11 (talk) at 14:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Verified w/ some minor tweaks to hook.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Count of the Stable

• ... that the word "constable" derives from the Byzantine office of comes stabuli or Count of the Stable, responsible for the horses and pack animals intended for use by the army and the imperial court?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• — Rlevse • Talk • 23:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Wat Pasantidhamma

Golden sitting slender Buddha atop an altar

• ... that there are only three Thai Buddhist temples in Virginia, including Wat Pasantidhamma?

Created by Rlevse (talk). Self nom at 10:06, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Alt1:... that Wat Pasantidhamma was the first Thai Buddhist temple in the Tidewater (southeastern) region of Virginia?
• Alt2:Better wording: "... that Wat Pasantidhamma is one of only three Thai Buddhist temples in Virginia?"

Agree Alt2 is better than main, but think alt1 is also acceptable — Rlevse • Talk • 14:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

American Honda Motor Company

• ... that the American Honda Motor Company (headquarters pictured) was Honda's first U.S. subsidiary and the first Japanese automaker to build cars in the U.S.?

Created by Jeff Bedford (talk). Nominated by Zunaid (talk) at 08:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• The article was created on 17 September (not 23 September). It should be moved lower. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
• Check the history. It was only moved from user space to main space today. Zunaid 16:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
• My mistake, I think the article is good. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Linn Duachaill

• ... that one of the best-preserved Viking settlements in Europe, Linn Duachaill, was founded at the same time as Dublin, in the 840s, and was unearthed and identified in September 2010?

Created by Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 04:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• — Rlevse • Talk • 22:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Robert Twycross

• ... that Robert Twycross is best known as a pioneer of the hospice movement during the 1970s?

Created by Hordesofkreuser (talk). Nominated by Mono (talk) at 01:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article currently has an orphan tag, I confirmed no inter-article links as well, and the "best known" portion of the hook is not cited where it is found in the lead. --NortyNort (Holla) 11:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: I've removed the Orphan tag as I've added 5 incoming links, but frankly I don't think the Orphan tag should be a bar to DYK. That's a very minor issue which can simply be removed while it's on the Front Page. I've also reformatted the referencing/external links and added 2 inline cites to the opening sentence. But, there are several remaining inline cites in the article to 25 Years in Palliative Medicine at Sir Michael Sobell House without giving the page number. This ought to be addressed. Voceditenore (talk) 08:54, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

"best known" is also a bit strange. I've added another referenced sentence to the article in the Later career and international influence section which could support:

ALT1 ... that Robert Twycross was the first physician from the field of palliative medicine and hospice care to be elected a Fellow of the Royal College of Radiologists ?

Voceditenore (talk) 09:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hildegard Laurich

• ... that contralto Hildegard Laurich performed in Bach's cantata for Ratswahl (inauguration of the Leipzig town council) Gott, man lobet dich in der Stille, BWV 120?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:12, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 22

Scott Pilarz

• ... that when Father Scott Pilarz became President of the University of Scranton he brought Georgetown University's mascot, Jack the Bulldog, with him to Scranton?

5x expanded by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 04:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Former Residence of Soong Ching Ling

Soong's residence

• ... that the Former Residence of Soong Chin Ling was once used by Zaifeng, the father of the last emperor Puyi?

Created by Ekem (talk). Nominated by Ekem (talk) at 13:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Which empire? With that much snow in the picture, I know it's not the Mali Empire or the Aztec Empire, but you might want to clarify that in the hook. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 06:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Tetragnatha extensa

• ... that the spider Tetragnatha extensa can walk on water, where it can move faster than it can on land?

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting hook, but I'm not sure about the reliability of the source. Normally we'd consider the BBC to be reliable but it's only a passing mention and I can't find any other sources to back it up. Smartse (talk) 23:01, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• I don't think a passing mention really matters, so long as it comes from a reliable source and directly confirms the hook, which it does. Is that the only issue with this nomination? Silverseren^C 20:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Richard Cantillon

• ... that Richard Cantillon's treatise, Essai, was considered by economist William Stanley Jevons to be the "cradle of political economy"?

