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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

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 | author        = User
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on June 10

Around the World Submerged

... that the 1962 non-fiction book Around the World Submerged by Captain Edward L. Beach, Jr. revealed a previously-unreported temporary shutdown of one of the reactors during the submerged circumnavigation of the world by the U.S. Navy's nuclear-powered submarine USS Triton in 1960?

Created by Marcd30319 (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cromer Windmill, Ardeley

... that Cromer Windmill (pictured) has been dated by dendrochronology to 1681?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 13:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 14:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Booya (ship)

... that almost 29 years after she went missing in Darwin Harbour during Cyclone Tracy, the Booya was discovered by accident in only 20 metres of water?

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, reference (currently [4]) all OK. Hook tweaked by insertion of "almost". Mjroots (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Jayco, Inc

... that Jayco, the largest privately held manufacturer of recreational vehicles in North America, has mostly Amish (pictured) and Mennonite employees?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 11:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. — Jake Wartenberg 17:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Konrad Nielsen

... that Norwegian philologist Konrad Nielsen, known for work on the Sami languages, was a member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Metcalfe House, Delhi

... that in Christmas Eve party held in 1895 at the Metcalfe House, Delhi, unusual events of murder of an Englishman and a fire that ruined Metcalfe’s testimonials occurred; mystery shrouded both events ?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt Hook:} ... that the second Metcalfe House, Delhi, named “Dilkhusha”, built by Sir Thomas Theophilus Metcalfe, 4th Baronet in Mehrauli as a pleasure retreat used to be rented as guest house to honeymooning couples?--Nvvchar (talk) 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame

... that the 143 foot (44m) long muskie sculpture (pictured) at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in the United States is the world's largest muskie?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, but the hook is a tad misleading. Is it a real muskie? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that the 143 foot (44m) long muskie sculpture (pictured) at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in the United States is the world's largest? — Jake Wartenberg 12:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would work, but I was thinking more along the lines of: ...that the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame is home to the world's largest muskie sculpture (pictured)? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norman E. Brinker

... that Norman E. Brinker, founder of restaurant chains Steak & Ale and Bennigan's, was an Olympic class equestrian who competed in the 1952 Summer Olympics?

5x expanded by Jeremy (talk). Nominated by Jeremy (talk) at 04:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Kournikova computer virus

... that the Anna Kournikova computer virus was created by Jan de Wit using a generic Visual Basic Worm Generator program?

created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But this should technically be under the June 9 heading. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tracy Kidder

... that Tracy Kidder, a Pulitzer Prize winner for his second book, was so unhappy with his first book that he bought back the rights from the publisher so that it would not "see the light of day again"?

5x expanded by Uncia (talk). Self nom at 03:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Off-line reference accepted in good faith. Could you change "disgusted" to something more neutral, such as "disappointed"? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Changed "disgusted" to "unhappy with" (although Kidder said "disgusting"). --Uncia (talk) 13:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again (Yui song)

... that Japanese pop rock singer Yui's "Again" has the highest opening week sales for a female act in 2009?

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, thought it just passes the length requirement. AGF on the Japanese hook ref. — Jake Wartenberg 12:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rollercoaster (Phineas and Ferb)

... that the pilot episode of Phineas and Ferb was pitched to Disney executives in the form of a reel of storyboards instead of a script?

Created/expanded by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing technically wrote with it, but can we get a better source than the show itself? Also, other references need to be formatted correctly. Fairly interesting hook, though. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~I can find the other source than the DVD extra easily, but what refs need formatting and how? The Flash ^{talk} 04:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

~~Added the other source and formatted refs. The Flash ^{talk} 14:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

Fixed. The Flash ^{talk} 17:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 9

Foreign cardinal

... that the cardinals were no allowed to serve simultaneously as residential bishops until the pontificate of Alexander III (1159–1181)?

Created by CarlosPn (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kohno Michisei

... that the work of Kohno Michisei (pictured) was influenced by the paintings of Albrecht Dürer, which he knew almost exclusively from books and magazines?

--> Created by AlbertHerring (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A little thin, I know, but that's what I could do with the English-language sources; as it stands, it just squeaks by the required number of characters. Anyone fancy having a look at Japanese-language sources and padding it out a bit? I would, but I don't speak Japanese. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One Cell in the Sea

... that A Fine Frenzy's debut album, One Cell in the Sea, launched the group to the top of Billboard's Top Heatseekers chart?

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging

... that 77-year-old U.S. Representative Claude Pepper used his chairing of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging to highlight the falsehoods of age stereotyping?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fun Little Movies

... that Fun Little Movies, reported to have created the first commercial to play on a wireless handheld device in the United States, is the first U.S. company to produce comedy films to play on mobile phones worldwide?

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mill Colonnade

... that the Mill Colonnade (pictured) was originally reviled by critics before eventually becoming a symbol for Karlovy Vary?

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas S. Rodgers

... that Thomas S. Rodgers was one of five members of his family to reach the rank of Rear Admiral in the United States Navy during the first 25 years of the 20th century?

Created by Jrt989 (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Chrysler SERV

... that Chrysler entered a single-stage to orbit spacecraft known as SERV to fill the requirements of the Space Transportation System?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Entered in what? A contest? This hook is confusing. Also, as a side note, there is a red ref error about halfway down the article. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brooke Brewer

... that while training for World War I, American athlete Brooke Brewer played for the "Usaacs", a football team composed of soldiers from the U.S. Army's ambulance service?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Source for hook accepted in good faith. ceranthor 21:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camber thrust

... that camber thrust contributes to the ability of bicycles and motorcycles to negotiate a turn with the same radius as automobiles but with a smaller steering angle?

Created by AndrewDressel (talk) Self nom at 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tawny nurse shark

... that when captured, the tawny nurse shark (pictured) often spits a jet of water into the faces of its captors?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline source accepted in good faith.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 21:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Government of Singapore

Parliament House, Singapore

... that since 1959 the Cabinet which controls the Government of Singapore (Parliament House pictured) has been formed by the People's Action Party?

5x expanded by Jacklee (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion good, ref checks out, excellent work. The fact is interesting, too; I knew the PAP was a big deal there but I didn't realize they were this powerful. The hook could use some tweaking to bring out the fact a bit better...maybe something like this:
ALT1 ... that the People's Action Party has dominated the Government of Singapore (Parliament House pictured) by winning a majority of seats in every general election since 1959?
In another situation I might say that a hook like that is too POV, but in this case it's a clear fact and it is pretty intense, so I don't think "dominated" is an exaggeration. And I guess there is some nuance and 1959 isn't technically the "first" Singaporean general election, but as far as I know it was the first full election and the first one under the current constitution. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I like your alternative hook, though perhaps we could avoid the issue of whether the 1959 general election was really the "first one" by just saying "... in every general election since 1959". The Constitution that we have now is not the same as the one we had in 1959, as back then Singapore was still a British colony, though self-governing. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 21:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sounds fine to me; edited accordingly. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - OK! Tweaked the punctuation. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 04:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's Your Song

... that Garth Brooks released both live and studio recordings of his 1998 single "It's Your Song" to radio?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 19:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article fails length requirements. Even including the block of song lyrics this article is below 1500 characters of readable text. --Allen3 ^talk 20:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check. — Jake Wartenberg 12:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ice Hockey Association of India

... that the Ice Hockey Association of India is hoping to prepare a team for the 2010 Commonwealth Games, despite the lack of any indoor hockey rinks in the entire country?

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was hoping to share credit with Scorpion0422, who created the article. Geraldk (talk) 18:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but it should be counted as a new article, not an expanded one. Otherwise,

length, date, and source verified. ceranthor 21:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do I need to change the template then or what? Geraldk (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geography of Michigan

... ... that in Michigan, no one is more than 6 miles (9.7 km) from any lake?

Created by Permethius (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a pretty dull hook IMO, and I'd go so far as to say nearly everybody in the Northeast United States already knows this. Can you find a more interesting bit of info? Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 21:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah no, this is fine. Think of those who are not from the US and may have heard of Michigan or know the three lakes but never connected the two. It certainly won't be obvious to every European or non-US readers from wherever... --can dle •wicke 21:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's still pretty boring. It essentially says that Michigan has lakes...well, big whoop, most states or provinces have lakes, and that's the sort of thing you'd expect to find in an article about geography. On a side note, the hook is not even well-written...first of all, "geography includes lakes" is not really normal English (geography is an abstract thing, it doesn't "include" physical things like rocks and lakes), and secondly the period after "great lakes" (which I have now removed) was wrong and suggested that there are only three great lakes. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think you'll find there are many countries where one lake is a novelty... also is the DYK tag on the talk page a mistake? If not, DYK has already featured it today... --can dle •wicke 22:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a mistake; the creator probably made the page by copy-pasting another article's talk page. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And, by the way, regardless of the novelty of the lakes, this is a boring hook fair and square. Let's pretend this was a bio instead. Lots of people have kids but, of course, lots also don't. Does that mean it would be interesting for me to write a hook saying " ... that Joe Schmo has 3 children?" Absolutely not. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what happened to Lake Erie? I thought the state of Michigan took pride in bordering four of the Great Lakes, not just three of them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was surprised it took as many observations of this proposed hook to point out the missing Great Lake. I have a few suggestions for alternate hooks:

ALT1... that in Michigan (map picured) no one is more than 85 miles (137 km) from one of the Great Lakes?
ALT2... that there over 11,000 inland lakes in Michigan?

Imzadi1979 (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There, now those are much more interesting hooks (and possibly even better would be slight varation of ALT1, pointing out that no one is more than 6 miles from any lake). I'm not sure the source for ALT1 is reliable, unfortunately, but at least we're on the right track. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if I change it to ALT2 would it make it? I've made the article into more sections, to make more easily accessible too.--Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ ^{Hit Me!}_{Sign Here!} 13:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 is sourced to the same website as ALT1. I will leave a message at the reliable sources noticeboard to see what they have to say. If they do say it's reliable, I would probably choose ALT1, which I think is more interesting than ALT2. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, I would want ALT1 over 2 , much more interesting.--Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ ^{Hit Me!}_{Sign Here!} 13:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: ... that in Michigan, no one is more than 6 miles (9.7 km) from any lake? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 verified, length and history good, RS/N says the source is ok for DYK purposes. I personally would not use the map picture, but maps have been used before so the person promoting this hook to the queue may choose.

The article is not the best article DYK has ever seen and most of it is still not sourced with inline citations, but I am feeling generous for now and pass it; if you have any intentions to work on the article further, though, sourcing is a top priority. And please do not remove the {{refimprove}} tag again, or this article might not be promoted after all. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, moving ALT3 to the hook. --Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ ^{Hit Me!}_{Sign Here!} 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is now more interesting, but I'm really not comfortable putting an article with maintenance tags on the main page. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rollercoaster (Phineas and Ferb)

... that the pilot episode of Phineas and Ferb was pitched to Disney executives in the form of a reel of storyboards instead of a script?

Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gold Glove Award winners at first base

... that Rafael Palmeiro won the Gold Glove Award at first base in 1999 despite appearing in only 28 games at the position?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pathophysiology of hypertension

... that through extensive studying of the pathophysiology of hypertension, it was discovered that hypertension can be caused by genetic inheritance?

Created by Madhero88 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you consider "it was discovered that" instead? "They discovered" simply makes no sense here. Circeus (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem I already changed it :-) MaenK.A._Talk 23:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kanneliya-Dediyagala-Nakiyadeniya

... that the KDN forest complex is the last large remaining rainforest in Sri Lanka other than sinharaja?

5x expanded by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5 times expansion, hook ref checks out - good work. hamiltonstone (talk) 05:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Hamiltonstone, for the comment.--Chanaka L (talk) 07:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christian A. R. Christensen

... that in 1956, Christian A. R. Christensen was behind the first revision of the Ethical Code of Practice for the Norwegian Press?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 12:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign language source accepted in good-faith. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sharlot Hall‎

... that a copy of Sharlot Hall‎'s poem Arizona, which mocked efforts to merge Arizona Territory and New Mexico Territory into a single state, was given to every member of the U.S. Congress?

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 11:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything checks out. Nice article. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ay Amor

... that Mexican singer-songwriter Ana Gabriel ranked third at the OTI Festival held in Lisbon, Portugal, in 1987 with the song "Ay Amor"?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 06:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 13:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My Year Without Sex (film)

... that Sarah Watt's new film, My Year Without Sex, has been touted as "possibly the best" Australian film of 2009?

Created by Pfctdayelise (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does not meet size requirements, and references need to be formatted properly. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 12:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention the hook is far too promotional. Reviewers say such-and-such a film is "possibly the best" all the time; in most cases, it's just sweet nothings. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

M-28 Business (Newberry, Michigan)

... that a section of the former BUS M-28 in Newberry, Michigan, has also carried the designations M-28, M-48, M-117 or M-123 at different times in its history?

Created by Imzadi1979 (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline reference accepted in good-faith. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 12:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 8

Dustbot

... that Dustbot, the cleaning robot, responds to text messages and uses GPS to find homes and collect trash?

Comment: My first DYK; please help improve the hook or any other suggestions.

Created by Cubs197 (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Hook verified by online source. I have bolded the article title in your hook. Should Chzz get a DYK credit for this as well? decltype (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and do make sure that all prose that is not quoted is sufficiently paraphrased. I found a couple of places where this wasn't the case. decltype (talk) 13:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pale-headed Rosella

... that the Australian Pale-headed Rosella is partial to seeds of the introduced Scotch Thistle and Rough Cockleburr, as well as the native River Red-gum and tea tree?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 08:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion checks out, and the hook has a cite, but the cite details appear missing - only the author surname and page number. The full cite needs to be on the ref list. Will leave message for nom. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The refs with surnames and page nubmers only refer to books listed here at Pale-headed_Rosella#Cited_text - where I put things which have more than one reference. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of tombs of antipopes

... that Pope Innocent II demolished Santa Maria in Trastevere (pictured) and was buried in the rebuilt basilica in the space formerly occupied by the tomb of his rival, Anacletus II?

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 17:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wawffactor

... that Grammy award winning singer Duffy made her TV debut on the Welsh language talent show Wawffactor?

Created by Cymru82 (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Espada Jr.

... that in a June 2009 "parliamentary coup", Democrats Hiram Monserrate and Pedro Espada Jr. agreed to vote with Republicans, giving the minority Republicans control of the New York State Senate?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cunt (video game)

... that players in the Flash game Cunt take control of a penis that shoots semen at an enemy vagina?

Comment: I am not making this up.

Created by Someone another (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and verified, very funny hook.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny, yes, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for the main page. Tamer things have been kept off in the past. I'm not personally taking a position, but i'm going to leave a note at WT:DYK all the same, just to see what others think. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Wikipedia isn't censored.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need a reminder of that. This discussion has been rehashed hundreds of times and my message at WT:DYK#Appropriate for the main page? already pre-empted your "Wikipedia isn't censored" comment. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with Rjanag here. Wikipedia isn't censored, fine, but we need to have common sense. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 12:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest (if necessary) that this be placed "on hold" until the debate has played out. Bigger digger (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hold it, it's clear from the discussion that consensus is against this; only 3 editors have supported it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 00:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hold it, it's clear from the discussion that there is no policy reason to prevent this from going ahead. Chzz ► 12:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not, Chzz. There may not be a specific policy, but there is ~~massive consensus against~~ clearly no consensus for promoting it, and you are violating that by putting {{DYKtick}} here. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by blindly following policies. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damian Sims

... that it took Damian Sims' uncle, Korey Banks, presenting a tape to the BC Lions for a team to sign him a year after his college career ended?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Design A-150 battleship

... that Japan's Design A-150 battleship was to have carried the largest naval artillery ever fitted to a warship?

5x expanded by The ed17 (talk). Self nom at 21:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How are you calculating a x5 expansion? This is not even a x1 expansion - expanded from about 3,500 bytes to 4,500. Gatoclass (talk) 05:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe he is calculating based on this edit. Either he is unaware of F2 (although I've often seen his username here), or he is aware that the consensus for F2 isn't as predictable as it used to be. Art LaPella (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Art is right on the latter part (I am aware of F2). I wouldn't have nommed it if I thought it wasn't 5x; much of the information that I removed in that edit was just plain wrong. (I think I did the same thing—removing the unreferenced stuff—with Design B-65 cruiser but didn't nom it because, although most of it was not referenced, it was correct). If this dosen't suffice, no big deal. :) —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 21:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Ed, but we can't make allowance for the removal of material just on the basis that it was uncited or incorrect, that would mean a major change to the rules, one that I think would be unlikely to gain consensus. Gatoclass (talk) 07:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Elliott

... that American journalist Andrea Elliott received the 2007 Pulitzer Prize for Feature Writing for a series of articles on an Egyptian-born imam living in Brooklyn?

Created by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Lawson (actress)

... that actress Mary Lawson married F. W. L. C. Beaumont, son of the Dame of Sark, and they died together in 1941 during the Liverpool Blitz?

Created by David Straub (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Electrolux addisoni

... that Electrolux addisoni was named after the Electrolux brand of vacuum cleaner and was voted as the number one newly described species of 2007?

5x expanded by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

3453/1387 = 2.5x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 00:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've included everything that is known unless I use this! I was under the impression that the 5x was a little leniant. Smartse (talk) 11:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - A little lenient sometimes, more so in the past, but not a lot lenient even then. I can't remember the last 2.5x that was approved. Art LaPella (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Cheers anyway - I'll try harder in the future! Smartse (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Blacketer controversy

... that the Sam Blacketer controversy is an ongoing scandal regarding the use of multiple Wikipedia accounts by a former Arbitration Committee member, Sam Blacketer?

Created by OpenSeven (talk). Self nom at 13:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the article is currently at AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Blacketer controversy). Smartse (talk) 16:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably too controversial to fail right away (!), but the article and hook are clearly ill-fitted for this forum. For one, they "focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals". Punkmorten (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD, negativity of article and hook make this a no unless it's kept and becomes massively more positive.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pirate Party

... that the Pirate Party (logo pictured) got 7.1% of the Swedish vote in the 2009 European Parliament elections and won a seat in the European parliament, two if the Lisbon Treaty goes into effect?

5x expanded by Lejman (talk). Nominated by U5K0 (talk) at 12:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article has barely been expanded in the last five days. Smartse (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article has not been expanded 5x, or at all. The only edit by Lejman was this. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tăng Tuyết Minh

... that Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh was secretly married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh?

Created by Kauffner (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The marriage was hardly a secret. They were married in public with many witnesses. DHN (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for an alternative: ... that Ho Chi Minh's marriage to Tang Tuyet Minh has never been acknowledged by the government of Vietnam? Ironholds (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vegard Sletten

... that Vegard Sletten, editor of Verdens Gang in his later life, saw his liberation from Berg concentration camp on his birthday?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to SNL, Sletten was detained in Grini concentration camp until the end of WWII. It's probably just an inaccuracy, but would you mind double-checking your offline source? decltype (talk) 23:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Offline reference verifies hook. decltype (talk) 09:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Fortescue

... that Sir William Fortescue was prompted to become a barrister by the death of his wife? Ironholds (talk) 06:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. AGF on the database ref. — Jake Wartenberg 17:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 7

Royal Norwegian Society of Sciences and Letters

... that at its establishment in 1760, the Royal Norwegian Society of Sciences and Letters was the northernmost learned society in the world?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 17:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Valley Entertainment

... that record label Valley Entertainment has claimed being blacklisted by the George W. Bush administration for releasing Lullabies from the Axis of Evil ?

I have often removed a presumably accidental space before the question mark according to I8, but " ?" must have been deliberate. On my monitor, that combination removes the top of the "l" in "Evil", making it look like a dotless "i". Art LaPella (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: adding my comment somehow fixed the "l", but who knows what will happen on the Main Page? Art LaPella (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that Valley Entertainment acquired in 2001 the prestigious back catalogue of ambient music from Hearts of Space?

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Novus Magnificat

... that Constance Demby's 1986 album Novus Magnificat helped build the reputation of Stephen Hill's Hearts of Space Records?

ALT1:... that Constance Demby's 1986 album Novus Magnificat was called "possibly new-age music's ultimate masterpiece" by music historian Piero Scaruffi?

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Upper Pine Bottom State Park

... that Upper Pine Bottom Run in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania was home to an iron furnace and sawmills in the 19th century, but today is home to state forest land and the 5-acre (2.0 ha) Upper Pine Bottom State Park (pictured)?

5x expanded by Dincher (talk), Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great work as always. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 21:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Award

... that the late Senator John Heinz had the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, named in his honor?

ALT1:... that the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, was named in honor of the late Senator John Heinz?

Created by Sophus Bie (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Kruse (mailman)

... that Tom Kruse was appointed Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) for his work in the Australian outback?

Created by Sterry2607 (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 05:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strictly, one is appointed Member of the Order of the British Empire, not awarded an MBE. David Underdown (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did a quick Wiki search on "MBE" and found that some articles use "awarded", while others use "appointed". Tom Kruse and its hook ref use "awarded". If "appointed" is the correct term then the hook and the article can be adjusted. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's often written wrongly (used to do so myself until the error of my ways was pointed out, and I was convinced that even if everyone else gets it wrong, we should try to get it right). See for example the BBC news style guide http://www.bbctraining.com/onlineCourse.asp?tID=5487&cat=0 (click on the button labelled "Open guide 1" for the pdf, and then search on empire). David Underdown (talk) 13:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've adjusted the hook to reflect the updated article. Thank you David for correcting us. --Bruce1ee^talk 14:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MissingNo.

