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Samir Aït Saïd

... that gymnast Samir Aït Saïd (pictured) performed a backflip as the French team walked in during the 2020 Summer Olympics opening ceremony?
... that the New York City government sought to demolish a wall around the Isaac L. Rice Mansion for five years?
... that Mayling Oey-Gardiner went from being a University of Indonesia clerk to a full professor?
... that according to Brandy Hellville, executives at Brandy Melville have bought the clothes off of employees' backs?
... that a California TV station wondered whether it had the "World's Longest Pregnancy"?
... that it will soon be illegal for government employees to gamble in the country of Georgia?
... that Czech industrialist Jan Felkl founded a company in 1854 that would produce globes in 17 languages?
... that the Russian and Belarusian military exercise Zapad 2013 was officially described as counterterrorist, but international observers concluded that it was a preparation for a conventional war?
... that after criticizing the political patronage system, John Silva Meehan was hired as Librarian of Congress through "purely an act of political patronage"?

This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section (reproduced on the right) on the Main Page.

Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

DYK criteria

Official criteria: DYK rules
Unofficial criteria: LaPella's unwritten rules

DYK evaluation includes:

Length - The Article should contain at least 1,500 characters in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). This is a mandatory minimum; in practice, articles having more than 1,500 characters of prose still may be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators.
Verification - The DYK hook fact in the article needs an inline cite at the end of the sentence and the article in general should use inline, cited sources.
Date - The new article should be no more than five days old and the expanded article should be expanded at least fivefold with new text within the last five days.

Length

DYK qualifying characters: To count the number of characters in a piece of text, you will need to use a JavaScript extension like User:Dr pda/prosesize.js (instructions on the talk page), a free website like this, or an external software program that has a character-counting feature. For example, if you are using Microsoft Word, select the text from the article page (or, in the case of "Did you know" nominations, this Talk page) – not the edit page containing Wikitext – then copy and paste it into a blank document. Click "Tools" ("Review" in Office 2007), then "Word Count", and note the "Characters (with spaces)" figure. Other word processing programs may have a similar feature. For Mac users, Apple has a Word counter widget available for Mac OS X 10.4 or later. Note: The character counts indicated on "Revision history" pages are not accurate for DYK purposes as they include categories, infoboxes and similar text in articles, and comments and signatures in hooks on this page.
Lists: Proposed lists need 1,500+ characters of prose text. The listed items themselves are not counted as part the the 1,500 DYK qualifying characters

Verification

Suggested facts (the 'hook') should be:
1. interesting to draw in a variety of readers,
2. short and concise (fewer than about 200 characters, including spaces),
3. neutral,
4. definite facts that are mentioned in the article, and
5. always cited in the article with an inline citation.
Please note that hooks are subject without notice to copyediting as they move to the main page. The nature of the DYK process makes it impractical to consult users over every such edit. In particular, hooks will be shortened if they are deemed too long: the 200-character limit is an outside limit, not a recommended length. Also, watch the suggestions page to ensure that no issues have been raised about your hook, because if you do not respond to issues raised your hook may not be featured at all.
Articles on living individuals must be carefully checked to ensure that no unsourced or poorly sourced negative material is included. Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided.

Other issues

Pictures: Pictures accompanying the DYK hook should be:
1. freely licensed suitably and freely (PD, GFDL, CC etc) licensed (NOT fair use) because the main page can only have freely licensed pictures;
2. suitable, attractive, and interesting at a 100x100px-wide resolution;
3. already in the article; and
4. relevant to the article.

Sounds: Sounds accompanying the DYK hook should have similar qualities to pictures, and should be formatted using {{DYK Listen|filename.ogg|Brief description}}

Sample DYK suggestion strings

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}
To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

To add a comment: |comment=

To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.

An example of how to use the template is given below:

{{subst:DYKsug
 | article   = Example
 | hook      = ... that this [[article]] is an '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''?
 | creator   = Jimbo Wales
 | expander  = 
 | nominator =
 | image     = Example.png
 | comment   =
}}

Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name|May 20}} Thanks, ~~~~

Symbols

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or that there is an issue with the article or hook, you may use the following symbols (optional) to point the issues out:

Code	DYK Ready?	Description
{{subst:DYKtick}}	Yes	No problems, ready for DYK
{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with `{{subst:DYKproblem\|Article}}`
{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires some additional work. Notify nominator with `{{subst:DYKproblem\|Article}}`
{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem}} on the user's talk page, in case they do not notice if there is an issue.

Current status

DYK queue status

There are currently 3 filled queues. Admins, please consider promoting a prep to queue if you have the time!

Earliest time for next DYK update: 00:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Current time: 04:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Update frequency: once every 24 hours

Last updated: 4 hours ago(

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The next update will be produced from queue 3.

There are five queues;

Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
Count of DYK Hooks
February 28	1	1
March 31	1	1
April 5	1	1
April 13	1
April 14	4	1
April 15	1
April 17	1	1
April 18	1	1
April 19	1
April 20	2
April 24	1	1
April 25	3
April 26	4	3
April 27	4	3
April 28	7	5
April 29	8	2
April 30	11	6
May 1	9	6
May 2	6	2
May 3	5	5
May 4	6	3
May 5	9	5
May 6	11	8
May 7	11	7
May 8	10	3
May 9	11	6
May 10	14	6
May 11	8	6
May 12	14	7
May 13	8	5
May 14	11	8
May 15	7	6
May 16	9	2
May 17	14	4
May 18	7	5
May 19	4
May 20	1
Total	227	120
Last updated 04:38, 20 May 2024 UTC Current time is 04:47, 20 May 2024 UTC [refresh]

Backlogged?

This page often seems to be backlogged. If the DYK template has not been updated for substantially more than 6 hours, it may be useful to attract the attention of one of the administrators who regularly updates the template. See the page Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins for a list of administrators who have volunteered to help with this project.

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the hook you submitted to this page, in most cases it means your article has been approved and is in the queue for display on the main page. You can check whether your hook has been moved to the queue by reviewing the queue listings at the bottom of this page.

If your hook is not in the queue or already on the main page, it has probably been deleted. Deletion occurs if the hook is more than about eight days old and has unresolved issues for which any discussion has gone stale. If you think your hook has been unfairly deleted, you can query its deletion on the discussion page, but as a general rule deleted hooks will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on January 11

Diadema setosum

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that as an explanation for the collection of a non-native specimen of the Indo-Pacific sea urchin Diadema setosum off the coast of Turkey in 2006, it has been proposed that an aquarist might have released the specimen? Shrumster (talk) 22:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Bligh

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Sue Green

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Nigel Hamilton (author)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Nigel Hamilton's biography of Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery won one of the most prestigious British literary awards, the Whitbread Award, for best biography? Ip208man (talk) 20:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Istanbul Hezarfen Airfield

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Bakery Music

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Pretty Little Head (song)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Japan–Netherlands relations

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

In the image file name, the word "Japanese" is misspelled. So when promoting to Next Update, remember to give this a new caption (|Curious Japanese ... ), rather than allow "Japenese" to appear on the Main Page as a rollover caption. Art LaPella (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rodney Landers

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

The Times They Are a-Changin' (song)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Harry Kinnard

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Donald Gleason

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

SC 1880 Frankfurt

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Jon Tvedt

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

T2000

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Tore Linné Eriksen

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggest making it "what was described as the first genocide in the Twentieth Century". If we state it was the first genocide, someone somewhere will come up with something else. Might as well be safe.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sandefjord Airport Station

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Checked. Punkmorten (talk) 20:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Simone de Beauvoir Prize

Template:DYKsuggestion at -- 07:59, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Don Brown (football coach)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Adrian Goldsmith

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

How does one shoot down ¼ aircraft? Punkmorten (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because credit for shooting down a specific enemy aircraft can be shared. But maybe we need to explain that better. Art LaPella (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Denning

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Length and dates check out, offline reference accepted AGF. - Dravecky (talk) 07:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Storrs Grierson

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Sophia Smith Collection archivist Margaret Storrs Grierson was married to Sir Herbert Grierson, Rector of the University of Edinburgh? Rosiestep (talk) 04:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Rosiestep (talk) 04:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sugar pie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Juste de Juste

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Utah Jazz head coaches

... that Frank Layden is the only Utah Jazz head coach to have his number retired by the Jazz? New article, self-nom by -- SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24 _{review me} 02:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

State Fair Community College

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Perth, Western Australia

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment Perth is only one of the most isolated cities in the World and isn't the most isolated city[1]. Bidgee (talk) 02:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but Perth, Western Australia isn't a new or fivefold-expanded article. Please see #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 03:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Keyserling

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 10

1927 Nagpur riots

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Eugene McGuinness

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hugh Pigot (Royal Navy captain), Sir Edward Hamilton, 1st Baronet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Flekkefjord Station

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Eric Lewis (actor)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

McLean Game Refuge

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Bernard Daly Educational Fund

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Marilyn Krysl

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Reservisor

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Philadelphia and Kansas City Athletics Opening Day starting pitchers

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:01, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Big Boy (The Jackson 5 song)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Exopolitics

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion. Art LaPella (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Building 101

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

BSA M20

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church Administration Building

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Parakou

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19.00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

List of places called Bristol

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Should that be "at least thirty-five"? For instance, I couldn't find Bristol, Alabama, but here are some of various people who claim to live there. Art LaPella (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Revised hook: ... that there are at least thirty-five populated places called Bristol?