• Comment: Expanded over a period of two days. Originally, the article was at about 8kB in length, however it was deleted for plagiarism. At the time I began editing it it was therefore essentially non-existent. I expanded it to over 40kB, so either way it should meet the length requirement.

5x expanded by Catalan (talk). Nominated by Catalan (talk) at 04:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Noosa National Park

• ... that Noosa National Park is the most visited national park in Australia?

5x expanded by Shiftchange (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• The source for the hook is a quote from a guy from "Tourism Noosa" - couldn't this be considered a less than reliable source? Can this claim be backed up by an independent source? --jjron (talk) 17:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Figure and sentence has been clarified with another more reliable source, a media release from the relevant Queensland government department. - Shiftchange (talk) 00:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Not meaning to be a pain the backside, but the second ref says "the national park...receives over one million visits each year", but doesn't actually specify that it's the most visited park in the country, and that's the part that concerns me. If I'm reading right the figures are a bit 'soft' anyway, as they're basically counting anyone that goes down to the beach from Noosa town as a NP 'visitor', which I'm not sure is really the spirit of the thing, so not really a fair comparison - like I mean how many people actually say "I'm going for a trip to Noosa National Park" as opposed to those that specifically go somewhere like Kakadu, Cradle Mountain, Wilsons Prom or the Blue Mountains? Surely that would be a truer measure of the park's appeal? Perhaps you could use a hook more like:

ALT1 ... that Noosa National Park in Australia receives more than 1 million visitors a year? --jjron (talk) 11:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Gros-Mécatina, Quebec

• ... that Gros-Mécatina (pictured) on the Gulf of Saint Lawrence, in Quebec, Canada, has excellent crab, lobster, and scallop fishing grounds?

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Nominated by P199 (talk) at 16:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Soulless (novel), Changeless (novel), Blameless (novel)

• ... that the "Parasol Protectorate" steampunk books Soulless, Changeless, and Blameless by Gail Carriger will be adapted as graphic novels by Yen Press?

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 11:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Darius Dhlomo

• ... that in the 1950s, black South African Darius Dhlomo was a boxing champion, professional football player, a jazz musician, and a political activist for the African National Congress?

Created by Uncle G (talk), Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by Sillyfolkboy (talk) at 22:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 1:... that black South African footballer Darius Dhlomo went missing on his debut for Dutch club Heracles Almelo because he wasn't aware that blacks and whites were allowed in the same changing room? Dutch reference verified (I speak Afrikaans). Zunaid 14:25, 23 September 2010 (UTC) UPDATE: I found an English reference so have added that instead and moved the Dutch reference back to its original place in the article. Zunaid 14:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 is much nicer, I've trimmed "match". Not sure that the name of the club adds much? Le Deluge (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• The important thing is that it was outside South Africa hence the Apartheid laws did not apply. You need to mention "debut for Dutch club" to point out it's his first time (and hence first changing room etiquette experience) outside of South Africa. The name of the club then only adds two extra words. The other important point about that particular football club was that another South African, Steve Mokone (who joined them a few years before Dhlomo's time), was the first black football player in the Netherlands ever. It ties things together, closing the loop between black South African footballers and the Netherlands in a kind of neat way I think. Zunaid 22:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oh I totally get the significance of it being a debut, and it being for a non-SA club. But we're writing newspaper headlines here, and every surplus word dilutes attention away from the main subject of the hook, people can read the article to get the details. I think your argument about Mokone is overcomplicating things - anyone who knew enough about Dutch football to know what club Mokone played for, would probably be aware of what Dhlomo played for, and if they don't get the Mokone reference, it's just distraction. Le Deluge (talk) 14:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• The only other phrasing I can think of is to replace "...on his debut for Dutch club Heracles Almelo..." with "...before his first match for a foreign club..." which gains zero words but costs us a potentially interesting article link that Dutch readers may be able to improve upon. I think we're splitting hairs, to me the wording looks fine but maybe I'm just not seeing an obvious way to reduce the blurb. Please feel free to suggest an ALT 2. Zunaid 20:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Inocybe maculata

• ... that consumption of the poisonous mushroom Inocybe maculata (pictured) could lead to death by respiratory failure?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Ready. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

3 Deewarein

• ... that Nagesh Kukunoor's 3 Deewarein was filmed at the then defunct and now demolished Musheerabad Jail in Hyderabad, India?

