User talk:Jack Sebastian

Captain Marvel edits

Concerning your criticism/reversion of my edits to Captain Marvel (DC Comics):

1. For the vast majority, the comics issues are themselves the sources (this is especially true for the rewrite of the description of the feature's appearances in the last 13 issues of Adventure Comics; there is, off the top of my head, at least one reprint from DC's early 70s Shazam! comic, a Mary Marvel solo, and maybe another with C.M. Jr.; the non-appearances of the feature in #s 500 & 503 and the reasons therefor are similarly not open to dispute).
2. I did not "remove Newton" but merely relocated his first appearance to the revamp of which his arrival was part.
3. As for the serials, just check out the articles for Adventures of Captain Marvel and the earlier Mysterious Doctor Satan and you'll find citations for the fact that the storyline of the Superman serial pitch was reworked as Satan, not Marvel.
4. That you also reverted the strictly "mechanical errors" (minor grammatical changes, duplicated full names/Wikilinks, and especially the typographical misspelling of "Batson" as "Baton," none of which have any effect on meaning) shows that you did not look closely at the diff. pages of my edits, which you linked in on my talk page, prior to hitting the "undo" button, never a good idea.

Again, for the comics discussion, the issues, carefully identified, are themselves Wiki-acceptable sources, even if I did not make formal reference citations of them, and just give me time and I'll duplicate the cites from the serials' articles to the others. Also note that the article has a "Citations needed" template at the top, so singling out my not really unsupported edit of the DC Comics run in favor of a less accurate version that is no better cited is very strange. I have added your talk page to my watchlist so you can respond right here and I'll know about it. --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

My most humble apologies, as item #4 was completely unjustified. Very sorry, sir. --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

After posting the above, I went to your profile page to see if perhaps you were an administrator, and instead found "Novice editor." I should have checked before I ever posted here and allowed for that. Again, my apologies. --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I had no intention of adding in the cite for the flying effects, and did so only because you raised the issue. Interestingly, that paragraph already ended with a ref cite to the same work, seeming to cover the entire paragraph. I wonder which it really says, since it's William Witney's personal memoirs, not a film historian's carefully researched report. --Tbrittreid (talk) 20:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Rory Gallagher

Thanks for helping with the Rory Gallagher article, which I found woefully --near untouched last October since 2005 or so. I tried unsuccessfully to get others to form a work group to update and build the article, but aside from a half-decent discography that still doesn't cover all his albums, and some expansion of text with photos, mostly on my part, little has been done, even though his brother has upgraded the website, and there's a lot more information there. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Rory Gallagher photo removal

Sorry about that! The photo I removed was from a photographer friend, Rik Walton, who has a great selection of photos. He wrote today that he is involved in litigation regarding the use of that particular photo PRIOR to the date I asked him to change the photo from copyright to Creative Commons- CC-BY. He has kindly offered a pick of another photo (his are excellent) and I'm going to take a look at them and decide, I guess. Rik removed the photo from Flickr, and I told him while he's got this previous legal issue we wouldn't use it for now. I really should have left a summary of why I pulled the photo, but was feeling tired and ill- still no good excuse. Sorry. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Help Contribute to Article: TV Episodes Considered The Greatest of All Time

Hey man, what's up? I'm new to Wikipedia and I just started this article for contenders for the greatest TV episode of all time. Listen, it was first up for deletion and it could be deleted if there is a huge lack of content. I put more stuff on there man, but I think it would be great if you could help contribute to the article. I really want this one to survive; it could be an important one. So, post something on the article's talk page about contributing to the article; thanks!!! Oh babe (talk) 05:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)Oh babe

Re: TEA

Likewise, I'm sure. *sigh* Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack... It's cool. Look, I'm in a transitional period. I've let go of a lot of anger/frustration. All my Rage Against the Machine and whatnot. I'm fine, totally. And so is the article. No edit war, no problem. It's clear you care about the article. Good for you! I'm glad somebody's looking after it. However, it's a better responsibility than watching your list and reverting errors/vandalism. You've gotta be proactive (like moi). And that means looking the whole thing over and fixing it, bit-by-bit. That's what I do, when I can. And yes, sometimes I do it in very blunt (read: insensitive) way. I'm working on that (eh), but I'm also proud of being different. As my page (---> Ace Class Shadow; My talk.) indicates, I'm not censored. (Guess what; neither is the site.) So, in short: sorry if I offended you, it's just part of my charm. Sincerely, Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 18:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Whoa. Big words, man. You're smarter than I thought (no offense, seriously). Okay. Good deal. I'll pull it back a bit. I was really just venting anyway. Too many people seem to make mistakes (online and off-); thus, half of what Wikipedians do all day is cleanup their messes, in essence. We cool? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 02:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Pifeedback

Pifeedback

Could you give your opinion on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Pifeedback.com?ChaosMaster16 (talk) 12:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

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Astor Courts

As Chelsea Clinton just got married there, now might be a good time to work on the article, because a lot more sources will be available. —fetch·comms 16:57, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Ditto! -- Kendrick7^talk 08:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I concur. Sorry, the Summer ran away and took a lot of my free time with it. I'll spend some time writing it up this week. Thanks for the update. For some reason, it didn't click when i heard about the wedding, It's a pretty good place to have it, if you can afford the venue fee and don't mind sharing the ceremony with 2-10 million mosquitoes. ;) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I also just stumbled upon your draft article and think it's worthy of posting and the timing is right. We will link to it from Chelsea Clinton#Engagement and marriage when it goes live. Would be great if you could find any free images - an image was posted but it's not free. (Funny, no press coverage of the mosquitoes.). Tvoz/talk 18:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Jason Todd

What guest on Jason Todd? I did cite the latest issue of Red Hood: The Lost Days.— Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoBatfreak (talk • contribs)

I know - I'm reading them, too, NBf. Take a look at the comments I removed:

After spending a month learning about firearms, chemistry, and other fields with Talia, Jason receives his first training from a German assassin named Egon. He trains Jason of what Batman wouldn't, of how to maim and kill with his skills in brutal manners in addition of how to control his anger. However, Jason discovers his teacher is also a slave trader of children prostitution. Unwilling to be a part of Egon's party, Jason saves the captive children. He also executes his teacher as punishment for his crimes along seeing it as the only way of ending the trade since his business is also connected to corrupted officials, by poisoning his drink before their fight as he's awares that he's not yet a match to Egon in combat. After dropping the children at a British Embassy, Jason burns Egon's headquarters to the ground to prevent anyone from finding out about him and continues his search for teachers and self-discovery.

