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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on July 9

• ...that the newly inscribed Saryarqa — Steppe and Lakes of Northern Kazakhstan is the only natural World Heritage site in Kazakhstan? (self-nom) Otebig (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The article should be 1,500 DYK characters (there now are 542 DYK charactes) and the hook fact should appear in the article with an inline citation. GregManninLB (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Płyniesz Olzo po dolinie poem written by Polish poet and educator Jan Kubisz (pictured) became unofficial anthem of Cieszyn Silesia? self-nom by Darwinek (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Please make some English-language copyedit. Much appreciated. - Darwinek (talk) 17:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I copyedited the article. GregManninLB (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Bartholomew Gilbert is blamed for the failure to establish an English colony on Cape Cod in 1602? new article, self nom. House of Scandal (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• Note: If this attempt hadn't failed, it would have been the first English colony in North America. He returned to North America a few years later to search for the missing Roanoke Colonists and got himself killed by the local natives. Feel free to suggest alternative hooks but be sure to keep 'em short and sweet. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• Length verified. I couldn't find in the source where Gilbert was "blamed" for the failure. Gooking and his men returned to England because Gilbert stinted the original provisions, but the return to England was viewed as a wise decision. Gilbert may have been responsible for the failure, but I'm not sure whether anyone blamed him. GregManninLB (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Watts Station, a "Red Car" depot built in 1904, was the only structure that remained intact when stores along 103rd Street in Watts burned during the 1965 Riots? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 15:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Fitzroy were so impressed with school boy Allan Ruthven's skill and potential, they subsequently gave him guernsey number 7, previously worn and made famous by triple Brownlow medalist, Haydn Bunton? (5x expansion & self-nom) Spy007au (talk) 13:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• Not quite a five-fold expansion (953 to 4241 characters) Also, note that the current hook is slightly too long at 208 characters. Thingg^⊕⊗ 17:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Joseph Nathan Kane determined in his Famous First Facts that George Washington was not really the first "President of the United States?" expanded article five-fold by --Doug ^talk 12:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that microbial mats increase our understanding of evolution by helping to preserve soft-bodied animals and soft parts of hard-shelled animals? (article expanded, self-nom) -- Philcha (talk) 11:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that members of Scottish clans wear a sprig of a particular plant, known as a clan badge, to identify their clan? -- new article self-nom by Celtus (talk) 09:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Victorian mountaineer Francis Fox Tuckett (pictured) kept fit by daily walks to and from Bristol after which he regularly ate apple tart for his tea? (new article, self-nom) Ericoides (talk) 07:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Harold's Steer-In in Indianapoliss North Irvington Gardens Historic District was the site of a 2005 MasterCard commerical featuring star quarterback Peyton Manning? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 07:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Would you please improve the formatting of your references, replacing bare URLs? It would be worth noting in the main reference, by the way, that it includes 18 color photos of houses in the district. doncram (talk) 13:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, while I agree with doncram that better references would certainly improve the article, in this case I am more concerned with the poor writing. There are multiple grammatical problems. I found reading through the article very jarring, and stopped several times trying to figure things out. Among the general awkwardness, I note a missing period, incomplete and run-on sentences and an "an" that should be an "a". I have in the past admired this editor's work, so I'm not sure what's up with this. Lvklock (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I did write in very late at night/early in morning. If there is any problems with sentence structure, it's because I am avoiding copyvio, and too often the best way to phrase something would be the original sources terms, which would be copyvio.--Bedford ^Pray 17:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that more than 50 congressional candidates have endorsed "A Responsible Plan to End the War in Iraq", and the legislation the plan recommends already exists in various committees in the U.S. Congress? -- new article self-nom by Dankirkd (talk) 05:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Severe neutrality problems.--Bedford ^Pray 05:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Please elaborate. The document the article is about is not neutral, but the article itself attempts to be very neutral. But then again, the Iraq Study Group Report is not a neutral document either. -Dankirkd (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It reads like campaign propaganda. Plus, that image can not be on the front page, as its not free use, but fair use.--Bedford ^Pray 05:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

So the image is removed. Again, it appears you're attacking the document. -Dankirkd (talk) 06:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with Bedford on this one. Although the article does a fine job explaining what the plan is and who supports it, it does not address any opposition to it and is definitely not balanced in that it focuses exclusively on one view (the favorable one) of the plan. I'm sorry, but the article in it's current state does not meet the requirement that "all Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias." Thingg^⊕⊗ 17:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Length verified. As for the hook, the use of "Responsible" should be removed since it is POV. Perhaps "Burner Plan" should be used in the hook. The hook implies that the Burner Plan is legislation pending before Congress but in fact is nothing more than campaign promises latched onto by candidates looking to distinguish themselves temporarily from their political opponent. Candidates supporting legislation should be changed to the number of members of congress who are on the record of supporting the Burner Plan without qualification. In regards to the article, the above comments address its POV issues. However, as for proportionately representing significant views within Wikipedia, there probably is much more info on the pro side than the con side since commitment to the "plan" does not really require much accountable commitment. For what its worth, I think the article itself attempts to be neutral (not quite there yet) but the topic itself is so POV that it may be difficult for an admin to list it on the main page. You have five days before the DYK suggestion is moved into expired noms. If you work on the concerns raised, please post back here. GregManninLB (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that the 2001 feature film Cupid's Mistake was produced on a budget of $980? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 18:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Hook verified[1]. However, without the quotes, I get 1,385 DYK characters. Another sentence or two may push it over the 1,500 character limit. You might find more info at Google books and Google news. The footnote style could use some improvement, but that's not a DYK requirement. GregManninLB (talk) 18:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Bob Allen, while in his rookie year, was one of fourteen pitchers under the age of thiry on a young Cleveland Indians baseball team?- Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Pete Young and Steve Adkins, two DYKs.--LAAFan 18:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 8

• ... that the inscription on the bottom of William Hogarth's Hogarth Painting the Comic Muse was altered four times between 1758 and 1764? (self) -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2008 ILF Under-19 World Lacrosse Championships, taking place from July 3 to July 12, includes three first time participants: Bermuda, Finland, and Scotland? -- new article self-nom by Mitico (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Knickerbocker Epes Sargent (pictured) wrote the play Velasco for Ellen Tree, only to have Edgar Allan Poe damn it with faint praise, calling it an excellent one, but, positively considered, its merits are very inconsiderable? (over 5x expansion by Epousesquecido, nom by Lar) ++Lar: t/c 02:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Boston Red Sox once traded Major League Baseball pitcher Anastacio Martínez to the Pittsburgh Pirates only to take him back in a different trade barely a week later? -- self nom, seven-fold expansion [2]. Mackensen (talk) 01:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Nara Bahadur Karmacharya is the sole surviving founding member of the Communist Party of Nepal? --Soman (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC) (selfnom)

