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You have been temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia as a result of your disruptive edits. You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our policies concerning neutral point of view and biographies of living persons will not be tolerated.

As you continue to be rude, insulting, hound people, and be unresponsive to the communitie's concerns, take this one week break to think about the issues. Hopefully you'll realize what caused this to pass and won't do it again. Just a few recent examples: [1], WQ thread, and driving away a longtime productive user. Wiki is a consensus based environment and your behavior is highly counterproductive to that. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the first time you do a punitive block to me. How will this week off resolve any of the problems you see? Also, don't worry about the "longtime productive user". He'll be back maybe before your block expires. That's just the usual drama. --Damiens.rf 20:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A few more recent examples: [2], [3], [4] — Rlevse • Talk • 18:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is not punitive. Myself and others have told you that you need to stop this behavior. Since you fail to heed that, this block is preventing such behavior for the near term and hopefully you'll use that time to realize you need to mend the ways you insult and hound other users. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I promise I will hold my thong, avoid commenting about any editor (and just report - and never reply - whenever an editor comment on me), would you unblock me? If I fail, you can block me for, like, 12 days. Deal?

Of course, if unblocked, I will continue my image cleaning operations (just without saying nothing about no user!). If the problem is actually my nominations, and not my behavior, then this negotiation would no be interesting for you. --Damiens.rf 20:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)--Damiens.rf 20:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, nevermind. I guess I understand what the problem actually is. --Damiens.rf 03:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

block

Damien,

I hope you take this time to reflect upon why it has happened. You work is vital to the project, as vital as that of any active editor. But even the best work can be undone by not understanding the need for civility. Also, try to understand that ultimately all policies are irrelevant: there is only building an encyclopedia. Protecting the project from legal action in terms of copyright cannot be done at the expense of building relevant content, however uninteresting it is to you personally.--24.47.111.41 (talk) 19:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damien, all you needed to do was just respond to the case that was open and behave, that's all i asked. But i got an update that you continued your rude behavior, so thats just to let you know, that you deserved to be blocked. Now like everyone else said, take these 7 days to think about what you did and how to react with other wikipedians. Cheers,--GeneralCheese 21:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hector Santiago Photo

Hi there. Basically I saw a source online (similar to this but not this actual one) that indicated its origin as stated on the image page. I considered the press angle but given that he was only a spec-4 and the shot's composition I didn't think that likely. I'll spend some time in the next days and find the online source with some provenance again - google images can be very frustrating. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your mass deleting files uploaded by User:Marine 69-71

I just thought you should know I added the folloing comment to the talk page of the file deletion workspace page. I work primarily on US military biographical articles, especially Medal of Honor recipients and I have noticed a huge number of files coming up recommended for deletion by a single user User:Damiensrf. Upon further review it appears that nearly all of the files that this user is focusiing their attention on belong to one user, User:Marine 69-71. Due to the sheer volume of files that this user has submitted for deletion many of them are being automatically deleted because knowone argues them and given that he is submitting dozens a day I simply don't have the time to go through each and every one of them to argue points for or against. Although there are some that I agree should probably be deleted there are many that I do not. Since it appears to me that this Damiens user is using this file deletion process as a means to attack the Marine 69-71 user I refuse to vote either way on any of them and I recommend that Damiens be limited to files not uploaded by Marine 69-71. --Kumioko (talk) 21:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no knowledge of or opinion of interaction between Damiens.rf and Marine 69-71. However, if there is some history there, is that a reason not to submit articles and or files for deletion if they otherwise might meet deletion criteria? If someone is mass-deleting without checking individual files, wouldn't you want to check with that person? And, unless I'm reading the logs wrong, hasn't Marine 69-71 deleted a bunch of them in the past? Frank | talk 22:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm crossposting this from the Files for Deletion talk - I've skimmed through some of the images that User:Damiens.rf has put up for deletion, and the ones that I have looked at seem to be legitimate concerns about the copyright status of the images. I don't see that they are frivolous or abusive complaints. If I saw that most of the images reported by User:Damiens.rf were fraudulent or erroneous claims, then I could see your complaint. Which ones do you think should stay on wikipedia because their copyright status is properly documented? I could help out, but I didn't see anything blatant. I think a good use of your time would be, especially since you have an interest in US military articles, to defend those images that you believe to have a reasonable claim to staying on wikipedia, rather than just opting out of the process altogether and complaining here. The project page says this "To quote the non-free content criteria, 'it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; those seeking to remove or delete it are not required to show that one cannot be created — see burden of proof.' " - Chromatikoma (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Posting valid IFDs is not a pass to ignore legit community concerns and wikihound users by following them around. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to clean up the mess on Porto Rico related articles. I'm sorry the guy uploaded 3 thousand problematic images there. Being a good contributor is not a pass to ignore our image use policy. --Damiens.rf 04:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Medal of Honor and award citations

