User talk:ShivNarayanan

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Iyer

Hi! I feel that the information you've included in the controversies section would be more appropriate for Social and political issues section. Anyway, as you might observe, concerns have been raised about the size of the article, and there is every chance that your info could be moved to a new article while implementing summary style. Hope you don't mind :-). Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 06:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Posted reply on your talk page. Cheers, ShivNarayanan (talk) 23:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your expectations. :-) Anyway, rest assured, regardless of whether I continue to contribute or not, there are critical questions raised in discussions which demand my reply and I will peep in occasionally to defend my actions. And thank you very much for your cooperation. And if you don't mind, I wish to ask you something personal. By any chance, did you study at SASTRA Deemed University?Once again, thanks. tc.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 13:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Fernhills Palace, Ooty

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article The Fernhills Palace, Ooty, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

Non notable place, unreferenced, no sources whatsoever, unencyclopædic.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Thor Malmjursson (talk) 01:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Posted reply on your talk. I have added sources. Will expand this article in the next few days. ShivNarayanan (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome to remove the tag if you feel you can expand the article. Even if its only a stub, that will suffice. Please do whatever you feel is ok! :) Regards, Thor Malmjursson (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Sekkizhar

I don't have valid references to say Sekkizhar aka Arunmozhi Thevar is a sengunthar. I have only heard it. Are u sure that the Shaivite poet was from Thondaimandala Vellalar--Sureshmaran (talk) 17:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Criminal Gods and Demon Devotees By Alf Hiltebeitel, posted on your talk page too! ShivNarayanan (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OK I had seen it--Sureshmaran (talk) 02:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Shiv, Sekkizhar's birth name is Arul(n)mozhi thevar. It could be expressed either as arulmozhi or arunmozhi. Okay ur refernces give it as arulmozhi. In Tamil we can express "thiruvarulpa" as "thiruvarutpa". (Thiruvarutpa= Thiru+arul+pa). Such similar way of expressing is "arunmozhi". It's not "Arun" mozhi. "Uthama choza Pallavarayan" is a title conferred upon Sekkizhar by the Kulothunga Chola II as he was amazed by the poetic talents of the former and made him the court poet. Iam unable to cite any online references. Anyway U can find it in a good library where Sekkizhar's life history is available --Sureshmaran (talk) 13:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Nakkirar

Replied on my talk page. PamD (talk) 07:40, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

karaiyar

Karaiyar, a fishing community also uses Mudali title

Ref:Caste, Nationalism and Ethnicity By Jacob Pandian--Sureshmaran (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

regarding sock puppetry

i had answered in that page. Please check it--Sureshmaran (talk) 10:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2009

Happy New Year ShivNarayanan!!!! I wish for you and your family to have a wonderful 2009!!! Have fun partying and may you make many edits!!!

-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 12:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Sureshmaran

Hello Shiv, I am getting set to close this SSP report. Add your own remark in the 'Comments' section if you wish to provide further input. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

If you have new evidence, please do not add to the closed case. You could open a new case. Call it something like Sureshmaran (2nd). I have to observe that the first case wasn't very convincing in terms of any real policy violations. Perhaps you could give me an idea of what new arguments you are hoping to make. EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Agamudaya Mudali

Agamudayar were using the Mudali title as early as 13th century. The Agamudayars at that time never used Thevar title. As u said Pasumpon. Thevar unified the three classes during the 20th century. Even if they are same many centuries ago, now their culture varies and the agamudayars of the south Tamil Nadu are known as "Thevar". Agamudaya Mudali/Arcot Mudali social group has many prominent persons only having Mudali title and not Thevars. They used only Mudaliar title even if they got migrated to Bangalore. See the case of Bunts and Nairs who are same by origin forming separate communities now --Sureshmaran (talk) 13:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Karkathars

Karkathars, Saiva Pillai are subcastes of Vellalar. I thought they would be related to Thondaimandala Mudaliars as they are also Vellalars by origin and forward castes. Added to that Saiva Velalars of the south Tamil nadu use Pillai title as Karkathars,Saiva Pillai. Anyway i think u should be knowing better about this community. Cheers.--Sureshmaran (talk) 13:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Shiv

Can we create new articles and provide internal links for the notable persons in the Mudaliar article list. Cheers --Sureshmaran (talk) 13:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Professor Anbazhagan

Professor Anbazhagan belongs to Kaattur, Thiruvarur District and heard he is a Vellala Mudaliar(may be Thondaimandala Mudaliar). I thought of removing his name from the notable persons of Sengunthar but had added only the citation tag in the sengunthar . What's ur opinion--Sureshmaran (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Tamilvendan,

Hello ShivNarayanan this is regarding your edition in Kallar (caste) page. Please don’t delete any articles, this article was created by Me, Ravichandar, Rajendran, usericon and few more peoples if you want any proof for this article you are always welcome just ask your question in the Talk page, just deleting will not take few seconds that will spoil our valuable work. Expecting a nice reply from you.

