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:::Agree. The article looks fine at this point. It suffers no less then any other article on a 1,000 year-old subject, where more recent events, for which sources are easier to come by, are given a little more coverage then neccesary.--''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 16:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Agree. The article looks fine at this point. It suffers no less then any other article on a 1,000 year-old subject, where more recent events, for which sources are easier to come by, are given a little more coverage then neccesary.--''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 16:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] This looks to me like another exercise in POV-pushing from Mbz. Could there be any more demonization of Muslims crammed into this article? Practically every paragraph contains some instance of Muslims "attacking" Jews, none of it with any context whatever. Even the section dealing with the Egyptian government's rebuilding of the synagogue frames the event in terms of alleged government embarrassment over anti-Israel comments and supposed self interest. This just doesn't look ready for the mainpage to me. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 12:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on April 2

Yajna (avatar)

Men performing a fire sacrifice. Lamps surround the fire pit>

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 09:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pêr-Jakez Helias

5x expanded by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 04:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Pirc Defense, Austrian Attack

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length, date, hook length good; AGF on offline ref (but I know it's true). Sasata (talk) 04:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado State Highway 16

5x expanded by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk). Nominated by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk) at 03:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Hill 86

Created by Ynhockey (talk). Self nom at 00:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looks good. Left a few notes inline; could you check those out? NW (Talk) 01:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Numerosity adaptation effect

Two figures, one above the other. First figure (up) display contain two circles: 10 dots in the circle at left and 100 dots in the circle at right. Fixation mark is placed between two circles. The second figure display contain two circles with each of them contain 40 dots. The dots in the left circle are arranged as mirror image of the the dots in the right circle

  • ... that the Numerosity adaptation effect (pictured example) demonstrates that we not only have a direct and automatic visual sense of the reddishness of half a dozen ripe cherries, but also of their sixishness?

Created by Gilisa (talk). Nominated by --Gilisa (talk) 09:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 1

Newbourne

  • … that the Page brothers who were over 7 ft tall and toured in a traveling circus as the Newbourne Giants are buried in the village of Newbourne?

Created by HelioSmith (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Communist Party of Andalusia

5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Darell Hammond

A man in a purple shirt uses a microphone to speak to a crowd outside.

  • ...that Darell Hammond (pictured) founded KaBOOM!, an American non-profit organization that builds playgrounds for children?

Created by Trustcitedonce (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 01:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The Short Snorter Project

  • ... that The Short Snorter Project is the tradition of signing a short snorter, or a banknote which was inscribed by people traveling together to different events?

Created by CrowzRSA. Self nom at 00:59, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Correct me if im wrong, but we don't count text in infoboxes, right?--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:43, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Or in lists, so unfortunately it currently has only 651 characters, according to DYKcheck, rather than the required 1500. Mikenorton (talk) 11:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Camperdown

5x expanded by User:Jackyd101 (talk). Nominated by User:Jackyd101 (talk) at 23:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arnfinn Moland

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Jacinto Jijón y Caamaño

Created by Jarry1250 (talk). Nominated by Jarry1250 (talk) at 21:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two articles: Jacinto Jijón y Caamaño (expanded); Manteño civilization (new creation). - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 21:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Wray

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Watson v British Boxing Board of Control

German submarine U-246

  • ... that the German submarine U-246 went missing on 7 March 1945 in the Irish Sea?

5x expanded by Dawkeye (talk) and White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 16:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

German submarine U-255

  • ... that the German submarine U-255 was one of the most successful U-boats to operate in the Arctic Ocean in World War II?

5x expanded by Dawkeye (talk) and White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 16:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



  • Dawkey deserves about 80-90% credit for this one. I only expanded it by about x1 and added in citations and whatnot and he did the rest.--White Shadows you're breaking up 16:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Double-barreled question

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 16:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nice hook. Well written and sourced article and also interesting! --Gilisa (talk) 09:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bidal Aguero

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Bandula Warnapura

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT1 is not stated in the article. Do you have a reliable, secondary source for that claim? lol. cmadler (talk) 15:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, darn it... that would have looked good on the main page :P ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:26, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

JB's Dudley

5x expanded by ChrisTheDude (talk). Nominated by ChrisTheDude (talk) at 08:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trespass in English law

Jethro Rothe-Kushel

Created by Chzz (talk). Self nom at 07:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 31

Hakon Lunde

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Replaced "ship" with "destroyer" - more accurate and catchy. Manxruler (talk) 01:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Skitch

Created by Jack1956 (talk) and Ssilvers (talk) . Nominated by Jack1956 (talk) at 18:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cholmondeston

5x expanded by Espresso Addict (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Gestural Variations

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Richard R. Peabody

  • ...that Richard Peabody was the first authority to proclaim that there was no cure for alcoholism, and his best-selling book, The Common Sense of Drinking, was a major influence on A.A. founder Bill W.?

Created by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 02:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chula series

The Una Chula II, a part of the Chula series paintings by Juan Luna

  • Comment: 1,832 characters

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Hooker Emerald Brooch

a square emerald set in a circular platinum brooch covered in diamonds

Created/expanded by GeeJo (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Brottier

An image of Daniel Brottier in a long black cassock, seated horseback as a chaplain in World War One.

  • ... that Blessed Daniel Brottier (pictured), when asked by his mother what he wanted to be when he grew up, responded, "I will be the Pope"?

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that 15,000 Parisians attended the funeral mass of Blessed Daniel Brottier in 1936? Alekjds talk 21:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Blessed Daniel Brottier produced a popular film on the life of his patron saint, Thérèse of Lisieux? Alekjds talk 00:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that Blessed Daniel Brottier was awarded the Croix de guerre, the Légion d'honneur, and cited six times for bravery for his services as an chaplain for the French army in the First World War? Alekjds talk 00:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lots of good hooks from this article. Maybe editors will prefer one over the others. Alekjds talk 00:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Floating Down to Camelot

5x expanded by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 21:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Zopherus

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Nominated by Stemonitis (talk) at 20:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length, and hook verified, AGF for offline reference. Could have been good April fool's nomination IMO. Calmer Waters 02:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Section 116 of the Australian Constitution

Created by Mkativerata (talk). Nominated by Mkativerata (talk) at 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Christ in the Desert

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 19:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I'm confused (and I think others may be as well) by the term "Professor degree". cmadler (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of St. John's

5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 19:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Human subject research legislation in the United States

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 16:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



List of members of the Parliament of Syria, 1961, Syrian parliamentary election, 1961

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 11:59, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's a fact hook that cites 2 articles, I don't see what you feel is lacking. How about:
ALT1... that there were no women deputies among the 172 deputies elected to the Parliament of Syria in the 1961 parliamentary elections? Yazan (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alt 1 is definitely better. The problem with the original hook is that it didn't really have an interesting fact tying the two - the objection is not mine (I hold no actual opinion on the matter), but it is a rule of thumb that hooks should have, well, a hook. Dahn (talk) 18:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I concede that, thank you for the comment. Now we just need someone to verify it. Yazan (talk) 02:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grosse Pointe Memorial Church

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Billboard Top Latin Songs Year-End Chart

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 09:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 09:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Cuban singer-songwriter Jon Secada released three singles from his album Otro Día Más Sin Verte that were among the best-performing Latin singles in 1992 and 1993?

St John the Evangelist's Church, Crosscanonby

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 08:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Dhodar Ali

  • ... that the 400 year old Dhodar Ali in Assam is so called because some dhods ("lazy people" in Assamese) and opium addicts were assigned by the Ahom king to build it?

Created by Xeteli (talk). Self nom at 06:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 30

Oreocallis

ALT:

  • ... that the red flowers of the four related genera Oreocallis, Embothrium, Telopea and Alloxylon from South America and Australia have geared to attracting birds over 60 million years?

Created by Casliber (talk), Guettarda (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 19:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania Avenue National Historic Site

Pennsylvania Avenue Historic Site, showing Pennsylvania Avenue NW and the Federal Triangle group of buildings in 2007.