5x expanded by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook verified. Joe Chill (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Joyce Beber

• ... that Leona Helmsley hired Joyce Beber to promote her hotels and fired her four times, including once after Helmsley was convicted for income tax evasion and blamed Beber for having raised her profile?

Created by Bongomatic (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:02, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Ned Sutton

• ... that Ned Sutton was the Melbourne Football Club's inaugural captain, when they were the co-founders of the Victorian Football League in 1897?

Created by Jenks24 (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Ned Sutton was the Melbourne Football Club's inaugural captain in the Victorian Football League?
• Comment: If it's considered that the hook looks better shorter.

Paycheck Fairness Act

• ... that President Obama called the Paycheck Fairness Act "a common-sense bill" that would help end persistent male–female income disparity in which American women earn 77 cents for every dollar men earn?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

St Andrew's Church, East Heslerton

• ... that the four statues of saints on the tower of St Andrew's Church, East Heslerton (pictured) were originally intended for the north porch of Bristol Cathedral?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Is there any explanation as to why the statues went to St Andrew's, rather than Bristol? Otherwise, good to go. Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, this source states "the then Dean of the cathedral declared that they were too papist and he refused to allow them to be set in his church. Street snapped them up for East Heslerton, and here they are today". However this is a non-academic source and I am not 100% convinced of the reliability of the statement, as I have not seen it confirmed elsewhere. Also to add it to the hook would probably take it over the 200 character limit.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

This fact is documented in James Redfern (who designed the sculpures) and there is a picture on one in that article Victuallers (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, thanks, missed that good ref. So how about:

• ... that the four statues of saints on the tower of St Andrew's Church, East Heslerton (pictured) were originally intended for the north porch of Bristol Cathedral but were rejected because the dean said they were papist?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT hook is too long (max 200 characters). Original hook is fine, but needed some explanation in the article. Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

So do you want the original hook, or (198 characters):

• ... that the four statues of saints on the tower of St Andrew's Church, East Heslerton (pictured) were originally intended for Bristol Cathedral, but were rejected because the dean said they were papist?--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 07:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

It's up to you. Personally, the ALT is more interesting, and I think it will get more hits. I added a comma to the hook (so now 199 characters). Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

HIP Petrohemija

• ... that HIP Petrohemija is the largest petrochemical company in Serbia?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 14:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook all check out. Well done. Reyk _YO! 06:43, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Flags (album)

• ... that Brooke Fraser described her third album, Flags, as "a graduation"?

Created by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 09:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• I love her music! Date, length, hook all OK. StAnselm (talk) 06:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 21

Instinto Asesino

• ... that in the documentary television series about South American serial killers, Instinto Asesino (Killer Instinct), the death toll of the six criminals exceeds one hundred victims, mostly women and children?

5x expanded by Lionelt (talk). Self nom at 00:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• Nowhere near 5x expansion, I'm afraid. Currently 2388 characters. On 6 July 2010 it was 1995. The sourcing needed to establish independent notability of this documentary also needs improvement. No reviews only TV guide summaries, descriptions on the channel running the documentary, a PR Newswire press release, and one newspaper article previewing the series. Voceditenore (talk) 11:31, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Bergens TF

