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:::::I guess we can only dream of matching such lofty standards of sources and referencing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptic_(U.S._magazine)#cite_ref-3] Follow reference 6 (the only one I looked at), it doesn't even support the claim. [[User:Noirtist|Noirtist]] ([[User talk:Noirtist|talk]]) 12:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I guess we can only dream of matching such lofty standards of sources and referencing. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptic_(U.S._magazine)#cite_ref-3] Follow reference 6 (the only one I looked at), it doesn't even support the claim. [[User:Noirtist|Noirtist]] ([[User talk:Noirtist|talk]]) 12:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::You're a marvel Noirtist! It's a little depressing to see how prevalent skeptic fanboyism is around here - more genuine skeptics like Clarke and Sagan were at least open minded enough to demonstrate that real skepticism is an overarching mindset, not a pro-science cult. What interests me is when you have purported scientists on here, who are professed Christians, effectively trolling reincarnation pages. Which of their incompatible beliefs is feeling more threatened I wonder?? Anyway, good on you Noirtist, you're a terrific editor. Cheers, [[User:Blippy|Blippy]] ([[User talk:Blippy#top|talk]]) 23:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


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Almost none of the references in this article appear to be independent of this project. All Wikipedia articles need in-depth coverage which is independent from their topics to meet the notability criteria. Can you find more news stories, etc, on this? Nick-D (talk) 07:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{help me}} Amazing how you discover useful things when you read the welcome message fully! I received the notability flag and have been updating the page to address this issue. I believe I have done so now, but am not sure about the correct protocol from here... I've been harrassing Nick-D (well, he may be kind enough to not consider it harrassment) about the matter, but now realise that the "help me" route is perhaps the correct one. Essentially I'm not sure how to go about clearing the tag. Do I 'undo' the tag in the edit section now that I think I've met the criteria, do I request Nick-D to review it, or is there a notability forum somewhere that deals with such things? Thanks in advance for any clarity Blippy (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What notability tag are you referring to? fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 08:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC) Nvm, I got it.[reply]
Removing the tag is unneccessary, however if you wish to, you can. fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 08:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When you say unnecessary does that suggest that it will go away of its own accord eventually? It's a bit ugly having a tag there, so I'd prefer it wasn't there if it no longer has to be... thanks for your prompt response fahadsadah. Blippy (talk) 08:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, it won't, but someone will remove it eventually if you don't. It's better that way. fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 08:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh poo. I just removed it. I'll put it back. Thanks fahadsadah. Blippy (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely no need. I'll remove it again for you. fahadsadah (talk,contribs) 08:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks fahadsadah - sorry to be a pain. I'm amazed at how quickly people get things done and make such positive contributions. Thanks again. Blippy (talk) 08:41, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Two mass media stories isn't really much to establish notability. Sources from the educaton department can't be used to establish notability as they're not fully independent of the subject of the article. That said, I'm not going to nominate the article for deletion or anything as I suspect that more sources will be available for something like this, so good luck with digging up more. Nick-D (talk) 10:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Nick, I'll certainly keep looking! Blippy (talk) 10:55, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Berry Street requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. RadioFan (talk) 14:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! That really was a speedy deletion!! I hadn't even had a chance to come back to tidy it up and add additional content. Berry Street is one of the oldest charities on the planet. You seem to have quite an itchy trigger finger there RadioFan!! Is there some way to restore what was previously done so I can continue with my edits??Blippy (talk) 01:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you can provide references to confirm notability and write the article in a properly encyclopedic tone, then you're always free to start a new article. Speedy deletion doesn't necessarily mean that no article can ever exist at the title, only that the particular version of the article doesn't meet our rules. Bearcat (talk) 08:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Bearcat - very happy to comply, but I would have thought that a non-offensive article might be granted at least 12 hours before it's zapped! Is there any way to reclaim my previous efforts? Cheers, Blippy (talk) 08:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll restore it to your userspace for you — it'll be at User:Blippy/Berry Street. Bearcat (talk) 08:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Terrific! Thanks for that Bearcat, much appreciated. Blippy (talk) 11:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