... that the Pokémon video game glitch MissingNo. increases the quantity of the player's sixth item to 128?

Created by Kung Fu Man (talk). Nominated by MelicansMatkin (talk) at 03:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the Pokémon video game glitch MissingNo. occurs as a result of buffer data containing the player's name not being cleared? MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond Fontaine

... that during the offseason Canadian football linebacker Raymond Fontaine (pictured), works as a roughneck in the Alberta oil fields?

ALT1:... that Canadian football linebacker Raymond Fontaine (pictured), played junior football with Jesse Palmer and Pat Woodcock?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and references for both hooks verified. The first hook is a lot more interesting in my opinion. Strikehold (talk) 08:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Manning–Kamna Farm

... that the Manning–Kamna Farm (barn pictured) near Hillsboro, Oregon, has ten buildings that were included in the National Register of Historic Places, including a privy?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is cited with inline reference, nice job! Only reservation is would this make an April Fools DYK (in 2008 there was one about outhouses in a state park listed on the NRHP) Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Though it would make a good April Fool's hook, I think its just too far away. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Varpas

... that Tautiška giesmė, a poem by Vincas Kudirka written to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Varpas newspaper, became the Lithuanian national anthem?

5x expanded by Renata3 (talk). Self nom at 04:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- The article hasn't been expanded at all in the last 5 days. Smartse (talk) 15:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You must have looked at the wrong article; this has been expanded from 450 characters to over 6,000. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure this is a reliable source. Do any of the other sources you have confirm this information? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That source actually is sponsored by UNESCO and operated by Institute of Lithuanian Scientific Society (under umbrella of Lithuanian Scientific Society). M.K. (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
More info. It is reliable, compiled and edited by scientific society & sponsored by UNESCO. Renata (talk) 17:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I guess it is RS then. Thanks for the clarification. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Walk on Faith

... that Mike Reid, a former linebacker for the Cincinnati Bengals, wrote hit singles for Ronnie Milsap before topping the country charts with his solo debut single "Walk on Faith"?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and reference verified, but there is no need to try to cram too many facts into the hook. It could be trimmed to something along the lines of
ALT1: ... that Mike Reid was a linebacker for the Cincinnati Bengals before becoming a country music singer and releasing the single "Walk on Faith"?
ALT2: ... that "Walk on Faith" is the first single by former American football player Mike Reid? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1 is fine. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 18:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Village Diner

... that the Village Diner (pictured) in Red Hook was the first diner in New York to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places?

ALT1:... that the Village Diner (pictured) in Red Hook, New York, was originally called the "Halfway Diner" because it was midway between New York and Albany on US 9?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Downes

... that Irish journalist Richard Downes secretly entered Zimbabwe disguised as a tourist to film an undercover report for the BBC's Newsnight during the 2008 Zimbabwean presidential election? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 01:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Mary Wilson (broadcaster)

... that "one of Ireland's leading journalists", Mary Wilson, described Carl Bernstein's biography of Hillary Rodham Clinton (pictured) as "a complete picture of the woman who would be president"? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 01:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Otto Nielsen

... that Otto Nielsen played an important role behind the Norwegian cultural scene, as a program editor of the radio magazine Søndagsposten for more than twenty years?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign language and offline hook accepted in good faith. Ironholds (talk) 23:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pauline Rita

... that Pauline Rita played three roles in Gilbert and Sullivan operas in London, and starred in other operettas for Richard D'Oyly Carte, but left his company in 1878 never to return?

5x expanded by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 19:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght and date ok. I see one of the article's claims are questioned in embedded cmts. Can this be resolved pls. Hook verified, though its a little underwhelming. Otherwise, the article is v good. Ceoil (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many claims are backed by articles which have not been titled. Can you provide. Ceoil (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm afraid those newspapers and journals did not title reviews in those days. Sometimes there would be a heading like "Theatres" or "At the Savoy", but Tim always puts complete information there when it's available, so there was no title. Feel free to alter the hook if you like a different aspect of the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thrill the World

... that Thrill the World is an international event in which participants (one pictured) simultaneously emulate the zombie dance from the music video of Michael Jackson's "Thriller"?

Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 17:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check. — Jake Wartenberg 17:34, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church of St. Polyeuctus

... that the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus in Constantinople (remains pictured) was deliberately planned to imitate the Temple of Solomon?

ALT1:... that the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus (remains pictured) was the largest church in Constantinople before the reconstruction of the Hagia Sophia by Justinian I?
ALT2:... that the Pilastri Acritani columns (pictured), placed at the south portal of St Mark's Basilica in Venice, were looted from the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus in Constantinople?

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 17:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agricultural Museum (periodical)

... that the Agricultural Museum is the first agricultural periodical in America?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline ref accepted in good faith, excellent article - was this an attempt to counter my comment yesterday about a DYK having "the most cites for one hook I've ever seen"? :P. Ironholds (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep! AND thanks for comliment on article.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George Chesworth

... that George Chesworth was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for sorties against the Chinese in the Korean War?

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pass - hook and references are fine, just scrapes across the prose requirements. I made a tweak or two myself. Ironholds (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mormyrinae

... that the brains of Mormyrinae, a subfamily of African freshwater fish, use 60% of their body's energy, 3X more than humans, the animal with the next highest percentage?

5x expanded by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice hook - one problem however is that the source cited for the 60% energy use is only referring to Gnathonemus petersii and not all of the Mormyrinae. Smartse (talk) 15:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The researcher, Göran Nilsson, used Gnathonemus petersii since this is breed for fish keeping outside Africa and so easily available where the research was done (Sweden). His findings however identified the cause of the large brain energy consumption as due to the large size of its brain (notably its gigantocerebellum) relative to its body. This large brain relative to body size is a general trait of this subfamily of fish (I provide a reference) and so is not a peculiarity of the particular fish species that was studied. Why the large brain relative to body size causes the extremely high brain to body energy consumption is explained in Nilsson's paper cited and is summarized in the article.--LittleHow (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough then, seems like a reasonable explanation. Smartse (talk) 00:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Strange (English politician)

... that Sir John Strange trained at the same set of chambers as Lord Hardwicke, who later made him Master of the Rolls? Ironholds (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holt-Bragg Bridge

... that the Holt-Bragg Bridge will be named after the family who perished when the previous bridge collapsed during the June 2007 Hunter Region and Central Coast storms? .....Todd^#661 12:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pass - good, if slightly sad, article. Ironholds (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Honewort

... that Honewort, growing in the Avon Gorge near Bristol, was one of the first rare plants to be documented in Britain, by William Turner in 1562?

Created by SP-KP (talk). Self nom at 09:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Velocette MAC (WD)

... that the British Velocette MAC (WD) 350cc single was Velocette’s first military motorcycle for World War Two?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 08:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Blavet

... that in the Battle of Blavet in 1625 a French Huguenot fleet under Soubise (pictured) captured a Royal fleet belonging to Louis XIII, thus triggering the Second Huguenot rebellion?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation Park, Delhi

... that by quirk of circumstances, the statue opposite to the obelisk is that of King George V (pictured), Emperor of India who presided here, in the Delhi Durbar held at Coronation Park, Delhi in 1911?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1) This hook is quite a jumble, I could barely understand what it was trying to say. 2) What's so "quirky" about the fact that the king statue is opposite the obelisk? Maybe there's some historical irony there or something, but it's certainly not something I am aware of, and the hook doesn't provide any clues. 3) I presume "King George V" should be piped to George V of the United Kingdom? King George V is a disambiguation page. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Statue of King George V was earlier located under a canopy infront of India Gate during British rule and after India's independence it was removed, like many other statues of Britsh Monarchs and officials to this desolate park where the three Durbars had been held in the past. The quirky part is that the statue is located opposite to the Obelsik, which was erected at the very spot where King George V had held his Durbar in 1911. I would appreciate if you could reword the hook.Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that just isn't really making me excited about Coronation Park. This is a big article, surely there's something else in there that would make a good hook? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I am suggesting the following three Alternate Hooks (but in the count, the characters of 'that' , 'Pictured' and also part of dismabguation word has been excluded). I hope all hooks are within limit of 200ch.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 1}---that the Durbar held by King George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park, Delhi was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi which had glorious past history.

Alt 2} ---that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, King George V (pictured) declared that Capital of India would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi

Alt 3 }--- that in the Durbar held in 1911 by King George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900000 pounds

May I suggest this hook: "... that the Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India; has now, become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" --Deepak D'Souza 13:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that all hooks have issues with punctuation, format and even grammar. The first alt, I'm guessing, should read: "... that the Durbar held by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi's past history?" (I tuned it a bit, squeezed in more necessary links, and fixed the subjective and peacocky assertion of "glorious history"). The second: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, Emperor of India George V (pictured) declared that the British Raj's capital would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi?" (that's were the links should lead). The third: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900,000 pounds?" And lastly: "... that Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India, has now become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" (corrected the messy punctuation). Though it would be simpler and better-looking to just say: "... that Delhi's Coronation Park, where three British Emperors of India were crowned, has become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" Dahn (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions. While the tweaked and bolded alternative hooks suggested by User:Dahn are fine with me, the last preferred suggested has an issue since only British Monarch (King George V) held the Durbar in 1911 while the previous two Durbars were presided by then Governor Generals of India. I hope User:Rjanag likes any one of the three suggested now.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(out) References and expansion check out, but I am only verifying this conditionally for now: the article is still sorely in need of a copyedit, mainly to correct improper capitalization and awkward English. Please find an editor willing to do a full copyedit. I know normally we do not need to require DYKs to be "mini-GAs", but if the problems are serious enough I do like to require a full copyedit before promoting. Also, I should mention that the article is pretty disorganized and confusing (it took me 10 minutes of searching just to find explicit mention of what the Durbar was for and that it celebrated the shifting of the capital...also, there seem to be multiple Durbars that took place throughout history, and you don't distinguish well between them, so it's difficult to always know which one you're talking about); the History section seems to jump around the timeline, and in particular the first paragraph of it is more analysis than history. That is not a problem for DYK, but in the future I strongly recomment that you work on cleaning up the organization of the article and making it flow more coherently.
Because so many similar hooks have been proposed, and all have needed to be copyedited, I am going to choose right now which hook to use, and what form it should be in:

FINAL: ... that Delhi's Coronation Park was the site of the 1911 Durbar that marked the shifting of the capital of India from Calcutta to Delhi?

Finally, I believe Ekabhishek also deserves some credit for the work he did on the article just before your main expansion, and have added him to the credits. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~That final suggestion links "Delhi" twice (WP:OVERLINK). Might I suggest delinking the second, or dropping it altogether (i.e.: "from Calcutta -full stop")?~~ Fixed. Dahn (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops; I thought I had delinked the second, guess I missed it. I decided not to drop it because, when dropped, it's not quite clear where the capital was shifted to (you can assume Delhi, but you can't be sure). I couldn't think of any better rewording that avoids saying Delhi twice. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. And I should add that I fully agree with your comments on the article. Dahn (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 6

1920 Georgian coup attempt

... that in 1920 Bolsheviks attempted to stage a coup d'etat in Georgia?