• ... that eight gymnasts from the club Bergens TF won medals at the 1912 Summer Olympics?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• I liked the sound of this, but after reading up on it, while technically true, it seems a little trumped up. It appears the eight were part of a winning 24 man team event only held at two Olympics (1912 & 1920) - see Gymnastics at the 1912 Summer Olympics – Men's team, free system. Reading the hook makes it feel like they were individual medallists in the way a modern gymnast would be. Maybe it could be reworded a bit more honestly, say something like:

• ALT1 ... that eight gymnasts from the Norwegian club Bergens TF won gold medals at the 1912 Summer Olympics as part of the rare Men's team, free system event?
• The article may need to be reworded slightly to clarify this point as well. --jjron (talk) 13:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• This nomination is almost ready to be removed based on the above unresolved issues, but it appears the nominator was not informed on their talk page of the issues. I have just informed them so I suggest we give it a little longer to see if they can deal with this. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• I included the event name in the article, so feel free to go with the ALT. Geschichte (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• Assuming ALT1 is based on the section "Gymnastics", then there is still a problem, because that section says that the people were "medal winners", but does not specify gold. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• We remove the word gold then. Geschichte (talk) 21:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

World Golf Village

• ... that the World Golf Village is a golf resort near St. Augustine, Florida created to showcase the World Golf Hall of Fame?

5x expanded by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 01:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Insufficient recent expansion. Needs at least another 500 characters to qualify. --Allen3 ^talk 12:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Please elaborate. Article size before expansion was 1,352; 5x expansion = 6,760; current size = 8,869 Mgrē@sŏn 14:56, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK utilizes readable prose length and not source code length for determination of article eligibility (templates, images, references, and other formatting information do not count toward prose size). The article currently has 4521 bytes of readable prose compared to 998 bytes present on February 22, 2010. Please see Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules#A2 and Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules#A3 for a discussion of the proper way of determining article size. --Allen3 ^talk 15:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Expansion should be sufficient now. Thanks. Mgrē@sŏn 17:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

CatholicVote.org

• ... that CatholicVote.org's first commercial was a pro-life spot, featured a depiction of President Barack Obama and recorded over 700,000 hits?

Created by BS24 (talk). Nominated by Lionelt (talk) at 22:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

• - ready. Dincher (talk) 01:12, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• For some of us in Europe and other places, a "pro-life spot" would be a place where people plant and nurture trees. Not saying there is anything wrong with the hook, but it may not be as immediately understood as you might think - at least outside the advertising industry, and in some parts of the world. I guess "spot" means "commercial placement", or something like that? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• As the article creator and reviewer are both catholic, there is a potential COI in advertising a catholic website on the wikipedia front page Jebus989^✰ 16:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• The nom looks like he may have Catholic leanings as well  ;) Lionel (talk) 21:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• As someone with a fair amount of experience with dealing with COIs I can definitely say that it doesn't apply here, they would have to be affiliated with the website themselves, which there is no evidence that they do AFAICT. That said, I agree with Demiurge1000 that "a pro-life spot" probably won't be understood by readers outside of the US. I suggest something along the lines of:

ALT1 ... that an anti-abortion movement commercial, featuring a depiction of President Barack Obama, was CatholicVote.org's first advertisement and recorded over 700,000 hits?

Can you add what the hits where on as well? I assume youtube but it really isn't clear. Someone more BLP inclined may also want to decide whether this is overly negative towards Obama as well. Smartse (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Not sure whether commercial is the right word - is video or campaign better? Smartse (talk) 23:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

How about "TV commercial"? (i'm also very catholic, btw) --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 20

Western Cemetery (Portland, Maine)

• ... that when a number of tombs were opened at the Western Cemetery in Portland, Maine, nothing was found inside and no record was made of where the remains went? (this might be a candidate for Halloween?)

Created by Namiba (talk). Nominated by Namiba (talk) at 03:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• 22 characters short of the 1500 limit at the moment (headers don't count) can you find any more information? Smartse (talk) 15:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I sure can. I will expand it shortly.--TM 18:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

It's expanded to be long enough now. If we're going for Halloween:

ALT1 ... that when opened, the Longfellow tomb at the Western Cemetery in Portland, Maine, was empty, when it should have contained the parents of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow?