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 13:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Aderca

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Nominated by Dahn (talk) at 12:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Jethro Rothe-Kushel

Created by Chzz (talk). Self nom at 07:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SS Polar Chief

Photo of a steamship

Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 06:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article length (6.3k) and age fine, hook is properly referenced. No licensing issues with image (expired copyright). --Aka042 (talk) 03:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


John Regeczi

Gerald Ford, MVP of the 1934 Michigan football team and 38th U.S. President

Created/expanded by User:cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 03:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Lemur evolution and diversification

Medium-sized primate, with a long snout; grey fur on the back, arms, and top of the head; white fur on the chest, ears, and face; and black around the eyes and nose

  • Comment: Once again, there could be many hooks for this one. If you're not happy with the one I provided, feel free to make up a new one. – VisionHolder « talk » 02:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Visionholder (talk). Self nom at 02:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald Zahorchak

  • ... that Pennsylvania Education Secretary Gerald Zahorchak has also been an elementary teacher, principal, high school football coach, superintendent, deputy mayor and city council member throughout his career?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 03:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Channel 4's Comedy Gala

Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Jeanne Bonaparte

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 19:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arrangement in Grey and Black, No. 2: Portrait of Thomas Carlyle

Arrangement in Grey and Black, No. 2: Portrait of Thomas Carlyle

Created/expanded by JNW (talk). Self nom at 00:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1994 Baku Metro bombings

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Coat of arms of Kola

Coat of arms of Kola

Created by Ezhiki (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Occoquan Reservoir

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 20:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length, and hook check out. Wondering if ALT1 (or something to that effect) would be catchier?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 30, 2010; 20:51 (UTC)
ALT1: ...that even though the Occoquan Reservoir in northern Virginia provides an output of 17 million gallons a day to 1.2 million people, it is listed on Virginia's Dirty Water List?

Yeah, that;s a good one we'll go with that. It is indeed a contradiction that this is a major fresh water suppiler yet is polluted! Dr. Blofeld White cat 09:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Robbins Curtis

He is the only Justice of the Supreme Court to have resigned on a matter of principle.[1]

He was the first Supreme Court Justice to have actually received a law degree — his predecessors had either "read law" (a form of apprenticeship) or had attended a law school without receiving a degree.[1][2]

In 1868, he acted as chief counsel for President Andrew Johnson during the impeachment trial. He himself read the answer to the articles of impeachment, and it was "largely his work." His opening statement lasted two days, and was commended for legal presience and clarity.[3][4] He successfully persuaded the Senate that an impeachment was a judicial act, not a political act, so that it required a full hearing of evidence. This precedent "influenced every subsequent impeachment."[1][2] 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC) Stan[reply]

What's the DYK hook? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It could be any of the three,
  1. is the only Justice of the Supreme Court to have resigned on a matter of principle.

""# He was the first Supreme Court Justice to have actually received a law degree — his predecessors had either "read law" (a form of apprenticeship) or had attended a law school without receiving a degree.

  1. Successfully defended President Andrew Johnson in his Impeachement trial, establishing a precedent that affected Bill Clinton. And he thereafter declined Johnson's offer of the Attorney General position.
Feel free to rewrite these or sex them up. I'm new to DYK-land, so I defer to your aggregate wisdom. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Stan[reply]
...that Benjamin Robbins Curtis was the first Supreme Court justice to have a law degree, and the only one to have resigned out of principle? DS (talk) 02:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is a succinct and correct statement. Sexy and direct, I think. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC) Stan[reply]

Hollandsche Spectator

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 18:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Patuxai

  • ... that in the 1960s, cement and finances originally intended to build an airfield during the Vietnam War by the Americans were used in the building of the Patuxai monument in Vientiane, Laos?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 16:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out, and hook checks out online - but hook seems a bit long. How about:
ALT1: ... that American money was switched from an airport to build the Patuxai monument in Vientiane, Laos?--Storye book (talk) 18:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gaylord Silly

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bhutan Textile Museum

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Kaiser Friedrich III class battleship

A large, light gray battleship bristling with guns sits in harbor

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's cited in the introduction for ease of DYK review; the citation is for Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1860-1905 on page 247. It covers the two preceding sentences. Parsecboy (talk) 02:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1971 NBA Draft

5x expanded by Martin tamb (talk). Self nom at 09:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



The Battle of Lepanto

The Battle of Lepanto painting by Juan Luna

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out but again you've given a bit of a stale hook. I know that the hook is supposed to show the importance of the painting because it has been hung up side by side with the work of a famous Spanish painter even though the painter of the battle of lepanto was Filipino, but most people won't realise that. You need to explain it in the hook, for instance saying, Did you know... that even though he was a Filipino painter, Juan Luna's 'The Battle of Lepanto' was commissioned by the Spanish Senate?... might work better. You've also got a few other problems... The first is that you've flooded the market here by placing more than 8 different hooks about different Filipino paintings. Not all of them can be passed so I think it would have been best if you had concentrated on just 2, 3 at a maximum. The second is that a lot of your hooks simple say what is depicted in the painting. This isn't interesting! You need to show the importance of the painting in the hook, describing what has been painted works for some special paintings, but not for all! You have to realise that if there isn't something special about the article, apart from the fact that it was recognised by the Spanish, then it shouldn't go up on the main page. Rudy 11:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Central London Railway

  • ... that at 44 tons, the locomotives of the Central London Railway's first underground trains were so heavy that they shook buildings as they passed 60 feet below and were scrapped after three years?

5x expanded by DavidCane (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hive001 (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 29

I Made a Game with Zombies in It!

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 05:46, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



1994 Progress Party national convention

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Meet the Parents (1992 film)

Created by Big Bird (talk). Self nom at 12:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of non-marine molluscs of Dominica

yellow-green snail with partly transparent shell

Created by Snek01 (talk). Nominated by Snek01 (talk) at 00:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suitable age and discretion

Created by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Buddy Tudor

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard

Created by Ottava Rima (talk). Nominated by Malleus Fatuorum (talk) at 23:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Undone. 99% of this article was written by Ottava alone; trying to airbrush him out of Wikipedia's history is a crude and distasteful bit of Wikipolitics. I've no problem (and I'm sure Ottava doesn't either) with OohBunnies being given additional credit if you think it's warranted. – iridescent 11:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I must be missing something because I don't show 1 edit from Ottava Rima in the history (looks like I did). Odd I would be accused of trying to airbrush him out of Wikipedia's history, when I have only looked at the history of the article and tried to give what I believed to be do credit. I see now, at the bottom it was moved from his user space. I missed that small part. Iridescent, maybe a little to defensive? Could have been better served to just pointed out that I missed the page move at the botom. Kindly Calmer Waters 18:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem and no harm done; be aware though that the concerted attempts to airbrush credit for articles by Arbcom-decreed unpersons out of the history of Wikipedia (see here for a particularly glaring recent example, or the shenanigans on Arch Coal which resulted in this apology from Jimbo) means that this is a more sensitive area than usual. – iridescent 19:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can see where you were coming from. No worries. Cheers. Calmer Waters 02:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it will do to say in the hook that the poem "isn't actually an elegy at all" - as stated in the article, with a good citation, "The work is not a true elegy in a technical sense but it is one in the sense that it is a poem containing thematic elements of the elegiac genre, especially mourning." If this hook were corrected to "is only an elegy in a limited sense", it would be feeble. Better hook needed. Moonraker2 (talk) 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Georgian news report hoax

Mikheil Saakashvili was reported to have been assassinated in the fake report.

  • Comment: If this nom is not utilised for April Fools can it please be moved back into the main DYK process. Also, I will have very intermitent internet access for the next couple of days, so if there are any problems, or alt hook suggestions, please feel free to do whatever needs to be done to get this to the front page, if it is a good nominee.

Created by Russavia (talk). Nominated by Russavia (talk) at 15:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no to this hook. It is just a flat out falsehood. --Found5dollar (talk) 15:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is actually verified by the sources in the article on the actual hoax itself. Verifiability not truth :) --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 15:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is not verifiable, since the whole thing is about a hoax you would have to say something to the effect of "Some News sources claimed that...." --Found5dollar (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, i am pretty sure claiming that someone died during a war that didsn't would violate our BLP guidelines.--Found5dollar (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well it is April Fool's of course, and I have now changed both hooks to say "according to Imedi TV". This should satisfy any conditions I believe? --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 18:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 1: "... according to Imedi TV, Mikheil Saakashvili (pictured) was assassinated during the Russian invasion of Georgia, which saw the Georgian opposition joining the invading Russian forces? --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 15:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit uncomfortable with this one; given that the (real) Russian-Georgian war is less than two years in the past and is still a raw nerve for thousands of people, some of whom will no doubt be reading it. There seems to be something tasteless about joking about an event that caused at least 500 deaths and displaced 200,000 refugees—and regardless of the intent, "joking about a major disaster" is going to be how at least some people see it. – iridescent 18:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it's not that funny. Articles about hoaxes probably don't work that well here. Aiken 19:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from April 1 noms. The article has NPOV tag and needs extra attention in this regard (sensitive political issue). Materialscientist (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV tag has been replaced with an inline disputed statement - please see talk page for comments. I don't believe a single disputed sentence should disqualify an article from DYK though? --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 22:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fata Morgana (mirage)

Fata Morgana of a boat

5x expanded by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 21:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • -The expansion is fine...(though DYKcheck doesn't seem to agree...odd). However, your hook is not neutral. Please provide a neutral hook. The statement and probably the most credible is not in line with WP:NPOV.Smallman12q (talk) 23:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I am sorry, that was careless of me. I cleaned up the hook, is that better? Invertzoo (talk) 00:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the reference to Hg2g, I am unsure of its reliability. There are other reputable sources that actually mention the flying dutchman such as http://blogs.qc.cuny.edu/blogs/ONH2008/001/2008/11/fata_morgana.html and http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/bibliog/bibliog.html .Nonetheless, this hook is approved=D.Smallman12q (talk) 23:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Olomana (locomotive)

A small, dark green steam engine with red wheels and trim.