Created by Kober (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 11:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Motorcycle training

A motor officer on the Royal Mile, Edinburgh, Scotland

... motor officers, police jargon for motorcycle officers, go through weeks of Motorcycle training where they can expect to "drop" or crash their bikes dozens, and even hundreds of times?

ALT1:... US servicemembers who ride motorcycles have been getting Motorcycle training in sportbike riding after increases in off-duty accidents?
Comment: The image at the top of the article, File:Army National Guard motorcycle riders.jpg, and its caption, goes better with the alt hook.

5x expanded by Dbratland (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brett Swenson

... that Brett Swenson of Michigan State, one of college football's top placekickers, was passed over for the 2008 Lou Groza Award after missing three consecutive field goals against Michigan?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2006 MPC Computers Bowl

... that after being fired by the University of Miami, head football coach Larry Coker stayed on for one final game, the 2006 MPC Computers Bowl?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Papal selection before 1059

... that Fabian was selected as pope because a dove landed on him?

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kája Saudek

... that the painter and illustrator Kája Saudek is one of the most important exponents of Czech comics?

Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 08:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herman "Wimpy" Jones

... that during the 1950s, Louisiana State Senator Herman "Wimpy" Jones advocated voting by eighteen-year-olds long before ratification of the 26th Amendment? status=new

Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Bass

... that in 1984, Fort Worth billionaire Ed Bass committed $30 million to (and eventually spent over $150 million on) Biosphere 2, to experiment with "recreating the earth" and potentially settling Mars?

5x expanded by Frank (talk). Nominated by Moonriddengirl (talk) at 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I discussed this with Moonriddengirl here and am therefore putting her as nominator for coming up with the original hook. Frank | talk 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Codex Alexandrinus

... an important manuscript of Greek Bible of unknown provenance?

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article had 16k of prose before, and now has 21k. The prose hasn't been expanded 5x, and it looks unlikely to happen. Try for Good Article instead. Shubinator (talk) 22:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spherical wedge

... that a spherical wedge (pictured) is a portion of a ball bounded by two plane semidisks and a spherical lune?

Created/expanded by Anonymous Dissident (talk). Self nom at 16:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This confuses 2 dimensions with 3 dimensions. The sphere article states: "In higher mathematics, a careful distinction is made between the surface of a sphere (referred to as a “sphere”), and the inside of a sphere (referred to as a “ball”)." So if a spherical wedge is a 3-dimensional object shaped like a section of an orange, it should be "... a portion of a ball bounded by two plane semi-disks and a spherical lune?" Or if you meant a 2-dimensional object shaped like the part of an orange peel that borders one section of the orange, then that would be the same as what is described at lune (mathematics)#Spherical geometry. Art LaPella (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a fair enough catch. The only problem is that my sources seem to use the terms "semicircle" and "semidisk" and "sphere" and "ball" interchangeably – but they're otherwise reliable and trustworthy. What is your suggestion? —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 01:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem has been rectified with the addition of "note A". What do you think, Art? —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 11:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the hook still doesn't match the first sentence. If the reason to confuse 2 dimensions with 3 is to follow the source, then should we use a different source like [1] or [2] that doesn't confuse that issue? I don't usually do references, but this Google Books search shows a long list of them. Art LaPella (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are as good as any. It's funny, because I can't find a single source mentioning "ball" or "semidisk". All of them mention "sphere" and "semicircle". What you're saying makes sense, but are you actually quite sure you're right here, Art LaPella? —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 10:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure a math major would flounder trying to imagine what the hook is describing. I'm not sure it's OK to get my sources from Google Books because all of them I found are from the early 20th century, presumably because of copyright. But most of them describe the sides of the wedge as "planes" not "circles", and call the wedge a "solid" to get away from the 2-dimensional meaning of "sphere". Art LaPella (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

None of the GBooks refs I could find mention it. I don't think this is a problem. It's relatively clear that, in non-rigorous contexts, they're largely interchangeable, so using the sources should be fine. They agree with everything else in the article anyway. The hook is fixed. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

L.D. Knox

... that in 1979 L.D. Knox of Winnsboro, Louisiana, had his name legally changed to "None of the Above" Knox to dramatize the lack of voter choices on the ballot?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which ballot? Punkmorten (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

E.D. Gleason

... that E.D. Gleason, a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives during the 1950s proposed a one-cent state sales tax earmarked for public school teacher salaries?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makinti Napanangka

... that when Kintore Indigenous Australian artist Makinti Napanangka won the National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Art Award in 2008, she was too frail to attend the ceremony?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 12:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Virgin of the Navigators

... that The Virgin of the Navigators (pictured) is the earliest known painting about the discovery of the Americas?

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 09:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel Woodland

... that Hotel Woodland was designed by William Henry Weeks, a prominent architect, and was his 14th and last major work in Woodland, California?

Created by Killiondude (talk). Self nom at 08:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, length OK, hook ref a book AGF. Other material looks sound. cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 05:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church

... that St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church (pictured) in Red Hook, New York, converted to Lutheranism from the German Reformed Church when they could not find a new pastor?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polestar Racing

File:Robert Dahlgren WTCC.jpg

... that while experts expected ethanol cars to underperform their petrol counterparts, Polestar Racing’s E85-powered S60 won the first two races of the 2007 Swedish Touring Car Championship?

Created by NoCal100 (talk). Self nom at 02:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 15:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo Jaeger

... that Hugo Jaeger's personal collection of photographs includes colour shots of Adolf Hitler (pictured) on a cruise in 1939 and of the Nazi leader attending a Christmas party in 1941? (new article, self-nom) --can dle •wicke 00:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll pass this. Although the supplied reference doesnt' actually describe these particular photos as "colour", the photos themselves can be seen in the Time-Life gallery. Gatoclass (talk) 01:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need a picture of Hitler here? "Everyone" knows what he looks like. Furthermore it seems strange to mention colour photos and then sport a black-white photo. Punkmorten (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rachael English

... that Rachael English was involved in an on-air disagreement over the spelling and meaning of the word "homogeneity" when she presented Five Seven Live? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

The Renegades

... that Patrick Swayze was the star of the first and only season of the 1982 TV show The Renegades?

5x expanded by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 22:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barney M. Giles

... that, in September 1945, Lieutenant General Barney M. Giles piloted one of three B-29 Superfortresses that were the first to fly nonstop from Japan to the United States?

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, brilliant article :). Ironholds (talk) 13:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chelsea Bridge

... that Chelsea Bridge was little used at night when it first opened, because of its owners' policy of only turning the lighting on if Queen Victoria was spending the night in London?

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes on both counts (size and reference). Bloody fantastic rewrite, mate. Ironholds (talk) 22:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I aim to please… Only 14 more to go in this series. – iridescent 22:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gumarcaj

... that Gumarcaj, in Guatemala, is archaeologically and ethnohistorically the best known of the Late Postclassic highland Maya capitals?

5x expanded by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Holy complex hook, batman! Offline ref accepted in good faith, excellent work. Ironholds (talk) 22:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Simon Burchell (talk) 22:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the Road Again (Bob Dylan song)

... that Bob Dylan's song "On the Road Again" previews the grotesque characters that would feature in Dylan's later songs?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline ref accepted in good faith, excellent article. Ironholds (talk) 22:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hugh Llewellyn Glyn Hughes

... that Brigadier Glyn Hughes, the officer who liberated Belsen concentration camp, once labelled rugby player John Taylor a Communist for opposing apartheid?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, good article. Ironholds (talk) 22:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Clarke (jurist)

... that Sir Thomas Clarke was only offered the position of Master of the Rolls after William Murray turned it down? Ironholds (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, length OK, hook ref subscription / offline only accepted in good faith. Good little historical bio. hamiltonstone (talk) 06:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of festivals in Nepal

... that during the Tihar festival in Nepal, cows are celebrated due to the Hindu belief that they are surrogate mothers to the human race by providing milk?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, but I worry that the hook doesn't really reflect the article itself. Can anyone more experienced than myself comment on whether this is normally appropriate? Ironholds (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odd question. The article is about a diversity of festivals celebrated in Nepal. Each festival is different so I don't know what you mean about not reflecting the article. It is a fact from a festival which is covered in the article. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Csaba Balogh

... that chess player Csaba Balogh has been called "promising" and one of "most perspective" of a couple of "outstanding" Hungarian juniors?

Created by Mm40 (talk). Self nom at 15:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you exclude the long chess notations, the article is less than 1000 characters. Also, the hook is not very special; lots of people get called special names by the media. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 16:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, "most perspective" doesn't make sense in English. It's what the reference says, but it means something like "(one of the) best prospects". The entire reference article has a similarly foreign sound to it. Using the reference is fine, but we can't quote a phrase that doesn't make sense on the Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 23:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Might I add: the link for " Hungarian juniors" is to Hungarian people, but I sincerely doubt that the quote would refer to people of a certain ethnicity. It most likely refers to citizens of Hungary, and as such should be "Hungarian". Dahn (talk) 15:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Verne Meisner

... that Verne Meisner and his son Steve were the first polka music artists to win the Wisconsin Area Music Industry award?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 13:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ref works, length works, hook works. I think you may have misspelt the award in the article itself, though, because it appears as a redlink. Ironholds (talk) 22:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that error! I fixed it. Royalbroil 11:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Velocette Venom

... that in 1961 a British Velocette Venom motorcycle set the 24-hour world record at a speed of 100.05 mph which has never been equalled since?

5x expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline ref accepted in good faith, scrapes past 5-fold expansion. Nice article! :). Ironholds (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hockenhull Platts

... that Hockenhull Platts, three bridges on a medieval road in Cheshire, England, (middle bridge pictured), were crossed in 1353 by the Black Prince, in 1698 by Celia Fiennes, and in 1780 by Thomas Pennant?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 12:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pass. The lady-figure makes me think of Ralph, for some reason, can't think why :P. Ironholds (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ss. Michael and Gabriel Church, Satu Mare

... that the library of Ss. Michael and Gabriel Church in Satu Mare, Romania has one of the oldest books in the country, the Cazania lui Varlaam written in 1693?

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the Cazania lui Varlaam link leads nowhere, it was created as a redirect to a locality for some mysterious purpose, and it should probably not be an article on its own. Also, book titles are rendered in italics. What's more, "one of the oldest books in the country" is an ambiguity or absurdity, and it is not itself a fact verified by the source. Romania hosts very old books, including a 9th century Codex Aureus. While it is not an autochtonous product, it is quite clearly much older than the Varlaam homily. Books have been written in what is now Romania (but, nb, not in Romanian) from the high middle ages (in Transylvania) and from the Renaissance period elsewhere, and print was adopted within a century of its invention - i.e. more than 100 years before Varlaam. Even books in Romanian (which is clearly not what the hook refers to) had been in print for several decades before Varlaaam's homily. The hook in this form is therefore unsustainable. What's more, while Varlaam's book is a valuable collector's item, its presence in a book collection is probably not interesting in itself.