Not quite sure if this is scary enough though. Smartse (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that when opened, the Longfellow tomb at the Western Cemetery in Portland, Maine, was empty?AMuseo (talk) 19:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Short and spooky.AMuseo (talk) 19:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

appr, suggest move to halloween — Rlevse • Talk • 00:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

George N. Parks Drum Major Academy

• ... that the George N. Parks Drum Major Academy teaches over three thousand students every year?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 01:50, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• At last check, the article was just past 1,200 characters of prose, short of the 1,500 required. It might make more sense to include the material in this article in the parent George N. Parks rather than stretching to create an article about the academy he created. Alansohn (talk) 17:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• I'll get on it later today as I know that I can add more material. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

• Fixed. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:44, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article now at 1855 characters of prose but most of it is biography of George N. Parks, not about the Drum Major Acaademy. Most of article is sourced to the Academy's official website, except for passing mentions in Parks' obituary. - Dravecky (talk) 23:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

George N. Parks Marching Band Building

• ... that the George N. Parks Marching Band Building was named after George N. Parks, director of the University of Massachusetts Minuteman Marching Band, while he was still alive?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 00:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article text appears to contradict hook facts, article is sourced to a single press release, and subject building may not meet WP:GNG. - Dravecky (talk) 03:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• What is out there are basically third party mentions of the building. I remember reading somewhere that George didn't want the building named after him, hence where the seeming contradiction occurs. Finding that site will be a challenge as I will have to dig through a bunch of death notices. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, properly sourcing an article can be difficult, but it's still a requirement. - Dravecky (talk) 23:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• Done. There aren't any more google hits out there and digging up the college newspaper would just end up parroting the press release's statement. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

• The newspaper article calls the building the "Minuteman Marching Band Building" and makes a point that a request will be made to possibly name the building for Parks. As such, it fails to back up either your hook or the first fact it is used to reference. - Dravecky (talk) 23:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This nomination seems to be dead. I would simply remove it (and I have, in other instances where it seemed to be even more clearly dead) but are there any extra steps to be carried out when doing that? Or does one just remove it from here with an appropriate edit summary? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I guess we could move it to that. I'm just going off what the school said since it is a first-party source. Demiurge, not so fast as I think they are only considered dead when conversation stops or we are going nowhere (so I guess the latter might apply here). It's your call though. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Events of 1807–08

• ... that two rival Ottoman sultans were deposed and killed during the Events of 1807–08?

alt2 = ... that the Janissaries staged their last successful coups against Ottoman sultans during the Events of 1807–08? --> Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 23:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article has bare URL references and most of last section has not citation(s).--NortyNort (Holla) 21:26, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
• Added {{Bare URLs}} tag in an attempt to spur action on this article. Also, updated article links above to avoid a redirect. - Dravecky (talk) 23:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The Park Centre for Mental Health

• ... that The Park Centre for Mental Health in Wacol, Queensland, has been renamed at least 7 times since it was first established, in 1865, as the Woogaroo Lunatic Asylum?

created by CybergothiChé (talk). Self nom at 1:41, 21 September 2010 (AEST)

• The entire article is based on the centre's website. Do you have any secondary sources? Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
• Added {{one source}} tag to article in an attempt to spur action. - Dravecky (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Gaza Baptist Church

• ... that because of its height, the Gaza Baptist Church was commandeered by both Fatah and Hamas troops as a lookout point during the Fatah–Hamas conflict?

created by User:AMuseo and User:CMBJ (talk) (talk) . Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) 20 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that because of its height, the Gaza Baptist Church was commandeered by both Fatah and Hamas troops as an observation post during the Fatah–Hamas conflict?