For the question asked by you my kind answer is, the proof for the chola clan can only be found by considering The surnames used by chola. And by considering the marriages happened with Whom (I also know lots of marriages taken place between chalukyas to strengthen their army)If you know any other way to find which clan cholas belongs to, you are welcome to reply.

Because if I am wrong I must confess.

Also if you want you can Help me to Provide a good Picture.

Thank you,

Tamilvendan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamilvendan (talk • contribs) 14:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hehe! Apart from taggings and some minor edits, I didn't add much to the article-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 20:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello Shivnarayana

I don’t know anything about attondai and can you give any reference for stating attondai As a son of Karikala in history, I am talking about Thondaiman Ilandarayan he was the first Thondaiman King who ruled thondaimandalam During Sangam period, there is lot of reference for his existence (Read Purananuru).

You keep on asking reference though I have given many, please mention for which you want reference exactly.

If Malayaman, Paluvetarayar, Melkondar or not Kallars, Please tell me anyone else using this Surnames.

Hereafter Please don’t delete anything. Mention your question (Please mention clearly exactly for what you want reference) in my talk page I will give you reference there are lot of reference available.

Thank you, Tamilvendan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamilvendan (talk • contribs) 04:37, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions[1] made on March 20 2009 to Kallar (caste)

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below.

The duration of the block is 24 hours. William M. Connolley (talk) 23:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

ShivNarayanan (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Hi admin, I have engaged in discussion and have been trying to resolve the issue on the talk page. But the other user User:Tamilvendan uses a string of new socks and anonymizer websites like proxy ips to thrust his POV on other related articles like Thondaiman, Malayaman, Adigaman etc. Look at the user Pandiavendan (talk · contribs) and other relatively new users in the articles Thondaiman, Malayaman, Adigaman. They are all socks of Tamilvendan. I request you to please step back and look at the big picture. I have tried to express my concerns fairly on the talk pages repeatedly. I understand why I was blocked but it was just a momentary lapse as I was trying to deal with a pov pusher like User:Tamilvendan and his socks and will take care that this does not happen again. Please unblock me.

Decline reason:

WP:3RR is a bright line. You're pretty fortunate that you only got a 24 hour block since you clearly tried deception, editing edited anonymously. Toddst1 (talk) 04:18, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

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{{unblock|Hi admin Toddst1 (Please alert admin User:Toddst1 if you're another admin), I have been active in wikipedia for sometime now and have made quite a number of good-faith edits. I only started reverting recently and that too only after explaining my concerns in the related talk page. I realised that I was blocked only when I tried to edit and then posted the first unblock message. Sometimes wikipedia logs me out automatically when there is no activity for an extended period of time. I have not tried to edit anonymously. I am fully aware that the ip would be blocked when someone is blocked and one can neither create a new account nor edit anonymously since I was the one who filed the case. I would not have filed the case in the first place if I had thought one can edit anonymously since the other user can just logout and edit anonymously or edit by creating another account. There is no reason for me to try and deceive anyone. So what do you mean by saying I tried "deception"? Could you please elaborate on this accusation? Please do not jump to conclusions.}}

Assertion of deliberate deception withdrawn. I think your block has expired now so you can remove the {{unblock}} template. Toddst1 (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I commented out the unblock request. This account is not currently blocked. The block expired hours ago. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Barnstar

That's upto you! I felt you were doing a nice job stressing on reliability of sources. My perceptions were based on what I observed. It may be right; it may be wrong. Anyway, please don't bother to reply. It was nice meeting you. All the best!-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 16:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Your RFCU is rather paranoid. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 00:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

If you want to discuss this further, use my talk page. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 07:22, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Complaint to ArbCom

We have now concluded the investigation and found your allegations about YellowMonkey and Nishkid unsubstantiated. Additionally, the independent review broadly endorsed Nishkid64's analysis of the checkuser evidence, with the exception that some findings that Nishkid found "confirmed", the reviewer found "possible/likely". This is well within the variation one might expect from different checkusers interpreting the same data.

Turning now to your behaviour, you are entitled to publically raise issues about conduct, with noticeboards like WP:AN and WP:AN/I existing for this purpose. You were also absolutely right to bring your concerns to ArbCom as it is our role and duty to investigate them. However, you were not right to widely and stridently broadcast your suspicions, even starting a Request for Arbitration after you had reported your concerns to ArbCom, apparently to force the pace. Regard this note as a formal warning that any repetition of the drama causing behaviour that surrounded this matter will likely lead to a ban for a significant amount of time.

For the Arbitration Committee,

Roger Davies