Good idea, you never know how many tiny places there are that don't appear on any map. — Gasheadsteve ^{Talk to me} 10:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Corney Grain

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Building 257

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

To My Surprise (album)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

HMS Albemarle (1779)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Astro MAX

Template:DYKsuggestion Starkiller88 (talk) 14:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article currently isn't long enough for Did You Know. Please see #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bat No. 2 Light Roadster

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 10:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article currently isn't long enough for Did You Know. Please see #Instructions for details. Art LaPella (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just expanded it to 1788 characters (without refs or infobox etc as counted by MS Word) I spent a while researching this but there is very little info. I doubt it can ever be expanded five times. Thanks Thruxton (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2094 characters according to prosesize.js, which is enough. New articles don't have to be expanded five times. Another way to look at it is that 2094 divided by zero equals expanded infinity times. Art LaPella (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Route 31E in Kentucky, Coxs Creek, Kentucky

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Tiger Conway, Sr.

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Great Divide Brewing Company

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Dates, length, and reference check out okay. - Dravecky (talk) 08:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Speed Grapher characters

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

As a note, this is my first DYK, so don't hesitate to let me know if I've done anything wrong. This was moved from userspace to mainspace on January 10. NOCTURNENOIR ^{( m • t • c )} 02:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the case that some part of the title needs to be mentioned, an ALT can be

... that Chōji Suitengu, a character from the anime Speed Grapher, rolls his cigarettes with 10,000 yen bills?

NOCTURNENOIR ^{( m • t • c )} 04:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Love and Marriage

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Fort Liscum

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 9

Théodore Vienne

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Théodore Vienne alternative hook and alternative image

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Charles A. Baird

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:11, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

McGehee-Stringfellow House

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ned Tanen

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

All we did was make a picture about college fraternity life in the 1960's

Australia-Chile Free Trade Agreement

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Arthur Dodd (Auschwitz survivor)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Fort Terry

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Created by Schrandit way back in 2006. --IvoShandor (talk) 14:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shale oil

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that in 1596, the personal physician of Frederick I, Duke of Württemberg wrote of shale oil healing properties? Beagel (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that shale oil was used to light the streets of Modena, Italy, at the turn of the 17th century? Beagel (talk) 14:44, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternanthera mosaic virus

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that while the Alternanthera mosaic virus was discovered in the plant Alternanthera, it has since been found in other genera of plants? Shrumster (talk) 06:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delaware State Park

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified --Eustress (talk) 02:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Lake Regional Park

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Geoffrey Shaw

... that the church music composer Geoffrey Shaw was the father of Sebastian Shaw, who played Anakin Skywalker in Return of the Jedi? - new, self-nom. by Xn4 (talk) 00:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Featherbed frame

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Puna de Atacama Lawsuit

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Lysurus mokusin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Square milk jug

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The NYT ref backs up the North Canton fact, but it's not stated in the article. I suggest nixing that tidbit altogether from the hook, which makes it just a tad shorter and simpler for viewing and clicking on. Other than that, the article looks good - length, date and referencing verified. Definitely interesting hook, it got me kind of giggling about so much stir over a new type of milk jug. ;) Jamie^☆S93 19:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that because of difficulties customers had using square milk jugs (pictured), a Sam's Club offered lessons in how to pour them without spilling?

I wanted to get the part about the complimentary cookies into it but couldn't figure out how to word it.--kelapstick (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kelapstick claims he was able to pour the new container without spilling, but I would like to see video evidence. I also believe a video would be of great benefit to our readers. Let the "retraining" begin! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rufus R. Jones

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

MS Rhapsody

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Seashell Trust

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Ref 1 and 2 checks out. The article just barely reached over 1500 characters. Nice work. — RyanCross (talk) 03:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sahu Mewalal

... that Sahu Mewalal scored the only goal in the final of the first Asian Games football competition held at Delhi in 1951?
or ... that Sahu Mewalal scored goals in all the matches of the first Asian Games for India and also scored the winning goal against Iran in the final match of the football competition? - self nom, expanded article - Shovon (talk) 15:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Clarke Hawkshaw

... that John Clarke Hawkshaw was a member of the Royal Commission set up by King Edward VII to decide the British representation at the 1904 St Louis World's Fair?
or ... that John Clarke Hawkshaw was an ensign in the British Volunteer Force, an honorary Colonel in the Royal Engineers, a Justice of the Peace and president of the Institution of Civil Engineers? - self nom, new article - Dumelow (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Leget Edwards

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Gene Petit

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Suchindram Theroor Birds Sanctuary, Central Asian Flyway

... that the proposed Suchindram Theroor Birds Sanctuary would be the southernmost protected area on the Central Asian Flyway (pictured), a Bird migration route covering 30 countries and used by 279 migratory waterbird populations?

2 New articles by: Marcus (talk) 01:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC) Self-nom[reply]

Kanhopatra

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The prose in this hook is a bit awkward ("a courtesan Kanhopatra") and perhaps a bit misleading, since the source says she detested being forced into being a courtesan. Can you provide an alternate hook that addresses these issues? --Eustress (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Though she detested it, the fact is she was forced to work as a courtesan and worked as one. All references use the term "courtesan" or "prostitute" to describe her. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Czesław Wycech

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

AGF verification on Polish-language reference. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I unlinked peasant movement because I don't think that disambiguation page has what the reader would be looking for. Art LaPella (talk) 04:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Khmer numerals

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Author spent a month working on this fascinating article. Length is fine, but it needs a little copyediting - doing that now. Paxse (talk) 10:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 8

Maria Kinnaird

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Lasantha Wickramatunga

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

1977 Moscow bombings

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hawthorne (Prairieville, Alabama)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Route 20 in Massachusetts

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Sin Chang-won

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Length and dates check out, reference in Korean accepted AGF. This is a great hook! - Dravecky (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Returned from template for further discussion, by request. Length, dates, and AGF reference still check out but discussion has been requested. - Dravecky (talk) 03:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: "... that Sin Chang-won, a South Korean fugitive criminal famous for his close escapes, was first arrested at the age of 15 after being turned in by his father for stealing a watermelon?" --Amble (talk) 04:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like the alternative hook and have no problem with it. He is also called a Cassanova figure because of his exploit from women while being a fugitive, or sometimes compared with Prison Break. If you want to seek a more interesting hook, those would be interesting factors.--Caspian blue 01:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fall of Mazar-i-Sharif

"... that prior to the fall of Mazar-i-Sharif, all American military flights into Afghanistan had to be launched from Uzbekistan or aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea?" (expanded five-fold) Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 03:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Alfred Davies

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Verified. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ranby (HM Prison)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The reference and size check out, but there's a language issue, the article says rubbish lorry, while the hook says something different. Shouldn't it simply repeat the British one based on the spelling guidelines? - Mgm|^(talk) 12:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough; the term "rubbish lorry" struck me as a bit odd when I was writing the hook, so I substituted "dustbin lorry", but "rubbish lorry" would be fine, on reflection. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Søren Jaabæk

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Kevin Thomas (footballer)

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Carmignano (wine)

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Paul Dresser Birthplace

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Germany national football manager

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Galileo (film)

…that Joseph Losey directed both the first U.S. theatrical version of Galileo in 1947 and the 1975 film version? (new article, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 19:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dates, length, and reference all check out. - Dravecky (talk) 01:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT "…that Joseph Losey directed both the first U.S. theatrical version of Bertolt Brecht's Galileo in 1947 and the 1975 film version? - more information & the links go to the right places. Johnbod (talk) 17:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Bertolt Brecht too: it's an essential fact.--Wetman (talk) 17:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Go for it! Ecoleetage (talk) 22:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT verified. I agree with Johnbod, so I think the ALT is better. — RyanCross (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alberto Madril

