Talk:John Buscema

Scott Free's recent edit, reverted by Emperor, was to a mirror site that contains the version largely written by Scott Free's former identity, Skyelarke, which was disallowed by both RfC consensus and a lengthy Arbitration. Aside from Wikipedia's strictures against linking to mirror sites, this was a back-door attempt to thwart the letter/spirit of the consensus and the Arbitration, and should be brought up to the Arbitration admins if it is attempted again. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Nationmaster links

I consulted the external links section and could not find anything that would discount including the link - moreover, the site itself has much to establish reliability and the article per se is useful.

--Scott Free (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

You know quite well that was the User:Skyelarke version that was disallowed by consensus and Arbitration. User:J Greb is an admin who indicated on your talk page, before you erased his post, that the link was inappropriate. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Mno#Nationmaster which puts it squarely in WP:EL#Restrictions on linking (as it is in breach of GFDL).

It also fails various other parts of WP:EL:

• Most explicitly: "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article" - given that this is an old version of this entry it can't provide anything new even when merely compared to the current version let alone what it could be.
• An interesting case could also be made for it violating WP:EL#ADV - if I wrote an article for Wired I'd expect that to stop me from linking to it.

Clearly, as has been stated, there are other broader issues in relation to the Arbitration Committee ruling and both you and Tenebrae should be cautious about your edits to this page and the addition of that link is a pretty blatant attempt to get around things like consensus. In the normal run of events that would cause a few raised eyebrows and the link would be removed - given your history with this page it becomes an issue and edit warring to try and get the link to stick is making a bad situation worse. (Emperor (talk) 03:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC))

The link provided for Nationmaster is sufficient for me to consider the matter resolved - as for the rest of your concerns, I have already made an arbitration enforcement request.

--Scott Free (talk) 03:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

PS - Damage control - The link was put up in good faith, following proper procedure, and transparent identification to the best of my knowledge - the allegations against me mentioned above by various parties are, as can be seen, substantiated more by hearsay and speculation rather than by facts.

Re: 'Most explicitly: "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article" - given that this is an old version of this entry it can't provide anything new even when merely compared to the current version let alone what it could be.'

There's actually quite an irony in the above comment, read both articles and see what I mean.

--Scott Free (talk) 00:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you might want to enlighten us? (Emperor (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC))

There's no irony: The "additional information" of Scott Free's old version is primarily POV and uncited claims, among other problems, as a consensus of editors and an Arbitration ruling decided. His continual beating of this dead horse is inappropriate and should end. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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RE ban

As the problems of the original arb case are still ongoing, User:Scott Free and User:Tenebrae are banned again for 3 months from the John Buscema article, ie, until 24:00, 11 Nov 2008 UTC. They may edit the talk page. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#John_Buscema for more info. 20:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)