Without doing the job of referencing this article (which, before I edited it, even failed to specify what denomination the church belongs to), I note that an alternative hook can be drawn from the fact that this was one of the churches restored into Greek-Catholic possession after they were assigned to the Orthodox Church. This is however only alluded to in the source used for the text, and, although factual, would require a second source stating the circumstances of this. It did receive coverage in the press (and extra exposure for being the location of street battles between the two communities), so this shouldn't be hard to pick up if someone is more interested.

And, btw, the church is not a mere church, it is a cathedral, and one may wish to change the title accordingly. Dahn (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also note the distinct and intuitive possibility that all those objects are no longer part of the cathedral collection: since they are Orthodox items and transferred during the period of Orthodox administration, it may be entirely possible that they have been moved out of the building after the Greek Catholics won it back in court. The article as is only uses one source (by all means an imperfect one - it is non-academic and rather generic, itself glossing over some essential issues); that source tells us about the objects, but it may be reliant on very old info. Dahn (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Soy Así (song)

... that the song "Soy Así" performed by Mexican singer José José became his second number-one hit in the Billboard Hot Latin Songs chart?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 01:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the song "Soy Así" was recorded by Mexican singer José José during a personal crisis that included a divorce and a change of management? Jaespinoza (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
pass - I quite like the alt-hook, a bit more interesting than "it was his second number 1". Ironholds (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nicobar Bulbul

... that although threatened by habitat destruction, it is unclear whether the endangered Nicobar Bulbul was impacted by the Red-whiskered Bulbul or the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami?

5x expanded by Dysmorodrepanis (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 01:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find a general reference for the statement as a whole, and in fact the article appears to say that the tsunami did not, as far as we know, impact on the population. Ironholds (talk) 22:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, put this on hold pls, there is a major issue w/taxonomy. We need to find out first what the correct scientific name is, and the result would affect about 15 articles O_o

The tsunami issue -- the sources show pictorial evidence that indicates BLI means "absence of evidence" rather than "evidence of absence". There are a few studies out they have not cited methinks. not prime quality sources (these take about 1-3 years to write & publish). For example, what about the two islands which were broken to pieces? Do we have any survey reports on the flora and fauna? There are some for the Nicobar Megapode specifically, and annotations might be therein. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 22:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that although threatened by habitat destruction, the endangered Nicobar Bulbul does not appear to have been impacted by the Red-whiskered Bulbul or the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami?

Erg, my wording was too vague as evidence suggests (i.e. nt confirms) both other factors mentioned have not impacted. This was tricky to write a DYK for, I just thought the idea of contrasting a bulbul and a tsunami as factors in the one sentence was intriguing. There are separate refs, but not one covering the lot. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second hook is fine, and I appreciate the difficulties involved in writing a hook for articles you didn't mould yourself :). You keep spotting the new gems, I'll keep tagging them and everyone will be happy! Ironholds (talk) 22:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Put this on hold pls, there is a major issue w/taxonomy. We need to find out first what the correct scientific name is, and the result would affect about 15 articles O_o

The tsunami issue -- I have seen Nicobar Megapode post-tsunami lookups, and annotations might be therein. These are not prime (scholarly non peer-reviewed) sources, but neither is BLI, and BLI has nothing specifically.

As regards "not affected" - pre-introduction reports in Sankaran contrasted with BLI show that the species had been affected. It was common as finches around 1900, and today is rather rare. The point of BLI is that today, the most serious factor pushing it towards extinction (from which it is a good distance away still however, but so are polar bears) is land use change-associated habitat destruction. In the early 20th century, the Red-whiskered was probably (check source on settlement history of islands) the bigger problem. On December 26th/27th 2004 -- but probably not for long afterwards -- the tsunami was the species' biggest problem.

"... that although it is a threatened species nowadays, the Nicobar Bulbul does not appear to be much impacted by the introduced Red-whiskered Bulbul or the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami? Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the alt hook given by casliber is fine. Any queries with taxonomy are content issues not applicable to DYK. Ironholds (talk) 23:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As regards taxonomy, I have checked the literature (or rather ascertained the lack of literature) and it can remain as it is now. (FWIW, this species might become Ixos nicobariensis eventually. But not now.)

"Endangered" is a specific threat category, and the species is "Vulnerable" not "Endangered", so "threatened" (the general term) is the one to use.

As regards the tsunami, I have found a source which indicates the species has neither increased nor decreased on Camorta between 1991 and 2007, so we're clear here.

As regards the RWB (a known invasive species), you're confusing absence of evidence and evidence of absence; see the "Conservation measures proposed" section in BLI factsheet. For DYK purposes, the question of the historical impact of the RWB vs deforestation is irrelevant however; it is sufficient that at present there is evidence of the absence of a pronounced impact of either RWB and tsunami.

So the necessary changes are:

past tense -> present tense
"Endangered" -> "Vulnerable" or "threatened" Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 5

Indonesian legislative election, 2004

... that the proportional seat allocation system used in the 2004 Indonesian legislative election was viewed as "the most difficult in the world"?

5x expanded by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would "most complicated" be a better way of putting it? "Most difficult" sounds awkward...difficult to what? Also, saying "was viewed" in the hook seems somewhat weasely...and the fact that all the references for this fact are from Indonesian newspapers makes it questionable (not that it's something to brag about...but really, if it's the most X in the world, other sources should have noted that as well). Finally, ref #20 is missing an original url. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction. By using "complicated" as opposed to "difficult", I've been able to find more reliable sources. I would like to revise the hook. Arsonal (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that as the world's third largest democracy, Indonesia's 2004 legislative election was the most complicated in the world?

I don't think that's an improvement. Maybe the seat allocation system was the most complicated, but there are many other ways an election can be complicated...such as the number of candidates, or the number of languages used (if you used that as the metric, Papua New Guinea would take the cake at every election). The hook needs to be a bit more specific. Controversy can also be a complicating factor; the 2000 presidential elections in the USA got pretty darn complicated too. We need to be more specific as to just what about the election was so complicated. Also, there is still the problem that, as far as I can tell, the only sources calling it the "most complicated in the history of democracy" are Indonesian newspapers. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights in Estonia

... that human rights in Estonia are well respected, but controversies still surround the Bronze Night incident of April 2007?

5x expanded by (primarily) users Offliner Peltimikko, Vecrumba and Martintg. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clancee Pearce

... that Fremantle Football Club defender Clancee Pearce is only the fourth player of Indian heritage to play in the Australian Football League?

Created by The-Pope (talk). Self nom at 13:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herman Fishman

... that University of Michigan pitcher Herman Fishman set a Big Ten record in 1936 with a 0.86 ERA and was named to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency's Jewish All-American baseketball team?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 20:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J. Frank Colbert

... that the Louisiana politician J. Frank Colbert was active during the 1920s and 1930s in Henry George's "Single Tax" Utopian movement?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

C.W. Thompson

... that when the Louisiana State Representative C.W. Thompson died in office in 1951, then Governor Earl K. Long appointed Lizzie P. Thompson, to finish her husband's term?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OR ... that Louisiana State Representative C.W. Thompson, who served from 1944 to 1951, was a former president of the Webster Parish School Board and the Louisiana School Boards Association?

Sebastian Petrycy

... that Sebastian Petrycy (1554–1626), in Poland, created a vernacular philosophical terminology not much later than did philosophers in France and Germany?

Created by Nihil novi (talk). Self nom at 02:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from June 7, date and length verified, Polish reference. 59.101.242.95 (talk) 06:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Krystyna Dańko

... that the Polish Righteous Krystyna Dańko saved the life of a Jewish girl by "smuggling" her to Warsaw before the deportation of Otwock Jews (pictured) to the death camp in Treblinka?

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 03:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The photo doesn't show much at low resolution, and isn't a photo of the article subject anyway. I doubt it can be used. Also, as a side note, the hook is a bit long. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure what you mean. The length of the hook is well within guidelines at around 178 characters. And, the clandestine photograph of historic value is the only visual record in existence of Otwock deportations. It might not be colorful, but it conveys a message. --Poeticbent talk 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say the photo was bad, just that it's not very useful for a DYK hook. It's still fine to have in the article.

As for the hook, yes, now that I look at it it is under the 200-character absolute limit. I guess it just subjectively looked long to me—regardless of the character count, it is a somewhat complicated mouthful. It could probably be trimmed. `rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anoiapithecus

... that Anoiapithecus is an extinct genus of ape that lived in Spain 12 million years ago?

Created by Venatico (talk). Nominated by Bender235 (talk) at 00:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

646 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 00:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Juggernauts (song)

... that post-hardcore band Enter Shikari's song "Juggernauts" contains a "Mockney spoken section" that has drawn comparisons with The Streets?

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, but there was a previous article in that location that was blanked and turned into a redirect. Taking that into account would take this article out of the race, since it wouldn't pass the five-fold expansion requirement. Anyone more experienced know what we normally do in this sort of circumstance? Ironholds (talk) 22:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Mail Case

... that in 1929, The Royal Mail Steam Packet Company had overreported its profit by around £1 million, as revealed in the Royal Mail Case? Ironholds (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Loyal Arrow

... that the Loyal Arrow NATO exercises in Sweden (8–16 June 2009) are the biggest aerial military exercises ever held in Sweden, involving around 2000 soldiers and 50 jets?

Created by Sander Säde (talk). Self nom at 10:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is incorrect. What the Swedish source says (I read Swedish) is that it's the biggest military aerial exercise ever held in Sweden. There has of course been military exercises with more than 2,000 soldiers held in Sweden before. The hook, and the article, need to make that clear, that's it's the biggest military air exercise, not the biggest military exercise of any kind. Manxruler (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the aerial, my blunder of not adding that while it was present in both sources. Must have been a lack of caffeine. -- Sander Säde 08:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Farinograph

... that a Farinograph can provide bakers with a snapshot of a flour's properties before they even see it?

Created by Kalossoter (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be a lot of unsourced stuff, please fix that.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 02:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Francisco Antonio Zea

... that before the botanist Francisco Antonio Zea ultimately became Vice President of Colombia, he had held other public offices in the Spanish and French Empires?

Created by Mijotoba (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 4

Fahmi al-Husseini

... that while mayor of Gaza, Fahmi al-Husseini was imprisoned by British Mandate authorities on charges of opposing the British presence in Palestine during the 1936 Arab revolt?