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ALT1: ... that professional wrestler Alberto Madril instilled an appreciation of Elvis Presley in fellow wrestler Shawn Michaels, who later hosted an interview segment named the Heartbreak Hotel? — 5x expansion and self nom by GaryColemanFan (talk) 19:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John McGillicuddy

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The Softwire

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ALT1: ... that PJ Haarsma's The Softwire series of novels is set in an original universe of Haarsma's creation? Kethra^{talk} 19:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that The Softwire series of young adult science fiction novels by PJ Haarsma was mentioned in a New York Times article about using video games to encourage reluctant readers? Kethra^{talk} 19:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think alt 1 lists a particularly interesting facts. Most, if not all, series creators create their own universe so it is wholly unremarkable. ALT 2 might be worth it if it can be reworded. I don't like the explicit mention of the fact it was featured. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS When I intially read the hook, I assumed it was a tv series, so it's probably a good idea to have the hook start: "... that PJ Haarsma's The Softwire is a series of novels....." - Mgm|^(talk) 12:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about "... that The Softwire series of young adult science fiction novels by PJ Haarsma was mentioned in a New York Times article about using video games to encourage reluctant readers?" With or without the extra descriptors "young adult" and "science fiction" --Kethra^{talk} 15:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Gunkel

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Not a five-fold expansion. I count 1272 characters in the 3 December 2008 version of the article and 4399 in the 9 January 2009 version, that's a 3.5-fold increase. Can it be further increased? Truthanado (talk) 05:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the prose size tool it is. Lists, references, and infobox coding should not be included in the count. According mine it shot from 380 to over 2000 bytes. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you disregard the list per Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria that is substantially unchanged between the old and new versions, the size has increased from 378 to 3062, which qualifies. Date and ref verified. Good to go. An interesting hook. Truthanado (talk) 22:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WREN (AM)

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Lucien Heath

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ALT 1-- ... that California State Assemblyman Lucien Heath had previously been the State of Oregon's first Secretary of State?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of FA Amateur Cup winners

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Kenneth Walton (pathologist)

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Dates, length, and reference all check out good. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Modifiers shouldn't be capitalized. Since the article was already moved, I adjusted the links in the nomination.- Mgm|^(talk) 12:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of agriculture in India

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Mount Hamiguitan

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Scott Marlowe

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Articles created/expanded on January 7

James O. Clephane

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ALT1: ... that the development of the linotype machine was initiated by James O. Clephane, a court reporter who sought a quick way to transcribe legal briefs? (less amusing, but probably more noteworthy) Shreevatsa (talk) 21:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glencairn (Greensboro, Alabama)

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ALT1: ... that historic Glencairn (pictured) in Greensboro, Alabama, was built in 1835 by Alabama legislator John Erwin? (less negative, perhaps more surprising than a pre-Civil War plantation owner also owning slaves) - Dravecky (talk) 07:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That alt would have been my second choice, I wish we had an article on John Erwin, that's the only reason I didn't use a hook like yours. --IvoShandor (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Wheeler

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Alphonse Alley

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Daphne Osborne

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fact, size, date OK. The third source cited (SEB Bulletin) provides wording that's closest to the hook. Xasodfuih (talk) 20:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fallout of the Irish government budget, 2008

... that during 22 October 2008, 25,000 pensioners and students marched on Ireland's government buildings (Leinster House pictured) to protest at the denial of their previously guaranteed free health treatment and the return of university fees? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:07, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT HOOK: ... that on 22 October 2008, 15,000 members of the "grey army" descended on Ireland's government buildings (Leinster House pictured) to protest at the proposed abolition of their previously guaranteed free health treatment? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In U.S. English, you wouldn't protest at an issue; you would protest an issue or protest at a location. Is it different over there? Art LaPella (talk) 04:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmmm... I think so... how about "against" the issue? Would that be a meeting in the middle? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, "protesting against abortion" or "protesting abortion" sounds normal; "protesting at abortion" sounds weird. But if I had known it was a Britishism/Irishism, my habit is to leave such expressions alone (excluding U.S. hooks, and excluding incomprehensible expressions like cricket pitch that require a wikilink or explanation). Art LaPella (talk) 06:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Maybe it depends on the issue. I too would think protesting at abortion a little unusual. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm not a linguist, but I think what's happening here is the use of "at" for time, i.e., protesting at <event taking place>, not protesting at <issue>. "The minister has expressed grief at the death of XYZ", etc. Shreevatsa (talk) 22:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lucius Seymour Storrs

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Leif Ryvarden

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All good. Offline sources accepted in good faith. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gedalio Grinberg and Nathan George Horwitt

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Paul LeDuc (wrestler)

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Bill Wilkinson

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ALT1 = ... that pitchers Bill Wilkinson and Jim Bluejacket are the only great-grandfather and great-grandson to have both played Major League Baseball?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just realized that the family dynamics were reversed. ALT2 = ... that pitchers Bill Wilkinson and Jim Bluejacket are the only great-grandson and great-grandfather to have both played in Major League Baseball? Giants2008 (17-14) 21:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In My Sleep

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Removed non-free image File:In_My_Sleep_Poster.jpg. See DYK criteria above. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's okay.. the image had nothing to do with the hook anyway. Strange too that when Allen Wolf created "Morning Star Games", he had no idea it would itself be so successful... when all he wanted to do was raise a little capital for his film. He'll probably be able to finance quite a few. Thus was born "Morning Star Pictures"... and 3 more articles to write. Wolf first and then his two Morning Star companies. Fun stuff! Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 10:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about this slightly shortened hook: ALT 1 ... that In My Sleep was financed by Morning Star Games, a company created by filmmaker Allen Wolf to fund it as his first feature film? --Bruce1ee^talk 11:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nicer hook. And underscores the games company as well as the filmmaker (future articles being planned). Quite nice. Thanks. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Milano

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Expansion confirmed with prosesize tool, reference for hook also confirmed. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS Empire Arnold

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Although verifiable, this hooks feels very artificial. Tate signed that document along with 30-40 other allies while he was a POW in Germany. It's not clear at all why he's praising the Panama canal pilots, and even less so why this factoid should even be mentioned in the article about the ship. The wiki article is barely over the 1500 char's prose limit. This submission seems gamey to me. Xasodfuih (talk) 10:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what is meant by "gamey". Will try an alternative hook:-

ALT - ... that the Empire Arnold was torpedoed and sunk less than five months after her launch? Mjroots (talk) 15:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is better. I assume ubootwaffe.net is reliable for the details on sinking. Xasodfuih (talk) 10:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've not heard that it isn't a reliable source. Ref #4 (uboat.net) also verifies the date of sinking and U-boat responsible. Mjroots (talk) 09:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rinshō Kadekaru

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ALT1: ... that Okinawan folk singer Rinshō Kadekaru secretly left home at the age of 16, selling one of his family's cows to pay for passage to Osaka? LordAmeth (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clathrus ruber

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Operation Geranium

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No inline ref given for this fact mentioned only in the lede. Xasodfuih (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's in the first section's first sentence: Operation Geranium occurred from December 15-20, 1948[1] and involved the dumping of approximately 3,150 tons of stockpiled lewisite into the Atlantic Ocean. That sentence has three inline citations. I assume you just missed this. :-) --IvoShandor (talk) 11:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for my short attention span. Vilensky et al. are the only ones mentioning the quantity in tons; the other refs I found only give the number of containers (3,700 or so). Vilensky is prof of anatomy rather than an expert on CW, and he's rather opinionated against CW, so I have a little doubt whether he interpreted the original document properly, but this Wikipedia, so it seems good enough. Xasodfuih (talk) 12:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm almost positive that those are one ton containers. --IvoShandor (talk) 13:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I changed "tons" to containers.--IvoShandor (talk) 13:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen other sources mention one ton containers for disposals of this kind in that period. The "ton" info is attributed to a reasonable source, so there's no need to be overly conservative. What's more interesting is whether bleach was used or not to neutralize the lewisite in this operation (it was used in previous ones in 1946). But I can't find sources either way. Xasodfuih (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anatoly Koryagin

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Nice article, ~~though I can't access most of the journal references to verify~~. The hook is a little verbose -- could it perhaps be shortened slightly? Perhaps: "... that Anatoly Koryagin was imprisoned for conducting psychiatric interviews with Soviet dissidents confined to mental institutions and smuggling a paper about his findings to the Lancet?" Espresso Addict (talk) 04:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to shortening the hook. Mine was right at the 220 char limit I think, because I was trying to provide proper context, which is sometimes hard to achieve within the DYK limitations. Regarding verification, the external link after the references, which is freely accessible, can also verify the story as far as the hook goes. They've used different sources, mostly in Russian. I've written it from Western science journals and newspapers; because of this it's missing early life, etc. Xasodfuih (talk) 11:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the maximum was 200 characters? Not that a few either way is that important. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, #Instructions say "about 200".