• ... that brightly colored leheria turbans were male business attire in Rajasthan, India during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries? Durova^Charge! 21:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length verified. Please add an inline cite to the end of the article sentence supporting the hook. Also, please add a quote from the source to the end of that inline cite. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Incorrectly marked as unsourced. That assertion, along with the rest of the paragraph, is already correctly cited. The exact source text is In the 19th and early 20th centuries, the Marwaris, merchants of Rajasthan and the dominant business community of India, wore elaborately tied, brightly coloured turbans as their distinguishing mark. These turbans were made by the leheria technique... Durova^Charge! 07:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Length and reference verified. I'm not so concerned about the <200 character DYK hook being copyvio as I am of the DYK hook generally being easily verifiable by anyone reading the main page. A bulk of DYK's problems come from statements presented on the Main Page that are not supported by the cited source. On the other hand, your post made me realize that not all DYK required quotes should appear in the article itself. The article editor may have stylistic or other reasons for not desiring to include such a quote in the footnote. As for the inline cite, DYK selection criteria item #3 reads "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." It probably should be rewritten to read something like "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it where the hook fact is an extraordinary claim." Such a change can be made by posting a request at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. GregManninLB (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
        • Thank you very much for your understanding. Just to be clear, should I supply an additional inline citation for the relevant sentence? It seems kind of redundant but I understand the circumstances that caused this. Durova^Charge! 19:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
• ... that the Passive Resistance era in 19th century Hungary was marked by the reluctance of any notable and prestigious personalities to take any political position or office? -- new article by User:Zigomer trubahin; Nom by TheMightyQuill (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Treaty of Dubysa was never ratified as the Teutonic Knights failed to reach the agreed-upon destination due to shallow water in the Neman River? new article, self-nom. Renata (talk) 09:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Please add quote from the Ivinskis source to the end of article reference no. 6 so that DYK may verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Done. Renata (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Length and hook verified. GregManninLB (talk) 23:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1880s Victorian Hale House (pictured), with its exuberant ornamentation and color scheme, has been called "the most photographed house" in Los Angeles? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Image, length, and reference (via quote) verified. GregManninLB (talk) 14:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Santo Alcala's age of 23 in 1976 made him the second youngest player on an aging Cincinnati Reds baseball team?- Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Pete Young and Steve Adkins, two DYKs.--LAAFan 16:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 7

• ... that every person detained by the International Criminal Court has a personal computer in his cell? -- new article self-nom by Polemarchus (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ...that after hearing mass at Hindlip Hall, Humphrey Littleton told the authorities which led to the priest being arrested? ref is ["visited Hindlip House...he had heard Mass ... by Father Edward Oldcorne. He.. notified the local magistrates"] double self nom by Victuallers (talk) 08:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Japanese mathematician Yozo Matsushima received the Asahi Prize for his research on continuous groups in 1962? (self-nom) Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that cricketer Keith Miller, while attending Melbourne High School during his teenage years, was taught mathematics by Australian Test captain Bill Woodfull? Nom: Daniel (talk), Article: Blnguyen (talk), 03:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that most popes before 1059 were appointed by secular European rulers with varying degrees of finality? Savidan 02:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Australian banana fig is one of the few figs known to be pollinated by more than one species of fig wasp? new article, self-nom. Guettarda (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • (alternatively) ... that the Australian banana fig, named for its orange or red cylindrical figs, is one of the few figs known to be pollinated by more than one species of fig wasp? Guettarda (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Length and reference verified. I think the first hook is more drawing. GregManninLB (talk) 01:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

George Pope Morris

• ... that, in 1846, George Pope Morris (pictured) was one of two founders of the periodical that would become Town & Country, which is still published today? (Self-nom; originally created article and also expanded) --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 5X expansion, DYK date, and image verified. Since the sources are not freely accessible via the Internet, please add quotations from the sources to article reference numbers 1 and 7 to allow DYK to verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 14:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Huh? I'm not familiar with this policy and I'm not sure how to proceed. Response on talk page preferred. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

There is no such policy. Hook supported by inline citation to reliable source, qualifies. Lampman (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's a policy issue. Looks more like GregManninLB was asking for help in getting details from the refs which he couldn't access. --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the tablet known as Gabriel’s Revelation, written before the birth of Christ, reportedly tells of a man killed by the Romans and resurrected after three days? - created with User:Sandwich Eater and others - Lampman (talk) 00:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • This has serious POV issues since the main sources are mainstream media, who have a track record of getting these things wrong. Mangoe (talk) 02:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Eh? Lampman (talk) 08:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Updates to the article have largely ameliorated my concerns. Mangoe (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The topic originated two days on July 6, 2008 in the New York Times and would fit better in the "In the news" section of the main page. GregManninLB (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment: Wikipedia's coverage of the topic is not (well, at least need not be) POV. However, the topic itself is controversial. If the stone is true, then the unique story of Jesus Christ's death and resurrection was not in fact unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time. In other words, billions of people over the past 2,000 years were wrong. Also, the name of the stone is controversial. The Angel Gabriel's revelations to the Prophet Mohammed six centuries after the birth of Christ are the foundation of Wahhabism's puritanical version of Islam. For 23 years, beginning in 610 A.D., Muhammad memorized Gabriel's revelations and dictated them in 114 chapters of the Koran. Calling this stone Gabriel's Revelations is an attempt to trade off historic beliefs to make this stone more acceptable. With the passage of time, the controversial issues should work themselves out to make it easier to present a non-POV Wikipedia article on the topic. GregManninLB (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
      • All this original research and crystal balling is certainly interesting, but could someone please - with reference to the selection criteria - tell me how any of this is relevant to a DYK nomination? If someone doesn't like an article they're certainly entitled to that opinion, but that doesn't allow them to hold back a DYK nomination with reference to criteria they make up themselves. As for ITN: that's for current events, not for anything that might recently have been covered by the media. The tablet was found ten years ago; there's nothing current about it at all. Lampman (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Bastø Fosen