You are suspected of sockpuppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Blippy. Thank you.. KillerChihuahua?!? 12:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Ian Stevenson. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. This is for your information and so you don't accidentally break 3RR. Sorry it is strongly worded, but it's a standard template. Verbal chat 12:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No probs - KillerChihuahua passed comment on the hostile wording of some of the templates. Thanks for the information - certainly not an edit war though! Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reverts don't have to be to the same version - that still counts as edit warring. Cheers, Verbal chat 13:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh perhaps I don't understand then. Can you spell that out a little more? That was my first revert ever (as far as I'm aware) - I thought I'd been pretty much doing the right thing trying to discuss changes before making them... Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you undo any change, that is basically a revert. 3 such is the absolute limit. It does not mean 3 reverts to the same version, and neither is it a right. Self-reverts (where you undo yourself) are usually exempt, unless they're disruptive. Partial reverts can also count... The idea is to stop edit warring from starting. Verbal chat 13:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh OK, so if I add back in part of something that was removed (not using the undo button) on the same article, then that counts as a revert. Is that right? Thanks for the clarification - slooowly getting there :-) Blippy (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, best to propose it on the talk and others will do it if they agree. Verbal chat 13:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that's handy to know. I just went through my revision history and I think I've well and truly blown the 3RR! Woops. Think I'll call it a night!! Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Insight

Thank you for taking the trouble to participate in the naming debacle concerning Biržai. Hopefully you got a feel for my objections of having "agendas" propagated under the auspices of the "rules". Sorry, but "google hits" are a personal bone of contention of mine and much less meaningful than the undue weight they are given. For a better insight as to where I am coming from, please read my edits and comments at the Trujillo article and its respective talk page. Dr. Dan (talk) 04:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dr. Dan. Thanks for your feedback. Yes I think I see what you mean - certainly some spurious stuff on that page! I think you're absolutely right that Google is a tool that needs to be used with ones' brain fully engaged! Cheers, Blippy (talk) 04:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment on Birzai/Birze. As an aside, note that the case of Trujillo and the case of this town are completely incomparable and in fact I did spend a good bit of effort analyzing the Google book hits.radek (talk) 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the thanks radek. Yes I think you did a very thorough job looking at that material on the Birzai page. I suppose that's the beauty of 3O, it just helps to highlight the good stuff that may have been obscured by other issues. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 02:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Blippy. You have new messages at Verbal's talk page.
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Verbal chat 13:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

3O?

Hi. I saw that you took two 3Os off of the list, but it doesn't look like you actually give any opinions on them. Mind if I ask why you took them off, then? — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 13:16, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ummmm.... did you read my edit summary? Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh - sorry, i think that sounded harsh! What I meant was that I thought I explained the Chinese Characters one in the edit summary - I went to offer a 3O but someone had already done the job. I checked again a while later and it was still on the list so I took it off. I was in the middle of dealing with the Baseball one when you wrote your comment. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, that's alright. Sorry for sounding like a dick there, I just wasn't sure what was going on. Thanks for the help on 3O, BTW. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 13:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No probs! Sorry I sounded snippy myself. I'm actually enjoying the 3O stuff - it's a great way to learn about several of the policies pretty quickly. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

July 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to the page Wikipedia:Third opinion has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 05:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unconstructive? How so... the 3O listing suggested there was a dispute. I saw no evidence of a dispute at all - there were two comments, one from 2007 and the other from the person posting the 3O. I was merely encouraging the editor to have some confidence in their actions. Or perhaps I've miscontrued the nature of their request...? Cheers, Blippy (talk) 05:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your edit. My apologies. Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 06:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of you to acknowledge Leo. Thanks. I'd started to think I'd done the wrong thing! I might just add a clarification on the page in question to make sure I convey what I meant to convey. If you misread it, then there's a good chance I haven't been clear enough. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 06:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stevenson