Espresso Addict's hook has 189 chars, so it should be fine. Xasodfuih (talk) 10:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook now fully verified from sources provided by e-mail by Xasodfuih. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currencies of Puerto Rico

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Comment this doesn't seem accurate to me due to the "card money" and other paper notes in Quebec, see here. Suggest a different hook?--Wehwalt (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to find my way trough the reference used there, however the keyword here is "print", as the Spanish also used it for stamped money. Anyway, the first pieces of eight or eight-real banknotes were issued in Puerto Rico and there is a Royal Decree supporting that, thus how about: "... that the archipelago of Puerto Rico was the first place to print 8-real banknotes, doing so in 1766" - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a second ref there, and it does use the word "print". I don't have any problem with the amended hook.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, lets use the second hook. I have rephrased the article's text to support the current choice as well. - Caribbean~H.Q. 17:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Verifying with AGF for off-Wiki source. Wonderful article, too! Ecoleetage (talk) 03:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT:... that the first 8-real banknotes were printed in Puerto Rico in 1766? --74.13.128.45 (talk) 15:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Dew

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I could not find in the book the 60,000 number mentioned in the hook. You're giving a fairly wide page range (44-77) for for that fact. Xasodfuih (talk) 11:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's on page 74, I made a specific cite for the DYK fact in the article now.--IvoShandor (talk) 11:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is you came up with the 60K sq mi figure by adding up trial 4 and 5 since there was little overlap. I would reword more NPOV and accurate to say "more than 60,000 square miles of Georgia, North and South Carolina." Xasodfuih (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either hook is fine, I try to keep 'em guessing with a lot of hooks, to draw people into the article, that's the theory anyway. Not sure how my version is less NPOV than yours, however.--IvoShandor (talk) 13:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"populated areas" could be interpreted that they dumped it only on cities or something like that. Xasodfuih (talk) 14:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More inaccurate than an NPOV issue though. ;-)--IvoShandor (talk) 21:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ole Kristian Furuseth

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"performed this well" sounds subjective. How about "won gold or silver in an Alpine Skiing World Cup event since March 1995?"--Wehwalt (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT: ... that when Norwegian alpine skier Ole Kristian Furuseth won a silver medal in slalom at the 1998 Winter Olympics, he had not placed this highly in a major race since March 1995? -- Punkmorten (talk) 20:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I struck part of the above hook. Sporters don't place "highly"; it's not a word. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

War Bureau of Consultants

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Checks out but the hooks and the article are fairly misleading. The CWS not the WRS took charge of the bio weapons program (p. 45 in Undue Risk). WRS was a useless org disbanded two years later. Also "offensive" in the hook seems unnecessary because "offensive" in bio-weapons relates mostly to doctrine of use (meaningless overuse of the word in political documents notwithstanding), and it's not used in either source you cite in the context of the 1942 report. (see Undue Risk p. 109, pp. 263-264, and p. 294 for further discussion). Suggest changing the hook to read: "... that in 1942 recommendations from the U.S. War Bureau of Consultants led to the initiation of a bio-weapons program by the Chemical Warfare Service?". The article needs to be updated with the facts I mentioned above. Xasodfuih (talk) 11:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is nitpicking, the hook doesn't say the WRS took charge of the program, though they did, the CWS didn't take charge of it until George Merck assigned it to them, two years later, because the program was too large for the civilian agency, that is from the official history at Fort Detrick, see [2]. And that is also when the WRS folded, useless, is your, and Jonathan Moreno's opinion. Your opinion of "offensive" is duly noted and the word is removed from the hook, but your just wrong about the other stuff, the WRS was indeed highly relevant to the initial phase of the U.S. BW program.--IvoShandor (talk) 12:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YMMV. That site says: "From the moment of its birth in the highest levels of government, the fledgling biological warfare effort was kept to an inner circle of knowledgeable persons. George W. Merck was a key member of the panel advising President Franklin D. Roosevelt and was charged with putting such an effort together. Merck owned the pharmaceutical firm that still bears his name. Merck brought into uniform men and women with skills in several scientific disciplines. Among them was Dr. Ira L. Baldwin, professor of bacteriology at the University of Wisconsin. He became the first scientific director. The Army Chemical Warfare Service was given responsibility and oversight for the effort that Clendenin wrote was "cloaked in the deepest wartime secrecy, matched only by . . . the Manhattan Project for developing the Atomic Bomb." Merck is mentioned as important for bringing in scientists, but WRS did not appear to have had much power over running the program (I trust you're not confusing it with the WBC). Camp Detrick, the history of which you are citing, was built by the CWS's U.S. Army Biological Warfare Laboratories. You're saying that George W. Merck assigned the BW program to them, implying that he had the authority to do so.^{[citation needed]} Xasodfuih (talk) 13:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, even Moreno says that the WRS was in charge of this program at first. He says the War Dept. was reluctant to allow the military to participate in the university research that was going on in the initial phase. Again, what I said before is confirmed in Chapter 4 of the Fort Detrick history: "In May 1942, President Roosevelt authorized Secretary Stimson to establish a civilian agency to take the lead on all aspects of BW. It was assigned to the Federal Security Agency (FSA) to obscure its existence and Merck was named director of the new War Research Service (WRS).

It became clear to the WRS and Merck that the initial phase of work with universities and private research institutions was inadequate to meet the need. Large scale efforts above what could be done in scattered centers was an obvious need. The use of biological agents in weapons and concurrent need to develop means of protection against these BW weapons prompted Merck to assign overall responsibility to the Army's Chemical Warfare Service."

Who built the facilities does not seem to be relevant. Moreno also says that the the WRS contracted with the first universities to engage in BW research through the CWS. So it's true they were involved, but I have to disagree with the way you are trying to marginalize the War Research Service. Sources confirm that they weren't "useless" and the Detrick history explicitly says the WRS was in charge when the program was established. The CWS eventually took over the program, but not until 1944.--IvoShandor (talk) 13:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My conclusion from reading another source (Luther E. Lindler, Frank J. Lebeda, George Korch, Biological Weapons Defense: Infectious Diseases and Counterbioterrorism, Humana Press, 2005, ISBN 1588291847, 597 pages) is that on paper WRS was supposed to supervise the CWS but that they quickly lost the bureaucratic war to the military. As a compromise, I've mentioned this fact in the article on WRS, so that readers aren't left hanging on that short stub. Xasodfuih (talk) 14:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, it was very quickly, the WRS lasted less than a year it would seem but were instrumental in establishing the first BW research programs. Did you see that stuff about the secret "ABC" and "DEF" committees. They don't even get names, they're so secret. :-)--IvoShandor (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to copy this discussion to the article talk page, since it has to do with content, and would be lost here once this goes to the main page. --IvoShandor (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Usman of Madras

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Comment how about "British colonial Governor of Madras" or "Governor of Madras under the British Raj"? Stresses what is so exceptional about it.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- The name "Madras" itself is "colonial". Madras was a colonial province created by the British. And Usman was the first Governor of this province or presidency called Madras. Well, maybe it might be better to use "Madras Presidency" instead of "Madras".-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 16:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- You know that. I know that. Does the average reader? If you don't mention the British involvement, I don't think it will be apparent to the reader how exceptional this was. After all, the British were extremely reluctant to have themselves under the jurisdiction of Indian officials or judges until near the end of the Raj.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- How about having Madras Presidency instead of simply Madras. "Madras Presidency" was the exclusive name used to refer to the province under British rule. When it became a part of the Indian union, it was known as Madras state. I think this would be enough. The reader can clearly understand that "Madras Presidency" is colonial Madras on visiting the article.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 09:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tangton Gyelpo

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Dan Kroffat

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David Johnson (American football)

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Labyrinth of Passion

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I've added the first name of Dali in the hook to circumvent the redirect and make it clearer who is meant here (it's possible for more people to share the same last name). - Mgm|^(talk) 08:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Boston and Milwaukee Braves Opening Day starting pitchers

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Catherine Ferguson (educator)