• ... that Bastø Fosen (pictured) operates the most trafficked car ferry route in Norway, from Moss to Halden? —self-non Arsenikk ^(talk) 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• Length and ref ok. Lampman (talk) 00:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
• The English translation of the source supporting the hook doesn't seem to mention anything about most trafficked car ferry route in Norway. Please provide a English quotation from the source at the end of the article reference supporting the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• The bot translator translates the term "som er landets mest trafikkerte fergestrekning" into "as am country mainly the traffic fergestrekning". This should of course be translated "that is the countries most trafficked ferry route". It should be sufficient that User:Lampman (who I believe is a Norwegian speaker) can bough for the reference. There is no requirement that the DYK fact must be cited from an English source. Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• I can also confirm the reference. That's one horrible translator bot, by the way, if I didn't speak Norwegian I wouldn't have been able to understand a anything at all from the Moss Avis article. Manxruler (talk) 17:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to take our word over the translator bot, which makes the headline out to be "Genocide ø about city trafikkproblemer". How about that as an alternative hook: Did you know "... that genocide ø about city trafikkproblemer"? Lampman (talk) 23:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the keepers of the Elbow of Cross Ledge Light slept in life jackets for fear of the lighthouse being struck by passing ships? self-nom, new article Mangoe (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The article contains three references. Some of the information seems to be Wikipedian conclusions based on looking at a map. Lighthousedepot.com is a commercial website. I am unsure whether lighthousedepot.com and lighthousefriends.com qualify as Wikipedia reliable sources. Perhaps consider using sources from Books and News. GregManninLB (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • It seems impossible to me that one could use a map as a reference for a text article without some sort of interpretation. Lighthousefriends.com has been used as a reference for virtually every extant US light article, and I do not understand why it is being characterized as a commercial site. Lighthouse Depot is of course commercial, as is every publisher's website; however, the link is to a journal article. I did consult some books through Google books, but in general the information in them is more limited and has to be vetted against these other sites for accuracy anyway. Mangoe (talk) 17:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Vorwerk is the only breed of chicken to share its name with a brand of household appliance? Selfnom VanTucky 17:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and date verified. Please add a quotation from the source to the end of Footnote 1 (Graham 2007, p. 178) that would allow DYK to verify the hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 15:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

MS Agdenes of Kystekspressen

• ... that Kystekspressen (pictured) offers wireless Internet access on their intercity passenger ferries? —self-non Arsenikk ^(talk) 17:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• So do our local ferries here, according to this. Isn't that pretty standard these days? Art LaPella (talk) 23:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• The hook checks out with the ref, but it's true that it doesn't exactly knock your socks off. Lampman (talk) 00:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The object in the suggested picture is not Kystekspressen, but MS Agdenes, a boat of the company. For now, I can't think of a simple way to fit this info into the hook without making it too long. --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the fishing boat, the Dogger (example pictured), takes its name from the Dogger Bank? - new article, self nom Benea (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The article says Dogger boat gave its name to Dogger Bank. How about "... that the 17th century form of fishing boat known as the Dogger (example pictured) received its name from one area in the North Sea and gave its name to another area in that same sea?" GregManninLB (talk) 16:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

No that's not quite how it goes, but I see how you've become confused. Dogger is a Dutch word, meaning a fishing boat operating a trawl, rather than any specific design of boat. Dutch boats operating trawls operated in an area of the North Sea, so the area became known as the Dogger Bank. Later this specific design of boat becomes highly prevalent fishing the Dogger Bank, and so they became known as Doggers. There is only one area in discussion, but the time frames are different. Dogger (Dutch word for generic boat) leads to Dogger Bank leads to Dogger (boat) (but a specific and different sort of boat) Benea (talk) 17:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that footballer Tom Holford played professionally until he was 46, making him the sixth oldest player to have appeared in a Football League match? (self-nom, new article) Oldelpaso (talk) 15:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and reference verified. GregManninLB (talk) 01:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Captain Ralph Kerr, commander of the Royal Navy's largest warship HMS Hood at the Battle of the Denmark Strait, had previously only commanded destroyers? - self nom, expanded 10-fold, Benea (talk) 13:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Proletarian Revolutionary Organisation, Nepal proposed in 1977 a synthesis of Buddhism and Maoism? --Soman (talk) 12:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC) (selfnom)

• ... that as a Boston College freshman current Toledo Mud Hens pitcher Chris Lambert was named Big East Conference "Pitcher of the Year" and "Rookie of the Year" in 2002? -- self nom, new article -- Mackensen (talk) 12:13, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Zebu element in the Jamaica Hope cattle comes from one Sahiwal bull? - self-nom - Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 09:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and reference verified. GregManninLB (talk) 01:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the world's premier sports library with 40,000 printed volumes is located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), a Colonial Revival mansion built in 1910? new article, self nom. by Cbl62 (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length verified. The LA84 Foundation reference does call the collection "premier", but the LA84 Foundation has a self interest in that the collection is housed in the headquarters of the LA84 Foundation. GregManninLB (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The term "premier" does have a subjective element, though the the Amateur Athletic Foundation Library is truly phenomenal -- not another like it anywhere. If that hook is too subjective, how about the following, which is more objective in its claim?

• ...that the largest sports research library in North America is located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), a Colonial Revival mansion built in 1910? new article, self nom. by Cbl62 (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

or

• ...that the Amateur Athletic Foundation Library, located on the grounds of LA's Britt House (pictured), has been called the "world's premier sports library"? Cbl62 (talk) 07:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Floyd Womack of the NFL's Seattle Seahawks was nicknamed "Pork Chop" because his mother thought he resembled professional wrestler Porkchop Cash? -- Article expanded fivefold by User:GaryColemanFan; Nom by GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and reference verified. Nice reverse tie in. GregManninLB (talk) 01:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that pteridomania is the Victorian era craze for fern collecting (shown) and fern motifs in decorative art? - self nom by House of Scandal (talk) 04:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• (I prefer short hooks but here's an alt:)... that pteridomania, the Victorian era craze for fern collecting (shown) and fern motifs in decorative art, brought people of different social classes together? - House of Scandal (talk)

