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:See my attempt: [[Benjamin Fondane]]. I preferred the version without IPA for ''Barbu'', because it would just amplify the already messy lead, without really giving any useful information. But if you want to add it, you can copy+paste the code for this: {{IPA-ro|ˈbarbu|}} (see what I mean?). — [[User:AdiJapan|<font color="#048">'''Adi'''</font>]][[User Talk:AdiJapan|<font color="#37B">Japan</font>]] 13:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
:See my attempt: [[Benjamin Fondane]]. I preferred the version without IPA for ''Barbu'', because it would just amplify the already messy lead, without really giving any useful information. But if you want to add it, you can copy+paste the code for this: {{IPA-ro|ˈbarbu|}} (see what I mean?). — [[User:AdiJapan|<font color="#048">'''Adi'''</font>]][[User Talk:AdiJapan|<font color="#37B">Japan</font>]] 13:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

==Yep==
Yep, you don't even let me finish, and yes, you're being a smart ass. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 01:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:''When'', ''when'' are you done? ''When'', ''when'' am I supposed to know that you're done? Really, why do you not at least inuse it, and why do you really have to do this in short steps or not at all? And do spare me the theories about how I'm being a smart aleck or a smart ass or whatever: whatever you think I have been doing to hurt your feelings, these epithets are not inviting intelligent, mature, conversation. Get over this already. [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] ([[User talk:Dahn#top|talk]]) 01:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
::You're obviously the one not mature enough to realize you can point these things out without being a smart ass, YOU need to get over it. And in case you forgot, it was you who wrote the snarky edit summaries today, not me, and you who deleted the first thread today with proof thereof from your talk page, not me.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 01:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Whatever. [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] ([[User talk:Dahn#top|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:::To [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADahn&action=historysubmit&diff=367109530&oldid=367109196 your PS]: since you're referring to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADahn&action=historysubmit&diff=367105848&oldid=366983572 this message] and stating some trumped up claim about it, let me clarify my actions. I deleted it not out of a wish to hide "proof" (Jesus!), but because I wanted to avoid a nonsensical conversation around your misconceptions - and it seems I should have tried harder, since you kept coming back to this. Of the three edit summaries you cite: the first is in reference to your claim that something never happens which happens so very often, in the hope that you will pay more attention to what you're doing; the second is genuine surprise, as the bit I erased is a glyph on my display, and I didn't even know what I was erasing (just that it shouldn't have been there); the third one is genuine advice - we really all could do without the haste, you included (''again'', consider that, once saved, a hook with errors becomes way harder to notice and correct). Nothing in that deserved the infuriating headline "Cut the smart aleck comments" and absurd warning "Such summaries need to cease immediately", as used in your reply, nor the borderline trolling above. Now please. [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] ([[User talk:Dahn#top|talk]]) 01:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
::::This is genuine advice, I, we, could all do without the snarky edit summaries, THAT was borderline trolling, but not to worry, you got what you wanted, I'm gone from DYK, tootaloo! Count me as another driven away from DYK by the environment there.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 01:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Look, I could've gone with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARlevse&action=historysubmit&diff=367063918&oldid=367059027 a trout], that would not have been "snarky"... For the rest: not really my problem. You seem to have a problem with accepting criticism, so sensitive a problem that it frankly hinders the tasks at hand. You also seem to have a point to prove about how your definition of "friendly" is more important than my our common definition of "practical", and imply that all those who disagree are trolling. All of this while you yourself are calling names and writing big words in big letters.
:::::I'm sorry this has to be your decision, but please don't make it look like I should accept responsibility - I do not and will not. [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] ([[User talk:Dahn#top|talk]]) 01:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it is, so accept it and deal with it. You were not critcizing, you were being a smart ass and if you can't see that, that's indeed your problem, not mine. And this is my absolute last post on this topic.<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 01:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I still do not, and that's that. Also, as I keep telling you, what you decide to read into my posts is really not an objective issue I feel I should take into account (except perhaps to express my dismay that you can somehow equate summaries that are the very most slightly ironic with macho name-calling and illegitimate warnings). [[User:Dahn|Dahn]] ([[User talk:Dahn#top|talk]]) 02:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==Re: Juan José Carbó and his image==
That is up for debate and a couple of admins are looking at the issue. You don't need to lecture me on the DYK page. If you have issues, there is a template that can be placed on a user talkpage and then expounded upon there. I have 20 DYKs in less than two months; ergo, I know something about nominating/creating articles and hooks. ----[[User:Morenooso|moreno oso]] ([[User talk:Morenooso#top|talk]]) 04:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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This user declares his annoyance at browsing through articles initiated by US or UK users which fail to mention that the theme has to do with one of the two countries (arguably because they assume that English language wiki means "English/American wiki").

