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Ernest T Cragg Article Suggestion

Thank you very much for the suggestions and pointer to WP:Lead - I had not been familiar with that.

I actually have a lot of things I want to do both to that article, and Edward "Porky" Cragg I spent several days at the Air Force Historical Research Agency at Maxwell AFB and have copies of the unit histories for their units. Since Wikipedia does not allow original research, I am planning to "do the research" in my family web sites, then reference it in the Wikipedia articles. Do you think that would be acceptable?

The big problem T I M E

thanks again

ed Ecragg (talk) 15:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes personal websites are fine, but it depends on what level of reliability is evoked by your credentials (See WP:IRS). It may be a fine external link, but I am not sure if your website will be an appropriate reference. However, if you host copies of original documents, those may be adequate for improving factual statements within the articles, Sadads (talk) 17:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Purge (novel)

Hi, you are doing some great work here. I'll assist where I can. --Martin (talk) 20:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

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Anthologies

Hi Sadads, User talk:42and5 has made mass adds to many poets pages of anthologies that they have been included in. I wondered if you have roll back rights. Thanks Span (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I will take a look, Sadads (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheers. Span (talk) 21:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, Sadads (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Lovely. Thank you. Span (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Quicksilver

Hey Sadads - I just wanted to give you a heads up that I'll be doing some rewriting of Quicksilver. Don't have a lot of energy or time for it at the moment, but the paraphrasing should be scrubbed out, so I'll be hacking at it slowly - in case you were wondering. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good, I will keep an eye on it, and help you where I can. In two weeks, I can do a serious amount of work on it, but until then I am kindof swamped, Sadads (talk) 06:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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Jab se you have loved me

This page meets all criterion to be in Wikipedia.

It is a wonderful book, published by one of India's largest publishers. It is not self-published and is becoming a popular book with young people.

Check it out at India's largest online bookstore www.flipkart.com. Type Jab se in the SEARCH field. Note the ISBN too.

Regards, Deep Kishore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepkishorewiki (talk • contribs) 07:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually it doesn't, as the nominator at the deletion review points out, that book does not meet the WP:Notability (books) criterion, please provide sources to help prove notability if you believe it is in fact notable, Sadads (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Peer Review for Life at the Bottom

Hey, I just started a peer review for the article Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass, which you can find here. As you are listed under the volunteers section as a generalist for Language and Literature, if you have the time, could you take a look at the article? Thanks. Silverseren^C 02:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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Peer review of WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms articles

Would appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on how Benty Grange helmet and Pioneer helmet could be improved as you obviously have greater expectations on content than I would have thought appropriate for encyclopaedic content and would appreciate some guidance there. Thanks for your help so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathandbeal (talk • contribs) 22:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I would make sure you read WP:Verifiability. Sometimes, content doesn't have enough scholarship to adequately go beyond very basic information. I am mostly looking for a little broader sense of the artefacts and their importance, for examples see Meyrick Helmet and Mahiole for examples, but note neither of them are more than C or start class. You might also want to talk to WP:GLAM/BM about getting a curators support in further researching the items at the British museum. They have a very close connection to Wikipedia, and would likely be more than supportive of getting you more information about the artefacts. Sadads (talk) 00:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Purge (novel)

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Sorry

Sorry for snapping. I edit conflicted you and am annoyed at spending so much time cleaning up a mess that someone else made. Anyway - it would be very helpful if you could chose any article listed on this page, start pulling up the sources in gbooks and checking for copyvio. If you find it, then remove, reword, or add quotation marks and in-text attribution, and document what you've done on the talkpage. I haven't had time to set up my own subpage, and am logging off for a time. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Didn't feel like I was snapped at, but definitely appreciate the time you are putting in. Will take a look at the collaboration user page that you point, and do a little bit of work on it. Sadads (talk) 19:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Purge (novel)

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Orphan Tags

Thanks for your work on removing them. I've done it to those I run across on the NRHP, but a general pass is a good thing. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 11:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

We have started working on it as part of the backlog reduction drive at Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs, and I am automatically clearing the articles that have more than 3 links that way the backlog team has a more accurate sense of how many we have to unorphan. We can always use more help, feel free to sign up at Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs/Participants and progress, Sadads (talk) 15:22, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I have to ask -- why stop at 3? Many of the NRHP articles have only the one certain incoming link from the state, city, or county list. Policy says they are not orphans and I've long wondered why they should have the nasty message at the top, as if they were somehow not worthy. Yet buildings that are notable for their architecture are unlikely to have any other logical links in.

