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Per consensus at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=422991721#Proposed_restrictions AN/I Discussion] I have imposed the following editing restrictions on you: |
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::1. You are topic banned from Indian history, broadly construed. He is not permitted to edit or discuss these topics anywhere on Wikipedia. |
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::2. You are banned from interacting with or commenting about {{user|Fowler&fowler}}, directly or indirectly, anywhere on Wikipedia. This means Zuggernaut is not to discuss, either explicitly nor by allusion, the actions, behaviours, editing, or existence of this user. |
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::3. You are subject to an editing restriction (probation). Should he make any edits, comments, or actions which are judged by an uninvolved administrator to be disruptive, he may be banned from any affected pages or set of pages. The ban will take effect after it has been [[User:Zuggernaut/Community sanction|logged here]] and the administrator has posted a notice on his user talk page. If he is specifically not banned from using affected talk pages, this must be specified in the notice and log. |
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::4. You are banned from [[List of Indian inventions and discoveries]] and [[List of South Asian inventions and discoveries]] due to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics&diff=prev&oldid=419730888 inappropriate canvassing] in relation to these 4 pages. |
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If you do not understand these restrictions please say so and I will try to explain them. Point #4 will be [[User:Zuggernaut/Community sanction|logged here]] under the probation detailed in point #3. These sanctions have been logged at [[Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions#Placed_by_the_Wikipedia_community]]. In addition I'd like to pass on a suggestion from the AN/I thread that you seek [[WP:MENTOR|mentorship]] to help with future editing. --'''[[user:ErrantX|Errant]]''' <sup>([[User_talk:ErrantX|chat!]])</sup> 09:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Welcome
August 2010Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Maharashtra. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. the statement you have referenced to two books finds no mention in either. If you continue to add this without consensus you will be blocked —SpacemanSpiff 07:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Please read Talk:Maharashtra#Marathi_statement_dispute discussion. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz Talk 15:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC) The article Maharashtrian Bhakti saints has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons. You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing August 18 2010STOP! Vandalising and spreading false info of your own or from unreliable websites in many wiki pages, like upanishad for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.80.122 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC) You seem to one of those Islamic or christian fundamentalist who wants to spread false info against other faiths from unrelaiable source. STOP VANDALISING WIKI PAGES AND SPREADING HATRED OTHERS FAITHS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR BELIEFS. You were already warned many times by moderators for vandalising and spreading false info and hatred against other faiths from unreliable sources. Watch it. TempUser1234567 comment added by TempUser1234567 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC) Ayodhya debateThe article Ayodhya debate has been renamed to Ayodhya conflict by an editor without any reference or discussion. I must note here that Ayodhya dispute is clearly not an armed conflict like Kargil Conflict and neither the mainstream media or government refers to the Ayodhya dispute as conflict. Even the term Ayodhya conflict has never been used in the article itself. Could you revert the name of the article back to Ayodhya debate or dispute.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 08:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC) Accusation of SockpuppetryYou have accused me on the British Empire FARC page of being a sock puppet. If you have any reasonable grounds of suspecting this please request a check user as I said on that page I have nothing to hide. If you do not have any reasonable grounds then you owe me an unreserved apology. Outofsinc (talk) 11:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Merry Christmas!