• Would an admin please take a look at the article? A editor, over-zealous in my opinion, has slapped a copyright violation tag on it and is preventing my efforts to improve it. Thanks. - House of Scandal (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• The Pteridomania copyright discussion thread is here. I think using Boyd's web summary of his own writings may raise Wikipedia reliable source issues. GregManninLB (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• I've posted and reverted back to the article. However, I agree that a variety of sources as references would help the article. I also think the third large quote could be rewritten as original prose. There is nothing in that quote that is so electrifying that calls for quoting the passage. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks both of you for lending the situation some attention. I'm happy to address these concerns and was in the process of doing so when the tag was slapped on it. - House of Scandal (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2008 Indian Embassy bombing in Kabul was the most deadly attack in Kabul since the fall of the Taliban in which 41 people were killed, including a Brigadier of the Indian Army and an Indian Foreign Service officer? --gppande «talk» 10:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul is currently on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 23:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. We can wait till it gets buried in ITN. --gppande «talk» 13:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference verified. Definitely should make its way onto DYK at some point. GregManninLB (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

No. Definitely should NOT make its way back onto the main page after aappearing on ITN. No double-dipping! Let someone else take the precious space on the main page. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Comment: From an editorial point of view and considering the entire MainPage, re-featuring the same article twice within a mere few days is not a good idea. But I (usually) don't pick hooks for use on DYK and I know some DYK hook selecters don't take other sections on MainPage into consideration. If this is really going back onto MainPage after an appearance on ITN (I hope not), please at least have a hook that doesn't resemble the ITN hook. Right now, the suggested DYK hook looks like a longer version of what we have on ITN since yesterday and possibly for a few more days to come. Can we cut off the second half, removing "in which 41 people..." and instead mention when the fall of the Taliban took place? It's better to focus on other interesting things in this article not already on MainPage for days. --PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Calm down dude! Nobody is taking up the prime space on main page permanently. The article is too extensive, regularly updated and well written than the other DYK's we see. I am not comparing anything just highlighting the article's merit which qualifies it to DYK. And as I said, same article on DYK & ITN is not what even I am suggesting. Wait till it moves out of ITN and then it can be put up in DYK. If you have any other objection than this single one please speak now or forever hold your silence. :-) --gppande «talk» 15:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

"Calm down dude!" may have been meant to be a jocular comment (I think it was) but might easily be mistaken for borderline incivility. Please be careful, always, to maintain respectful tones in dialogue with fellow editors. Everyone is happier when don't forget this. Thanks! - House of Scandal (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that instead of making a triumphant entry to Harar, Ethiopia after winning the Battle of the Ogaden in 1936, Italian general Rodolfo Graziani tripped and injured himself visiting a local church? -- new article by Mkpumphrey (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Chichester's Inn

• ... that Walt Whitman and Theodore Roosevelt frequently visited Chichester's Inn (pictured) in West Hills, New York? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and reference verified. GregManninLB (talk) 01:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Keith Miller's cricket career was interrupted by World War II, during which he served in the Royal Australian Air Force and reached the rank of flying officer? Nom: Daniel (talk), Article: Blnguyen (talk), 03:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • (alt hook) ... that Keith Miller's cricket career was interrupted by World War II, during which he reached the rank of flying officer in the Royal Australian Air Force? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 6

• ... Australian naturalist, botanical artist, historian, author and teacher Rica Erickson wrote her first book Orchids of the West in 1951? (self-nom. Prose expanded from 1.4k to 6.8k) Moondyne 14:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... the Bank Night gaming fad contributed more than any other tactic to the resiliency of the film industry in the United States during the Great Depression? selfnom --Rividian (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when Indian cricketer Sourav Ganguly scored a century on test debut at Lord's in 1996, he became the third overall and first since John Hampshire in 1969 to do so?

or ... that Indian cricketer Sourav Ganguly scored centuries in his first two test innings, and was only the third person to do so? self nom Abeer.ag (talk) 10:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Penelope Wensley, who will become the next Governor of Queensland on 2008 July 29, was the first female Permanent Representative of Australia to the United Nations in New York? -- new article by Mikalee (talk · contribs) & Canley (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 03:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that chemist and science policy-maker Rudolf Mentzel, head of the German Research Foundation in the 1930s and later Second Vice President of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, was also an SS Brigadier? -- new article by Bfiene (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Streeterville neighborhood sits almost entirely on land that did not exist when the city of Chicago first incorporated?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

How to relate the hook to the suggested pic? Where to put "(pictured)"?--74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that many traumatic brain injuries have aspects of both focal and diffuse brain injury? Moved from userspace July 6. delldot talk 03:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Julio Vizcarrondo (pictured), from Puerto Rico, was the founder of the Protestant movement in the Iberian Peninsula in the 19th century?Tony the Marine (talk) 01:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Voltaire

• ... that Madonna, Michelangelo, Napoleon, Pelé and Voltaire (pictured) are all mononymous persons — each is commonly known by a "single name"? (Self-nomination by Nihil novi (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC))
  • Interesting topic, but the article has several issues: it is Eurocentric and does not present a worldwide view, it gives the impression of original research, and it's undersourced (in reality only one source), and too listy. May technically qualify, but I would recommend a thorough cleanup first. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 01:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Eleven of the 29 mononymous persons are Americans, Gackt and Mana are Japanese, Pelé and Ronaldinho are Brazilian. Contributions of African, Australian, Polynesian and other names are welcome. Nihil novi (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm not talking about the list, I'm talking about the article. Generalisations are made about naming conventions through the ages that have no sources, and do not necessarily apply outside of the European cultural sphere. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 02:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
        • I've added information that should help the article better reflect the complexity and diversity of the subject. Nihil novi (talk) 11:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Don't forget Napoleon (rapper). --74.13.128.148 (talk) 14:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • If you want to you can add him to List of one-word stage names. Lampman (talk) 01:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The topic's family seems to have had a history:
    • Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of fictional people known by one name
    • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional people known by one name
    • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people known by more than one given name (in combination)
    • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people known by one name
    • Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/People Known By One Name
    • List of one-word stage names
    • Mononymous persons
  • -- GregManninLB (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• I think the above list proves my point about the article being too listy: several similar lists have been deleted in the past. I reduced the list to include only a limited number of examples. With the current improvements I believe the article is ready for DYK. Lampman (talk) 00:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• I agree. Looks ready for DYK. GregManninLB (talk) 00:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• Looks more ready for AFD to follow People Known By One Name. How long will this page be if everyone in the Old Testament and everyone notable in Ancient Greece is included? --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• As I've made clear, the article has to remain an encyclopaedic discussion of the topic, rather than descend into a crufty list. Lampman (talk) 02:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that mizuna is a cold-resistant mustard green grown extensively during winter in Japan? (self nom - House of Scandal (talk) 21:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC))