I spend almost all of my time now as an Admin on Commons. We are woefully behind there, so it's unlikely I'll do a lot on WP:EN for a while. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 15:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

AWB removes the orphan tag by default at 3 links. However I feel that that the more incoming links the more likely someone who is reading a Wikipedia article will click into it and read it and decide they can expand it. Unorphaning articles increases the likelihood of exposure of the article and in turn the likelihood that someone will edit it. The more links the more traffic. Three is a good minimum because it ensures that the network of links is not linear but through a network to multiple more-linked pages (again increasing likelihood of exposure). One link is a little weak, tending to lead to linear paths to articles. Ideally I would write a navbox for each article which would create a network of 20+ articles that interlink and share traffic. I can't do that with topics I don't know very well, but for WP:Novels articles I write them all the time, and its really effective in increasing traffic.Sadads (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

That's fine theory, but it doesn't work well for NRHP sites. Take, for example, A. C. Smith & Co. Gas Station. It is on the National Register because it is a typical gas station of the period. There is nothing else notable about it and it is unlikely that any article (other than National Register of Historic Places listings in Quincy, Massachusetts) could be appropriately linked to it. In a smaller city, one could imagine a list of NRHP sites in the city article, but that would just duplicate the existing list here.

There are roughly 80,000 NRHP sites. There are about 500,000 Listed Buildings in the UK. Policy says that all of them deserve articles, and about half the NRHP sites actually have them. 24,000 of them are stubs and are unlikely to get much beyond stub status because there simply isn't much more known about the building. Many of these will, like the gas station, have no logical inbound links beyond the regional list. Is it really appropriate to put a "second class citizen" tag on thousands of articles when there is no logical way out of the paucity of links and it is unlikely that anyone is going to put in the time anyway?

And, by the way, I, for one, would rather see editor time going into stubbing out the remaining 44,000 NRHP sites that don't have articles, so that when a user goes into a list of sites in an area, he or she can get a little information on all of them. Why discourage that by putting an orphan tag on someone's work? . . Jim - Jameslwoodward (talk to me • contribs) 17:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Guo Yi

Please be careful; you were linking bunches of "Guo Yi" that were not the same Guo Yi that you were trying to link to. --Nlu (talk) 19:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, thank you for fixing them, Sadads (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Thank you. --Nlu (talk) 23:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

E De people

No problem - I just felt a little quippy. Ergative rlt (talk) 20:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks to you too for finishing off the review so quickly! I didn't even know it started! Derild4921Review Me! 23:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep, no problem. I hadn't realized that that had drug on so long! I would have come in to help push it through. Sadads (talk) 23:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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GameLab

Could you please create the article before making redirects to them? Broken redirects qualify for speedy deletion under criterion G8 (apologies if you already knew that). --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 14:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion contested: Haloga

Hello Sadads, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Haloga, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. ǝɥʇM0N0^farewell 03:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool

Hi! I noticed that you've been adding several articles to the Article Feedback Tool pilot list. I think it's great that you are interested in being involved with the pilot but I'm going to have to ask you to stop. The articles you added the tool to are not good candidates for the "Additional Articles" list, so I'm going to remove them from the category. If you like, you can join in our discussion about it at mw:Article feedback/Public Policy Pilot/Additional Pages.

Thanks!--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was just messing around with the tool, tell me if you need help for a broader deployment, Sadads (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries! We'd be happy to have you help out, if you like. We have a workgroup page on MediaWiki.org where we are doing our planning and discussion. I believe Howie is planning to start a drive for finding more of our "additional pages" - and I know several of the ones we've identified haven't been added to the category.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Oops. I fixed the link.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 00:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Sadads. It would be great if you could be involved. As Jorm said, right now we're selecting more article to deploy the tool to. There are two other folks helping out: User: Pjoef and User: Fetchcomms. Check out this section of the workgroup page -- hopefully the three of you can work together! Howief (talk) 00:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Right now I am a little busy, but maybe towards the end of the month I can take on a responsibility, Sadads (talk) 00:12, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Novels!?

Careful with AWB there, sonny -- you just tagged Embracing Defeat, a Pulitzer-winning nonfiction work, as a novel! Jpatokal (talk) 09:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It was tagged as an article within the scope of WP:Novels (I removed it, see this diff). Sorry about that, but people need to be a little more careful about what project they put articles in! Sadads (talk) 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Planet killer deletion

You put the following notice on my Talk page: "A discussion has begun about whether the article Planet killer, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted". I'm curious as to what metric you used to obtain my name, since I don't think I've ever seen, much less contributed, to that article before, and my username appears nowhere in the article history. I think you'd better double-check. If you've sent out such notices to people who are not involved with the article, it may be that you've also failed to notify people who are involved.RandomCritic (talk) 15:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I invited everyone who participated in the original deletion discussion in 2007 (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Planet_killer) because all of the major early contributers were either IPs or their accounts are gone, Sadads (talk) 18:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

VWBot

I appreciate your constructive criticism of comparing my bot to a vandal. Perhaps you would like to pitch in at WP:CCI so that there's no need for automation? VernoWhitney (talk) 18:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