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This is awkwardly phrased. Saying she became the "African American founder" implies that there was a non-AA founder or that she somehow turned AA before or upon founding the school. Otto4711 (talk) 03:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate hook How about this one?: *... that despite her illiteracy, Catherine Ferguson, an African American, founded the first Sunday school in New York City which later became known as Murray Street Sabbath School? - AnakngAraw (talk) 05:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Teiji Honma

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"One of the first" is weasel wording. Any chance of clarification? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Honma was definitely not the first to wear a mask—there are two clearly documented cases of goaltenders wearing a mask before him. However, it can't be for sure proven that these were the only two goaltenders to wear a mask before Honma, so that is why I put "one of the first" so it doesn't create the appearance that absolutely no other goaltender before the two that preceded Honma ever worse facial protection. So while it sounds weasily, it's not exactly an opinion (two documented cases plus it is very, very plausible (and this is where editors must use discretion) that some previous obscure goaltender once tried to use some facial protection. What do you think? butterfly (talk) 20:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. I agree with Maxim ("butterfly") on this. Ref 3 checks out. — RyanCross (talk) 05:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pat O'Connor (wrestler)

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Roger Ewing

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Articles created/expanded on January 6

The Lucy Kennedy Show

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... that Ryan Tubridy was praised for going through the motions on The Lucy Kennedy Show even more obviously than if he had "poked his own poo (example pictured) with a stick"? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 01:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've included the image file page title in my edit. Obviously if it is disagreeable it can be rejected and removed. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 01:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wehrmacht forces for Ardennes Offensive

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Edward D. Hamilton

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Shelldrake, Michigan

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Meets date, length criteria, hook verified. I enjoyed reading it! Royalbroil 03:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, not Ojibwa: cf Shelduck.--Wetman (talk) 06:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you've misinterpreted the hook. The claim, which is sourced in the article, is that it's named Shelldrake because the Ojibwa, who originally settled the place, had already named it after a kind of duck in their own language. The name was translated. Ntsimp (talk) 14:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A ghost town is a thing, not a person, so the use of "whose" is misplaced. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree. Several dictionaries agree that "whose" is the possessive case of either "who" or "which", and "which" applies to things. Art LaPella (talk) 02:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lublin 1980 strikes

... that the Lublin 1980 strikes marked the beginning of important socio-political changes in Poland, such as the creation of Solidarity and democratization of the country? self nom by Tymek (talk) 02:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We Were Dancing, The Astonished Heart, Red Peppers, Hands Across the Sea, Fumed Oak, Shadow Play, Ways and Means and Star Chamber

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:-O --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 03:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Jowett

... that in 1820 the missionary William Jowett bought the 9,539-page manuscript of Abu Rumi's first-ever translation of the Bible into Amharic "on terms which appeared... equitable to all parties"? - new article self-nominated by Strawless ^(talk) 22:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relative Values (play)

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H. Ross Hume and Robert H. Hume

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Five Women Go Back to Work

... that the RTÉ series Five Women Go Back to Work follows five women as they attempt to return to the workplace after a number of years at home? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 12:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't that pretty much implied from the title? Can't you find a better hook?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops. I rushed this one a bit. Perhaps I should say what they actually worked at. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 19:26, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: *... that the RTÉ series Five Women Go Back to Work follows five women as they attempt to compile a glossy magazine aimed at working women? --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 19:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Horst Buhtz

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Suggest "German football manager Horst Buhtz led both Dortmund and Nuremberg to the Bundesliga promotion playoffs, but was fired each time before the matches took place?"--Wehwalt (talk) 19:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that sounds better. Thank you. Madcynic (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT:... German football manager Horst Buhtz led both Dortmund and Nuremberg to the Bundesliga promotion playoffs, but was fired each time before the matches took place? Madcynic (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grangemouth Dockyard Company, SS Empire Arthur, SS Empire Clansman

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Neath by-election, 1945

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Conolophus rosada

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Is it that this species of iguana "can only be found on a single volcano" or that is "only known to be found" on that particular volcano? I think a modification is needed to be more accurate. --Eustress (talk) 02:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Boris Smyslovsky

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Jackson Lake State Park (Ohio)

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Project Jefferson

Template:DYKsuggestion at 03:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Blowout (sports)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Umm, all due respect, Tony, but shouldn't this just be sent over to Wiktionary?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article is more than a dictionary definition (mostly due to Cbl62).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Benoît Sinzogan

Template:DYKsuggestion at 01:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Edmund Barton Building

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:58, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Dorothy Lavinia Brown

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Alt hook ... that Dorothy Lavinia Brown was the first African American female surgeon in the Southeastern United States and also first African American to serve in the Tennessee General Assembly?--Slp1 (talk) 04:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, creation date and fact/citation all check out fine. --Slp1 (talk) 04:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J.D. Maarleveld

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't see what value mentioning Notre Dame has in this hook. Can you create an alternate hook without the superfluous info? --Eustress (talk) 02:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't superfluous (though a little verbose) because it goes on to state that he transferred. Without the "Notre Dame", there would be missing information. Anyway, I reworked the hook and think I figured out a way to get in all the info I wanted in the first place but couldn't seem to: Strikehold (talk) 02:49, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"... that college football tackle J.D. Maarleveld survived Hodgkin's Disease only to be cut from the Notre Dame team, then transferred to Maryland and became a consensus first-team All-American?"

I see. The fact that he was cut from the Notre Dame team is a lot more informative and relevant. There is just a verb-tense disagreement that needs to be addressed now ("to be cut" [infinitive]; "transferred", "became" [past]). Here's my suggestion, and if you disagree, I'll let another editor chime in. Best regards --Eustress (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt "... that former NFL offensive tackle J.D. Maarleveld was cut from the Notre Dame football team due to implications with Hodgkin's Disease, only to later beat the cancer and become a consensus first-team All-American at the University of Maryland?"

That hook seems a little awkward, and "implications with" does not sound like correct to me (I think it should be something like "implications due to" or "implications related to"). Here's another try: Strikehold (talk) 07:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that American football tackle J.D. Maarleveld survived Hodgkin's Disease but was cut from the Notre Dame team anyway, transferred to Maryland, and became a consensus first-team All-American?

Marselisborg Palace

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Size and date ok. However, the article would benefit from more than one source. In any case, there must be a citation behind the specific fact mentioned in the hook. Also, the language and flow must be improved before this sees the front page—see article talk page. Punkmorten (talk) 23:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Peter's Church, Jaffa

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The Siege of Jaffa is usually considered part of Napoleon's "Egypt-Syria Campaign" or the Napoleonic Campaign in Egypt, which I've never seen referred to as a "campaign to the Holy Land". --74.13.128.45 (talk) 15:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both the "Egypt-Syria Campaign" and the "Napoleonic Campaign in Egypt" are fine with me. I prefer the first since Jaffa is not in Egypt but on the way to Syria.--Fipplet (talk) 19:17, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TOPS (file server)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you've got the first source wrong: it doesn't say the PC AppleTalk cards were built for that purpose, only that company also sold LocalTalk cards for the PC. Also, the 2nd reference says they had to write a TCP/IP stack for the Mac and PC for TOPS Terminal, which was a different product (telnet, not file sharing). YMMV. Xasodfuih (talk) 18:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're being a little pedantic here, as Centrum's only product that ran on PCs when they released the card was TOPS, but I'm open to ALTs. I have added a ref for the second point. Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying the first point isn't true. Regarding the 2nd point, it seems that the TCP/IP stack already existed because it had been written for TOPS Terminal, and they just had to port the file sharing system to it. In summary: I don't know how much latitude for inference is customarily allowed for DYK, so I'll let someone more experienced with DYK decide whether to pass this or not. Xasodfuih (talk) 11:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Bennet

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I've bolded your nominated article. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Iron Hammer (Iraq 2005)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1 "... that the 2005 Operation Iron Hammer, aimed to clear Al-Qaeda in Iraq from the Hai Al Becker region in western Iraq, resulted in no reported casualties and no use of deadly force?"--Wehwalt (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Keith

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Jim Baxter

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Hook has to contain bolded link to nominated article. I have mended this. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 18:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As it is a British subject, surely British English should be used (per WP:ENGVAR) and therefore the sport he played referred to as "football".....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Europe, the sport is referred to as "football", rather than North America's "soccer" term. Since Baxter is Scottish, I have tweaked the hook to name him as a "Scottish footballer". Jamie^☆S93 20:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tokio Hotel discography

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Operation Barga

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Operation Barga helped improve the social status of sharecroppers (bargadars) in West Bengal? Sniperz 11_@^CS 09:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agrarian Party of Moldova

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

~~Everything checks out.~~ ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um, actually, I can't find a clear statement of the hook fact in the article and as such can't say that it's properly referenced. - Dravecky (talk) 04:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that internal division caused when three sympathizers of the Democratic Agrarian Party of Moldova competed in the 1996 presidential election was one factor that led to the party losing all parliamentary seats two years later? - Dravecky (talk) 19:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problems from my side with this one. - Biruitorul ^Talk 19:44, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer Dravecky's hook (sorry Biru) but otherwise it looks good to go. K. Lásztocska^talk 20:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Boy I Used to Be

Template:DYKsuggestion at 07:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Blood of the Irish

... that, whilst filming Blood of the Irish, presenter Diarmuid Gavin expressed his surprise at the similarities between the people of the West of Ireland and the inhabitants of the fishing port of Bermeo, Biscay, in Spain? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that, whilst filming Blood of the Irish, presenter Diarmuid Gavin discovered that 20% of men in the north-west of Ireland are descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, an ancient High King of Ireland? Both can be found here.