Started. Self nom Al Ameer son (talk) 05:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Diane Dietz

... that Diane Dietz set the Big Ten single-game basketball scoring record with 45 points in 1982 and the University of Michigan career record with 2,076 points?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Norman Moldenke

... that Harold Norman Moldenke earned a bachelor's degree from Susquehanna University when he was 20 years old?

Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. Hopefully it suffices.

Created by Artichoke-Boy (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not that unusual. Is there anything else interesting about him? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are also content problems with this article. It relies almost exclusively on a single source, and is borderline plagiarism of it. See WP:Plagiarism or this informative dispatch on plagiarism for more information. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newsjack

... that anyone can write material for the BBC Radio 7 satrical sketch show Newsjack?

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 19:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 15:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All but one of the references are to BBC itself. The one other ref just has cast and crew. Shubinator (talk) 23:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've now added another reference. ISD (talk) 15:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich

... that the Egg McMuffin, Sourdough Bacon, Egg & Swiss, and Croissan’wich with Bacon, Egg & Cheese are variants of the Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich offered by McDonalds, Arby’s, and Burger King respectively?

Created by Jack Merridew (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Currently at AfD but seems to have been rescued and has since been getting some keeps. --can dle •wicke 18:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is somewhat awkwardly written and needs to be cleaned up. I would suggest just dropping the restaurant names and going with

ALT1: ... that the Egg McMuffin; Sourdough Bacon, Egg & Swiss; and Croissan’wich with Bacon, Egg & Cheese are all variants of the Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you've got a {{globalize}} tag. Shubinator (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, yeah, although I think the tag has merit I suspect a recipe with bacon is not going to feature in many parts of the world. I'll see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roger and Out

... that over half of the tracks on country music singer-songwriter Roger Miller's 1964 debut album Roger and Out were less than two minutes in length?

Created by Lost Fugitive (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aquí Estoy Yo

... that the song "Aquí Estoy Yo" by Puerto Rican singer-songwriter Luis Fonsi became his sixth number-one single in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart?

5x expanded by Jaespinoza (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- ALT1: ... that the song "Aquí Estoy Yo" by Luis Fonsi features collaborations by David Bisbal, Aleks Syntek and Noel Schajris?. Jaespinoza (talk) 22:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon of Mordiford

... that according to legend, the Dragon of Mordiford killed everything in its path but a young girl who had nurtured it from infancy?

5x expanded by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Only one source. Also, it's got too much of an in-world tone (phrases like From the time the dragon was killed until 1811). Shubinator (talk) 21:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Bridge, London

... that Albert Bridge in London is seriously structurally unsound in part because of rotting caused by dog's urine?

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality

... that Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality, the doctrine of the Russian Empire in the 1830s–1850s, was also a family motto of its creator? 5x expanded by user:NVO, self nom

quick source: page 133, second paragraph from the bottom

German aircraft carrier I (1942)

... that had she been completed, the German aircraft carrier I would have been the largest German carrier of World War II, longer even than the Graf Zeppelin-class aircraft carriers?

Created by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 11:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Sun (series)

... that after a six-year hiatus, Nintendo announced at E3 2009 that the Golden Sun series would be returning with Golden Sun DS?

Created by Haha169 (talk). Self nom at 04:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 3

Operation Antyk

... that Operation Antyk was the Polish Underground State's anti-communist propaganda departmnet?

Created by Tymek (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 12:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Sher

... that cinematographer Lawrence Sher first developed an interest in photography after his father convinced him to take a 35mm camera on a Teaneck High School-sponsored trip to France?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LatinoJustice PRLDEF

... that the 36-year-old Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund changed its name last year to LatinoJustice PRLDEF partly due to fewer Puerto Ricans being in New York City's Latino population?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 00:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Windsor Locks, Connecticut tornado

... that the Windsor Locks, Connecticut tornado caused more than $400 million in damage, making it the sixth-costliest tornado in US history?

5x expanded by Runningonbrains (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt hook: ... that the Windsor Locks, Connecticut tornado, despite striking without warning and completely destroying more than 50 homes, killed only three people? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 22:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neher-Elseffer House

... that the Neher-Elseffer House (pictured) is one of the few remaining pre-Revolutionary frame houses near Rhinebeck, New York?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erasmo de Sequeira

... that Erasmo de Sequeira rejected Prime Minister Indira Gandhi's offer to make him a Deputy Minister, stating that he wanted her post?

Created by Deepak D'Souza (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks okay but could use a light grammar polish and the bare URL references need to be properly formatted citations. - Dravecky (talk) 16:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations

... that at a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews?

Created by Jalapenos do exist (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're allowed to link the article with "claimed" the way you did. Perhaps an editor more experienced with DYK could point to the relevant guideline? — Jake Wartenberg 23:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean the sporadically enforced WP:EGG. Art LaPella (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about "... that allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations arose at a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, after the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews? Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 00:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. I can also suggest ... that at a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews, a claim cited as an instance of antisemitism in the United Nations? or ... that critics making allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations cite a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, in which the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews? Jalapenos do exist (talk) 03:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mack Supronowicz

... that a New York newspaper called University of Michigan forward Mack "Soup" Supronowicz "the greatest cage prospect in college history"?
- ... that in 1947, University of Michigan basketballer Mack "Soup" Supronowicz was hailed as "the greatest cage prospect in college history"? Stevage 03:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Googling shows that "basketballer" is mostly Australian English, and "Michigan basketball player" out-Googles "Michigan basketballer" by 2590 to 8. Art LaPella (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of aircraft carrier classes of the United States Navy

... that the first two classes of U.S. Navy aircraft carriers were actually converted ships of other types?

5x expanded by Mynameinc (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Meaning of Life (TV series)

1... that Sinéad O'Connor spent "a lovely morning" with Gay Byrne in January 2009?

2... that Neil Jordan had a stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane? (new article, self-nom) --can dle •wicke 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Why such cryptic hooks? Stevage 03:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These are both rather oblique. Otto4711 (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the hooks themselves or is it just a matter of including the TV series. DYK is supposed to attract the reader's attention and leave them hungry for more... --can dle •wicke 02:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK hooks should ideally feature the name of the article's subject. How about this:
Alt hook ... that the television show The Meaning of Life has featured such prominent Irish citizens as Colin Farrell, Maeve Binchy, and Neil Jordan? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 07:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course that just makes it rather boring and non-DYKish... that Neil Jordan spoke of his stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane on The Meaning of Life? --can dle •wicke 10:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like yours a lot better :-D -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 17:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington Huskies softball

... that when the Washington Huskies softball team won the 2009 Women's College World Series, it marked the 22nd time in the 28 World Series that a Pac-10 team was crowned champion?

Created by User:Mike Selinker. Self nom at 04:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luton Town 1–0 Millwall (13 March 1985)

... that a full-scale riot at Luton Town's Kenilworth Road ground on 13 March 1985 caused visiting supporters to be banned from the ground for four seasons?

Created by Cliftonian (talk). Self nom at 09:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Scott (boxer)

... that James Scott became a top contender in the World Boxing Association's light heavyweight division while serving time at Rahway State Prison?

Created by Metropolitan90 (talk). Self nom at 08:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TNA World Tag Team Championship

... that the TNA World Tag Team Championship is supposed to only be meant for tag teams, but two wrestlers have held the championship alone?

5x expanded by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 06:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- It is probably not 5 times expanded, but I can't be sure. Not sure how to check.--WillC 06:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5103/2665=1.9x. Explained at F1 and WP:Did you know/DYKcheck. There is still time to expand it. Art LaPella (talk) 06:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll think of somemore to add. The likeliness of that is very slim, but worth a shot. Thanks for the info.--WillC 06:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tokyo Tokyo

... that Tokyo Tokyo is a Japanese fast food restaurant chain in the Philippines? created by: Maverx (talk) 05:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC), self nom. [reply]

Removed non-free logo – only freely licensed pictures are permitted on the main page. --Bruce1ee^talk 05:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right, sorry slipped my mind. --Maverx (talk) 05:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Wilhite

... that Auburn's director of high school and NFL relations said that cornerback Jonathan Wilhite "could be a stand-up comedian"?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, though the hook is rather trivial, and IMO falls into the did you care? category. Surely there must be another bit of info more relevant to Wilhite himself? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1... that after playing most of his senior season at nickel back, Jonathan Wilhite will return to playing that position in 2009? --Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like the first hook better. There are lots of people who don't know much about American football and don't know what a nickel back is. But if you say that a certain football player is a funny guy, at least that gives them something to latch onto in terms of wanting to read about his personality, whether or not they care what position he plays. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World of Zoo

... that players can earn the ability to hypnotize animals in the upcoming video game World of Zoo?

5x expanded by Mynameinc (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 02:04, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see a lot of close wording in the article compared to the source, for example "focus on keeping the animal happy" and "eventually earning a Magic Moment from the ... animal". Shubinator (talk) 03:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, I have. I think. (Therefore I am.) mynameinc (t|c|p) 12:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still uncomfortable with it. The first paragraph in the "What there is to do" section in the Gamespot ref appears in the article. The wording isn't exactly the same, but you can easily match up the sentences. Shubinator (talk) 22:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the problems aren't solved; no offense, mynameinc, but I think you just don't fully understand the plagiarism guidelines. Simply shuffling words around here and there is not enough to fix plagiarism issues; you may want to read WP:Plagiarism or the very informative WP Signpost dispatch on plagiarism. As for this particular article, I think the only solution for you is to ask an uninvolved editor to come in and rewrite it, and to check each sentence individually to make sure it's not too closely copied from any sources. That may sound a little harsh, but once plagiarism concerns are raised in a certain article then everything has to be checked very thoroughly. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right—I no almost nothing about video games, and have not been editing Wikipedia for a long period of time. I will try to fix the article. The only reason I edited this article was I seen a worthwhile article almost get deleted because the original contributor made an advertisement instead of an article. mynameinc (t|c|p) 23:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I made another attempt to fix the article. It was probably in vain, so I asked for help at WP:VG. mynameinc (t|c|p) 23:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laser Ghost

~~... that there is an arcade game called Laser Ghost based on the movie Ghostbusters?~~

Created by MacMed (talk). Self nom at 00:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that Laser Ghost, a Sega arcade game, was intended to build upon the commercial success of the movie Ghostbusters?

Nouvelles Extraordinaires de Divers Endroits

... that Gazette de Leyde was likely the most important newspaper of the late 18th century Europe, and the only one read by Louis XVI?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Château du Grand Jardin

... that the Château du Grand Jardin (pictured) was built without bedrooms?

Created by Wetman . Self nom at 03:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've tweaked the hook and picture to fit the format. Cheers. I'^mperator 12:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I was the writer, but the way I completed the template didn't have the intended result.--Wetman (talk) 00:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see where the article says the chateau was built without bedrooms. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right! I've made the interior arrangement clearer and added further details and references.--Wetman (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 2

New Super Mario Bros. Wii

... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will feature multiplayer capability for up to four players?