Created by Niagara (talk). Self nom at 17:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Offline source AGF, length and creation date verified. Image is in PD per Commons.Gosox(55)(55) 19:38, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Suillus quiescens

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

URO VAMTAC

VAMTAC on patrol

  • Comment: There are other images in the article if needed.

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 14:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Palestinian freedom of movement

Created/expanded by Factomancer (talk). Nominated by Factomancer (talk) at 13:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Theirs a few photos by B'Tselem in the article that either need proper license tags, or need to be reviewed by someone more versed in permission requirements on whether or not the photos can be used on Wikipedia under a CC or compatible license scheme.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 21:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Currently tagged for neutrality problems. Ucucha 22:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ditto Hive001 (talk) 11:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What they said. Hipocrite (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know what the point of this is; this article will not be promoted when the neutrality problems are not resolved soon and may be promoted when they are solved, regardless of how many people say "me too". Ucucha 20:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

English cricket team in Bangladesh in 2009–10

A man dressed in a dark red training top and black shorts with a dark red stripe crouches behind a stump with his gloved hands poised in front of him.

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 13:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Buddha Dhatu Jadi

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've tweaked the hook a bit. The grammar was confusing, and please note that there should be just one link to the same article's title, even if it has a different title (see WP:OVERLINK). Also, I'm pretty sure the article "the" should not be part of an article's title in this case: the article should perhaps be moved to Buddha Dhatu Jadi? Regards, Dahn (talk) 08:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the review. Observations noted. I have moved the title to Buddha Dhatu Jadi and also made chnages in the hook.--Nvvchar (talk) 10:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you. But please allow me to note: I'm not sure whether the "the" should also be removed from references to the institution, as you decided to do; I merely suggested that, per wikipedia conventions, it should not be in the title (and, as such, in the DYK link). What I mean is that, while "The Buddha Dhatu Jadi" was an anomaly in naming, "the Buddha Dhatu Jadi" may still be the proper way (then again, the conventions regarding names of Buddhist temples are entirely out of my league). Dahn (talk) 10:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Kentigern's Church, Caldbeck

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 10:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • On this and other hooks of yours (interesting articles btw), do we need the full location (there's another one you submitted today with the same issue)? At present this hook is, I think, a little long at 217 characters (inc. spaces). With hooks less is often more, in terms of grabbing readers' attention.
What about ALT1 ... that in the churchyard of St Kentigern's Church, Caldbeck, are the graves of John Peel (headstone pictured) and the Maid of Buttermere? Ericoides (talk) 09:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I did, like you, had concerns about the wording and length of the hook. I assumed that "(headstone pictured)" would not count in the characters, which would make it 191 with spaces. Location: How many people in UK, never mind USA and elswhere, would have a clue about the location of Caldbeck? (I suppose I was also trying to give some publicity to the (rather new) Lancashire and Cumbria Wikiproject.) John Peel - it must be the media presenter to most people, so I added the reference to the song; although I suppose the unqualified "John Peel" might command more hits! Mary Robinson/Harrison - the trouble here is that the source does not say Maid of Buttermere (which I would prefer) so I stuck to what the source said. So, trying to link a degree of brevity with greater accuracy, how about (although I am not proud and would settle for most compromises):
  • (for ALT2). Everything checks out. Re hooks, to mislead the reader a little is quite in order. After all, a trout thinks it's getting a tasty fly. Ericoides (talk) 14:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wailuku Civic Center Historic District

Created by 293.xx.xxx.xx (talk). Self nom at 08:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolf-Kalweit-Stadion

Created by Calistemon (talk). Nominated by Calistemon (talk) at 07:54, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St. Johns-Indian River Barge Canal

Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 07:47, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost stations of the Paris Métro

Created by Aka042 (talk). Self nom at 06:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hive001 (talk) 11:14, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lemur

A close-up of the head of a medium-sized primate with brown fur, a long snout, orange eyes, small ears, and orange fur on the throat

  • Comment: There are so many potential hooks for this article... Feel free to make up a half-dozen alternates if it suits you. – VisionHolder « talk » 05:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Visionholder (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Impressive article, I look forward to seeing it at FAC. Personally I think the last two hooks are the least interesting, but it may be difficult to choose from the others! Sasata (talk) 06:53, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I think alt 4 may be among the strongest. Ucucha 00:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I second the support for Alt 4. Gobonobo T C 01:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original hook or first alternative Hive001 (talk) 11:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RG-35

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Princeton Tigers men's lacrosse

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 04:30, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Acolman

  • ... that the eight foot high stone cross in the atrium of the former monastery of Acolman, Mexico is considered to be an important expression of “tequiqui” or Christian art executed by Indian craftsmen in the 16th century?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


1111 Pennsylvania Avenue

  • ... that 1111 Pennsylvania Avenue was one of the first structures built under the Pennsylvania Avenue redevelopment plan approved in 1964, but also the last private building on the street to be renovated under the 1974 redevelopment plan?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 02:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Kirsten Huser Leschbrandt

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 28

List of amphibians of Sri Lanka

a limbless amphibian resembles snake or earthworm

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 12:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sviatoslav's invasion of Bulgaria

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 22:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Nordaust-Svalbard Nature Reserve, Søraust-Svalbard Nature Reserve, List of protected areas of Svalbard

A polar bear walking in the ice

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is "(pictured)" in the right place? That shows a polar bear, not seven national parks. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Clavarioid fungi

Created by RunningClam (talk). Nominated by J Milburn (talk) at 10:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hugh Maguire (violinist)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk), Eebahgum (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

East 80th Street Houses

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 18:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leverett George DeVeber

A left-facing headshot of a white man with a white moustache

5x expanded by Steve Smith (talk). Self nom at 08:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



David Herbert (artist)

A VHS videocassette

  • ... that artist David Herbert exhibited a 96" replica of a VHS videocassette—normally 7½" in length (pictured)?

5x expanded by Tyrenius (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Usual practice is not to reject articles that are at AfD, but to put the hook on hold pending the outcome of the deletion debate. At the moment, this looks like it will end as either a keep or no consensus, and in either case we could go ahead with the DYK. cmadler (talk) 11:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Darwin Mobile Force

Created by AustralianRupert (talk). Self nom at 06:22, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frederick L. Conklin

Conklin awarding John F. Kennedy the Navy and Marine Corps Medal

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 05:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Stoneground

Created by Gongshow (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Both hooks verified, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. I think the second hook is more interesting. --Bruce1eetalk 09:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most Valuable Players (film)

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 21:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Col. James Graham House

A black-and-white image of the Col. James Graham House, a two-story log house.

5x expanded by TheCatalyst31 (talk). Self nom at 20:31, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Thomas Stewart (civil engineer), Woodhead Dam

Woodhead Dam in South Africa

Created/expanded by KudzuVine (talk). Nominated by KudzuVine (talk) at 20:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Linda Mvusi

South Africa-Johannesburg-Apartheid Museum

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1eetalk 13:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


People's Party (Syria)

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cello (web browser)

5x expanded by Smallman12q (talk), Mabdul (talk). Nominated by Smallman12q (talk) at 15:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Everthing looks fine, but just a small point: The article says it is considered to be the first browser for Windows, whereas the hooks say it was the first. Of the 4 online refs cited, 3 say it was the first, 1 says it was one of the first. It might be safer to change the hooks to say something like "one of the first". --Bruce1eetalk 10:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the Legal Information Institute at Cornell Law School is lying, it is indeed the first browser for Windows. I left in the "considered" part because I thought it sounded better...but I realize that it creates unnecessary ambiguity, and so I will remove it.Smallman12q (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. Expansion and date verified, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1eetalk 13:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

La barca de Aqueronte

La barca de Aqueronte painting by Felix Resurreccion Hidalgo

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Justus van Effen

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 15:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison between written English and written Chinese

  • ... that it takes exceptional determination, fortitude, and stamina to consult Chinese dictionaries in searching for the meaning of Chinese characters?