• ... that the title of The West Wing episode "On the Day Before" refers to the Jewish holiday Erev Yom Kippur? - self-nom, 5-fold expanded and hook sourced, but if people are getting tired of West Wing DYK's, I understand... Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 21:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Morgan State University Football Bears have placed at least one player in the NFL for each of the past six decades and four of their players are in the NFL Hall of Fame? (Self-nominated)(expanded 5x)«Marylandstater» ^«reply» 20:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the English Riviera Geopark in Torbay, United Kingdom is the world's only urban Geopark? (Self-nominated) Totnesmartin (talk) 20:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... Adbot, one of the first internet advertising companies, was force to close only seven months after opening due to the fraudulent source of its start-up funding? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Brad Paisley's 2008 single "Waitin' on a Woman" is a re-recording of a song that he originally recorded on his 2005 album Time Well Wasted? — self nom by Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 17:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that pioneering founder of the film industry in Lahore, Abdur Rashid Kardar, was a calligraphist by profession who prepared posters for foreign film productions? -- created and self-nom by Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 06:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Operation Strangle was a World War II bombing campaign whose success was unrelated to its original objective? expanded from 100 words to over 700 words Durova^Charge! 04:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that actor Michael Sharrett played the grandson of Clovis, played by Academy Award winner Jimmy Stewart in the 1978 musical film, The Magic of Lassie? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by GregManninLB (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the public reaction after the death of Prince Wilhelm of Prussia caused Adolf Hitler to issue a decree barring all members of Germany's former royal houses from service in the military? -- new article using translation from original German (de:Wilhelm von Preußen (1906–1940)), self-nom by Morhange (talk) 01:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 282 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Better? Morhange (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
      • 229 characters is a gray area. Art LaPella (talk) 21:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
        • Oh, I wasn't aware that spaces were included. I got 192 characters without the spaces, so I thought that was okay. Do spaces count? Morhange (talk) 03:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
          • Yes, we count spaces, but not "(pictured)" if present. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
            • Got it down to 192 :) Is this okay now? Morhange (talk) 01:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
              • OK for length. Others will soon check citations etc. Art LaPella (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I added a reference to the article sentence serving as the source of the DYK hook. The reference indicates that the orders prohibited princes from participating in combat. It does not mention all members of Germany's former royal houses. Also, it does not mention the motivation for Hitler to issue the Prinzenerlass. Please provide inline cites in the article that verify the DYK hook. GregManninLB (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that ancient encyclopedic work Lü shi chun qiu was named not for its writers, but for their patron? Self-nom. Nousernamesleft (talk) 01:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Please merge this with Lüshi Chunqiu, which is an older and longer article. --PFHLai (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah - sorry, didn't realise that the article already exists. I speedy deleted it. Nousernamesleft (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I've turned the redlink into a redirect. Please be encouraged to update and expand the old article. --PFHLai (talk) 23:03, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the fungus gnat is often found around houseplants because it lays eggs in moist potting soil? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 20:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Thomas Bolton was the first astronomer to prove the existence of a black hole? (self-nom) Ricky81682 (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Pls be reminded that DYK articles need to be longer than 1500 characters. This one has less than 900. Pls type in a bit more. --PFHLai (talk) 01:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see that requirement. I didn't add that much text (mostly high scientific citations that throw off the character count), but frankly, I tried to pull everything I could on him. I hope it works now. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ricky81682, for expanding this wikipage to 1700+ characters for quickly. A regular DYK screener will look into other aspects of this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia's black hole article and the New York Times article from Dec 29, 1971 indicate that Louise Webster, Paul Murdin, and Tom Bolton were the first astronomers to prove the existence of a black hole. Webster and Murdin's work was from August 1971 to October 1971.[3] If you have something that shows Bolton's black hole finished work predated August 1971, then the hook would be justified. -- GregManninLB (talk) 07:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ALT HOOK: Looks like Webster and Murdin independently discovered the wobble with Bolton, so the hook is inaccurate. Would "... that Charles Thomas Bolton, along with and independent of Louise Webster and Paul Murdin, proved the existence of a black hole?" be better? A couple red-links now though. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 02:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• The alt hook looks better and is supported by the references. However, we can't have red links on the Main Page, but you can turn them into stubs or not dynamically link them. GregManninLB (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Enlightened first minister of the Duchy of Parma, Guillaume du Tillot, introduced the first extensive potato cultivation in northern Italy in the 1760s?--Wetman (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length verified. The article says "he encouraged cultivation of the potato" and does not mention anything similar to "extensive" cultivation. Also, for DYK, there should be an inline citation to the potato portion of the article. GregManninLB (talk) 00:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the longest tenured manager of the Seattle Mariners, Lou Pinella led the team to a season with 116 wins, tying the record for wins in a season?-Created article.--LAAFan 20:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length verified. However, reference no. 2 didn't seem to mention the "longest tenured manager" portion of the hook and "116 wins" does not appear in the "List of Seattle Mariners managers" article. GregManninLB (talk) 00:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

... that Lou Piniella, the only Mariners manager to lead a team into the playoffs, recorded a season with 116 wins, tying the record of wins in a season?- Second round. Fixed.--LAAFan 15:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the name of popular Ivorian music genre Coupé-Décalé is a local slang term for cheating somebody and running away? New article by Thelivesofbirds, proposed by Birdseed (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the cult of Saint Chiaffredo arose after the discovery of a sarcophagus containing a mysterious skeleton near the Italian town of Crissolo? --Polylerus (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 5

• ... that Nigar Awards are the oldest awards of merit in the Pakistani film industry? -- new article by Plutonics; Nom by IslesCape^Talk 10:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

816 South Grand Avenue, Los Angeles

• ... that the building at 816 Grand Avenue in Los Angeles (pictured), originally an eight-story parking garage, was converted to lofts, whereupon residents complained about a lack of parking? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Image, length, and reference verified. Funny DYK. GregManninLB (talk)