Happy Easter!

And my apologies for my prolonged silence — visiting hours at the château are few and far between :P Well, more later, but keep up the good work and have a prosperous spring. - Biruitorul Talk 05:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Ceausescu execution video

Excuse me, I'm asking this question to a couple of people because it's urgent. Is the footage made on Nicolae Ceausescu's trial and execution in public domain or is it copyrighted? Thanks. --Vitilsky (talk) 17:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Pann

Salut! Intradevar, originea lui Pann este incerta, dar faptul ca "un singur grup" sustine originea lui roma este irelevant, intrucat era de asteptat ca majoritarilor sa nu le placa ideea ca unul din oamenii importanti ai culturii romane se trage dintr-o familie de romi. Este eterna poveste. In fine, sint de acord ca categorisirea lui ar trebui sa tina cont de aceasta incertitudine, totusi "Romani people and Romanipen in Romania" este mai degraba pt "entitati" relevante pt romi, decat pt indivizi. Chiar nu stiu care ar fi cea mai buna solutie. Kenshin (talk) 08:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nu chiar... in cartea "Elite rome", scrisa de 2 romani, este trecut si Anton Pann. Kenshin (talk) 08:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cred ca abordarea cea mai buna este "origine disputata, probabil roma". Cu siguranta ca au existat si neromi care sa practice caldararia, dar marea lor majoritate au fost romi, asa ca daca e sa o luam stiintific/matematic asta e teoria cea mai probabila. Plus inclinatia lui catre zona asta si chiar si infatisarea lui. Niste categorii de genul "Persoane cu posibila origine.." ar fi utile, dar asta ar deschide o imensa cutie a Pandorei, pt ca foarte multe personalitati din trecut, de peste tot, au origini incerte. O sa scot si cartea aia de la naftalina, ca nici n-am citit-o, doar am rasfoit-o. Kenshin (talk) 07:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Felix Aderca

Updated DYK query On April 9, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Felix Aderca, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
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Raoul Sorban

Hi, should you have the time, could you check the recent edits on ro.wiki's Raoul Sorban article. Thanks, Plinul cel tanar (talk) 14:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Creanga (reply)

Dahn, you make a mountain out of a mole-hill. You have drawn a conclusion about me too quickly and you categorized me as a bad person without reason. I had not noticed that he was born 25 years before the union and I was wrong there (I take my fault).

I am not a Romanian nationalist at all, I just try to be fair. If you would follow my edits you would find for example that I added text where the perception of Michael the Brave as an unifier is debunked. I really think that your response was overly harsh, because It was only a innocent mistake. Greetings. (Umumu (talk) 09:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Magyarization article

Can you please give me a more detailed explanatiin about the reasons of your revert on the artcile Magyarization? Because I don't understand what I did wrong

All the inane gibberish is from Britannica, United Roumania, By Charles Upson Clark and Racial problems in Hungary, by Robert William Seton-Watson and Ethnic Minorities from Romania in Documents from the Nations’ Society (1923-1932) (Umumu (talk) 22:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]


clumps of unattributed text - all the text is presented in the exact form the sources, I did not change anything. I am really sorry you reverted that and I want to understand what I did wrong (Umumu (talk) 22:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]


I don't understand what you want to say. Sorry... (Umumu (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Serbs in Romania

Salut, sper ca nu te deranjez daca vorbesc in Romana? Am citit despre Sarbi si am ajuns si aici, daca poti sa te uiti aici te rog. Zice multe fara referinte, si sincer imi vine greu sa cred ca Sarbi au facut vreodata populatia majoritara in Timisoara. Multumesc. iadrian (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mersi pentru raspuns. Stiu ca Romani nu erau majoritari in Timisoara in anumite periode doar nu am auzit(vazut prin documentatie) niciodata ca Sarbi erau majoritari. Prin Timisoara Unguri si Germani in afara de Romani erau majoritari, dar de alta natiune nu stiu daca ar fii. Multumesc. Nui nici o graba, doar ca am dat peste asta si sunt putin curios pentru ca nu exista nici o data pentru faptul asta si stiu destul de bine istoria Sarbilor. iadrian (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Romania in the Early Middle Ages