I'm currently taking a look through the history so I can understand what the issues have been. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 11:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks SV - there's been a bit of edit warring going on, which I'm trying to keep out of now - it seems pretty futile just making changes if you don't bring people on board first. The hard part is trying to get them to engage in a dialogue though! I realise I have entrenched views too, though. Any light you can shed will be very very welcome! Cheers, Blippy (talk) 12:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you might be pleasantly surprised. TTFN. Burberry southsea (talk) 15:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well Burberry s., what can I say other than WOW! Spectacular effort! I can honestly say that my faith in WP has been restored, I was very close to chucking the whole thing in if the dominant view of some of the other editors proved to be correct. Incidentally, do you know if we are supposed to do anything else about that sock puppet thing, or will it just go away by itself? Cheers, Blippy (talk) 05:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the barnstar, Blippy, it's very kind of you. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 12:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I only wish I could do more! I've been having a fairly unpleasant WP experience of late, and your involvement, perspective, and contribution have been remarkably heartening. So thank you once again - I'll stop effusing now!  :-) Cheers, Blippy (talk) 13:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please reconsider your last post to the talk page, and refactor appropriately. Verbal chat 11:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Americanism

Hi. Thanks for taking this 3rd opinion. I can't get any of the links in your comment work.... Noloop (talk) 15:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have you abandoned this? Noloop (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No! I've been keeping an eye on things and thought they seemed to be progressing, have I missed something? Cheers, Blippy (talk) 14:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question re Reincarnation research, people, and UoV

Hi, are you connected in any way to the people or topics you are contributing to? Your edits are suggestive of a possible conflict of interest, WP:COI, and for transparency you should declare any connection (personal or professional). I have no connection to these people or groups, or any "skeptical" groups either. Thanks, Verbal chat 08:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure your statementis entirely truthful Verbal - you appear to be associated with at least two cultures entirely inimical to Stevenson's work. But as you asked nicely, I'm very happy to declare my complete lack of connection, association, involvement or knowledge of any person/group that has anything to do with the people and groups you've alluded to. Perhaps you could return the favour and tell me how often you pose such questions to those pushing the "other" views on those pages e.g. KC, DG, LL, PS ? I wonder, if the number of times you have asked them is ~0, whether you would agree this is suggestive of bias on your own part? Cheers, Blippy (talk) 12:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If they appear linked to the subject I do. PS has his "possible" CoI documented on his talk. Which bit of my statement do you think appears untruthful? The only groups I'm a member of are some official scientific bodies to do with my work, irrelevant to this area, and the UK civil rights group Liberty. Verbal chat 18:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hi Verbal, my reply was less friendly than you deserved, so I'm sorry for that. I feel my efforts have triggered quasi-personal attacks (sock puppet, coi), rather than responses to my arguments. I fear I slipped on a similar banana skin with my response to you. What I was clumsily pointing out is that we all have our blinkers through our convictions, be they scientific, Christian, political etc. It's sometimes hard to step back and see the points being made on their merits. I believe that any perspective can be found reasonable given enough information for us to put on the other person's mocassins, so to speak. Unfortunately this isn't a transitive process, however. Cheers Blippy (talk) 23:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See you in a few weeks. Here's a going away present.

Daily mail UK newspaper finds and cites him as an authority in his field http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-562154/I-died-Jerusalem-1276-says-doctor-underwent-hypnosis-reveal-life.html

On a programme called Friendly Fire as a subject matter expert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKT5UsKoqM

The UK Channel 5 documentary The Boy Who Lived Before (2006) follows Jim Tucker’s investigation of a case involving Cameron Macaulay http://www.ianlawton.com/rsvideos.htm

That’s three clear appearances in mainstream media on both sides of the Atlantic found after only two or three minutes on the internet. Burberry southsea (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah you're a marvel Burberry!! Enjoy your time away. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 06:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible edit war on Arthur C. Clarke

Hi Blippy; I was recent changes patrolling when I noticed that you've made two reverts lately on Arthur C. Clarke. I notice that in your latest edit summary you say you'd like to discuss it; that's a good thing. A reminder that if another editor reverts your latest edit, by reverting it you'll have broken the three revert rule. Just a reminder, I'd hate to see someone who's willing to discuss an article get blocked for 3RR. :-) Have a great day. GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 22:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No worries GrooveDog, thanks for the friendly reminder. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 12:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

english is not my first language.