• ... that after capturing Amba Aradam during the Second Italo-Abyssinian War, the Italians bombed the fleeing Ethiopian soldiers with mustard gas and bribed local Azebu Galla tribesmen to attack them? -- new article by Mkpumphrey (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Mohsen Bilal, the Information Minister of Syria, threatened to take back the Golan Heights by force if Israel didn't hand it over to Syria? -- new article, self-nom--SJP _Chat 07:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed the passage on which the hook was based from the article.This position is by no means exceptional, nor milestones in the political career of Bilal. Bilal, as Minister of Information, is the official spokesperson of the Syrian government, and this statement is just in line with all other Syrian government statements on Golan since the 1967 war. It is not Bilal who 'threatens' anyone, it is the government position. Its a bit like saying that Ari Fleischer threatened to invade Iraq. --Soman (talk) 07:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that it is now possible to create detailed medical images of nerves via a technique called magnetic resonance neurography? --new article, self-nom afillerAfiller (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)23:20, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that six of the sixteen cardinals died of malaria during the papal election, 1287-1288? Savidan 02:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

• Two things: first, the article says the deaths are usually attributed to malaria but lists one writer who believes it was the Black Death. Is the malaria view sufficiently dominant that we can give it as fact? If so maybe the article could make that a bit clearer. Secondly, the Philip Smith reference gives a 404. Nice article and hook though - was thinking of nominating it myself until I saw it was already here. Olaf Davis | Talk 21:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Without question the malaria "view" is correct, especially considering this is 100 years too early for the plague. You can take out the cause of death in the hook if it worries you. I don't understand your second comment. Savidan 23:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Black Death in 1287 would have been an interesting hook indeed! The malaria story checks out, according to Bagliani and Peterson, I believe it was quite common in Rome at the time (certainly more common than the Black Death...) The problem with your links was that they were dead. I've replaced them, but the Google Books links I found weren't readable. Anyway, the main issue here is length - without the table I get it to be 1,372 characters, and the 1,500 limit is a mandatory minimum. Lampman ^{Talk to me!} 06:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was referring to 404 error, but Lampman's corrected that now. As he says the length is the primary remaining issue - still some time to expand it a little more, though. Olaf Davis | Talk 13:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

If the cause of death is a subject of debate, how about just "... that six of the sixteen cardinals died during the papal election, 1287-1288?" That's interesting enough to me...maybe even more as it would make me want to read the article and find out why. In any case, let's be sure to link "cardinals".- House of Scandal (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Let me be absolutely clear that this is not under any circumstances a matter of debate! I was really just being flippant about this, but there was no Black Death in Europe in 1287/8! This was suggested by some historian writing in 1898, who obviously had no idea what he was talking about, and I assume it's included in the article simply as a curiosity. Modern historians are quite clear that it was in fact malaria. The issue of length remains though, and Savidan must show an effort to expand the article before it can be approved. Lampman (talk) 01:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, having actually looked at the dates involved I'm happy that the malaria statement is correct - I just hadn't done that reality check when I first commented on the hook. I've added a note to the article pointing out that the Black Death claim contradicts the actual dates of the plague. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Daniel Page, the second mayor of St. Louis, Missouri, helped finance the construction of the Ohio and Mississippi Railroad? --new article, self-nom by Millbrooky (talk) 02:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Can we see the actual page of the book that says this at Google instead of just a title page? Daniel Case (talk) 19:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Przemyśl, Old Synagogue

• ... that the half-orphaned six-year-old Helena Podgórska, with her teenage sister, harbored 13 Jews for two-and-a-half years in the attic of their house in Przemyśl (pictured), during the Holocaust? -- new article, self-nom by Poeticbent talk 00:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ghulam Ahmed Chishti wrote, composed and recorded six to seven songs for the film Pheray in a single day? -- new article created by Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 23:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 19:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1974 film La prima Angélica created the greatest scandal surrounding any Spanish film during the Franco years?

Miguelemejia (talk • contribs) --Miguelemejia (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Adams Avenue Parkway is the only toll road in Utah, built after years of citizen requests to the state to build a connection from Interstate 84 and U.S. Route 89? -- new article self-nom by Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 21:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Far too short at less than 500 characters. No inline citation. --Millbrooky (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Updated, still less than 1500, aprox 1050. Inline citations added. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 00:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

It's still not up to 1,500. Daniel Case (talk) 04:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that George Zames pioneered the small-gain theorem, circle criterion in input–output form and the H-infinity methods, and is considered one of the founders of robust control? --self-nom --Jiuguang Wang (talk) 21:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the former general secretary of the Communist Party of Nepal, Keshar Jung Rayamajhi, turned royalist and went on to become the chairman of the Royal Privy Council of Nepal? (selfnom) --Soman (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Thomas Kimmwood Peters invented the first microfilm camera using 35 mm film to photograph documents? New article by --Doug ^talk 19:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• (alternate)... that Thomas Kimmwood Peters was the only newsreel photographer that filmed the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 1906? by --Doug ^talk 19:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference verified for second hook, which I would prefer to use. Daniel Case (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Charles Mathias, Jr.

• ... that Charles Mathias, Jr. (pictured) is the only Republican from the U.S. state of Maryland to be elected to three terms in the United States Senate? (self-nom; rewritten and significantly expanded from a public domain copy-paste) --Tom (talk - email) 19:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 5X expansion verified. Please add source quote to end of article footnote 8 to verify DYK hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
    • It is already sourced. Please note there is no bias on Wikipedia against online or offline sources. Someone with access to the ProQuest online research service through a university or public library can verify it for you. --Tom (talk - email) 11:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Plymouth's lighthouse, Smeaton's Tower (pictured), was dismantled and then rebuilt on Plymouth Hoe as a memorial? - Recently added to the article on Plymouth today here. bsrboy (talk) 13:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a new article, nor significantly expanded. --Millbrooky (talk) 19:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I added a new section to the article about landmarks with pictures. Why isn't that classed as "significant"? bsrboy (talk) 19:53, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

From the looks of it, you didn't expand the article fivefold. It looks like you did some cleaning up and added a few pics. That's not a fivefold expansion which is why it was declined. -- RyRy (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I wandered this before, what is fivefold? bsrboy (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Expanding an article 5 times it's original length. Hope that helps. :D -- RyRy (talk) 23:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. You might want to note that at the top of the article in case someone doesn't understand. bsrboy (talk) 23:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I admit, it took me a while to figure that out for myself. :-P --cremepuff222 (talk) 01:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity... what did you guys think it meant? Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that San Francisco's 1873 Pigtail Ordinance was deemed unconstitutional because it discriminated against Chinese immigrants? -- Self-nom; article expanded five-fold, from former stub. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 09:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that sea witches often appeared among sailors in British folklore and were able to control several aspects of nature? -- new article self-nom by --cremepuff222 (talk) 09:18, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