Created by Arilang1234 . Self nom at 13:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out however article has a maintenance tag (copyedit - valid tag, spelling & grammar need attention). Hook not verified - please supply page number for location of cite within source. Nancy talk 08:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bell Labs Digital Synthesizer

Created by [[User:|User:Maury Markowitz]] (talk). Self nom at 13:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wat Phra Kaew

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 13:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Grey Currawong

a dark grey crow-like bird nosing around for some food

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Battle of Hehil

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Nominated by Moonraker2 (talk) at 08:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mamba APC

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 08:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



List of San Diego Padres first-round draft picks

Created by Staxringold (talk). Self nom at 05:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Stated in the lead, ref in the lead and the table confirms. Totally verified. KV5 (TalkPhils) 13:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


McClelland Homestead

A brown wooden barn and a red brick farmhouse

Created by Nyttend (talk). Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 04:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


List of Australian floral emblems

yellow flowers and green leaves

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 03:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Len Lawson

  • ... that Len Lawson, creator of the popular Australian comic book character the “Lone Avenger” was convicted of rape and murder and died in prison?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Overall it passes. Its a pretty interesting fact but its a negative one too so I'll leave it to admins discretion. Rudy 14:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He died not long ago (2003). Do we need to feature this overly negative nom? Materialscientist (talk) 05:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A simple hook will do, IMHO.
ALT1... that Len Lawson created several popular Australian comic book characters, including the “Lone Avenger” and the “Hooded Rider”? Yazan (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on March 27

Frost flower (sea ice)

Monochrome, dozens of spiky ice formations that look like flowers

Created by Triboy123 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 10:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


List of Phil Ochs songs

  • ... that U.S. singer-songwriter Phil Ochs wrote or recorded at least 238 songs during his career?

Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 03:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Unsure about the prose as it is right now. It is currently at 1540; however, almost half of it is describing the understanding of list itself. Would it be possible to add some prose maybe highlighting something about a song that received some type of special attention (ie. award maybe). Otherwise, nicely arranged list. Others are welcomed to weigh in. Calmer Waters 07:06, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Fogarty

Created by Greenshed (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, hook and length verified. — AustralianRupert (talk) 00:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Battle of Rellano, Second Battle of Rellano

A flyer from the Mexican Revolution depicting a man, Pascual Orozco, standing with a rifle at his foot and a text of a corrido in his honor

  • Comment: These are two x5 expansions. The hook, by my count is at 211, which is allowed under additional rules for multiple article noms; subtracting "Second Battle of Rellano" gives 186<200. Also, please note that the given source explicitly links the use of the maquina loca as a similar tactic in both battles.

Created/expanded by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 21:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Falcon Lair

Created by Ekem (talk). Nominated by Ekem (talk) at 21:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maimonides Synagogue

Moses Maimonides

Created by Mbz1 talk and Avenue talk. Self nom at 15:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Previous conversation
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
  • Date, length and hook check out. I would suggest adding information about the architecture of the synagogue itself. Yazan (talk) 15:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Need second opinion. As the article progressed, there seems to be undue weight on a non-notable recent event in the article. I won't add a WP:RECENT tag yet, as I am still waiting for the editors' response. But nonetheless, I would feel more comfortable if more experienced, regular contributors here verify this one. Yazan (talk) 07:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another try to kill a valid but unwanted nomination. Please notice that Template:Recentism is not listed in Dispute tags that are mention in DYK guidelines.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't like your suggestion Mbz1. The template is more than justified (as seen on the talkpage). And I didn't fail the article, I asked for a new more experienced reviewer. You need to watch your insinuations, and cut down on the drama. Do remember that I verified it at first, and helped tweaking the article and sources. I am done with this conversation and this article, you can take it from here. Yazan (talk) 15:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I removed my suggestion. I am not talking about justification of the template in the article. I said only that the template itself cannot the reason to decline the nomination because it is not listed in DYK guidelines. --Mbz1 (talk) 15:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Mbz1, thank you for cooling down. I did not decline the article (you can see that I didn't add a DYKno template to my comment). I asked for a second opinion, because I'm a novice editor at DYK, and have only began verifying articles for the last few months. I would suggest waiting until a more experienced editor comes by (I have already contacted a regular admin here). It's only been nominated for a few days, so be patient. Yazan (talk) 16:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Personally, I would not approve an article with a "recentism" template. Aside of the question of whether or not it is a "dispute template" (I think it is, and I've added it to that list), additional rules D6 (article should not be a work in progress, it should appear complete) and D12 (DYK approval is subjective) are also relevant. However, it seems to be a moot point in this case, because it looks like the dispute has been resolved on the article's talk page, and the recentism template has been removed. cmadler (talk) 14:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. The article looks fine at this point. It suffers no less then any other article on a 1,000 year-old subject, where more recent events, for which sources are easier to come by, are given a little more coverage then neccesary.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This looks to me like another exercise in POV-pushing from Mbz. Could there be any more demonization of Muslims crammed into this article? Practically every paragraph contains some instance of Muslims "attacking" Jews, none of it with any context whatever. Even the section dealing with the Egyptian government's rebuilding of the synagogue frames the event in terms of alleged government embarrassment over anti-Israel comments and supposed self interest. This just doesn't look ready for the mainpage to me. Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gordonstoun

Gordonstoun House is a 17th century building located on campus

5x expanded by RudolfSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 13:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not yet at 5x expansion. Currently stands at 18,026 characters according to DYKcheck, will need to reach 23,925 to be eligible. Sorry. Nancy talk 10:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I used the Javascript kit and got 22k characters... don't know if one is more accurate than the other? I know that means its technically still short but not by much. Any leeway possible? I was going to wait to expand it further but I can add more to it tonight easy if that will get it to pass. Thanks for the verification though :) ! Rudy 10:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The truth possibly lies somewhere in between - I just dropped the text in to Word and got 20k. I notice that DYKCheck is excluding the "Four pillars" (judges it to be a list due to the bullet points). This would account for the discrepancy between DYKCheck & Word. Nancy talk 11:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't want to be a cop out so I'm working on adding more to it now to bring it over the 24k mark, it shouldn't take long. It would still count right? Rudy 11:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done, I added an extra 5k or so to it. Hopefully its good to go. Rudy 16:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I make it 23,059, according to the gadget installed for me by one of the administrators. A section on individual staff, especially the previous headmasters, might be interesting? Or more about the progress of the various sports teams?--Storye book (talk) 17:55, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you sure it's not making the same mistake by not including the bullet points like mensioned above, i used bullet points but it's not a list, it was used for effect. Never the less my next intended inclusion was a section on Gordonstouns version of school prefects, so I'll add it later tonight so no one has any qualms. Rudy 18:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added another section and another 3k of characters, I hope this was enough. Rudy 00:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expansion verified - well done! Slight concern over "known for its extensive extracurricular activities" - article mentions them all but doesn't say/cite that it the school is particularly known for them. Cite for the 3 generations checks out so we're nearly good to go Nancy talk 06:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Included the "known for extensive yadi yadda" part and cited it, it's in the 4th paragraph of the lead. Rudy 13:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Electric Picnic 2010

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Might be useful for 1 April if there is a shortage. --candlewicke 01:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Orchard Park (Oregon)

Children playing in a playground that includes two large boulders and swings

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 09:36, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length, date, and hook verified. Yazan (talk) 07:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Jim O'Heir

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Kolsky Uyezd

Created by Ezhiki (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Herbert Lütje

5x expanded by MisterBee1966 (talk). Nominated by MisterBee1966 (talk) at 20:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date of expansion confirmed, length fine, hook cited to offline source and accepted in good faith. — AustralianRupert (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Acra (fortress)

Seam along eastern wall of Temple Mount

5x expanded by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 20:04, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I can't confirm this hook because one source is in Hebrew and another in French. Gatoclass (talk) 01:08, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The French source has a significant English section and I've added another English reference. Here's a direct link to the relevant paragraphs - [1]. Poliocretes (talk) 05:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Verified, image verified as CCA. Lead article candidate. Gatoclass (talk) 23:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Old Wellington Inn

A timber-framed building, three floors high with a gabled roof. There are tables and chairs outside

Created by Aiken drum (talk). Nominated by Aiken drum (talk) at 19:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

please not "of its kind" ... everything is the longest, shortest, oldest etc "of its kind" ... you just tighten the definition of kind to exclude houses that don't have doors painted green ... or whatever Victuallers (talk) 09:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
moved three times? Article is a bit vague about this although I don't understand the used of the the building being "raised" ... I thought that meant demolished/destroyed. Victuallers (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not much else to know - the source doesn't specify what its kind is. Aiken 13:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just for you, Victuallers, I have rephrased the sentence in the article about the building having its height raised by 57 inches and then the whole structure being bodily relocated to a different position. I think the article is clear about the second relocation. Yes, the Wellington Inn really was bodily relocated twice. And it was not razed. Why thank you Victuallers (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As for the kind, Aiken drum: it's a Tudor (15th century) half-timbered and gabled building. It probably originally had a jetted first floor (i.e. it jutted out at the front by a foot or two) but the ground floor has apparently been infilled or projected forward beneath the jetty to fill the space. There would have been wattle and daub between the wooden frames, and I guess that would have been replaced with modern plaster during the two moves. For further information, see Timber framing#English tradition.--Storye book (talk) 17:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
thx Storye Book. {{DYKtick)) for second hook. The first one I still find vague although I appreciate you trying to work out what "kind" might mean Victuallers (talk) 21:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify this article has been passed for use with the second hook, is that right? Rudy 13:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Las Virgenes Cristianas Expuestas al Populacho

Las Virgenes Cristianas Expuestas Al Populacho painting by Felix Ressureccion Hidalgo

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date check out but the hook is a bit stale, how about an alternate about how the painting was a landmark in showing how Filipinos could participate in European culture? Rudy 22:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Amy Brandon Thomas

Created by Lord Cornwallis (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 18:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length and hook look good to go. Yazan (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Popular referendum

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 16:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Helga Testorf

  • ... that Helga Testorf, model for more than 240 works by Andrew Wyeth, has been called "the last person to be made famous by a painting"?

Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length and hook verified. The article mentions that the sessions were undertaken in secret, and Wyeth's page claims that the series was completed without either his wife or Testorf's husband aware that she was modeling for him. This could make a much stronger hook. Ceoil (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1... that for 15 years Helga Testorf posed for a famous series of 240 drawings and paintings by Andrew Wyeth, without either of their spouse's knowledge? JNW (talk) 19:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    We have to be careful with ALT1 and this whole secret relationship - interesting, but she is still alive. Materialscientist (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this seems indiscreet; the article says she was not happy with the publicity around the paintings. Ucucha 00:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indre Wijdefjorden National Park

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Rome - Campo Vaccino

Modern Rome - Campo Vaccino (1839 landscape painting)

Created by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 01:11, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 26

Alex Silvagni

Created by The-Pope (talk). Nominated by The-Pope (talk) at 21:44, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Lexington Christian Academy (Kentucky)

  • Comment: The article previously consisted of a substantial copyright violation. Removing the copyright violation left a stub [2] which I count as 305 characters of prose. The current article is 1882 characters of prose, for slightly more than a 6x expansion.

5x expanded by Cmadler (talk). Self nom at 18:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Aaron Livesy

5x expanded by Dannyboybaby1234 (talk). Nominated by Pyrrhus16 (talk) at 14:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am familiar with the term "from a gay angle" but I am not sure what "in a gay angle" means. Would "gay storyline" be clearer? Nancy talk 16:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, "gay storyline" works as well. Thanks, Pyrrhus16 17:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the hook Nancy talk 20:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :) Pyrrhus16 20:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • date, length and hook verified Nancy talk 12:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aniceto Ortega

19th century engraved bust-length portrait of a middle-aged man with a mustache, wearing a suit, high-collared shirt and bow tie

  • ... although Aniceto Ortega (pictured) had a distinguished career as a physician and surgeon in Mexico, he is also remembered today for his 1871 opera Guatimotzin?
  • Comment: The prose character count is 2134 (excluding headings, references, and list of works). The article uses a shortened footnote format for the inline citations. Consult the Sources section for full bibliographic information and links for the citations.

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


AZ-1 Marvelette

Created by Nigel Ish (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 04:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



ALT1: ... that in the 1960s Mississippi State University built an experimental aircraft for the U.S. Army, the AZ-1 Marvelette? - The Bushranger (talk) 05:00, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Herb Steger

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 04:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article creation and length are good, and we can AGF on offline sources, but I think this hook needs to be reworded. The hook as currently written suggests that he played for six years and never lost a game, when in fact he played for seven years, (there was no national rule at the time, but I think Michigan and maybe the whole Big Ten didn't let freshmen play) and he was undefeated in the first six but lost to Illinois and Iowa his senior season at Michigan. cmadler (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added public domain photo. cmadler (talk) 15:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article notes that Steger's 6-year win streak came to an end in year 7 in a famous game against Red Grange. Indeed, the article reviews the grange game at some length. The press wrote extensively about Steger's 6-year streak without a loss, and I don't think the hook is misleading. If you give the full history, about the streak coming an end in year 7 against Red Grange, it might get a bit long. Could try it if needed, though. Cbl62 (talk) 14:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about ALT1 ... that from his freshman year at Oak Park High School through his junior year at the University of Michigan, Herb Steger never lost a game of football?
  • Or ALT2 ... that in his first six seasons playing football, Herb Steger never lost a game?
  • Or ALT3 ... that in his first six seasons playing football, Herb Steger amassed a record of XX-0-X? The record for those two seasons at UM is 14-0-1, but I don't know the record in his years at Oak Park, maybe one of the offline sources gives it. Also, both these hooks assume that he didn't play prior to high school, which would need to be confirmed. Just trying to find alternate ways to word this hook. cmadler (talk) 17:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pipit

Small bird with long tail, thin bill, patterend upperparts and pale underparts stands on a rock

5x expanded by Sabine's Sunbird (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • expansion, date & hook verified. Nancy talk 10:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yugoslav seaplane tender Zmaj

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 02:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Economy of Svalbard, Svalbard Act

a coal areal tramwas surrounded by snow and sunset

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 09:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gossia acmenoides

a single straight tree trunk amid a forest scene

Created by Poyt448 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 07:41, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs

A woman with long black hair wearing a black dress smiles and looks off screen.

Created/expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 01:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tampuhan

Tampuhan painting by Juan Luna

  • Comment: 1,834 characters (no spaces)

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ebla tablets

  • ... that the Ebla tablets, found in ancient Ebla, Syria and date back to 2500 BC, reveal that the city produced a range of beers, including one that appears to be named "Ebla"?

Created by Zozo2kx (talk), Tiamut (talk). Self nom at 01:11, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Parisian Life

The Parisian Life painting by Juan Luna

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

La Bulaqueña

La Bulaquena painting by Juan Luna

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • ...a "Maria Clara dress", no? The origin of this expression deserves a footnote.--Wetman (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Supplied ref mark, tweaked hook to say "Maria Clara outfit" per ref. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:18, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Explanation also added to text of article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lester Reiff

American jockey Lester Reiff in 1900.

  • ... that American jockey Lester Reiff (pictured) was the top jockey in Britain in 1900 but lost his racing license due to involvement in a horse doping ring?

Created by Froggerlaura (talk). Self nom at 00:45, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capilla abierta


Add alt-text!
Add rollover text!

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1966 Soviet submarine global circumnavigation

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gillingham Borough Council v Medway (Chatham) Dock Co Ltd

Nuisance in English law

East Texas Historical Association

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hammam Yalbugha

The interior of the resting hall of the hammam

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 17:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Threatening United States Government officials

Created by Tisane (talk). Nominated by Tisane (talk) at 17:09, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm not finding that statement in the article. Can you clarify which content and source you're referring to? Lord Jimbo (talk) 01:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a source that makes that claim? I see some bits about threats against Federal judges and prosecutors that can be used. Or you can go with something about ... that threatening United States Government officials is a Class C or D felony, usually carrying maximum penalties of 5 or 10 years? But whatever you use it needs to be sourced. As an aside, the statement about Palin seems to be gratuitous and at least needs clarification as to what "vulnerable" means. Those are elected officials vulnerable in upcoming elections targeted for defeat at the ballot box right? Lord Jimbo (talk) 06:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, in light of the circumstances people were construing it as encouraging/condoning violence, although such crosshair depictions are not particularly uncommon as political criticism. The article includes sources backing up the statement that the threat rate against judges has risen from 500 to 1,278 from 2003 to 2008, that threats against prosecutors have risen from 116 to 250 in that same period, and that threats against the IRS increased from 834 in 2008 to 1,014 in 2009, a 21% jump. Tisane (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Threats against Obama have also been four times those against Bush at the same time in his presidency, IIRC. Sceptre (talk) 06:46, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, that's apparently an urban rumour. Sceptre (talk) 06:47, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Before reaching a conclusion one way or the other on that, I would prefer to see a more official statement from the Secret Service, e.g. a response to a FOIA request for threat statistics. Tisane (talk) 13:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

biosocial criminology

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 16:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length & date verified. Login required to verify cite - accepted in good faith. Nancy talk 16:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Would it be possible to have on-line reference for this strong fact? I am also not comfortable with an article on this topic written from one "off-line" source. Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kyaiktiyo Pagoda

  • ... that a glimpse of the "gravity defying" Kyaiktiyo Pagoda or Golden Rock, in the Mon State of Myanmar, is believed to be an inspiration for any person to turn to Buddhism?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 14:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: "Is "termed" the correct word? Shouldn't it be something like "has been said to be", "is believed to be"?--ukexpat (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the suggestion. You are right. I have made the change with "is believed to be" in the hook.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Equilibrium chemistry

Created by Petergans (talk). Nominated by Petergans (talk) at 14:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cryptonanus

Created/expanded by Bruinfan12 (talk), UtherSRG (talk), Ucucha (talk). Nominated by Ucucha (talk) at 12:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SS Cap Tafelneh

Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 10:19, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Johan Poulsen House

Created by Tedder (talk). Nominated by Tedder (talk) at 04:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Honestly, it's the best hook I could come up with. Feel free to suggest others. And yes, there's documented confusion about the reason for immediately selling it. tedder (talk) 04:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ive had this problem! IMO I think the problem of finding a hook is deep seated. The article is 80% about the owner and not the house. Suggest to retitle it as a biography (you can mention his house) and re-present. Or I think the article needs to be added to with a lot about the house and its history. Or leave it as a stub? Victuallers (talk) 07:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's closer to 50/50 on the house, I think. But I've got 4 more days; I'll withdraw this DYK and resubmit it after bulking it up more. tedder (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hermann Baumgarten

Created by Arbitrarily0 (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grueby Faience Companye

Created by Wetman (talk) 20:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)). Self nom at 20:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seems to me the hook needs tweaking. The "familiar" matte green glaze? I'm not buying it. ...that Grueby Faience Company of Boston's matte green glaze tiles produced during American Arts and Crafts were copied by competitors? I also think matte should be a link to a an article on matte finish which is in vogue now, assuming that's what's meant? Lord Jimbo (talk) 02:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 25

Árni Magnússon

5x expanded by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 19:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Karl (1980)

Created by 12george1 (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 17:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please don't use this hook. that 1980's Hurricane Karl evolved at the center of another, larger storm that occupied much of the North Atlantic, and set multiple records for its unusual location and date? is more engaging IMO. (Note: I rewrote the article following its publication.) –Juliancolton | Talk 16:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Laiko Vima

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 13:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would suggest rewording it to 'in the Socialist People's Republic' or to 'during the socialist period'. I also put italics on Laiko Vima. --Soman (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to 'in the S. P's Rep.', thanks.Alexikoua (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Hummer

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Kurt Equiluz

  • Comment: one more suggestion for Good Friday April 2 - to match the St Matthew Passion

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 14:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Llewelyn Kenrick

5x expanded by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 07:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Constantine I and the bishops of Rome

The Baptism of Constantine

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 07:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


William Penn Adair

5x expanded by Uyvsdi (talk). Nominated by Uyvsdi (talk) at 00:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

James E. Boyd (scientist)

Created by Disavian (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • How about something about his expansion of the college and integration of the students? Gatoclass (talk) 03:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cuilapan de Guerrero

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:45, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Atari AMY

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tearoom Trade

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 16:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • minor changes to hook but - (although I'd have gone for a hook about the fist fight over the debate) Victuallers (talk) 08:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Darlington F.C. seasons

Created by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seventeenth government of Israel

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The notion that 'sabra' is to be translated as 'native-born Israeli' is highly problematic. Rabin was born in the British Mandate of Palestine, at a time when the State of Israel did not exist. Moreover, the Sabra article states that "The first sabra Prime Minister of Israel, Yigal Allon (who served as acting prime minister from February to March 1969), was born in Kfar Tavor, and four of Israel's 12 non-acting prime ministers have been born in the region of modern Israel; the current Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is the first and (so far) only sabra Prime Minister to have been born in the modern state since Israel's declaration of independence in 1948." --Soman (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have delinked the term Sabra to avoid this confusion. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't want to be a spoiler, but I still find the hook problematic. Rabin's bio article says he was born in Jerusalem, but not were in Jerusalem. East Jerusalem was not included in the State of Israel upon its foundation in 1948, and its present status is contested. --Soman (talk) 01:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you are being very picky here. We have a reference to a reliable source confirming what the hook says.[3] And even though the boundaries were redrawn in 1948, I really don't think anyone would say that someone born in Gush Etzion in 1935 was not a native-born Israeli. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm, I think Soman has a point. Perhaps you should find a way to re-express this. Gatoclass (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well T:TDYK tends to be, in my experience, the pickiest place in Wikipedia. But in this case there are also political implications. As I'm sure you are aware, there are different ways of viewing the question of Israeli nationhood and Zionism. Is the current state of Israel a direct continuation of a 5000+-year old nation or is it a modern political invention? If one goes by the latter, more secular, argument then there is no pre-1948 Israel and by consequence there were no Israelis until . 'Native' also has different connotations in different contexts, not all Americans born in the U.S. are refered to as Native Americans. But even if we were to accept the notion of 'native-born Israeli', we still have the issue of Yigal Allon having been acting PM in 1969 and being born in a Jewish settlement in Palestine in 1918. --Soman (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I agree with most of that. I might add that I also had some reservations about the quality of the source used for this hook - basically a Zionist advocacy site. So I think that either the hook should be re-expressed to more accurately reflect the actual situation, or else a new hook be found. Gatoclass (talk) 04:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dmytro Tabachnyk

5x expanded by Mariah-Yulia (talk). Self nom at 12:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seems like a rather edgy hook for a BLP. Maybe you can say what his positions are, or why he's controversial? John Doe is accused by... seems like an awkward framing of a DYK hook. Lord Jimbo (talk) 02:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • , I agree. This hook is not suitable for DYK. --Soman (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alwyn MacArchill

  • ... that some historians have considered the 12th century Alwyn MacArchill to have been an ancestor of the Earls of Lennox in the male-line as the first earl, while others have suggested he was only an ancestor in the female-line?

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 09:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 24

Edward Nicolls

Created by Innotata (talk), Acad Ronin (talk). Nominated by Innotata (talk) at 16:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Previously submitted at April Fool's with hook ALT1: ... that when Edward Nicolls took command of HMS Ascension, the "small Sloop" became a Marines garrison island? I don't think it will be taken there. —innotata 16:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Blood Compact



Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United States v. Ballin

  • Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace & moved into it today

Created by Prose072 (talk), ShinyGee (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 23:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook looks good to me. I don't suppose I can vote on approving it. —ShinyG 07:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Various passages, including the sentence which I assume to be relevant to the hook ("The Court started by assuming, though without deciding, that in cases where determining whether a law has been legally passed requires reference to the journal of the House, as was the case here, it must be assumed that the journal speaks the truth.") are copied/closely paraphrased from the sources without attribution, also known as plagiarism. Even if the phrases were given proper attribution, they are unencyclopedic and nearly incomprehensible in their original state because the language used is so archaic. This article needs to be rewritten before it can be featured on the main page. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 04:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Art of Racing in the Rain

Created by 842U (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reworded hook to simplify it. Length, date, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 04:12, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mahamuni Buddha Temple

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 15:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Germany at the 2008–10 European Nations Cup

Created by Calistemon (talk). Nominated by Calistemon (talk) at 15:06, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Truce of Leulinghem

Richard II of England

Created by Charles Edward (talk). Nominated by Charles Edward (talk) at 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This seems like a very strong assertion (opinion) that is only partly supported by the text of the article. There seem to have been a variety of reasons. Perhaps it can be qualified? Lord Jimbo (talk) 03:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ok how about this one.
  • Alt:

Articles created/expanded on March 23

Michael Burry

  • ... that in June 2008, Michael Burry’s Scion Capital LLC, a hedge fund management company, returned 489.34 percent on money invested on November 1, 2000, while the Standard and Poor 500 realized an increase of just over 2 percent over the same period?

Created by Johnnysakko (talk). Nominated by Verne Equinox (talk) at 02:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length, and hook verified. Length of hook over 250 characters; whereas, needs to be reduced to under 200. Calmer Waters 07:21, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...that in less than eight years, Michael Burry’s hedge fund company returned 489.34% to investors, while the Standard and Poor 500 realized just over 2 percent over the same period? Verne Equinox (talk) 10:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oluf Reed-Olsen, Lysaker Bridge sabotage

Andreas Karasiak

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Where does it say they are recording the complete works? Gatoclass (talk) 23:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good question. The project name (seemed too long for the hook) is "Dieterich Buxtehude - Opera Omnia", "Opera Omnia" is Latin and means "works all". They (Ton Koopman and the Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir) did that for the complete Bach vocal works before. I will look for more support tomorrow if needed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • To answer that question in a more general way I wrote a little article that perhaps might be included in the hook like
ALT1 ... that Andreas Karasiak sings tenor parts in the project Dieterich Buxtehude - Opera Omnia to record the composer's complete works? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, not sure that musicwebinternational would qualify as a reliable source. The Opera Omnia article is also rather thinly sourced. Gatoclass (talk) 19:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added a few reviews to opera omnia. I personally got really interested in the historical organs that are unfortunately not covered in English. Opera omnia doesn't have to be highlighted, that was just an idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • What do you think of dropping Opera omnia for now and wait until it will be completed (probably with Membra Jesu Nostri - with some other singer then) and not look at the most unusual Le Laudi (that will require more time to write than I have right now) but
ALT2 ... that Andreas Karasiak recorded Bach's St Matthew Passion, scored for double chorus, with two boys choirs, Knabenchor Hannover and Thomanerchor? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Princeton Tigers men's basketball

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 04:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blessings of the Land

  • Comment: Expanded from 137 characters; now at 1,535 characters.