Please do not delete the award citations from the articles, especially from the Medal of Honor recipient articles. Although I believe that your edits are well intentioned it is acceptable, appropriate and IMPORTANT to have the actual citation available on the article. I am going to go back through and revert any that I find but please stop doing it. Additionally, I noticed that you again are targetting only those articles that were relating to puerto rican recipients and have been worked on by User:Marine 69-71. Whatever problem you have with this user or with puerto ricans, I recommend you let it go or I will be forced to request that you be, at least temporarily, blocked from editing.--Kumioko (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please, consider using Wikisource (or nothing at all). Encyclopedic articles are not supposed to be homages to the subjects covered, and those articles were turned into that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damiens.rf (talk • contribs)

Wikisource is not the only valid reference. What makes MOH recipients notable is the MOH and reporting it's wording is homage, but legit article info. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, At first I considered that the edits you were making were well intentioned, but now I think you are being argumentative. I asked you not to remove teh citations and yet you did it anyway. I have again reverted those articles back to their previous state before you vandalized them. Please stop doing this because you are distracting me from real edits. I will be asking for you to be blocked from editing for a period of a week. Maybe they will and maybe they won't but that is what I am going to request. --Kumioko (talk) 04:02, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of asking for the blocking of those who don't agree wit you, why don't you ask for more opinions about the matter being discussed? --Damiens.rf 04:15, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The inclusion of MOH citations is valid and their wording is all available on official very reliable sources. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not discussing the reliability of the information. I'm discussing how appropriate it is for Wikipedia to have article (lists) with so much quoted mremoved aterial. The article page looks like a homage to the people mentioned.

By the way, where would be a good place to ask for more opinions on the matter? The articles' talk pages are not much visited. Is there something like a Article Style Noticeboard? Thanks, --Damiens.rf 11:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've been watching your editing for some time. You've been given good advice above by two qualified editors, and you are stubbornly refusing to listen. I am now convinced that you are a disruptive force, a net harm to the encyclopedia, and therefore I am blocking your account indefinitely, that is, until you convince me or a consensus of administrators at WP:AN that you will edit properly, specifically:

Avoid further actions that appear to be racist.
Avoid violating WP:POINT.
Avoid hounding editors such as User:Rlevse or User:Marine 69-71.
Refrain from citation vandalism.
Observe the requirement to relate civilly and collegially with other editors.

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for repeated abuse of editing privileges. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.

Jehochman ^Brrr 14:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This user is asking that his block be reviewed:

Damiens.rf (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I honestly do not understand this indef block. What have I done wrong since my last (one day ago) block? When have I been "racist"? What makes one believe I have hounded User:Rlevse? What is "citation vandalism" and when did I commit that?

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Read the above discussion and address the concerns. Removing valid citations is a form of vandalism. If you continue to remove them, or express the intention to do so, even after being told to stop by two different, knowledgeable editors, that's a problem. There's also a concern that you've taken an unhealthy interest in the work of User:Marine 69-71. What is your explanation? Jehochman ^Brrr 15:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of huge blocks of quoted text from three similar articles was an editorial decision, and I just reverted them one time, once they have been silently reverted (no edit-comment). No edit war, no vandalism. When the user discussing the matter decided to ask someone to block me instead of discussing the matter, I went after to third part opinions.

I do have currently an interest in cleaning up some mess existing in Porto Rico related articles, that's mostly due to poor sources, overly positive POV in some biographies and a high number of violations of our polices over non-free content. It's a fact that that Marine guy wrote most of the articles related to Porto Rico, and have uploaded some hundred images, mostly violating our police (what can be noticed by the huge number of them that are deleted or have to be fixed when I raise concerns). Unfortunately, Marine took that personally.

Before Porto Rico, I have made image clean-ups on articles related to Australia, Canada, Greece... users always think it's personal, or some vendetta against some country, but my real overall area of interest is non-free content usage on Wikipedia and the use of articles as a promotional venue.