. Please review carefully. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean "review" as in "correcting grammar issues"? --cremepuff222 (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC) In any case, I have revised it. --cremepuff222 (talk) 00:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The information from the article comes from themystica.com and other internet sites, which I was unable to determine whether met Wikipedia reliable source standard. GregManninLB (talk) 06:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I am concerned that the article doesn't clearly distinguish folkloric witches from modern self-identified practicioners. It also implies that sea magic is real, a claim I would consider highly POV. -House of Scandal (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

- Per GregManninLB's concerns about lack of reliable sources, HouseOfScandal's issues with content, and the fact that it's only 1320 characters in length. Kafziel ^{Complaint Department} 07:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Anthony Pratkanis' opinion on the United States military in Iraq is that soft power encompassing democratic values and ideals will gain the trust of the people before hard military power?Self nom. SriMesh | talk 02:27, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

- its a CV and/or POV and/or list - articles have at least 1500 chars of text Victuallers (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that American President Lines was the first shipping company to move containers by sea, rail and road with its Linertrain and Red Eagle services? -- Article expanded fivefold since the 1st, sources and images added - self-nom by Danny252 (talk) 03:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

  Actually the source doesn't say that, all it says that the "LinerTrain [was] the first dedicated train service operated by an ocean-shipping company" - which is not the same thing. Gatoclass (talk) 04:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1870 the Indian Reform Association aimed at putting into practice some of the ideas that the Brahmo leader Keshub Chunder Sen was exposed to during his visit to Great Britain ? New article self nom by - Brahmachari (talk) 10:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

""Imbibed"? He drank the ideas? Where can I get some of that? Sounds like fun. Daniel Case (talk) 03:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I hope the ideas taste good. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Revised the hook - Brahmachari (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ficus coronata

• ... that the rough leaves of Australian fig species Ficus coronata (pictured) have the texture of sandpaper?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Casliber (talk • contribs) 15:10, 2008 July 9 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 4

• ... that the Citadel of Saigon, a stone fortress in Vietnam, was captured during the French invasion after less than a day of battle? Nom: Daniel (talk), article: Blnguyen (talk), 02:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in his 1570 book on religious images, the theologian Molanus objected to showing the infant Jesus naked, among many other things? self-nom by Johnbod (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Reworded final phrase. Daniel Case (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Rustic chapel at Buffalo Gap provides respite and solace to visitors.

• ... that Buffalo Gap, a town of fewer than five hundred south of Abilene, Texas, contains a large American West museum, with fifteen historic buildings and thousands of artifacts?--self-nom revised and expanded, with inclusion of six photographs. It won't be five times expanded unless the space for the photos are counted too. Billy Hathorn (talk) 12:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Reference verified at Texas Travel guide website here. Presently a 4.0x expansion. Needs 2,814 more characters for five-fold expansion. --Millbrooky (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Vaidila, depicted in the Lithuanian Chronicles as a kitchen assistant who entered nobility only through marriage, was the only Lithuanian duke known to marry a daughter of a Gediminid ruler? -- new article by Renata3 (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on July 3

Columbus Monument

Columbus Monument

• ... that the Columbus Monument (pictured) in Barcelona, Spain, was built entirely using Spanish materials and Catalan labor? (self-nom) -- I know the sourcing doesn't exactly match what we'd call a "reliable source", but I have links to stuff in Catalan and Spanish, neither of which I can read (apart from educated guesses), both of which seem to support the reference I used. Howcheng (talk · contribs) 00:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length verified - 2,494 DYK characters. The reference indicates that it was proposed that the erection of a Columbus memorial was to be entirely the work of Catalonian artists. You might be able to find a reference in Google books. Also, there are some old New York Times articles on the monument. -- GregManninLB (talk) 05:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't know why I didn't think of checking Google Books, but I changed the source for that to be a book. In fact, it's the same book that the web page I was citing is also using. howcheng {chat} 16:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Page 92 of the book reads, "The iron, steel, bronze, stone and lime employed in its construction are all Spanish, and the conception, direction and handiwork of everyone of its parts is not only all Spanish, but exclusively Catalonian." The material was not exclusively Catalan. The DYK hook would be more correct to read, "... that the Columbus Monument (pictured) in Barcelona, Spain, was built entirely using Spanish materials and Catalan labor?" GregManninLB (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
        • Man, I completely misread that statement. You are correct. howcheng {chat} 18:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
          • Length and reference verified. Agreed upon hook - "... that the Columbus Monument (pictured) in Barcelona, Spain, was built entirely using Spanish materials and Catalan labor?" GregManninLB (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Dr. Nelson Wilson House is unusual for having Eastlake stickwork done in brick instead of wood?(self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 08:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length OK - the article has 1,738 DYK characters. However, DYK needs inline citations for each article sentence mentioned in the hook to verify the hook. -- GregManninLB (talk) 22:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Is it so hard to look at end of paragraph? Anyways, I moved a sentence so the hook is next to reference.--Bedford ^Pray 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Bedford, I want to acknowledge that I do notice you are very deliberately not including properly formatted footnotes on articles about NRHP sites, perhaps defiantly(!?) because i commented on the bare URLs in some of your submissions. And, further, perhaps as some kind of further retaliation or something, you are now also not including the NRHP infobox which you always used to include, and which I think many would agree adds to the article. This is the 2nd of 3 done this way since I commented. The first of these three was Pryor Brock Farmstead, which i didn't comment about in the DYK nomination process, but which, once posted as a DYK, immediately attracted a cleanup tag,

attached by another editor. I think it is a valid concern, that decently formatted references should be included in DYK articles that are profiled on the wikipedia frontpage. At least from very experienced DYK editors, I don't think that is setting a good example. doncram (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

These are too new for the infobox generator, so they wouldn't have infoboxes anyways. You might also noite I did not list them on the new articles for NRHP, nor tagged them for WP:NRHP; seemed detrimental to them.--Bedford ^Pray 05:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clarifying that you mean to be insulting to me and/or to the NRHP wikiproject. For brand new NRHPs, by the way, I create an infobox by editing a previous one, filling out the fields that are possible from given information. For this one, you could fairly easily do that, given that the reference is a copy of the NRHP reference form. doncram (talk) 09:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Please calm down, doncram. No one else is taking that abusive tone here. --Wetman (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Um, well, i dont believe i have been abusive in any respect. I am just publicly acknowledging Bedford's own public acknowledgment of his intention to insult, and to shortshrift his own DYK articles. doncram (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Since they are over 1500, and have references, they are not "shortshrift" at all. *rolls eyes* --Bedford ^Pray 23:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

