Talk:Tropical rainforest

Complete revision of page's outline

I am part of a class where my professors have challenged us to revise various wikipedia pages concerning topics in our class. My group and I have been assigned the tropical rainforest page. We understand that tropical rainforests is a rather broad topic and that wikipedia already has three pages dedicated to this: tropical rainforest, rainforest, and Tropical & Subtropical Moist Broadleaf Forest. As a group we felt that there is a need to re-organize this page to better match the format of other biome wikipedia pages. We would also like to combine information from the other pages similar to tropical rainforest to make this page more comprehensive.

We would like to format the page with 7 sections: Introduction, Description (subsections: Natural History, Types of trop. rainforest, forest structre), Ecology (subsections: Soils, climate, carbon flux), Geography, Flora & Fauna (subsections: Flora, Fauna, Biodiversity & Speciation), Human Dimensions (subsections: indigenous peoples, resources, research), Conservation (subsections: threats, conservation efforts).

We also understand that there are existing pages for many of these topics above and they will be linked accordingly.

Our time to edit this page and finish our project is limited. If there are any requests/concerns about our editing and formatting please let us know - we are more than willing to be part of this editing community. Gazelle13 (talk) 16:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)Gazelle13

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it says in the first paragraph that Tropical Rainforests produce 40% of the world's oxygen, but then in the next paragraph it says that Tropical Rainforests are oxygen neutral, producing little or no oxygen! ??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.188.149 (talk) 04:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism

Manually reverted vandalism by 96.224.198.195 at 23:31, 4 January 2008. Noted user page. =UseUrHeadFred (talk) 09:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone has just complained that I vandalised the 'Tropical Rainforest' page. I DID NOT, Until today when I came on it to leave this message I've never even been on the page! I am a bit concerned to have been accused of vandalising a page like that. Skekayuk 21:53, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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I am doing a massive edit on this article. DO NOT edit for at least an hour. General Eisenhower (talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I'm done with major editing. You can edit it once more. General Eisenhower (talk • contribs) 19:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Split

Some of this article may refer to "tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forests" as the main topics rather than the rainforest, but it shouldn't. Background: This article (Tropical rainforest) was moved to Tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forests for a while, and then that article was split in two, with half of it going back here (tropical rainforest). "Tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forests" is a broader topic, of which "tropical rainforest" is only a part. Some old talk would be found in Talk:Tropical and subtropical moist broadleaf forests. Please help keep the differences between these topics clear. Cheers. —Pengo 21:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed a lot of material on a single specific ethnic group that makes some use of rainforest from the "Human uses" section. While I'm sure it was all perfectly accurate it is also only very tangential to the subject at hand. In addition a full paragraph on one single ethnic group is way overboard. If we included a similar amount of material on the literally thousands of other ethnic groups that make some use of rainforests worldwide the article would be a mess. Everyone has thier favourite group or other hobby horse, but if we can't do justice to all, or at least a representive sample, there is neither purpoise nor fairness in delving into fine detail on one.

I suggest the contributor starts a new artciel to detail that ethnic group. Such anthropological/religious detail doesn't belong in what should be an ecology article, IMO anyway. 203.164.198.193

Organisms

In the tropical rainforest many species o plant are existent. These include - Bromeliads: Closely related to the pineapple family, can catch rain water in a bowl held in by their thick waxy leaves. They can hold several gallon of water and nurture mini ecosystems.

- Epiphytes: Also called air plants, epiphytes are found on the trunk, branches, and even the leaves of a tree. Epiphytes include cacti, lichens, ferns, and orchids.

- Saprophytes: These are the rainforest's decomposers. Most are microbes, and not visible to the naked eye.

- Buttress Roots: Additional support that branches out from the base of a trunk of the tree.

- Lianas: Lianas are a type of climbing vine found mainly in tropical rainforests. Once they reach the top of the canopy they often branch off to other trees or twist themselves around other lianas. This network of vines gives support against strong winds to the top-heavy trees.

the last statement is incorrect. Liana are a structural parasite which are more likely to cause damage/death to trees. Furthermore - this network of vines means that when a tree does go there is an increased likelihood of it taking other with it. Sepilok2007 (talk) 07:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

=Conservation

I deleted the section on conservation. The section contained no information, just a link to an extremely poorly written article on "Rainforest Conservation".Ethel Aardvark 00:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Plant Adaptations

Plant Adaptations You might consider adding a small section on Plant Adaptations. This may be a lot of work but it is often some of the more sought after information when researching rainforests, also its a real pain to have nothing on Wikipedia about it. :)

External Links / Conservation Efforts

How about adding Cool Earth? It's the website of a charity that allows you to sponsor rainforest, a half-acre at a time, so that they can protect it against logging. Logging would have the effect of releasing carbon into the atmosphere and so contribute to global warming.

Unregistered users are currently blocked from editing this page; please could an established user add this for me? Cheers! 218.79.193.143 03:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

If this website is making claims that "Logging would have the effect of releasing carbon into the atmosphere and so contribute to global warming" then I won't be adding it because it is demonstrably not reputable. That claim is a load of bollocks. Logging of rainforest actually increases carbon sequestration. It is clearing of rainforest that increases atmospheric carbon. and cleairng =/= logging.. Ethel Aardvark

Forgive me for mixing up "logging" and "clearing". I guess you guys have already checked the website for yourselves by now but for the record...