5x expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United States Senate election in Oregon, 1980

Eruption of Mount St. Helens

Created by Esprqii (talk). Nominated by Esprqii (talk) at 19:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I note that date and length check out, but that the hook is over-long. I suggest ALT1 below. The online citations for the hook are somewhat circumspect about the contribution of the eruption to the diminished turnout, but what the heck - it's a great idea for the hook, a great image, and a satisfactory article.
  • ALT1: ... that interest in several primaries for the 1980 United States Senate election in Oregon was diminished partly due to the eruption of Mount St. Helens (pictured)?--Storye book (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That ALT hook sounds good to me. --Esprqii (talk) 19:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eliza Calvert Hall

  • ...that President Theodore Roosevelt recommended Eliza Calvert Hall's book to "families where the menfolk tend to selfish or thoughtless or overbearing disregard to the rights of their womenfolk"?

Created by FloNight (talk). Self nom at 16:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Which book, or should it be "books"? – ukexpat (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Evidently you did not look at the article since it is mentioned in the lead. :-) FloNight♥♥♥♥ 23:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ...that President Theodore Roosevelt publicly recommended Eliza Calvert Hall's book Aunt Jane of Kentucky?--Storye book (talk) 14:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)i[reply]
This is fine with me. FloNight♥♥♥♥ 16:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 22

Franz Jacob (Resistance fighter)

Created by Marrante (talk). Nominated by Soman (talk) at 22:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length are fine. Foreign language refs for hook AGF. But the article has quite a few paragraphs that are not referenced, we require at least one citation per paragraph. Yazan (talk) 17:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lieu Hanh

Created by NeilHynes (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could you reword this to emphasize that it was repressed because the government didn't like the Taoist influence? Until I read the article, I wasn't sure if it was this or if the government repressed it because the government was Taoist (after all, there's no reason to believe from the hook alone that this was repressed under the Community government), and it's probably not a good idea to have confusing hooks. Nyttend (talk) 12:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Think that should do it, feel free to change it around if you still think it to be confusing NeilHynes (Talk) 13:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would sect be more NPOV terminology than "cult"? Cult has very negative connotations in Western culture. Lord Jimbo (talk) 03:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1... that the worship of Princess Lieu Hanh was supressed by the Vietnamese government because of possible Taoist influence?Thelmadatter (talk) 23:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Saxton

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is an extremely unique event. -- Cirt (talk) 01:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It may be 'unique' or 'extreme', but grammatically it is most definitely not both. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pieter, if one was to go through all the successful DYK's of recent days or weeks, you could say the same for most of them. The article is new, long enough, has a hook cited from the article and is neutral - therefore meets all rules. Orderinchaos 01:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed. But I've proposed an alternate hook directly below that's more catchy. Jayjg (talk) 02:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alt... that the Seven Network program Today Tonight described Aaron Saxton's revelations about the Church of Scientology as "stunning" and "shocking"?

Verified - this is a better hook. Source checks out OK. Orderinchaos 02:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(to avoid premature promotion) - article is at AFD. Materialscientist (talk) 06:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AFD closed as keep. Materialscientist (talk) 09:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Request NPOV assessment of this article. Materialscientist (talk) 10:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Museum of Cretan Ethnology

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 22:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. The hook is too long; please would you kindly provide a more brief version as ALT1? Then I'll check out the citation(s). Thanks. --Storye book (talk) 22:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I note that date, length and citation check out. I think that two phrases in the hook are clumsy, so I suggest ALT1.
ALT1: ... that the Museum of Cretan Ethnology was built to the specification of Georges Henri Rivière, creator of the Musée National des Arts et Traditions Populaires in Paris?

Paige Miles

Created by Banananana88 (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. Two issues:
(1) Both online citations for hook are unavailable. Please could you replace them?
(2) The southern belle mentioned in the hook refers to a 1940s girl in a radio show. The image is inappropriate to the hook as it represents a southern belle of nearly a century too early. I have removed the image.--Storye book (talk) 22:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 20

FV103 Spartan

A small tracked armoured personnel carrier with black and green camouflage pattern, parked on a paved surface. Other tanks and a building are in the background.

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 07:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Isn't it what all APCs are built for - carrying small teams of soldiers? NVO (talk) 19:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • APCs are not used exclusively for carrying specialized teams. This particular vehicle can carry only four passengers so it's not much use in the standard APC role of transporting infantry units to a battlefield. We could add what these specialized teams are (AA teams, fire controllers etc) if this is confusing. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think what the original question and your answer gets at is that there is more interesting and unique qualities to this vehicle than its transporting troops, and it's not clear what's meant by specialized. I think something about carrying 4 people and maybe examples of the specialized teams might be more catchy (and better at getting at what this vehicle is all about?). Lord Jimbo (talk) 03:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about these:
≈ Chamal talk ¤ 11:55, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 19

Aaron Kelly (singer)

Created by Aspects (talk). Nominated by Banananana88 (talk) at 20:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Too many issues. Date doesn't check out. Length doesn't check out at 1336 characters of prose. The online reference does check out the hook, but the article has an additional-citations tag.--Storye book (talk) 12:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is now 1500+characters and cleaned up the cites -- Esemono (talk) 10:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you - the article now has 1669 characters of prose and you have added citations. However expansion began on 14 March, which means it was nominated 6 days after expansion began (should be 5 or fewer), so the date still doesn't check out. I'd suggest putting this one down to experience.--Storye book (talk) 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • From Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules: D8: "Five days old" really means about eight days in Swahili :) . That is, if your article was created or expanded after the last day listed in Template talk:Did you know#Older nominations, it is likely to be approved. Sometimes RL gets in the way of getting back to make nominations. Why publish additional rules if they aren't followed? Maybe this will add to your experience as a a reviewer:) -- Esemono (talk to me) 00:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If as Storye book indicates the length and the cites are okay, I think the date isn't a problem and it should be good to go... Lord Jimbo (talk) 03:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference for the hook is not a reliable source. I also doubt this person is notable for the main page. Materialscientist (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 18

Lacey Brown

Picture of Megan Joy (formerly Corkrey)

Created by Banananana88 (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We just need to wait till the debate closes and then we can re-assess if the community views it as a keep at AFD. Stay tuned Ottawa4ever (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
AFD closed as keep. Materialscientist (talk) 01:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there a picture of Megan Joy for an article about Lacey Brown? I also think the word order should be reversed so the article subject is the subject of the sentence. Lord Jimbo (talk) 03:42, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

new hook.

Would be better if you were to use an image of Lacy brown if you can obtain one. Seems odd to have a hook about her and show a picture of someone else (Just some comments)Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Utility room

5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 05:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is problematic. This is a paid-access citation but I would expect it to be an article about utility rooms becoming more popular than laundry rooms, not about language change as the Wikipedia article seems to claim. Utility rooms (by that name) were a common feature of houses where I grew up in Middle America. Rmhermen (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC) .... and if I wanted etymology I think I'd go to wiktionary as the article advertises. Its an unusual subject for an encyclopedia Victuallers (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies if I was confused about the rules of DYK. I followed this which is why I nominated it. Anyway please let me know if i missed anything from the rules. I'd sure gladly learn from my misses, if any. --TitanOne (talk) 09:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to both the utility room article, and the laundry room article, these are the same thing. So shouldn't it be condensed into one article, with the other name being a redirect? Millifolium (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 17

Maurice Sanford Fox

  • ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments many years before it became a hot topic?