If this is what you mean by "actions that appear to be racist", I can't promise I'll "avoid them". I believe the users (me and you included) are supposed to assume good faith and judge any of my deletion nominations at the value of it's argument. --Damiens.rf 16:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please, consider posting your actions on WP:ANI for review by fellow admins. --Damiens.rf 16:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would you consider organizing your work in a way that does not excessively target the work of particular users? It can be very demoralizing for a user when somebody goes around deleting all of their work. It would be far better to talk to the user about problems and enlist their help in cleaning up. Should that fail, you could then contact a third party or start a community discussion. The way you've been going about things creates a bad appearance and is frankly destructive. As it happens, you were quite wrong about removing citations and quotations from Medal of Honor biographies, and I can certainly underrstand why users thought this was vandalism. We have to judge people by the appearance of their actions; we can never know exactly what a user has been thinking. Jehochman ^Brrr 16:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"we can never know exactly what a user has been thinking" - That's why we're supposed to assume good faith.

I'm afraid it would be hard to work on articles related to Porto Rico without stumbling on Marine's shoes, since the guy touched every article on the matter. I have no intentions of offending him, or even of interacting with him any more than the necessary. Most of the times, users react personally to unpersonal deletion-nominations. Although I have failed in the past, I'm doing my best to avoid joining such discussions when they appear. --Damiens.rf 16:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It goes beyond nominating images for deletion . Damiens has been hounding Marine with his disruptive editing and ignoring other editors concerns. BTW, are you deliberately misspelling Puerto Rico for Porto Rico? --Jmundo (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the misspelling. --Damiens.rf 16:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Damiens, please take a little time to think about both the proximate issue, and the broader issues. If you can show an understanding of why you're having problems with other editors, and what you'd do differently, I will unblock you. After 24 hours I will come back and review matters and consider setting a definite block length in any case. Jehochman ^Brrr 16:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm coming from a recent 10 days block (1 day ago) due to the issues you mention. It's not justifiable to indef block me at this time. I have not being engaged in "problems" since them. Calling me a racist is offensive. Accusing me of hounding Rsleve is baseless (he is the one's that pop-ups out of nothing into my talk page and on articles I touch). User:Jehochman, unblock me now or submit you actions for review at WP:ANI (as you have suggested yourself on your block message). That would be the honest thing to do at this point. --Damiens.rf 16:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is an outrageous block. Rlevse and Jehochman come and bully someone they disagree with on content issues, blocking them indefinitely without attempting any dispute resolution. And Jehochman goes so far as to make unsupported accusations of racism. The thugs who engage in this kind of behavior should be banned post haste. I'm disgusted. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Please, User:ChildofMidnight, would you raise this issue on a broader forum (like WP:ANI or something appropriate) for others to review? Jehochman have suggested a ANI discussion on his block message, but I got no success in convincing him to post his actions for review. Would you do that? --Damiens.rf 18:01, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It won't do you any good because Jehochman and Rlevse have stood by silently and encouraged users like Tarc and Mathsci to stalk my contributions at the noticeboards (while accusing me of disruption), so it will just turn into another attack on me by political POV pushers.

Hopefully Jehochman and Rlevse will come to their senses and attempt to work through their dispute with you out appropriately.

I'm horrified that Jehochman and Rlevse continue to abusively use their positions of authority to impose their will and to violate so many of our core policies regarding assume good faith, dispute resolution protocols, civility, stalking and harassment. They are guilty of everything they accuse you of doing, and frankly if I were to post something at ANI I fear my comments might be intermperate given how outrageous their words and actions here and in other circumstances are. Let's give them time to course correct and hope for the best. It's probably best not to sink to their level. I don't want to be covered in sludge.

Damiens would you be willing to hold off on further image nominations and MOH citation quote trimming until the issues raised can be sorted out?ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had already stopped the "quotes trimming" and looked for third party opinions by the time Jehochman indef blocked-me.

As for image nominations, I had never been blocked due to image nominations. My understanding of the image policies is solid and even users that dislike me agree with that. --Damiens.rf 18:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A neutral message at ANI just to raise attention would do the job. But I understand you if you prefer to stay out. In any case, what follows is what Jehochman sent me on a private message:

“

I am quite comfortable with my block. I don't block and then request a review. That's for the administrator who reviews your request to decide, not me.

”

— User:Jehochman, e-mail message

I really wish someone to review this block--Damiens.rf 18:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully we can avoid the drama boards. I see Frank has asked for clarification on Jehochman's talk page. Hopefully he and Rlevse will back off the block and discuss their concerns like civilized adults so their disruption and abusive behavior won't require further discussion and attention from the community. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested a block review at WP:AN. Good luck. I'm going outside. This kind of admin abuse makes me nauseous. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! --Damiens.rf 19:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]