...the website does not say that cutting down the rainforests for timber (logging) contributes to global warming. It does, however, talk about other environmental damage caused by logging, such as species destruction, which it also aims to prevent by buying up rainforest. I guess they chose the name 'Cool Earth' because 'Cool, diversely populated, holding-promise-of-many-more-cures-for-disease Earth' wasn't catchy enough :o) 15 mins 16:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Map

The distribution map seems to be somewhat lacking. If it is to be believed then there is no tropical rainforest on the Australian continent, none in Polynesia, none in Southern Africa, None in the central and Southern Andes and on the Indian subcontinent it is restricted to Bangladesh. The ommisions are glaring and as it stands the map contradicts the distribution range given in the article.Ethel Aardvark 06:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

? A search reveals no mention of those areas within the article. So where is the contradiction? Vsmith 00:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Standardisation

We need to standardised name within this article e.g. rain forest vs rainforest under story vs understory (or understorey) Sepilok2007 (talk) 07:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Climate change Peat & Siberia

Not sure what the relavence of the new addition is. I think you probably mean tropical peatswamp forests are major carbon sinks, not all TRF. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sepilok2007 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

This page currently uses the term rainforest - should it be changed to tropical rainforest throughout so as not to confuse this info with temperate rainforests? Would a section at the top saying "this is tropical, for rainforests in general go here" be better? Kea2 (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)657

fast facts

someone keeps reverting my fast facts section that I keep putting at the end of the article! Who is it and who wants me to put it back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.105.160 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 18 May 2008

Your fast facts are unsourced and unneeded - the material is in the article if important. Vsmith (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone added fast facts with a few random words underneath. I didn't see the point in it, and reverted. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Which fact is true?

With respect to the percentage of the world's animals and plants in the tropical rain forests, is it 50% or 66%? Please note the 2 different references in this article:

    "Rainforests are home to half of all the living animal and plant species on the planet.[2]" 

    "Rainforests are home to two-thirds of all the living animal and plant species on the planet."

Is it safe to assume that the cited passages are the most accurate such as in this case?

24.6.152.197 (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)celerygreen, user

In what way is "Human uses: Conversion to Agricultural Land" unbalanced

Can someone tell me how that section is unbalanced so that I can attempt to correct the imbalance. What information or POV has been neglected? What do you think needs to be added?Ethel Aardvark (talk) 09:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I would like to ask what the definition of the tropical rainforest is....

As it is important to the conservation--202.173.190.40 (talk) 02:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's tropical. It has rain. And it is a forest. Anyway, read the article. Simon \\ KSK ^{Yes we can!} 02:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

What I mean is a standard classification base on documentation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.173.190.40 (talk) 04:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC) Otherwise, my view of a tropical rainforest may not be agreed by others--202.173.190.40 (talk) 04:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I just found one but I'm not sure if it's official http://nzdl.sadl.uleth.ca/cgi-bin/library?e=d-00000-00---off-0ccgi--00-0--0-10-0---0---0prompt-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0-0-11-1-0utfZz-8-00&cl=CL2.5&d=HASHb91de0211405a241159393.2.4>=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.173.190.40 (talk) 05:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

When I search the google scholar, I only found this

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?as_q=tropical+rainforest+classification&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_allsubj=all&hl=en&lr=

However, I did find this

http://rainforest-australia.com/Tropical_Rainforest.htm

http://rainforest-australia.com/Australian_Tropical_Rainforest.htm

Wish I could find the above info from a government website, hey? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.173.190.40 (talk) 05:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I also explored this

http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=allintitle%3A+rainforest+classification&btnG=Search

and found most of the classification are focused on foliages. What about animal habitats? Can they be used for classification as well? --202.173.190.40 (talk) 05:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I've article-linked the words 'rainforest' and the +/-28 degrees to identify what these mean. 87.194.150.80 (talk) 04:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Spelling

"Academic resoruces" in this article is misspelled and needs to be corrected.Sparkal2526 (talk) 14:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup, done. Thanks, Vsmith (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

"Arctic snowforest"

Somebody ban the fool who changed this article to opposite terms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.90.51.138 (talk) 05:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

800px-tropical wet forests.png

Is there not a large part of the Amazon missing from this diagram, specifically south of the Amazon Basin? Or that area classified differently to tropical rainforest? Zarcadia (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

More vandalism

Why does this talk page attract so much vandalism? It's almost the only thing happening here... MuDavid (talk) 14:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 94.98.241.150, 27 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} ar:غابة إستوائية

94.98.241.150 (talk) 04:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

 Not done The code already exists in the article. BejinhanTalk 04:28, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Different information

The first part of the article says that: Minimum normal annual rainfall between 1,750 millimetres (69 in) and 2,000 millimetres (79 in) occurs in this climate region. Mean monthly temperatures exceed 18 °C (64 °F) during all months of the year.

Under Characteristics it says: The temperature ranges from 15 (59°F) to 51°C (122°F) and 125 to 660 cm of rainfall yearly.

The information seems to be different. 173.183.115.196 (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Link overdose

Wow, WAAAY too many pointless links in this article. Do we really need a link to shrubs? And sometimes it gets flatly misleading- rainforest???

What's the point of all these links?

Kielbasa1 (talk) 06:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

only according to some scientist

"Tropical rainforests are unable to support human life" this is only according to some scientists, many believe that it is indeed possible to live a hunter-gatherer life in tropical rainforest, so i'm gonna change it to according to some scientists Tropical rainforests are unable to support human life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.20.190 (talk) 15:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you provide any refercne for this claim thatit is only some scientists? If not I am going to revert this to reflect the information in the references. Mark Marathon (talk) 10:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)