That is right. English is not my first language. That is cool, I took no offense. I apologize for not expressing myself clearly. My objections concern same sex marriage#Arguments concerning children and the family section. Specifically, the second paragraph which states:
"The scientific research has consistently shown that lesbian and gay parents are as fit and capable as heterosexual parents. [103][106][107] Research has documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment."
First, in my judgment, no scientific research is concerned with parental fitness issues of any kind. Therefore, wording the sentence like this sounds awkward.
Second, even though the social science research quoted here did not document any relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment, it did not prove that no relationship exists.
My edit would phrase the sentence the manner in which it is phrased in the research itself
from:
"The scientific research has consistently shown that lesbian and gay parents are as fit and capable as heterosexual parents. [103][106][107] Research has documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment."
To:
"There is no evidence to suggest that lesbian and gay parents are less fit or capable than heterosexual parents. [103][106][107] Research has not documented any relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment."
gorillasapiens (talk) 02:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tucker

On the Tucker page I've tried to move things on. I addressed the concerns about book promotions with multiple media sources and then the argument immediately changed into a debate about whether Tucker's research, which is clearly conducted within academia, is academic enough to count as academic for mighty Wikipedia. Anyway, I don't see any point in chasing wild geese anymore and have requested that since notability cannot be agreed upon that we take the next steps and move to delete, merge or keep. Hope you don't mind me trying to move things forward in this way.Noirtist (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to worry about from me Noirtist, I love your work and enjoy collaborating with you. I was going to call for a 3O to help settle it, but your approach is good. I'm losing faith that we aren't dealing with some trollish behaviour, so it's nice to have your positive input. Cheers Blippy (talk) 05:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I put in a 3O request anyway - they seem to attract fairly neutral editors from what I've seen so far. It might help in a similar way to SlimVirgin's appearance on the Stevenson page - although unlikely to be as prolific!! Cheers, Blippy (talk) 07:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty much done with Tucker now. I really can't be bothered to argue about whether research conducted within academia is academic! It's clear that this is just about having the tag as a means of diminishing the man on wiki. Bit sad really, but it's not the worst thing in the world. I suspect that the article will sit there as is because there is no real possibility of deletion given what has been set by precedent. Noirtist (talk) 10:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed something really funny about the tag. The article currently has 18 lines of text and 18 references, which makes it quite possibly, line for line, the best referenced article in the whole of Wikipedia. And yet, the tag says more are needed. Perhaps one after every word. Compare for example, the article on the finest of all books The Skeptic Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience!!!Noirtist (talk) 11:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we can only dream of matching such lofty standards of sources and referencing. [1] Follow reference 6 (the only one I looked at), it doesn't even support the claim. Noirtist (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're a marvel Noirtist! It's a little depressing to see how prevalent skeptic fanboyism is around here - more genuine skeptics like Clarke and Sagan were at least open minded enough to demonstrate that real skepticism is an overarching mindset, not a pro-science cult. What interests me is when you have purported scientists on here, who are professed Christians, effectively trolling reincarnation pages. Which of their incompatible beliefs is feeling more threatened I wonder?? Anyway, good on you Noirtist, you're a terrific editor. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 23:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The third opinion should only be used for disagreements between two editors. Multiple editors are involved at Jim Tucker, and there is already an ongoing RfC. Thanks, Verbal chat 09:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]