You don't see any of that as evaluative on your part? There is summation and there is synthesis; I feel the removed comments were more towards the latter. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Re:Green Lantern edit

My opinions don't matter on this one and that particular edit is not my problem, that's why I am not discussing it. I just tried to fix it. An edit war is a problem, and constant undoings can turn out to be unacceptable. When you and User:TriiipleThreat were edit warring you both did over three undoings violating the three revert rule. Personally, my opinion is the fact of that she could be the villain in this movie or the next one is just as similiar as doing a sequel section on the article which is done constantly. See Iron Man 2#Sequel, so it doesn't have to be the certain film of the article. − Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The difference between Iron Man2 and Green Lantern "2" is that while there are definitive plans by the directors to make IM3 (specifically after the Avengers) for release in '13, there is no such talk by the people who would plan a sequel for GL. All we have are loaded questions by reporters asking actors about the characters they are playing, and not about the actual plans or productions. Any edits about what might be in some unmentioned sequel seem more like wishful thinking than encyclopedic writing. It's JGreb said, it's prognostication with your fingers crossed. That is what I was responding to and, while i wouldn't have edited it out again, I would have most certainly escalated the matter to a noticeboard to gain further confirmation of that. That Triple wasn't using the discussion board as much as s/he should have been makes for a more contentious editing environment. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I just used Iron Man 2 as a example, as I noticed Green Lantern had a sequel section too. It's good that you and TriiipleThreat are talking about it though. − Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree with you about how its good that TiiiipleT is talking with me abut it - I have never understood why some people prefer to argue about stuff instead of working on an encyclopedic compromise. I might have underestimated TriiipeT's willingness to work together, and that's on me. :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:17, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

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Ah, no problem.-5- (talk) 02:22, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

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I've replied on the talkpage. In addition, you might want to tone down the huffing and puffing about taking it straight to ANI if you have to. It doesn't promote collaborative editing, and you aren't talking to a brand new user here. It comes off as extremely bitey. --Terrillja _talk 07:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Not trying to be bitty, Terrillja; just pointing out that I wasn't going to dick around with the back and forth that the anon had been starting. It wasn't necessarily directed at you. Understand that this isn't my first rodeo, either; I consider myself rather keen on the subject of SYN, and am pretty good at spotting it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 08:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I have moved this back from my talkpage, per the notice at the top, which asks users to answer on their talkpage to keep a conversation easier to follow. Wasn't going to dick around= bite. We're here to improve the project, and part of that is woking constructively with new users to help them understand our policies, not beating the war drums and scaring them off. If the IP (or another user) ignored you, after an attempt at discussion, then it would have been appropriate to escalate things, but coming in right off the bat with a threat to take it to ANI is rather uncivil. I'm sure you were frustrated with what you saw as a perfectly reasonable edit, but that isn't a good reason to overreact. You might notice that the IP has not come back since your "notice". I hope that you didn't scare them off or get them to tell all their friends that they tried to make a good faith edit and they got clobbered over the head with threats, or you have not one but perhaps hundreds of perspective users that may never come here to help a project that is losing users at an increasing rate. --Terrillja _talk 15:59, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I think that the Project is losing users for entirely different reasons, not the least among them is the concept of Admin For Life (indeed, sometimes beyond that, considering that some folk have remained admins after the account-holder has actually died). As well, the graceless method of discourse does tend to scare folk away (I am taking such a hit here), and the process of blocking/removing the truly disruptive becomes a popularity contest. Most people find it utterly not worth the drama when there are no tangible rewards for putting up with it.

Lastly, I am think that the declining economy might be a significant factor in the decline of contribution; more people are concentrating on honing their job skills/finding jobs/finishing their studies well so as to be competitive in a shrinking workforce. When weighing the value of putting up with some little tin god's personal view/bullshit that Transformers are symbolic of the Hegellian Ideal versus actually making money to keep food on the table, it's a pretty easy choice. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity...

Is your nick a Babylon 5 reference? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it's from Victorian literature and from two steampunk novels I wrote in the 80s as a callow yute. That said, you aren't the first person to ask me that. Was that an Earther from B5? - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Vandal reverts

Thanks homie. Was fun to read the weird history on that one; he couldn't even get where I live correct. Millahnna (talk) 13:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

About the "See also" section for The Town movie article

I replied at Talk:The Town (2010 film)#Removed section. One thing I didn't respond to there was your last sentence, "[...] the article, which is about this film, and this film alone." A "See also" section is always about other articles, as long as there's some connection, but please see my response there. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh crap - I saw that, but forgot to respond to it, John. My apologies, I;ll head there now and respond. Thanks for letting me know, - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Answer

Excessive snarkiness, condescension towards new editors, passive-aggressive statements... if you have a problem with someone, report them. You're getting very close to the line of being a problem yourself.

Remember: Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia. Everyone has to bear both those aspects in mind: not just 'encyclopedia', but also 'collaborative'. DS (talk) 16:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)