I'm admittedly biased as a person who contributed to the article, but I concur that this would make an interesting DYK entry.   — C M B J   22:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article and hook length and sourcing have been verified. Article is currently at AfD (see here), which needs to be resolved before this nomination can proceed. Alansohn (talk) 18:55, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• The AFD closed to Keep.AMuseo (talk) 11:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that the Gaza Baptist Church was commandeered as an observation post by both sides during the Fatah–Hamas conflict? Le Deluge (talk) 00:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Article has some POV issues, I will try to do a cleanup over the next day or two and leave a message here when I'm done. Gatoclass (talk) 11:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The article underwent severe vetting for NPOV during the AFD. It is an interesting article, with an interesting hook.AMuseo (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

See my comment per the "Teacher's Bookshop" nom below. Gatoclass (talk) 02:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Other than noting that the AfD has closed, no editor has touched this article in a week. As below, I don't see such strong NPOV issues as to keep this article from moving forward. A short delay for an urgent request was reasonable and was granted by the group but it can't be an indefinite hold. It's time to edit or promote... and I'm leaning heavily towards 'promote'. - Dravecky (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

alt1 seems best to me. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:28, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For 3 October, 18th Sunday after Trinity

Herr Christ, der einge Gottessohn, BWV 96

• ... that Bach scored a sopranino recorder in the opening chorus of his cantata Herr Christ, der einge Gottessohn, BWV 96, for the 18th Sunday after Trinity?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

• (after we had the Sunday after Trinity 17 times people may know that without mentioning) ALT1:

... that Bach scored a sopranino recorder to illustrate the morning star in the opening chorus of his cantata Herr Christ, der einge Gottessohn, BWV 96?

• Dates and lengths both good. AGF of offline sourcing. --Allen3 ^talk 12:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

For 31 October, Hallowe'en

• The 2010 Halloween collection has started early. My interpretation of whats happening is ... 1. Move your hook to the bottom of the page (ie here) 2. You may get some more macabre, funny etc suggestions for a hook and it should get DYKtick'ed. 3. Then after its been there about 24 hours or so it gets moved off to the dedicated page. 4. Then about three or four days before Oct 31 we sort out the 40 or so hooks into "8"s (so they are ready to load on the 36 hours or so that is Halloween internationally). 5. We do the awards and 6 .... and please help with all of this. It only works if we all do a bit Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Paracas Textiles

• ... that the Paracas Textiles (pictured) found wrapped around 2,200 year old mummies show a winged shaman carrying a severed head by its hair?

• Comment: for Halloween?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 20:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Beginning of the End

• ... that it may have cost $300,000 to have giant radioactive mutant locusts attack Chicago in 1957?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that after they saw a dinosaur attack New York City in 1953 and giant ants attack Los Angeles in 1954, Americans saw giant radioactive grasshoppers attack Chicago in 1957? - Tim1965 (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that the Beginning of the End could not begin until 200 grasshoppers had been sexed?

Must admit, I don't think this is really a Halloween one, especially given that we're not short of Halloween ones. Halloween fans may like to look at two regular DYKs above that I've flagged as possibles, although they're still in the main queue at present. Le Deluge (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• Monster movies have nothing to do with Halloween? - Tim1965 (talk) 02:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Ben Cooper, Inc.

• ... that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in 1990?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

• "Halston" means nothing here ... you also have "High Priest of Halloween" ... I'd tic that? oops OK! Victuallers (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Halston means a lot in the fashion world. I've wikilinked it. (Don't forget to sign your post!) - Tim1965 (talk) 01:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

• Only in places where there's a JC Penney. Trust me, that subclause just doesn't work outside the US, and to be honest it's redundant, it could just be struck out entirely. Or as Victuallers says, the "high priest" version is a ready-made alternative that needs no knowledge of US culture, and thus is a better hook. WTGR Tim, you really need to think a bit more globally - 50% of en.wiki users are outside the US, and that proportion is growing. Le Deluge (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

• ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?

• ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:

Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

• - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
  Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

• Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. Silverseren^C 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren^C 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
• Support' as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

See also

• User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).