It is noted in the guidelines for this page, that DYKs should "cite their sources (these sources should be properly labelled; that is," etc. with the obvious direction that they should follow some citation standard other than bare URLs. Your wp:POINTY behaviour is deliberately obnoxious, that is well received. If one looks at the available references, it is obvious to an NRHP editor that following the NRHP standard for references of NRHP documents would enrich the article. For one it would avoid the arguable appearance of plagiarism (when defined as giving inadequate credit to authors of material, here the problem being that the authors of the NRHP texts are not named, hence arguably not being given adequate credit) and the failure to call appropriate attention to included photographs, which is a standard part of NRHP documents, per draft WP:NRHPMOS. It is in those senses that i recognize, as you have acknowledged, your giving shortshrift to these articles. Also, you do not give any explanation for your change in practices, such as dropping the useful NRHP infobox, to indicate anything other than your change is some kind of punishment to me for having commented on your footnoting style. doncram (talk) 01:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Stop biting each other, guys. --74.13.125.67 (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Pointy would be if I went back to other articles and made them bare. I am nowhere near those new places to take a pictures of them, and the infoboxes are not available. Also, as has been proven, the reference style in question has long been acceptable for DYK purposes.--Bedford ^Pray 03:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed up references in your articles before, and I was asking you, as an experienced DYK medal collector, to do better. It appears to me that in this reply you may now be trying to mislead others, on two points: 1. As you know, I did not say you needed to go get a photo yourself. The Dr. Wilson Nelson House NRHP application itself includes 9 nice color photos of the house, and mentioning those within the reference, as is the standard in NRHP references, would improve the article. 2. You say "infoboxes are not available" perhaps meaning pre-formed ones from the Elkman infobox generator are not. In fact, as i suggested already, it would be easy to adapt any previous NRHP infobox to include the available info now: NRHP name of the property, location, NRHP listing date, source of date, refnum, etc. doncram (talk) 10:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that construction of the courthouse (pictured) of the Rochester Downtown Historic District may have spurred nearby buildings to have faux stones cemented upon them? (self-nom)--Bedford ^Pray 07:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Length OK - the article has 1,839 DYK characters. However, DYK needs inline citations for each article sentence mentioned in the hook to verify the hook. -- GregManninLB (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Look at the second paragraph of Section 7, Page 3. The hook is referenced there. I made the last sentence part of the previous, so the hook's reference is at the end of the sentence.--Bedford ^Pray 23:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
  • This is the 3rd of three with poorly formatted references, as commented about above at Dr. Nelson Wilson House DYK submission. doncram (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

More like 3rd of 8, actually.--Bedford ^Pray 05:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I interpret you as meaning to verify that you do deliberately do a poor job with referencing, in articles that you are creating of NRHP sites. I did notice another article of yours, a DYK today on another topic, that was more correctly footnoted. So you are deliberately slighting the NRHPs that you do, then, as some kind of retaliation for my commenting on your referencing. doncram (talk) 09:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hugh McCulloch

• ... that Hugh McCulloch (pictured) became president of the Bank of Indiana without any prior experience in banking at all, and he would later serve under four U.S. Presidents as Secretary of the Treasury? -- new article by Cool10191 (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 05:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • 201 character hook length (should be fewer than about 200 characters). Also, DYK needs inline citations for each article sentence mentioned in the hook to verify the hook. GregManninLB (talk) 22:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's footnote #3 in the paragraph about McCulloch. --PFHLai (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... (alt hook) that the Indiana state government's share of the funds after the Bank of Indiana closed went to fund the first state funded school system in the United States?--Bedford ^Pray 22:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• No offense, but it's a little anal about fussing over 201 being more than 200, but this hook seems better anyhow.--Bedford ^Pray 22:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I like your hook better than mine, Bedford, but can we not have the word "fund" in there 3 times? :-) --PFHLai (talk) 23:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... (alt hook) that the Indiana state government's share of the proceeds after the Bank of Indiana closed went to fund the first state supported school system in the United States?

I altered two funds, although all three were different versions of the word.--Bedford ^Pray 05:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hieronymus van Beverningh was sent as part of a team to negotiate the end of the First Anglo-Dutch War because one person could not be trusted? by Ereunetes nom. Victuallers (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Article doesn't say that, but source does. Daniel Case (talk) 04:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC) withdrawn Victuallers (talk) 07:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Mecklenburg underwent a series of partitions, so that by the 18th century, rulers in both of its parts had identical titles, leading to diplomatic confusion? -- self-nom by Biruitorul ^Talk 14:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

List, including hook fact, is completely unreferenced. Daniel Case (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, a source is listed at the bottom - that was enough for de.wiki to promote it to Featured List in April. OK, so yes, we have other standards, and I will try to look for a page number or something to satisfy the DYK demands, but still. Biruitorul ^Talk 17:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

All right, I've made some changes. May I ask the hook be verified again? (And by the way, the list is all on Wigger p.326 - I hope the note makes it clear enough.) Biruitorul ^Talk 02:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Length verified. The translator didn't pick up on the words "diplomatic confusion". Please add a quote from the source to the end of footnote 4 that will verify the DYK hook. Thanks. GregManninLB (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

(I suppose it's implied.) How about this, momentarily - or is it not interesting enough? I'll press the de.wiki author further for verification on that last part, but in the interim, will this do? Biruitorul ^Talk 22:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Update: yes, the "diplomatic confusion" phrase does appear to be a deduction. What should I do - keep the hook with the last part struck out, put the phrase back in, or find an altogether new hook? Biruitorul ^Talk 14:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference (without "diplomatic confusion") verified. Moreover, the hook reads fine without the "diplomatic confusion" phrase. GregManninLB (talk) 19:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the concept of hurricanes as "a moving vortex" was first developed by John Farrar after the Great September Gale of 1815? ––Bender235 (talk) 16:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Too short and no inline citations. Daniel Case (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Update - It's still too short (863 DYK characters) and no in-line citations. GregManninLB (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

See also

• User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).