I read your comments, but everything that I asked to be done was done even though the sourcing was not what it seemed. If you can add the sourcing for the information you need and can get it up to FA, do it. As far as this being delisted from GA, that is not my call. Another user will have to do this. I understand your concerns, but the GA has already been made. Chris (talk) 21:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Madgearu quote

2008 edition ISBN is right; the original is available at MNIRCristianChirita (talk) 20:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've bought the book two week ago, from Romanian National Hystory Museum, stil the date is 2008 ISBN 978-973-8966-70-3 and then another cod 355(398)"0275/0376" 2008 Editor Dan iulian Margarit Claudiu Stan, my edition has 139 pages (140 if you consider that one is blank http://www.cetateadescaun.ro/uploads/products_files/jjoRoh7k9I.pdf), and starting from page 116 is an abstract in english.So the quote was an exact transliteration and not a translation.CristianChirita (talk) 19:34, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Hunyadi

Thanks for the message. I am not very active on wikipedia these days, being quite busy in the real world and all. Concerning John Hunyadi, the whole debate is sickening. The man was a noble-man of the Apostolic Kingdom of Hungary, a Catholic knight and a crusader and it is highly unlikely that he would have even be able to grasp the concept of ethnicity as we use it today. However, for all that's worth all contemporary sources as well later ones (XVIth century) explicitly designate him as Vallachian. The contested reference (see talk page) to Pope Pius II (it's from the Cosmographia) is perfectly valid and beyond all ambiguity, the man describes the Vallachians, their language he is perfectly aware of whome the Vallachians are and explicitly identifies Hunyadi as one of them. Nicholas Olahus' patent of nobilty dated to 1541 contains a laudatio of his latin Vallachian origins and quotes both John and Mathia Hunyadi among his ancestors. Every notable medievalist, Hungarian, Romanian or what have you, relates the Hunyadis to Vallachia (speculating on the more distant origins of the family is something else!). As far as I stand undue weight is still given to other theories, Lendvai and Molnar are quoted abusively as I've already stated(they do not say what the article has them say), and the Corvinus Library source is fringe. Plinul cel tanar (talk) 22:17, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Viaţa Basarabiei

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(A fine new article, by the way.) Do drop in at the other place so I can talk without fear of reprisal. - Biruitorul Talk 02:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My head is still spinning from the latest developments, and I myself am quite dezumflat for now. You are totally right, and I will comment on your post there later today. I'm just leaving this note here so I don't have to sign in there for now - there's plenty other stuff waiting to jump out at me there -, but also so you don't think I'm ignoring you (after all, I was the one to pester you for a reply). Sursum corda. Dahn (talk) 10:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I thought this was a new low in that unpleasant cycle of AfDs (let's show two guys shaking hands to prove our case!), but then I saw this! "Here's a group of random people having lunch - that's our new ticket." Not to mention the abuse of the fair use exception. - Biruitorul Talk 21:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Luca Caragiale

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Alexandru Robot

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Your DYK

I approved your DYK for Emil Isac. Joe Chill (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Emil Isac

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Special request

Dahn, Pohta ce-am pohtit/Pcap suggested you might take an interest in writing an article on an event in modern Romanian history. In 1982, Ceausescu purged about 350 members of the government, including a cabinet member, who practiced Transcendental Meditation. He sent them to work as unskilled laborers, perhaps in imitation of Mao's Cultural Revolution. Here's an article from five years ago: "Revolutia culturala" - Afacerea "Meditatia transcendentala" Pcap says there's an entire book about it. I've come across a meager few articles in English, but I can contribute those and writing effort. Or, if you want, I could start the article with those sources, and you could correct it and fill in details from any Romanian language sources. Interested?   Will Beback  talk  09:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PS: This could be devoted to this one issue, in which case it might be only 500 words or so. Or an more complete article might cover all of "The Small Cultural Revolution" ("Mica revoluţie culturală"), with this event as just one small episode. I guess that would depend partly on what sources are available.   Will Beback  talk  09:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Super! There's no rush at all. Put it at the bottom of your agenda, if you like. Transcendental Meditation affair (Romania) is on the right track. 1982 Romanian Transcendental Meditation purge? But whatever the title the focus on this particular event sounds logical. It'd be at an intersection of both Romanian history and the TM movement, plus connected to the biographies of involved parties.
I suggest that we see what we can find in sources first. From my experience, once the sources are at hand it's easy to write the article. Why don't we set up a sources page, I can copy in the meager sources I can contribute, and if you can find more that'd add to the soup. Whenever we have time to start drafting will be soon enough.   Will Beback  talk  10:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. I found several mentions in miscellaneous pubs archived by Google, including one that calls it a "notorious scandal". I've got a good library system for books in English, and access to some with journals. I'll check with those. Let's work at User talk:Will Beback/TM-R for the time being.   Will Beback  talk  11:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination for D. Iacobescu