There may be need for animation, but the current animation is very clunky and is causing an overt amount of work for other users. Perhaps some sort of tag and backlog that isn't as intrusive as the current Copyvio tag. Something to the effect of "This page was edit by User:Example, who had a considerable history of copyright violation. Please examine this article for any possible .." This would do the same thing, without the blatant destruction of content your bot is doing now. Sadads (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I feel obligated to point out that the work has been caused by Pohick2/Accotink2 - they are a known repeat infringer and all of their edits have to be checked for copyright violations, the question is who checks them and when. What's your opinion of a tag like this one used previously? VernoWhitney (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

That one takes over the page when we are not at all sure whether the user did in fact violate copyright. I would prefer that above the text of the article, not hiding it.Even if that means we have a backlog that doesn't always get rapid attention, at least we are making very clear that we don't mean to have copyrighted material displayed and that if anyone finds objections, they should in fact remove it. I know it is not the ideal solution, but at least we aren't destroying content that we don't have a clear verdict on. I think it was very different in the case of User:Susanne2009NYC, who was very clearly using paraphrase materials, and even she did constructive edits along side. Accotink2 did a lot of very good and constructive work, and a finer toothed comb for articles that he created should be our major concern, not reverting everything that he worked on, Sadads (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to address your points in reverse order here and more generally than just the Accotink2 situation, if I may. I agree that a fine-tooth comb for those editors who have contributed good edits as well as copyvios is certainly preferrable because we would like to keep any clean edits, but the issue is that the backlog is rapidly growing and not enough editors are willing to actually spend the time and effort required to clean up copyvios, even when they are tagged. Do you honestly feel that tagging a page for a likely copyright problem will result in serious action being taken to uncover copyright problems beyond what already occurs by listing an article at WP:CCI? Even active articles with tens of thousands of viewers have copyright problems tagged for months with no action taken: see here for example. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Your backlog is not the only backlog that has difficulties, BLPs and Orphaned articles are very good examples. Backlog is good though, that means we are admitting to our problems, even though we will never have the manpower to make everything perfect. For CCI in particular, as long as OTRS is responsive to issues about copyrighted/problematic content from outside communities, I don't think a large backlog is exactly a problem. I think right now its more a matter of admitting our faults and reaching out to larger communities, and getting more people interested in Wikipedia in general and not worrying about fixing every mistake immediately.

Have you considered a semi-automated screening tools, instead of a pure bot. Perhaps something like Wiki Cleaner for dabs or AWB. I have a lot of success screening articles manually with AWB for orphaned stuff. It's a matter of bringing attention to your backlog, not hoping that people will show up and then doing massive and destructive automated edits. I am sure if you ran some large scale drives like BLP you could rally more interest. GOCE has also had a lot of success with that. I mean, I haven't seen anything in Signpost about CCI's activities ever. Perhaps get your CCI cases on the Arbitration report? That might get more people interested in your process, especially people that have had problems/interest in particular editors or their activities. Right now it feels like a backcorner operation that you only hear about when some user undergoes an investigation and gets banned and you happen happening to be watching a related page. I think more visibility is really important for you guys to get any success without being destructive with bots.Sadads (talk) 20:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand how semi-automated tools would help. Any chance you could be more specific about that? As far as a drive goes, organizing a group of people is not really my forte, but that's something I'll bring up for the project, thanks. While the wikiproject has been mentioned before, when I looked I couldn't find any mention of CCI until this week's Signpost. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I suggest some type of tool that moves through the tagged backlog and identifies the tagged contributions of the said editor and gives the screening volunteer a chance to make a decision based on the changes whether to revert or not, or tag for some other form of manual clean up. This could function kindof like AWB which allows you to do automatic changes however the user has to review each change before clicking save. Also WikiCleaner has a similar interface, but is focused on a particular backlog disambiguating links, I think could be a model for some type of Copyright screener that actually goes back and distinguishes which content comes from the CopyVio editor's contributions, Sadads (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I think the idea has possibilities, it will take some planning to figure out how best to set it up that would really help beyond going through CCI listings with Twinkle or the like, but I'll definitely look into it. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

It really could just be a variation on your current bots functions with a very human orientated GUI which you could refine to make a little more effective at actually finding copyvio, Sadads (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense, I'm not sure why I wasn't getting that before so thanks for explaining it in detail. Redesigning the code to actually find copyvio (at least by ruling out more non-copyvio elements) is what I'll be working on next for the fully automated task. Getting a robust and user-friendly GUI which displays those results would be the real trick then to a semi-automated tool after those refinements are made as it's been a few years since I wrote code for anything besides command-line interaction for personal use. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Night Thoughts of a Classical Physicist

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Assessment

Thanks for your comments, Sadads. I am not letting AWB automatically assess the articles I check. I do read the articles and make a judgment on classification. Rpyle731^talk 04:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

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