Created by RMThompson (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The link for ref 4 is dead, and a large portion of the article is sourced to that ref. Also, do you have a more interesting hook? I think it's standard for console games to support multiplayer for 4. Shubinator (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this can't be promoted until the references are cleaned up; bare URLs are not acceptable. I used to do the ref cleanup myself for people, but I am not that nice anymore. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up article as well as citations, and here's an alternate hook:
ALT 1: ... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will be the first game for the Wii to allow the game to play on its own while paused? MuZemike 23:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 2: ... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will be the first game in the Super Mario Bros. series to feature multiplayer gameplay? (added source from the Philadelphia Daily News) MuZemike 23:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both those hooks sound somewhat like advertisements; the first ALT can be salvaged just by removing the "first" stuff. The second I think is without hope...also, it's not exactly accurate (I recall some of the games for original nintendo where you could play multiplayer in that weird sewer thing, and also Super Mario 3 had "multiplayer" turn-taking gameplay, so the distinction is more subtle than just being the first or not the first to have multiplayer). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1.1: ... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will have a feature that will allow the game to play on its own while paused? MuZemike 23:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Wood (singer)

... that Barry Wood, Frank Sinatra's predecessor on the radio program Your Hit Parade, was promoted as America's "sweater boy"?

ALT1:... that Barry Wood was Frank Sinatra's predecessor on the radio program Your Hit Parade, and introduced Irving Berlin's song "Any Bonds Today?"?

Created by Arxiloxos (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dublin Women's Mini Marathon

... that Desperate Housewives actress Dana Delany (pictured) watched 40,374 women race through Dublin on 1 June 2009? (expanded, self nom) --can dle •wicke 14:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She's that desperate, huh? Kidding aside, I don't think a hook placing her in the audience at an event involving at least 40,400 people makes for a good DYK. I mean, it could be used for just about anybody else in the attendance who happens to be notable (the article itself casually mentions four others, if I counted right). Is this really the only interesting fact from the article, or was this the only possible hook to come with a picture? Dahn (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy XIV

... that upcoming MMORPG video game Final Fantasy XIV has been in development by Square Enix under the codename Rapture?

Created by Falcon9x5 (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 02:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Lover (film)

... that the 1992 French film The Lover, the first Western film produced in Vietnam, is based on the semi-autobiographical novel by Marguerite Duras?

5x expanded by Collectonian (talk), LiteraryMaven (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... the 1992 French film The Lover was filmed on location in Ho Chi Minh City, except for the explicit sex scenes, which had to be filmed in Paris?

List of CZW World Tag Team Champions

... that the CZW World Tag Team Championship has been won by an individual wrestler once, when it is only supposed to be intended for tag teams?

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Broadcasters of the Philippines

... that the Philippines has a total of 297 television broadcast stations from 173 in 1998?

Created by Maverx (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George Cressey

... that geographer George Cressey was included on a list of suspected communists at the same time that the Communist Party of China included him on a list of its capitalist enemies?

Created by Cool3 (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook should mention that the list of suspected communists was in the US. How about this revised hook? (feel free to amend) --Bruce1ee^talk 11:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that in the 1950s, geographer George Cressey was included on a list of suspected communists in the US at the same time that China included him on its list of capitalist enemies?

ALT1 verified, offline hook ref accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Cellier (actor)

... that actor Frank Cellier toured in Britain, Germany, America and South Africa from 1903 to 1920, appearing only once in London, before beginning a West End career?

5x expanded by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Lipchis Way

File:St. Andrew Singleton.JPG

... that the New Lipchis Way passes an hundredal church (pictured) and an Iron Age hill fort used by clubmen before crossing the Devil's Ditch?

Created by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In U.S. English, if we ever used the unusual word "hundrethal", it would be "a hundrethal". Is "an hundrethal" correct British English? Art LaPella (talk) 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was taught at an English grammar school (state school for the more intelligent) to always use "an" before words beginning with "h", but that was a long time ago. I see from re-reading the text (Advowson section), which is even older, that they used "a hundredal", so I guess either version is technically correct in British english. I may have missread the spelling or I may have got it from a different source such as the church's own guide book. I am changing it to hundredal.--Charles (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've tweaked the hook so that "Iron Age" is capitalised and "hill fort" is linked. Nev1 (talk) 15:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, but the point of DYK is to direct folk to the newer/updated article, so they can contribute. That's why only one thing - the main article - is linked. Presuming that they are linked within the DYK-notable article, I am unlinking them here. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, almost every hook you see here or on the Main Page has such secondary links. Also, the rules including H12 regulate secondary links without prohibiting them. Art LaPella (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quite so. I am replacing the most helpful helpful links.--Charles (talk) 07:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strangers (thirtysomething)

... that half of the regular advertisers for the ABC series thirtysomething pulled out of the episode "Strangers", costing the network some $1.5 million, because it showed two men in bed together? - new article, self-nom, moved to article space today. Otto4711 (talk) 19:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tales of Monkey Island

... that despite breaking off from LucasArts after differences in development direction in 2004, Telltale Games is collaborating with LucasArts to create a new series of adventure games?

ALT1:... that although Telltale Games was formed after LucasArts abandoned adventure game development in 2004, the two companies are now collaborating to create a new series of adventure games?
Comment: I've not done any of these before; I imagine the wording could be improved, but the gist of it is there.

Created by S@bre (talk). Self nom at 15:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Motor theory of speech perception

... that the motor theory of speech perception proposes we do not hear speech in terms of acoustic sound but the movements of the lips, tongue, and other parts of the vocal tract by which they are made?

ALT1:... that the motor theory of speech perception proposes that though we subjective hear spoken words as sound, actually what we perceive are the movements by which they are made?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2:... that the motor theory of speech perception proposes that though we subjectively hear spoken words as sound, what we actually perceive are the movements by which they are made? Art LaPella (talk) 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 is fine as a rewording--LittleHow (talk) 01:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

None of the hooks proposed are inaccurate per se, but they do give the impression that motor theory is still more "in the mix" than it really is. No need to get into a long and technical discussion, but I'm pretty sure that nowadays the motor theory, at least in its original strong form, is more or less discredited—of course there are still things about it that are on the right track, but most of the current psycholinguistic literature I am familiar with takes it with a grain of salt. So I would be more comfortable with a hook that doesn't make it sound like a specific contemporary theory, when it's really more like one end of a continuum. One possibility would be a hook saying something about the McGurk effect, which is the crowdpleaser part of motor theory anyway ;). (and, just for the record, I made this same mistake several months ago with my hook for Cohort model, so I'm not perfect either.) rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hock says proposes. Perhaps it should read "the motor theory of speech perception is a hypothesis that proposes ..." to emphasize that this is a claim by the theory not a statement of fact about speech perception. I am not a supporter of the theory. But it is part of the landscape--though not held inmuch regard by those researching speech perception, it has gained much interest by those researching mirror neurons.--LittleHow (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's why I said it's not technically inaccurate—because the theory does propose that. It's just that the hook, written in that way, does inadvertently suggest that the theory is contemporary (it's not your fault for writing it that way; that's just what people assume when reading it). Maybe something like "Liberman's motor theory of speech perception, first published in the 1950s, proposed that...". I will do some brainstorming and see what I can come up with.
(on a side note, speaking of mirror neurons...have you been following the ruckus going on for the past week or two about the new Caramazza paper? It seems to be getting pretty wild...) rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Theory is still held as valid by many contemporary scientists. Though we might consider the theory wrong or mistaken, many do not for example at the Haskins Laboratories and those that research mirror neurons. As Hickok in his "Eight Problems for the Mirror Neuron Theory" has noted "The motor theory of speech perception had been all but abandoned among the majority of speech scientists when mirror neurons were discovered, but has enjoyed a healthy revival since." page 1238, Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, 2008, 21:1229–1243. We may not agree with that "healthy revival" but it exists. The second problem is that even though the motor theory of speech perception may be wrong as an account of complete speech word recognition, it still addresses a puzzle for which science has no explanation. Why do do we subjectively hear a common initial /b/ "sound" to the words, "buy", "boo", "bar", "bee", "bay". Acoustically, the spectrograms do not look similar. Yet oddly, they are pronounced with the same initial motor movement. The theory may be wrong for how we identify whole words but it still offers an account for this phenomena. The jigsaw puzzle pieces in this area of science are still in the process of being fitted together--the motor theory of speech perception has changed in the past and we cannot rule out that it will be accepted in a modified form for some very limited aspects of speech perception such as the perception of subword fragments.--LittleHow (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As for the phenomenon of why we hear /b/, you're right that that is one of the ultimate questions in linguistics today (esp. psycholinguistics, neurolinguistics, and phonetics)...in addition to motor theory, some of the other ideas still in the running are locus equations, and the spectral "templates" proposed by Stevens & Blumenstein back in the 80s...and then, of course, some theoretical phonologists might just say that we don't hear /b/, we just think we do because of our lexical knowledge. Motor theory is still, of course, the best explanation for things like the McGurk Effect, so bits and pieces of motor theory must at least be on the right track, although of course a lot more things are going to have to be taken into account if we are ever going to have a fully developed account of speech perception.
Anyway, that being said, you have allayed my concerns about the hook and I guess there's not a huge danger of "misrepresenting" the theory, so I won't hang this nom up anymore over that. I will keep trying to brainstorm, though, because I think we can make the hook a bit more "hooky"...in its current wording, I think I would have a pretty difficult time understanding it if I didn't already have several years of background in this stuff. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 1

Bavarian Pigeon Corps

... that carrier pigeons, known as the Bavarian Pigeon Corps, were fitted with chest-mounted cameras and sent behind enemy lines for aerial reconnaissance by the Bavarian Army in 1903?

Created by Jennavecia (talk). Self nom at 20:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything appears to check out (over 1,500 characters in the prose - 1536 - and well cited). "Reconnaissance", for what I know, has two "s"s, but I am unsure if there is a variant. Changed per the dictionary's results. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One question: What enemy did Bavaria have in 1903? It's not at all clear from the article which enemy was spied upon. Manxruler (talk) 08:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good question. I have no idea. References don't say. Only that they flew behind enemy lines and were shot and eaten by the enemy. Access to German references would be helpful. I'll try to get some help with that. لenna vecia 06:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone read German? de:Datei:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-R01996,_Brieftaube_mit_Fotokamera.jpg and de:Luftaufklärung#Bildaufkl.C3.A4rung. لenna vecia 07:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read German, and of the two texts you provided the first deals mostly with the technical aspects of reconnaissance by pigeon. The image info from Bundesarchive says that the image of the pigeon shows what is Vermutlich Luftaufklärung im Ersten Weltkrieg (English: "Probably air reconnaissance in the First World War"). So the enemy seems to be the Allies of World War I, which makes kind of sense seeing as the various German states fielded their own armies in that war. But WWI was in 1914-1918, not in 1903. Manxruler (talk) 11:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Do we know what the German name of this unit was? That could be a great help. Manxruler (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One way to clear this up would be to simply use an alt 1 which doesn't include the year 1903: "... that carrier pigeons, known as the Bavarian Pigeon Corps, were fitted with chest-mounted cameras and sent behind enemy lines for aerial reconnaissance by the Bavarian Army?" Manxruler (talk) 12:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, 1903 is the date the cameras were patented. From looking over the history of aerial reconnaissance, I perhaps assumed this was the year that these pigeons were used. That was an unintentional error on my part. Better technology was available during WWI, but that doesn't mean this method wasn't used. However, without a source to support it, such information cannot be in the article. However, I do think it is important to include some time frame to readers, thus:

Alternate hook: ... that carrier pigeons, known as the Bavarian Pigeon Corps, were fitted with chest-mounted cameras and sent behind enemy lines for aerial reconnaissance by the Bavarian Army in the early 1900s?