HelloHi Zuggernaut, hope you're well. As an editor who has used the services of the Guild of Copy Editors, I thought you might be interested in knowing that the Guild is currently holding elections for its coordinators. To view the discussion and voice your opinion, please visit the election page. Thanks! Lunalet (talk) 10:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC) Ganga movePlease contribute to discussion on talk page. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
HelloHi Zuggernaut, hope you're well. As an editor who has used the services of the Guild of Copy Editors, I thought you might be interested in knowing that the Guild is currently holding elections for its coordinators. To view the discussion and voice your opinion, please visit the election page. Thanks! – SMasters (talk) 15:06, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
ANIfrom my experiences at ANI, administrators hardly get involved unless the issue is clearly black and white or some procedural violation. This case, being a procedural violation, there is a chance for someone stepping in. it is better to leave the ANI thread short and express major concerns and leave it at it unless we are absolutely required to respond. the concerns are often well understood without us having to rehash it multiple times. i know it is hard to resist. --CarTick (talk) 04:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
This is to notify you (as you are a participant in the above ANI) that I've made several restriction proposals at this discussion which you may wish to comment on. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC) |
Upanishads
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UpanishadsHello Zuggernaut, I don't think adhering to one style of citation is as important as keeping those quotes in the footnotes. They are among the best pieces of information in the article. Regards, Mitsube (talk) 06:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC) Happy to help The initial sentence: "Criticisms of the Upanishads range from an ill-conceived and half-thought out bluster, to scholarly but scathing ones." is not encyclopedic. Either these weak arguments are really just nonsense--in which case, there is no point in engaging them--or they are legitimate and strong criticisms which deserve to not be disregarded by calling them "ill-conceived and half-though out bluster." Please post on my talk if you think I can be of further assistance. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Zuggernaut. You have new messages at Yogesh Khandke's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Your GA nomination of UpanishadsThe article Upanishads you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Upanishads for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:43, 24 October 2010 (UTC) TalkbackHello, Zuggernaut. You have new messages at King Zebu's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. --King Zebu (talk) 19:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
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Deshastha
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DeshasthaYou wrote, Shakher59, you have uploaded several pictures on Wikipedia, some of which are being used in Deshastha Brahmin. It'll be a lot of help if you can provide more information about the pictures. Things like location of the pictures, when they were taken, the occasion, whether they are Deshastha Rigvedi or Yajurvedi and perhaps their last names, etc will be of great help. Thanks. Zuggernaut (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC) The pictures' title has the period when they were taken. If I give names of the people, the photographs will be immediately deleted for being of non-notables. These pictures are there simply to show what deshastha people look like to the average wikipedia reader who would have no idea as to what a deshastha person looks like. That is why I am not happy about the picture of contemporary deshastha couple being deleted. I don't see anybody else putting a new picture of contemporary deshastha family either. All my B & W photos are from 1950s and 1970s. Having a color picture does make sense so if you have one, please add it to the article. By the way, all the people in the photographs are deshastha, mostly yajurvedi. The munj ceremony is of a yajurvedi family.Shakher59 02:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC) I;ve responded at your peer review page.Lihaas (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC) I deleted your content "disgraced and ruined...." because Arthur Crawford on page 127 of your reference in the footnote only alludes to Bajeerao disgracing one deshastha man for having a copy of Sahyadree khand and not the whole deshstha community. Also I have noticed that in recent edits,a lot of people including you and at times myself, have started relying on free books available on google as references. These are very old books by western authors and don't always have a neutral point of view. Use these references but even in the text mention that "according to so and so..... That way the reader can make his or her own conclusions rather than going through the reference list.74.9.96.122 (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Jaggannath, Please provide solid references that all deshasthas are the original brahmin inhabitants of maharashtra. the reference below on Nasik brahmins speculates that Madhyandin yajurvedis came from Gujarat within last 600 years. [3]74.9.96.122 (talk) 20:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
If current claims substantiate the claim then please cite it after "original"74.9.96.122 (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Young Mr. Jaggannath, Send me your email address and I will send you the image of the article74.9.96.122 (talk) 17:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
74.9.96.122 (talk) 19:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Approach Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests for copyedit. Moving {{copyedit}} to article as convention. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC) Deshastha BrahminsHi, i noticed that you have reverted my corrections to the image captions under the claim that it violates WP:MOS. Well, i beg to differ. The common convention is that captions that form a complete sentence should end with punctuation. If you take a look at my edits, then yo u should notice that all i did was to correct the image captions which formed complete sentences. Let me quote it for you:
Joyson Noel Holla at me! 06:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Copy-editIs it all right with you if i open a request for copy-edit regarding the anglicization of the spellings and dating, or do you plan on making the necessary changes yourself? Joyson Noel Holla at me! 11:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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British Empire[6] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 08:28, 21 September 2010 (UTC) ANII have raised the fact you have been canvassing over the India/British Empire articles at the Admins notice board here. Thanks. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC) HiI'm going Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem/Vandalism before actually talking to the founders and co-owners... But before that, I'll make a sadbox out of the history section and present it for discussion and then let's see what happens from there... thanks :) Amartya ray2001 (talk) 08:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
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Famine in India
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Famine and processThere are two options when someone inserts new text. Ideally a process of modification should take place. If that is not possible then the whole thing is reverted and then discussed on the talk page. I suggest you think about modification not reverting material to your preferred text. At the moment your material read as advocacy for a particular position. --Snowded TALK 08:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Forum ShoppingIts one thing to put objective "we are having a discussion on X, please join in if you are interested", without espousing a view. It's another to go around talk pages where potentially sympathetic editors might be found to rally them to the cause because that is WP:CANVASing. Please stop, or reword your posts accordingly. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 16:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
This is getting nonsensicalOK, every morning it seems we see a mass of edits from you. Many of these are very good, but there are always a significant number that take a clear POV. Please reverse these out and discuss on the talk page. Going through all your edits every morning to remove the POV position is becoming an unreasonable burden and I am simply going to mass revert if it carries on. --Snowded TALK 05:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
TalkbackHello, Zuggernaut. You have new messages at Talk:Famine in India/GA1.