Created by Pjurgensen (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. Citation no.4 checks out the early study in the twentieth century of efficacy of treatment. However I'm not happy with the remainder of the hook: "many years before it became a hot topic". It was certainly a hot topic 200 years previously in the 18th century, when it was mentioned by writers such as Daniel Defoe. Apparently beggars used to show off their cancers, including breast cancer, to get alms from rich people in carriages. In those days no doubt there were plenty of quacks offering supposed cures and discussing efficacy. Also I'm not sure what "it" refers to in the hook: breast cancer? treatment? efficacy? the study? So on those grounds, please may I suggest ALT1:
  • ALT1: ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments as early as 19-? (experts please insert date and re-write hook as ALT2)--Storye book (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can someone please help with a hook for this worthwhile article before the nom times out? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 20:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2: ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments as early as the 1950s?--Storye book (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date and length check out but I can't review my own ALT2 hook. Second opinion, please?--Storye book (talk) 21:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. All checks out. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs/Vote! 04:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, its not looking good at all - there is no single verifiable source confirming his bio. Materialscientist (talk) 04:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 16

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have two concerns with this nomination: 1) The article needs to be copyedited (I'm short on time this week or I'd do it myself). 2) Hook fact doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is there something that might be more interesting about this cantata? Maybe that he originally wrote it in C major, moved it to D major with the first revision, and then moved it back to C major? Or something else? If these are addressed, I recommend adding it to the 3/21 holding area for Bach's 325th birthday. cmadler (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook fact may not seem interesting to you but ask the Bach fellows who claim that he would ALWAYS close with a chorale, - compare this from Cantata (highlighted by me): "The essential point, however, in Bach's church cantatas is that they formed part of a church service. Many of Bach's greatest cantatas begin with an elaborate chorus followed by a couple of arias and recitatives, and end with a plain chorale. This has often been commented upon as an example of Bach's indifference to artistic climax in the work as a whole. But no one will maintain this who realizes the place which the church cantata occupied in the Lutheran church service. The text was carefully based upon the gospel or lessons for the day; unless the cantata was short the sermon probably took place after the first chorus or one of the arias, and the congregation joined in the final chorale." So I think the hook is quite a statement. - But I will keep thinking. - The C - D - major thing is simple: tuning was different in Leipzig, so he switched, but then it got too high for the choir, and he switched back. That would be for specialists only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't really think the key was that big a deal, of course the meaning and significance of key and tonality has changed over time and depending on tuning (equal tempered, just tempered, etc.). But without a certain degree of familiarity with Bach's cantatas it's not apparent that closing with a repeat of the opening chorus is remarkable; it's common in many forms of music (and perhaps even in cantatas by other composers?) to conclude with a repetition of the opening, or at least a restatement. Maybe this hook can be reworded, as we did with BWV 191 ("around 200 cantatas in German but only one...in Latin?") to make it clear the degree to which this is unusual? cmadler (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I wouldn't know immediately a polite way to be more explicit, found that rude enough a way of fighting the so-called "plain chorale". (I don't know a single chorale of Bach - and I know some - that I would describe as "plain".) - I thought about: that Bach loved the piece so much that he still reworked it more than 15 years later, whereas the common thing to do was to compose a new one each year if possible. Would need to be phrased ... ideas welcome for both. (btw I'll be off tomorrow.) o.k. trying one more variation on the theme - and certainly we did the repeat in 2000 and heard interesting comments, nobody believed that it had been Bach himself who wanted it that way, at least in 1714, - no repeat in 1731.:
That's much "hookier" but reads like synthesis. Hekerui (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If that line, perhaps (because "three years after" is not certain):
ALT3 ... that Bach loved his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years after he composed it in Weimar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to the discussion on the work's talk (4 commas in a title?) I changed the title to the hookier and still believe that the title itself is a hook. I didn't change the hook versions above but the title. No link to cantata please - working on it. My next suggestion:
ALT4 ... that Bach wrote Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar and loved his cantata so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years later?
  • restart in front: now that we missed Bach's birthday for this I suggest to reserve it for Pentecost 23 May, the occasion Bach wrote the piece for:
ALT5 ... that Bach wrote the cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar and reworked it in Leipzig 17 years later? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest verifying an interesting and reliable hook - this is much more important than the date of appearance on the main page. No way we shall keep it for 23 May. Materialscientist (talk) 07:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • please not before April 6 then:
ALT6 ... that in 1714 Bach wrote Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar as the third church cantata after his promotion to Konzertmeister? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 14

John Erskine Clarke

Created by Motmit (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length verified. The provided reference suggests the magazine was started in 1859, but I missed a ref for "world's first". Materialscientist (talk) 09:07, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It must be the first in the Anglican Communion, as there is only one higher authority than Cantuar. Whether other denominations have what is called a "parish magazine" and if they do, whether any of them predate this one, is something of which I could find no evidence when I created the Parish magazine article. I was hoping a particular expert (DU) might have picked this up. You could drop "world's", but without it, it could read as just the first in Derby. Over to you. Rgds Motmit (talk) 13:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Does this help? Seems to imply that its the first in the UK and maybe the world. First in Derby would be lame, but "first Anglican" would be a larger claim if refs are not convincing of a larger claim Victuallers (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hm ... IMO, it only confuses the matter. Materialscientist (talk) 04:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Surely " there seems to be general agreement that Erskine Clarke's Parish Magazine (1 Jan 1859) marks the real start of the genre." is pretty clear Victuallers (talk) 19:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(alt)
"A genre" is unclear to my ear (what genre?) Materialscientist (talk) 06:45, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leith Hall

  • ... that Leith Hall in Aberdeenshire, Scotland is said to be haunted by the ghost of Laird John Leith, who was shot in the head on Christmas Day in 1763 during a drunken brawl?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 21:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Both sources ([4] [5]) cited for this fact in the article say he died on Christmas day, but was shot a few days earlier. Are these sources reliable, btw? I've removed the link to 1763 in the hook per MOS:UNLINKYEARS. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 13:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 13

Drs. Foster & Smith

  • ... that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, initially refused to spend any money on internet advertising, despite launching its online operations the same year as Pets.com?
  • Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace over a period of time & moved into mainspace today

Created by ThaddeusB (talk), DFSBrent (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am considering trying to bring this article up to GA status in the future. As such, if the reviewer is willing to assess the article and/or provide constructive criticism I would much appreciate it. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about something like: ALT1 "That Drs. Foster & Smith, a successful pet supply company, spent no money advertising its website, despite competitor Pets.Com's spending millions on its way to bankruptcy in 2000?" About review, I suggest your requesting a wp:PR after DYK is published. I'll comment at Talk page of article about one matter, briefly. --doncram (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd prefer the original. The Drs. Foster & Smith doesn't actually say Pets.com was spending its way to bankruptcy (and the situation was a bit more complicated that just overspending). I'd prefer to keep the article (and hook) focused on F&S rather than go on a tangent as to why Pets.com failed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay to keep focus on Drs. Foster & Smith, and my proposed alt hook was not perfect either. I was bothered, i guess, by vagueness of "initially" and "the same year as" in the proposed hook. Why not give a specific year. How long is initially, anyhow? For one week? For two years? I am not sure any specific length of time is given in the source, either, which seemed a bit vague when i looked for it the other day. I also don't know if the company actually "refused" to web-advertise. Did someone ask them too, and they actually said no? Or is it just observed that they didn't advertise. And does the source actually know that they did not advertise. There are advertising monitoring services which track/estimate advertising dollars spent by companies in various media; I don't think the source cited mentioned checking in one of those, or otherwise stating the reason for its assertion that the company didn't web-advertise. Maybe I am being too literal though. Perhaps another DYK reviewer would/could check and approve of this one. --doncram (talk) 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • All valid points. To address most of them, perhaps ALT2: that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, elected not to spend any money on internet advertising when it launched online operations in 1998, the same year as Pets.com was founded?
Alternatively, a different fact can be chosen:
  • ALT3: that Drs. Foster & Smith owns the two most widely distributed pet product catalogs in the United States?
  • ALT4: that Race Foster and Marty Smith, co-founders of pet supply company Drs. Foster & Smith, hosted the Animal Planet TV show Faithful Friends for two years?
--ThaddeusB (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to promote ALT4 (verified) but would prefer not to have this article on the main page - this would be company promotion and IMO, it just doesn't go well with the WP spirit. Materialscientist (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain. Is there a problem with article, the fact, or are you just against a hook about a commercial product/company appearing on the main page? As far my research shos, the article is neutral; that is, I have merely reported what the sources say. I have no reason of any kind to want to promote the company (never heard of the company before I saved the article from its actually promotional beginnings). --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No slight to you, and the article is Ok for wikipedia; it just leans too much on profit (for the main page). Materialscientist (talk) 03:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So you are saying because I included the company's finances in its article, it is unacceptable for the main page? That doesn't make any sense to me. The financials are one of the most important aspects of a business and any good business article should include that info. I fail to see how focusing on the business side of a business makes it unworthy of the main page - especially when the hook (ALT4) doesn't even mention finances at all. A reader interested in this type of material is a lot better served by neutral article that includes this info than 1) an article that only says what the company does; 2) a COI semi-promotional piece; or 3) no article at all. If anything, an article without any kind of financial information is more likely to "promote" a company (to consumers anyway).
If certain types of articles are going to be discriminated against, then please get consensus to say so in the rules. It is a waste of my time and yours for me to nominate something and you to review it, if the article violates an unspoken rule.
Again, if it is a problem with this article and not just the idea of a company being "promoted" by a link to a neutral, factual article then by all means just say so. You won't hurt my feelings. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

See also

  1. ^ a b c Fox, John, The First Hundred Years: Biographies of the Robes, Benjamin Robinson Curtis. Public Broadcasting Service.
  2. ^ a b Ariens, Michael, Benjamin Curtis.
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference NYT was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Wilson, James Grant. Benjamin Robbins Curtis, Appletons Encyclopedia