Character count is fine, reference verified. I'd find the second one more interesting, tbh.Ironholds (talk) 05:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The second one, which is more interesting, needs a big fat qualification. This has rather fuller details than the local newspaper linked above, not exactly an RS on genetics I think. Johnbod (talk) 15:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. "Discovered" rephrased to "examined the claim" then? I'll update the article with that source. --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 18:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deekshabhoomi

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC) Ganesh Dhamodkar (Talk) 06:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Ref 2 checks out and expansion is 5x than it was before. Good job. — RyanCross (talk) 03:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for verifying it Ryan. Ganesh Dhamodkar (Talk) 08:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem at all. — RyanCross (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert de Bethune

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Gilbert Foliot

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Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on January 5

Wei Gao

Template:DYKsuggestion at 02:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Paul H. Allen

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Squad number (association football)

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Leonid Plyushch

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Length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. I've added 2 commas to the hook. --Bruce1ee^talk 11:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tonje Larsen

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Jack Kuehler

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Length, date and hook refs verified. Hook 201 characters, but I'm sure that's ok :) --Bruce1ee^talk 12:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William H. Webb etc.

... that with their massive 110-inch (280-cm) cylinders, the sidewheel steamers Bristol and Providence, completed in 1867 by William H. Webb (pictured), were installed with the largest engines then built in the United States?
ALT1:

... that the "floating palaces" Bristol and Providence, built in 1867 by William H. Webb (pictured), contained 500 canaries in cages, each one personally named by shipowner Jim Fisk?

3 x new articles by Gatoclass (talk) 05:48, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmation for either hook can be found in the Bristol article. Gatoclass (talk) 10:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both hook verified, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 12:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is Nightlive

... that so fearful of criticism was the creator of This is Nightlive he was reported as intending to go travelling for an "unspecified time"? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 03:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steelmark and Logos and uniforms of the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Master I. A. M. of Zwolle

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

If the image is no good (I think his signature is pretty interesting by itself...), the hook could be altered to focus on his work...

Alt. Nom (because I think this is more interesting) ... that collectors of engravings by Master I. A. M. of Zwolle (work pictured) included Samuel Pepys and Ferdinand Columbus?

I also like that alt hook, but the word "collectors" suggests that they owned multiple works by this artist, while the article only indicates that they owned works by him (the online source for Columbus only confirms that he owned one engraving). I think the hook would need to be reworded to better reflect what the article says.--Orlady (talk) 22:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt. 2: ... that Samuel Pepys and Ferdinand Columbus both owned artwork by the anonymous engraver Master I. A. M. of Zwolle (work pictured)?

"Artwork" seems better, and because he is described as an engraver it is not as ambiguous as it may seem. Lithoderm 22:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 3... that Ferdinand Columbus and Samuel Pepys respectively owned one and two engravings by the anonymous Master I. A. M. of Zwolle(work pictured)?

The problem was that Columbus owned one print (so far as we know-- a complete catalog of his collection of over 3000 printed objects has yet to be published), and Pepys owned two, as I have now referenced. I hope that this resolves the issue neatly. Any thoughts? Lithoderm 01:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey A. Lockwood, Six-legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Jeffrey Lockwood provides historical examples of assassin bugs, buckets of scorpions, and catapulted "bee bombs" as entomological warfare in Six-legged Soldiers: Using Insects as Weapons of War? --Rosiestep (talk) 16:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a small point, everything checks out except that none of the references in the book make mention of scorpions. Where did you get this from? --Bruce1ee^talk 13:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the Publishers Weekly citation regarding scorpions. Rosiestep (talk) 19:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Length, date and refs of both hooks verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 04:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rood Bridge Park

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This is a misunderstanding of "species"; "varieties" may be intended: cf cultivar.--Wetman (talk) 20:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The word "species" was taken from the source. I have no objection to a change to varieties and changing both the article and the hook accordingly. Alansohn (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Species" was changed to "varieties" in hook, as indicated. Alansohn (talk) 20:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Woodes Rogers

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Note: Where the refs are to the Woodard book, all may be checked at books.google.com, there is a generous free preview.

Verified, but the hook is a tad clumsy and ambiguous. Suggested alt:

... that Captain Woodes Rogers rescued Alexander Selkirk, the model for Robinson Crusoe, and later defeated the pirates of the Caribbean? Gatoclass (talk) 12:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that Captain Woodes Rogers rescued Alexander Selkirk, the model for Robinson Crusoe, and later, as first Royal Governor of the Bahamas, rid the islands of pirates? --Wehwalt (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought "pirates of the Caribbean" would tweak more interest, given that there have been a couple of recent popular films with the name. Gatoclass (talk) 04:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either is fine with me.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hewelsfield

Template:DYKsuggestion at 21:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

The article size, age, and the hook + ref all check out. I just hope someone has the time to include dates and authors in the references by making full use of templates. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Joseph Hanna

Template:DYKsuggestion at 20:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Length (5x expansion) & hook verified. Mitico (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lloyd Ohlin

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Karim el-Mejjati

... that after his wife was imprisoned by Saudi secret police while taking her 10-year old son to an eye doctor, Karim el-Mejjati joined the GICM and helped arrange the bombing of Casablanca and Madrid trains? (article created in November, expanded five-fold today) Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 19:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt hook, "... that six weeks after his wife was captured by Saudi secret police, Karim el-Mejjati participated in the bombing of targets in Casablanca as well as American barracks in Riyadh, and was eventually accused in the 2004 Madrid train bombings and the 2005 London bombings as well?" Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 17:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS Indus (1945)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 17:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Note: - Possible April Fool's Day DYK? Will leave it for you to decide.

Definitely, in my opinion - especially as 1st April 2009 is right in between the first and second F1 GPs of the 2009 season! NB. A bit short at the moment (1248 Bytes), but plenty of time for expansion. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be excellent to spoof the reigning Formula One World Driver's champion on April Fool's Day! You can suggest add it to the upcoming April Fool's Day DYK at Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know. The 5 day rule is waved for the event.

Do you have any more content for the article other than the history of who owned it and what they named it? The article doesn't say much at present. Did it have any missions during WWII? How did the UK seize it from its German builders? What did each owner use it for? Royalbroil 05:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's difficult with merchant ships rather than passenger ships as they don't get as much coverage. Sasbeck did not see any war service as she was launched in March 1945 and still uncompleted when the war ended. Apart from Empire Ardle, her other names make searching for her on the internet hard work as they all throw up many thousands of search results. Searching with the company names doesn't help. There is a book Empire ships of World War II by W H Mitchell and L A Sawyer which may have further info. Mjroots (talk) 10:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copied to April Fools Day nomination page, further discussion there please. Mjroots (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Yevtyukhin

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see Hill 776 named in the hook, rather than "a battle", for NPOV purposes. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 20:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1: that during the Battle for Height 776 in Chechnya, Mark Yevtyukhin ordered artillery fire on his company's position, an act which contributed to him being posthumously honoured as a Hero of the Russian Federation (medal pictured)? --Russavia ^Dialogue 04:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How is exactly is the term "a battle" POV? If anything, it's less POV than "Battle of Hill 776", which I imagine is the Russian operational name for the objective. Strikehold (talk) 16:09, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking the same thing in regarded to NPOV. The name "Battle for Height 776" is also the name given to this episode by western sources (Battle of Hill 776 seems to be a wiki invention). --Russavia ^Dialogue 16:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peridium