Message added SBC-YPR (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. TalkbackHello, Zuggernaut. You have new messages at Talk:Famine in India/GA1.
Message added SBC-YPR (talk) 09:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Infobox famineI still think you need to be unambiguous regarding 'state' examples. 'China' and 'India' can mean many things historically to a broad audience, where, for example 'USSR' or 'Ottoman Empire' are at least referring to broadly recognised (historically and in a contemporary sense) political entities. Best to get it as right as possible. RashersTierney (talk) 02:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Pattern of AGF failureThis edit and others on article talk pages are starting to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour in which when you don't get your own way you launch attacks on other editors. Some of these attacks are offensive in nature. Please focus on content issues and stop making accusations (general or specific) against other editors unless you are prepared to back them up with appropriate evidence on the appropriate forum for peer review. --Snowded TALK 06:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC) Seriously, if you can't get a grip on this tendency to attack editors, make general accusations and generally misrepresent people I will put the effort in over Christmas to document an ANI case against you for systematic failure to abide by WP:AGF. You need to learn that editors are allowed to disagree with you without being subject to the sort of allegations you are making. You have good technical knowledge and are obviously a committed editor. Please build on that--Snowded TALK 08:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
My take on this is that if Zuggernaut were to slow down slightly and treat each change in British India-related articles as something to be pre-discussed and have consensus on, he would get a much more positive reaction from other editors. Instead of that, we seem to see a persistent campaigning - regular appeals to other forums, activism against editors with whom he disagrees (some of it aimed at me at ANI for example), unwillingness to accept any other source of information other than those he puts forwards and, in general, a perception that he is absolutely right and all other editors apart from those sharing an identical position are absolutely wrong and that indeed there is a war going on which he must win against those editors. This in turn leads possibly to mistakes by other editors who perhaps over-react in some situations and do not treat Zuggernaut's edits and comments with the analytical dispassion they perhaps deserve. Zuggernaut does do good edits and is a very knowledgeable editor in his subject area. Unfortunately, in Wikipedia, simply being very knowledgeable and holding strong, determined views is not enough. One must make efforts to see other points of view and analyse them objectively. This is what NPOV is all about. The appeals to accusations of racism, misfeasance and a somewhat arrogant tone with regard to other editors don't help, in fact, they further undermine Zuggernaut's position. As things stand, I would join Snowded in case-building if this continues. I hope it won't, because, as I said, Zuggernaut is a skilful editor, who some of the time is correct but unfortunately causes a lot of difficulty along the way and goes too far down the path of assuming he's always right. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 10:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
TalkbackHello, Zuggernaut. You have new messages at Talk:Famine in India/GA1.
Message added SBC-YPR (talk) 14:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. A book you might be interested inPerhaps you already know it, but I just skimmed a review of it in the New York Review of Books and thought about you. The book is titled Churchill's Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India During World War II, by Madhusree Mukerjee, published August 2010. Here's its Amazon page. The review is online, as an excerpt, here. Subscribers can get the full text of the review, it appears, so if you were interested, I could probably do that for you. Anyway, just thought you might be interested. Cheers. Pfly (talk) 07:14, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
You may be interested in the article below and the book it is based on: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/not-his-finest-hour-the-dark-side-of-winston-churchill-2118317.html http://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Empire-World-That-Made/dp/0805087958 Jonathansammy (talk) 19:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Famines and OCATHi, I noticed you added Category:Famines to a few articles already categorized in Category:Famines in India and Category:Famines in Ireland. Isn't that a case of WP:OCAT? By the way, if you're working on famine-related articles, then List of famines could use some help, especially with good referencing. Cheers, jonkerz♠ 14:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Famine in IndiaThe article Famine in India you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Famine in India for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a reassessment. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Standard Marathi debateI was scanning through the debate on this topic at Talk:Maharashtra, and looking up the sources you have quoted. Among the sources, Nemade's book appears to be the most recent and comprehensive. I would like to read the text on pages 98-101 of the book to understand the context properly (c.f. all other sources that seem to be talking of standardization in context of the Molesworth's Marathi-English dictionary). Unfortunately the book doesn't seem to available online. Would it be possible for you to scan and email me the relevant pages ? Don't hesitate to say no if this is not convenient since I can get the book from my library instead (may take a week), and am just trying the lazyman's option first. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