I will continue to look for the information. If German speakers are willing to do a search, I would very much appreciate it. لenna vecia 21:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Smurfs video games

... that Smurfs video games have been released for numerous game systems starting with Smurf: Rescue in Gargamel's Castle released in 1982 for the Atari 2600?

Created by MuZemike (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 05:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by this discussion, the article's a merger. Shubinator (talk) 00:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Tubridy Show

... that The Tubridy Show's book club has significantly boosted book sales in Ireland? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 03:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Lauritz Sand

... that Lauritz Sand is said to be the hardest tortured person in Norway during World War II?

Created by Oceanh (talk), Manxruler (talk), Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"the hardest tortured" sounds understandable but strange in English. I suggest "the most tortured", "the most intensively tortured", or "the most cruelly tortured". Art LaPella (talk) 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Alt 1: "... that Lauritz Sand is said to be the most intensively tortured person in Norway during World War II?" Manxruler (talk) 08:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

The hook would carry more force if it was of the form "<some authoritative historian> said Lauritz Sand was the most intensively tortured...". The main citation is not in English so it hard for me to be more specific. hth Woz2 (talk) 14:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well... That's going to be a bit harder, seeing as we have loads of authoritative historians saying that Sand is "said to be the most tortured Norwegian in WWII", but they themselves don't directly say it. So, with that in mind, I suggest a different hook:

Alt 2:... that XU leader Lauritz Sand was turned in to the Gestapo by a female Norwegian Abwehr agent? Manxruler (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt 3:... that Lauritz Sand served in the Royal Dutch East Indies Army and managed plantations before joining the Norwegian resistance movement at age 60? Manxruler (talk) 02:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cooktownia robertsii

... that the tiny rare green Mystery Orchid, Cooktownia robertsii (pictured), was named after Cooktown and its discoverer, Lewis Roberts, and is the only member of the genus Cooktownia?

Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Although it seems very probable that it is so, you haven't actually provided a cite for the claim that the plant is named after Lewis Roberts. Gatoclass (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Although I have not been able to obtain a written confirmation that this species was named after Lewis Roberts, the discoverer of this orchid; I have been able to confirm this with Lewis Roberts himself and Jeannette Covacavitch, who was a Curator at the Queensland Museum at the time and knows both Lewis and the taxonomist DL Jones, who named it, very well. So, although I have no written evidence - the evidence of the people involved makes it, I believe, beyond question. John Hill (talk) 01:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC) I have just been told that this is recorded in the article: Jones DL (1997) "Cooktownia robertsii, a remarkable new genus and species of Orchidaceae from Australia." Austrobaileya (1997) 5 (1), 71-8. I don't have immediate access to the article to check this - so I have written to Kew Gardens to try to obtain a copy. John Hill (talk) 01:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personal communication is not considered a valid source on Wikipedia. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well, I tried. It will obviously be too late to run this item by the time I hear back from Kew Gardens. John Hill (talk) 01:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I put in a request with my university library. Sometimes they manage to get these things to me in a day or so, other times it takes over a week. I'll keep my fingers crossed. If I do get it, I can e-mail you a pdf. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Estonian parliamentary election, 2003

... that the Estonian Centre Party and Res Publica Party won 28 seats each in the 2003 Estonian parliamentary election tying for the most seats?

5x expanded by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 22:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Life without Death

... that although the Life without Death cellular automaton has a much more limited repertoire of patterns than Conway's Game of Life, it is capable of simulating arbitrary Boolean circuits?

Created by Simpsons contributor (talk). Nominated by David Eppstein (talk) at 20:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Gustav (1990)

... that Hurricane Gustav of the 1990 Atlantic hurricane season was the only major hurricane to develop during the season?

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, Hurricane Bertha caused nine deaths. I think the hook should state what it implies directly; ie. that it was the only hurricane over Category 3 on the Saffir Simpson Scale. ceranthor 20:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's unnecessary, as the hook already links to the definition of "major hurricane". –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

West Point Rice Mill

... that the West Point Rice Mill (pictured) was proposed for a Pan Am seabase terminal in the 1930s?

Created/expanded by ProfReader (talk), KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 12:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ProfReader wrote an new article that was first created May 29. KudzuVine had written a longer article that was posted June 1. I don't know if we say this is new or 5X expansion. Both authors given credit! KudzuVine (talk) 13:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Overseas absentee voting act of the Philippines (RA 9189)

... that the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) spent a total of 112.71 million pesos for the overseas absentee voters in 2004?

Created by Maverx (talk). Self nom at 13:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa K. Wyatt

... that actress Lisa K. Wyatt has appeared in more than 150 film, television and regional theatre credits, including The Office?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 04:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Labor Relations Commission (Philippines)

... that the National Labor Relations Commission (NLRC) is a commission organized by the Philippine government to resolve, investigate and settle disputes between an employee and an employer?Created by Maverx (talk). Self nom at 09:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that the NLRC is a commission organized by the Philippine government to resolve disputes between an employee and an employer?Created by Maverx (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rhode Island Soft Systems

... that in 1998, Liverdance by Rhode Island Soft Systems was the first screensaver to incorporate built-in multiple advertisements?

Created by Pastor Theo (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of Dubai

... that the discovery of oil in 1966 led to Dubai's rapid expansion and modernisation?

5x expanded by Dottydotdot (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative-... that Dubai became part of the United Arab Emirates as part of its formation in 1971?

This is a great re-write that has created an excellent article with comprehensive references... but my calculations say it is only 4.05 times expanded. Please keep expanding. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I will do my best to expand it. Dotty••|☎ 17:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now up to around 4.24... keep going, you'll make it! hamiltonstone (talk) 11:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am now 200 words short, but frankly don't think it's wise to add any more as it may end up in the article actually having a lower quality. Any chance of being approved although a tiny bit short-it has been expanded quite a lot! Thanks! Dotty••|☎ 14:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Given the effort that's gone into this, I think we can bend the rules a bit. I say

–Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 31

Chopin nocturnes

Nocturne in G minor, Op. 37 No. 1

... that Chopin's 21 nocturnes generally feature ternary form, a melancholy melody and a broken chord bass line?

Created by Stevage (talk). Self nom at 02:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Currently right on the minimum number of prose characters, but I wanted to nominate it before I forget. Stevage 02:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternative image:

1,494 characters of text, using this (and excluding section headers). Six more pls. Ceoil (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

:) done. Stevage 08:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ternary form doesn't appear anywhere in the article. Frank | talk 10:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Good point, the article referred to "ABA structure", which is synonymous. I've clarified in the article now.

Looks good, although now the article has been renamed. Frank | talk 11:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, dates, and citations look good and I've avoided the redirect in the hook and credit template but this article uses bare URLs. All it needs to pass now is properly formatted references. - Dravecky (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Converted. Frank | talk 17:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 30

Gazelle class light cruiser

... that the German Gazelle-class light cruiser (pictured), designed 1895–1896, set the pattern for all Imperial German Navy light cruisers through the end of the First World War?

Created by Mackensen (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- hook is present and cited within the article, but what is the 'basic pattern' (include in the hook please) and a majority of the article is unreferenced. —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 19:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The thing speaks for itself--the article describes the design considerations behind the class, and cites a source to the effect that these considerations formed the basis for all German light cruisers before the war. The article is not unreferenced at any point, although I can make the citations more explicit. Mackensen (talk) 13:01, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's clear enough what the "basic pattern" refers to now, but could you add a cite or two to the "Service history" section please? Gatoclass (talk) 21:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Some material is summarized from the article on Baltic Sea operations, but I've noted the additional secondary sources as well. There's quite a bit out there if those aren't enough. Mackensen (talk) 00:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, dates, and references all check out. - Dravecky (talk) 15:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aces and eights (blackjack)

... that in blackjack regardless of the casino's rules for resplitting, doubling, multiple card draws, blackjack payout, number of decks used, reshuffling and the dealer's cards, it is always optimal to split aces and eights?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook exceeds 200 characters. JulieSpaulding (talk) 05:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that regardless of the casino's blackjack rules for resplitting, doubling, card draws, blackjack payout, deck count, reshuffling and the dealer's cards, it is always optimal to split aces and eights?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that no matter the house rules, in blackjack it is always best to split aces and eights? Stevage 07:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or how about "... that in blackjack, it is common advice to always split aces and eights?" Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 10:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think we are losing the fact that it is statistically optimal in the two revised hooks that have been submitted.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<I think the main problem is that the original lead was really wordy about casino rules. Isn't it simpler to just put "casino rules" or "casino's rules". Or, since most of the situations in the first edit have to do with card plays and betting, how about this:

... that in blackjack, regardless of the casino's rules for betting and how the cards are played, it is always optimal to split aces and eights? Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That is fine although "and how the cards are played" may be superfluous.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Malik Jackson

... that Malik Jackson's fumble recovery with 1:55 left in the second half of the 2007 Orange Bowl was the first in his college career?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dull hook. Play football long enough and you will eventually recover a fumble; noting when it was doesn't make it any more interesting. If it was a game-winning touchdown, maybe. Daniel Case (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 ... that Malik Jackson has played all defensive positions in his professional career? Not sure if that's better.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 18:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Czesław Madajczyk

... that Polish historian Czesław Madajczyk, internationally praised for his works on the occupation of Poland and Polish culture during World War II, has also been criticized for being too malleable to the demands of the Polish communist regime?

5x expanded primarily by Piotrus, Poeticbent and Molobo. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 08:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook exceeds 200 characters. JulieSpaulding (talk) 05:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Try this as a shorter version:

... that historian Czesław Madajczyk, best known for his works on the occupation of Poland and Polish culture during World War II, has also been criticized for being too malleable to the demands of the Polish communist regime?

I hope that helps. :) Pastor Theo (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that Czesław Madajczyk, known for his works on the occupation of Poland and the effect on its culture, was said to be too malleable to the Polish communist regime's demands? less characters Victuallers (talk) 19:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's a quote in the article apparently from the book, but the reference is to a review of the book. Shubinator (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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