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

"... that the peridium of the bird's-nest fungi forms its "nest"?" (Cleaner and more direct)--Wetman (talk) 21:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In this version, either "fungi" should be singular ("fungus") or the rest of the sentence should be adapted to a plural. Art LaPella (talk) 02:35, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a bit short of the threshold at around 1300 characters -- can it be expanded? Also, the reference for the hook fact is coming up 404 for me. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Koradi Thermal Power Station

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Please do not remove ",near Nagpur" from the hook while featuring on main page. --GP Pande 15:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mads Gilbert

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

USS Asheville (PF-1)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Both the hook and the article are too vague. The article gives no details whatsoever about what the experimental equipment might have been or why it's interesting. I realize that's all the Navy's web page says, but it's just a big "huh?" Xasodfuih (talk) 17:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Lamason

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that at great risk, Squadron Leader Phil Lamason (pictured) of the RNZAF negotiated the release of 168 allied airmen from Buchenwald concentration camp, a week before their scheduled execution? Spy007au (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hydnellum aurantiacum

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Date, length & hook verified. Suggest removing the unnecessary word "species" from the hook, to read "... that the "orange tooth" fungus, Hydnellum aurantiacum, is considered critically endangered in the United Kingdom?" The photo comes from a website but is under a CC license. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Heydt

Template:DYKsuggestion at 06:19, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

alt 1 ... that 1941 NCAA backstroke champion and University of Michigan Athletic Hall of Honor inductee Francis Heydt later owned a business that sold camouflage clothing to both Israel and Libya?

Frank Atwood Huntington

Template:DYKsuggestion at 12:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Satenik

... that Satenik was the Alanian wife and queen consort of Artashes I, the king of Armenia and the founder of the Artashesyan dynasty? (expanded 5X, self-nom) --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 00:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 4

12"/50 caliber Mark 8 gun

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't find that direct quote in the reference. (I looked for it because the word "was" is duplicated.) Art LaPella (talk) 05:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Epic fail. My fault; I moved the navweaps cite to the wrong sentence. :) Thanks! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 05:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I don't know how I missed this last time, but the article has 1008 characters of "prose" as defined by the #Instructions, which require at least 1500 characters. Art LaPella (talk) 05:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lol alright; I'll expand it more. Thanks! —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 07:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Context in the source makes it clear that "service" means service in the U.S. Navy. Just writing this amongst other random DYKs can give the impression that it's the most powerful in the world, which it could be, but there's no reference saying that. Strongly suggest adding "U.S." before "service" in the hook. Xasodfuih (talk) 17:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would change a direct quote. But there are alternatives such as [U.S.] in brackets. Art LaPella (talk) 05:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm pretty sure that it means the world. Why? Because this was by far the last 12" gun designed and put into service. :) —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 05:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jamal al-Haidari

Template:DYKsuggestion at 08:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Length and creation history fine, but we need a bit more clarity in the "Forced into exile" section. I presume Sayegh's bogus party was the "pro-government organization" mentioned in the hook? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Scandone

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Length and creation history are fine. Just need to clarify the second part of the hook; I can't work out from the article and the two sources ([2] and [3]) whether the fleet in the 2.4m championship consisted of 27 or 28 disabled sailors, and whether the number includes or excludes him. Also suggest rewording ("over" → "against") in the hook. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 15:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The most logical interpretation is that there were 28 disabled and 60 able-bodied. The 28 would include him. I will reword to reflect that in (ALT 1) "that Nick Scandone was named 2005 Rolex Yachtsman of the Year, the first Paralympian to earn the honor, after winning the 2.4 Meter world championship against 60 able-bodied and 27 disabled sailors?" -- Alansohn (talk) 16:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything is in agreement now; ALT 1 is verified. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pei Yanling

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Jim McColl

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Suicide, it's a suicide

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James Tanis

Template:DYKsuggestion at 23:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

alt 1 ... that former guerilla James Tanis undertook a trip through some twenty fast-flowing rivers and creeks before being inaugurated as the second President of Bougainville on January 6, 2009? Cbl62 (talk) 07:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JLA (comic book)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 22:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

General mn-type image filters

... that one form of the general image filters invented by Otto Zobel is a particularly simple band-pass filter consisting of just resonators coupled by capacitors? self-nom by SpinningSpark 21:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personent hodie

Template:DYKsuggestion at 15:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:*ALT: ... that the Christmas carol Personent hodie, first published in the 1582 Finnish song book Piae Cantiones, was a 'parody' of an earlier 12th century carol? Rob (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pls link "Finnish" to Finnish language instead of Finland. Not sure there was a country known as "Finland" yet in 1582. --74.13.127.204 (talk) 21:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gigantic (film)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

ALT: ... that Gigantic, a film about a single man deciding to adopt a baby, was inspired by writer-director Matt Aselton's childhood wish for his parents to adopt a Chinese baby? (Explained.) —97198 (talk) 14:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Windsor

Template:DYKsuggestion at 04:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Blaming the Royal Winnipeg Rifles for the loss? --74.13.127.204 (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking Point

Template:DYKsuggestion at 09:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Brooklyn Theater Fire

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Key passage at Fire spotted subsection, paragraph beginning "In spite of this..." Take care. Gosgood (talk) 19:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1:…that while the Brooklyn Theatre burned, the actors urged calm in the face of rising panic, and though nearest to the flames, they were among the last to leave the theater alive?

It was after their 'Ohmigod!' realization that matters really were bad, and one tarried just a tad too long… See Claxton's New York Times recollection Gosgood (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 3

John Selby Watson

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:30, 6 January 2009 (ECT)

"when author and translator..." added for more interest by Malick78 (talk) 06:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"an event in 1871"? What happened at the same time as the murder? --74.13.128.45 (talk) 15:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified. The hook could do with rephrasing to avoid the above problem and the repetition of "author". How about: "that author Beryl Bainbridge wrote a novel based on clergyman and translator John Selby Watson's 1871 murder of his wife?" Espresso Addict (talk) 21:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel episodes

Template:DYKsuggestion at 10:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Alt: ... that in 1932 Standard Oil commissioned twenty-six episodes of the old-time radio show Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel to compete with Texaco's extremely popular Fire Chief? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 10:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Almost all of the prose in the article seems to have been taken directly from the Flywheel, Shyster, and Flywheel article, and since it hasn't been subsequently fivefold expanded I don't think it qualifies. I'd welcome a second opinion in case I'm missing something in the histories though (the first hook in particular is a good one to my mind). Olaf Davis (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, I rewrote that article over the course of December (diff) and it was definitely a five-fold increase. This is a sub-article of sorts, and since there is only so much that can be said about the 75-year-old series and episodes, it's true that a lot has been lifted from it. Oh wells - if it doesn't get approved, its no big deal. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:06, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herman Klein

Template:DYKsuggestion at 18:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Length & date verified. I have accessed The Times obituary, which supports his being in the US for 7 years from 1901 and the unfavourable bit (the precise quotation is "he formed an unfavourable opinion of the American attitude towards music" ) but does not support his advising Columbia Records, which is sourced to a book. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mass finishing

Template:DYKsuggestion at 05:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hook should be one sentence, phrased as a question. - Dravecky (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry about that. I didn't realize that; its my first attempt at this. How about this?

ALT: ... that the mass finishing manufacturing processes, tumble finishing and vibratory finishing, are often employed to deburr machined parts and clean up castings? Wizard191 (talk) 15:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article uses both barrel finishing in the lede and tumble finishing in the body of the article. The hook fact should match the sentence in the article and that sentence needs to have a direct citation to a valid reference. - Dravecky (talk) 19:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Murphy (tennis)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 00:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Length, date, and hook verified. Offline refs accepted AGF. Nrswanson (talk) 22:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AJS Model 16

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eadulf Rus

Template:DYKsuggestion at 14:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Length & date verified. I cannot access the book sources provided but all seems in order. I have made minor amendments to the hook to avoid redirects. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Shine, Shine, My Star"

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fact checked, but I think this fails on length as measured with the pagesize tool. Not sure if the lyrics count. If they do, it passes. I suggest adding "wrongly" before "attributed" in the hook. Xasodfuih (talk) 17:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the lyrics counts as, being PD, it's worthy for understanding the title. "Wrongly" may be perfectly added. --Brand спойт 17:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added "wrongly" to the hook but while dates and reference check out the length is shy by almost 400 characters. We're not supposed to consider block quotes in the total prose so a bit more expansion will be required before it can be promoted. - Dravecky (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Humanitarian Bowl

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Can I suggest linking running back, rushing, and bowl game? I'm also a little hinky about the "their" in the hook. JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I linked to rush but think linking to both RB and rush is a little excessive. ~~Also I personally don't see an issue with using "their," which refers to "Maryland Terrapins," the players and coaching staff that won the game. Can you clarify what you mean?~~ Actually, on second thought, I think you're right; it doesn't look grammatically correct. Here's another try: Strikehold (talk) 17:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that, despite being suspended for half the game, college football running back Da'Rel Scott set a school bowl record for rushing for the Maryland Terrapins in their 2008 Humanitarian Bowl victory?