The discussion about Khandoba worship section is moved to Talk:Khandoba#Worship_section. Please leave your additional comments there. Thanks.--Redtigerxyz Talk 11:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC) No need for any compromise. Just vote that's all. Make your point that's all about vote.There is no need to accept something that you don't believe in. It applies to all. So you make your point and vote for that point. Your saying is like Just because Hitler made others to bow before him, you have to bow before him as well because it's compromise. It's not my dear friend. Things can be anything. Especially in Wikipedia, everyone can make their point. There are things that you can compromise on, but not on values. That's a big no. So you just vote for what you feel deem fit. That's all and the result will determine what need to be kept on Wikipedia. That's victory for freedom. You are free to vote for any of the choice or make compromise or anything that you deem fit. And thanks for the suggestion as well. All the best.Bcs09 (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC) HELP!!Can you please help me out with this article-Ooty? I was editing the infobox when suddenly the whole article went out of shape. It's LIVE now! Please help--Suraj T 07:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Could you take a look at this article, particularly at the edits of User: Profitoftruth85[14][15], which seem to be deliberately inserting bias (with misleading edit summaries) to an otherwise very stable and well-written lead[16]? Particularly problematic are his violations of WP:POINT and WP:RECENTISM in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extraroundtable (talk • contribs) 20:32, 19 February 2011 (UTC) HelloI do not mean to say that you fall foul on the said guidelines, I just wished you introspect. Perhaps you have, since you are steering clear of a particular article.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 08:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Please Peer Review Institute of Chartered Accountants of IndiaI have recently nominated Institute of Chartered Accountants of India for peer review. I humbly request you to peer review the article. Your expertise in making Deshastha Brahmin a GA will greatly help this article. R.Sivanesh ✆ 15:07, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Ganges x GangaThe dialect nature of Indian English has been attacked using the argument that your list of words in Indian English is simply Indian language words written in the Roman script. I too disagree with your argument that usage like Chal yaar lets forget the issue is Indian English. Such arguments could weaken the position. IE imo is Wren and Martin, and the Indian character gained English words like tiffin or corruption, Indian method of Romanisation, etc.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Jews in IndiaWhen you deleted reference to judaisim in the India lead you wrote, and I quote "Judaism did not arrive in India in the first millennium CE". What do you mean by that ? I are trying to say they came before the 1st millennium or after ? The following reference may be useful for getting the correct information back in the article if necessary: S Sharot - Comparative Studies in Society and History, 1974 - Cambridge Univ Press ... The Bene Israel claim that they are descendants from the ten lost tribes of Israel and that they reached India about 175 BC. The Cochin Jews claim that their ancestors came to India after the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. Having provided the above information, personally, I don't think it is important to mention in the lead that tiny jewish communities have been in India for X -number of years. Just like the parsees, they are but a tiny percentage of Indian population. In my opinion, however, unlike, the Parsees, the jewish contribution to Indian life is not that significant.Jonathansammy (talk) 19:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
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No talk pages - only articles. AshLin (talk) 08:05, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Editing Restriction
Per consensus at the AN/I Discussion I have imposed the following editing restrictions on you:
- 1. You are topic banned from Indian history, broadly construed. He is not permitted to edit or discuss these topics anywhere on Wikipedia.
- 2. You are banned from interacting with or commenting about Fowler&fowler (talk · contribs), directly or indirectly, anywhere on Wikipedia. This means Zuggernaut is not to discuss, either explicitly nor by allusion, the actions, behaviours, editing, or existence of this user.
- 3. You are subject to an editing restriction (probation). Should he make any edits, comments, or actions which are judged by an uninvolved administrator to be disruptive, he may be banned from any affected pages or set of pages. The ban will take effect after it has been logged here and the administrator has posted a notice on his user talk page. If he is specifically not banned from using affected talk pages, this must be specified in the notice and log.
- 4. You are banned from List of Indian inventions and discoveries and List of South Asian inventions and discoveries due to inappropriate canvassing in relation to these 4 pages.
If you do not understand these restrictions please say so and I will try to explain them. Point #4 will be logged here under the probation detailed in point #3. These sanctions have been logged at Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions#Placed_by_the_Wikipedia_community. In addition I'd like to pass on a suggestion from the AN/I thread that you seek mentorship to help with future editing. --Errant (chat!) 09:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)