Hi! I have reviewed your DYK nomination for D. Iacobescu, and identified several problems. Please visit the nomination discussion for a full explanation, and if you feel you have addressed my concerns feel free to leave a message on my talk page inviting me to reassess the nomination. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have replied to your rebuttal (still not approved). It's not personal, it's just my understanding of the DYK rules. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have read your message on my talk page and interpreted it as "Thank you for taking the time to review my DYK nomination, which until you visited it had languished in the queue for two weeks. I disagree with your opinion but nevertheless I appreciate the time you have spent arriving at it." With that in mind, I don't intend to revisit this nomination. My opinion stands and you're welcome to try and convince another editor to disagree with it. Congratulations on a good article, whether or not you manage to surmount the technicalities of DYK. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • You know, if you'd just spend as much time improving the article or the hook as you've spent improving your argument at DYK, the nomination would probably be approved by now. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Reviewing articles at DYK is on a volunteer basis. When I spend my time to review a nomination, you're certainly not obliged to agree with me, but it would be polite to acknowledge that I don't owe you anything, avoid words like "absurd" in replying to me, and acknowledge that I am doing my best to help you create a hook that meets the community-agreed DYK rules, which state the hook must include a definite fact that "must be mentioned in the article" - not "must be able to be extrapolated from the article". I think we can both agree that building good articles is more productive than arguing on DYK, so next time you get a hook knocked back can I suggest you just go make a better article? You get the same result at the end of the day as you will from arguing the point, you don't end up offending people who are just trying to help you get your hook featured, and the article ends up clearer, more detailed, or more readable. Materialscientist has okayed your hook now - which I don't agree with, but I don't have to - so take this all as lessons learned for next time. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • Read WP:OR: Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If a source says he went to high school, and another source says he died at age 19, it is an impermissible synthesis to say "he died shortly after going to high school" unless you can find a source that explicitly states that. (For example, he might have been a child prodigy who finished high school at age 15.) If you think WP:OR means something different, that's great, but take it up at the WP:OR talk page; don't give me grief for a literal application of community-agreed policy. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for D. Iacobescu

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK

No worries, and apologies for seeming to be bandwagoning. I try not to get involved in disputes, or at least to be as neutral as possible when I'm pulled into them. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 00:25, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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UH

Uh, would you mind not editing a prep while I'm right smack in the middle of adding stuff? RlevseTalk 23:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RERlevseTalk 23:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No hope. RlevseTalk 23:51, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including plain English words, the names of major geographic features and locations, religions, languages, common professions, common units of measurement, and dates. I was pushing it with linking Paris and only did so because the other, more obscure place-names are linked and it would look odd to have a single unlinked place; France and German language certainly come under overlinking by any definition. – iridescent 23:48, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fundoianu

Tricky it is. I think in his case both the Romanian (pen-)name and its French version need to be IPA-ed, but I would need your help to decide which, among the many variations and combinations, should be presented as being the main variants. Here is what I understood by simply browsing the article and a few of its sources, and I'm asking you to check if I got it right:

  • Romanian name: Benjamin Fundoianu, with Benjamin pronounced à la Romanian: [benʒaˈmin fundoˈjanu]. Or is it just B. Fundoianu, or Barbu Fundoianu?
  • French name: Benjamin Fondane. This, I expect, should be given with the French pronunciation: [bɛ̃ʒamɛ̃ fɔ̃dan].

In both cases we should probably choose the names as they most often appeared on his book covers and in writings about him.

The first sentence in the lead will need rephrasing to make room for the IPA's and to give it a logical and readable shape. — AdiJapan 09:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See my attempt: Benjamin Fondane. I preferred the version without IPA for Barbu, because it would just amplify the already messy lead, without really giving any useful information. But if you want to add it, you can copy+paste the code for this: [ˈbarbu] (see what I mean?). — AdiJapan 13:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]