Looks good to me. JKBrooks85 (talk) 23:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Johnson (quarterback)

Template:DYKsuggestion at 13:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Can I suggest linking quarterback, college football, and changing "number-four" to "the fourth-ranked Alabama Crimson Tide" or "No. 4 Alabama"? JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook is already pretty cluttered with links, and seeing as how "college football" and "quarterback" are both linked in the main subject article, I think that would be a little excessive. I agree with the "number-four" change. Strikehold (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that college football quarterback Brian Johnson led the Utah Utes to become the only undefeated team in the 2008 season, including an upset of fourth-ranked Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl?

IMHO, one extra link is needed. For readers who aren't familiar with U.S. college football, the term "fourth-ranked" would raise several questions: How do rankings work? Who said Bama was ranked fourth? Providing the link would help unfamiliar readers understand the hook. — Dale Arnett (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think its redundant, considering the rankings are also described in the Alabama link itself, in the infobox and here. But I don't really feel that strongly about it either way. Strikehold (talk) 22:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... if you want to pull the link before it runs, I'm not wedded to it. I just thought it could be an improvement. Just goes to show what I know. LOL — Dale Arnett (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine by me as is, really. Thanks. Strikehold (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The word "led" might be problematic. It's more appropriate for a newspaper article then an encyclopedia. It's also a bit OR-ish. In what sense did he lead them? Thus, Alt:... that Brian Johnson played quarterback for the Utah Utes, who were the only undefeated team in the 2008 season and upset the fourth-ranked Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl? --brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because Johnson is a quarterback and therefore runs the plays and makes on-field decisions such as audibles when he feels necessary. How is that possibly OR? An on-field "leader" and decision-maker is a quarterback's role by definition. (He's also a team captain, though being a starting QB should be reason enough to say he led the team). Strikehold (talk) 07:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Singer (motorcycle)

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 10:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who is George E. Stanley? --74.13.128.45 (talk) 15:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who indeed? Here's an alt hook to change the emphasis:

[ALT]... that in 1912 a Singer motorcycle ridden by George E. Stanley became the first 350cc motorcycle to cover more than 60 miles in one hour?

Date and length are OK; offline source for hook fact AGF. --Orlady (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on January 2

Paschal Eze

Template:DYKsuggestion at 16:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Italicized name of newspaper. --74.13.128.45 (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First, I'm not totally comfortable with putting an autobiography, even one written to our standards, on the Main Page unless everyone else is. Second, we can't link to Google results as sourcing ... we need the archived version of the article, or some other more stable source. Daniel Case (talk) 16:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not that concerned about an autobiography on the front page, especially in this case where Suntag basically wrote the article. Paschal Eze's last edit was in February. As for the Google search as a source, I agree that it is problematic. It might be better to cite the text as an off-line source. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 23:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt:... that Paschal Eze resigned as editor-in-chief of The Daily Observer , a The Gambia daily, after being pressured by management not to publish stories about a certain politician?--brew crewer (yada, yada) 00:04, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A. P. Patro

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... that A. P. Patro (pictured) inaugurated the Loyola College in Chennai in 1925? - New article, self nom - Ravichandar84 (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, dates, and reference all check out but perhaps this issue of "inauguration" needs to be clarified. Before I read the sources I was under the impression that he founded it when it appears all he did was give a speech at the formal opening of the college. The hook could be promoted as is but it would be a lot better if its meaning were clearer. - Dravecky (talk) 11:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Wiktionary:inaugurate mentions 2. To dedicate ceremoniously. This is an appropriate wording for an event, where something is declared open. Inaugurate also has other meanings, but this should be fine. If necessary, an alternate wording can be declared open? VasuVR (talk, contribs) 12:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Loyola College, Chennai is a missionary institution and A. P. Patro is a politician. The college was constructed by a group of clergymen led by one Fr. Bertram. It was inaugurated by Mr. A. P. Patro who was the education minister of the province at that time.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There would be many who might be aware of the fact that Loyola College was established by Christian missionaries (the name, itself, is an indicator). However, I don't think many would be aware of the fact that a British colonial-era institution was inaugurated by an Indian who was serving as a government minister at that time.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt:... that in 1915, A. P. Patro was the only non-Brahmin in the All India Congress Committee?--brew crewer (yada, yada) 20:28, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn't attract much people, though. There were plenty of non-Brahmins who headed the party at a later stage. Moreover, he is remembered more for his deeds as a minister than as a former member of the Indian National Congress.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 03:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that the hook is less "catchy", but if the first hook is unacceptable, this can be the fallback. This one seems to be better supported by the sources. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 04:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We could instead have a hook on the founding of Andhra University if the other one is rejected or even his involvement in the Oriya Movement.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 05:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Why don't you propose a specific hook?--brew crewer (yada, yada) 05:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bat Motor Manufacturing Co. Ltd

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 15:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dates and length are okay but hook fact is uncited. "Best After Tests" is only mentioned in one of the two online sources but that source states that it was a company slogan, not a nickname. (That source also does not mention the 1907 races so it can't be applied to the hook sentence as it stands.) - Dravecky (talk) 11:04, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added another ref to Ian Chadwick's site (which has an excellent reputation for accuracy). You have to click on the B to get to Bat and there you will find Nicknamed Best After Tests Batson was so pleased with the nickname that he used it as a marketing slogan, hence the confusion in some sources. Thanks Thruxton (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Democratic July 14 Movement

Template:DYKsuggestion at 19:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Dates and length are okay but the article relies entirely on one source. Needs better referencing before it can be promoted. - Dravecky (talk) 10:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Yamazakura by Kawahara Keiga

... that bears may be dispersers of the Japanese mountain cherry (painting pictured)?
... that Romani Holocaust survivor Philomena Franz wrote about her deportation to Auschwitz, internment in Ravensbrück, escape from a camp near Wittenberge, and concealment by a farmer?
... that a large basin on Neptune's moon Triton may have once been filled with liquid water cryolava, similar to how liquid silicates fill lava lakes on Earth?
... that Inman Jackson played "as though he were born with a basketball in each hand"?
... that over the course of Live into 85, John Grieve forgot his lines, Chic Murray spent his set berating the floor manager, and Maggie Moone was groped mid-performance?
... that Amie Parnes allegedly first heard about her employer, The Messenger, ceasing operations from a New York Times article?
... that Coffee Talk Episode 2: Hibiscus & Butterfly was released after the main creator of Coffee Talk died in March 2022?
... that baritone Liviu Holender chose lieder by five composers whose music was banned by the Nazis—Schreker, Zemlinsky, Mahler, Korngold and Schönberg—for a recital at the Oper Frankfurt?
... that the U.S. Army Air Corps were so unimpressed by the Estoppey D-8 that one member stated that he would rather use "nails and a wire"?

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Jonathan Stoklosa (left) with Joe Biden

... that the 2024 inductees to the Delaware Sports Museum and Hall of Fame include a man with Down syndrome who has lifted 425 pounds (193 kg) (pictured), an "average gymnast" turned Olympics judge, a "preeminent sportswriter", the state's "greatest high hurdler", the "inventor" of the modern sports mascot, a record-setting 10-year-old, a champion gymnast, an Olympic field hockey player, and a pro baseball player in five countries?
... that an ancient Chinese village likely had its own local pyromancer?
... that Napoleon awarded a medal to English inventor James White?
... that the Japanese vegetable nozawana got its name from skiers visiting Nozawaonsen who were impressed by the area's pickled turnip?
... that Plato and Aristotle both opposed the idea of extraterrestrial life?
... that by 2022 Levi Marhabi had become the last known Jew in Yemen?
... that the inclusion of the Canadian song "How Long" in a bootleg Russian DVD resulted in a sixteen-year search for the track's creator?
... that a species of Brazilian cichlid is named after both Satan and Lilith?
... that the Beatles secretly called the host of their radio show "Pee Litres"?

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