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I have been following this scenario on and off for quite some time as a member of [[WP:MILHIST|the Military History Wikiproject]], given that my area of interest coincides with many of the articles mentioned, though I've yet to edit many of them. I won't go into detail about the accusations being flung about by Blablaa and Caden, but the primary reason I've not engaged more fully in these discussions is simple. Blablaa, and especially Caden, respond to any attempts at debate in multiple areas by throwing out grossly uncivil [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] against other users which seem very likely to crimp conversations and attempts to iron out these problems. One only has to look at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Coordinators#Testing_the_water|this section of the MILHIST Coordinators talkpage]] to see Caden making numerous personal attacks against editors attempting to debate the problem. The most flagrant attacks can be seen in this diff: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Military_history%2FCoordinators&action=historysubmit&diff=374616105&oldid=374602076]]
I have been following this scenario on and off for quite some time as a member of [[WP:MILHIST|the Military History Wikiproject]], given that my area of interest coincides with many of the articles mentioned, though I've yet to edit many of them. I won't go into detail about the accusations being flung about by Blablaa and Caden, but the primary reason I've not engaged more fully in these discussions is simple. Blablaa, and especially Caden, respond to any attempts at debate in multiple areas by throwing out grossly uncivil [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] against other users which seem very likely to crimp conversations and attempts to iron out these problems. One only has to look at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Coordinators#Testing_the_water|this section of the MILHIST Coordinators talkpage]] to see Caden making numerous personal attacks against editors attempting to debate the problem. The most flagrant attacks can be seen in this diff: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Military_history%2FCoordinators&action=historysubmit&diff=374616105&oldid=374602076]]


In response to an attempt by [[User: Ranger Steve]] to arbitrate the problems, Caden states that he is "I'm disgusted beyond words. Completely appalled" and seems to claim some kind of conspiracy theory where all editors who are part of MILHIST are biased against himself and Blablaa. I have no idea who is in the right here, but the frequent personal attacks by Caden cannot help matters at all, and nor can Blablaa's frequent and lengthy posts, often added to each other after only a minute or so of posting the previous one. [[User:Skinny87|Skinny87]] ([[User talk:Skinny87|talk]]) 11:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
In response to an attempt by [[User: Ranger Steve]] to arbitrate the problems, Caden states that he is "I'm disgusted beyond words. Completely appalled" and seems to claim some kind of conspiracy theory where all editors who are part of MILHIST are biased against himself and Blablaa. I have no idea who is in the right here, but the frequent personal attacks by Caden cannot help matters at all, especially against a neutral editor attempting to wade into this complex issue and trying to help out, and nor can Blablaa's frequent and lengthy posts, often added to each other after only a minute or so of posting the previous one. [[User:Skinny87|Skinny87]] ([[User talk:Skinny87|talk]]) 11:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


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Despite advice, guidance, mediation attempts and sanctions, Blablaaa (who first started editing Wikipedia as an anon in late 2009) has consistently failed to conduct himself according to Wikipedia community standards, to the point where multiple articles and talk pages across various spaces are regularly disrupted with walls of text, personal attacks, harassment and tendentious argument.

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Since late 2009 Blablaaa has been active on numerous Second World War-related articles, mainly those concerning the Normandy Campaign and the Eastern Front. From the first, his tendency has been to seek to minimise German losses or excuse German defeats by engaging in unusually persistent and tendentious argument about relative strengths, casualty figures and the like. While he occasionally has a valid correction or improvement to offer, his repeated violations of community standards have made engaging with him extremely unpleasant to the point where many editors (including those who have tried to offer mediation and guidance) no longer wish to work with him, and progress on many articles has become difficult or non-existent.

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I have been following this scenario on and off for quite some time as a member of the Military History Wikiproject, given that my area of interest coincides with many of the articles mentioned, though I've yet to edit many of them. I won't go into detail about the accusations being flung about by Blablaa and Caden, but the primary reason I've not engaged more fully in these discussions is simple. Blablaa, and especially Caden, respond to any attempts at debate in multiple areas by throwing out grossly uncivil personal attacks against other users which seem very likely to crimp conversations and attempts to iron out these problems. One only has to look at this section of the MILHIST Coordinators talkpage to see Caden making numerous personal attacks against editors attempting to debate the problem. The most flagrant attacks can be seen in this diff: [[1]]

In response to an attempt by User: Ranger Steve to arbitrate the problems, Caden states that he is "I'm disgusted beyond words. Completely appalled" and seems to claim some kind of conspiracy theory where all editors who are part of MILHIST are biased against himself and Blablaa. I have no idea who is in the right here, but the frequent personal attacks by Caden cannot help matters at all, especially against a neutral editor attempting to wade into this complex issue and trying to help out, and nor can Blablaa's frequent and lengthy posts, often added to each other after only a minute or so of posting the previous one. Skinny87 (talk) 11:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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