User talk:Fences and windows

re Harbinger Community

AfD is not rigamarole, its how we delete articles, unless they are speedy-deletable, which this isn't. Maybe it isn't notable, but you never know - I've been surprised before at AfD, and maybe you will be too. I've sent it to AfD. I don't think that you should be blanking or deleting articles just on your own say-so. Herostratus (talk) 21:47, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Give the lecture a rest. Redirection does not require an AfD, and this is blatant. I didn't know you were into pointless bureaucracy. Fences&Windows 22:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Adinkras

Correction: Adinkras is an established area of study in SUSY physics (see publication list). The principal author (Gates at UMD) is heavily on the lecture circuit (both academic and "lay" -- see last and upcoming lectures at the Rose Center for Earth and Space, among others). From these sources one can glean that the term Adinkras was chosen for two reasons: 1) the structures are graphs which resemble the adinkras weavings and 2) Adinkras cloth have meanings beyond simply decoration and seek to describe fundamental truths. Thanks for being wiki-vigilant, but I think this particular deletion (12/19/2010) was in error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnmirose (talk • contribs) 21:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Could you sign (~~~~) your posts? Wikipedia articles are not about unrelated topics that share a name - one topic, one article. If the physics topic has any level of outside recognition, then it should be included at a suitable article on physics, not in that article. Fences&Windows 21:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

An/I

As per your comment that I shouldn't be treating Wikipedia as a battleground: 1) I Didn't know Wikipedia guideline and 2) I don't treat Wikipedia as a battleground either. I'm still not sure how the An/I was without merit not when the other guy calls my assertion as having little value and people who level the charge of anti-semitism at Counterpunch as "assholes" but for what its worth, I couldn't let Bali Ultimate report me to An/I without a response. If you're really interested in where the debate starts, you can take a visit as to [where it all began http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:CounterPunch#.22Criticism.22] although by having a look through your Wikipedia page, I already have a feeling as to whose side you'll take. Fellytone (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Your report was totally stale, and your "defence" included re-airing attacks on a living person. My view on CounterPunch has nothing to do with my warning to you and closure of that report; you don't know my view on CounterPunch, and it may not be what you think it is. Fences&Windows 22:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Judging by the visceral reaction to my report, I'd say the content was quite vivacious. Your right I don't know your view on CounterPunch but that's because I don't really care what your view about CounterPunch is: I just needed you to see the hilarity of user Bali Ultimate's twisted logic in defending the censorship of legitimate criticism of CounterPunch. Although I must confess, I didn't expect you to put a whole section of criticisms and praise for that left-wing rag of a magazine.

Good to know there's still some semblence of moderation and sanity on the left. And it's good to know I'll be contacting you the next time Bali Ultimate tries to remove criticism of the CounterPunch Wikipedia page. Till then, (as you Brits say) cheerio. Fellytone (talk) 06:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		For all that rev-del work on List of HIV-positive people. THF (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Advice?

You may recall that a few months back there was a dispute involving User:AuthorityTam dredging up my old edits at an AfD. You suggested that the user strike out their comments (which they didn't do) and cease their irrelevant speculation.[1] He is now repeating similar behaviour at Talk:Jehovah's_Witnesses_Association_of_Romania#Merge_RFC and things are becoming heated, adding irrelevant contention to what is already a disputed point. I would also welcome any comments at the broader RFC in that section and the prior Talk:Jehovah's_Witnesses_Association_of_Romania#Merge section. Thanks.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

And now I'm apparently an "apologist for an intolerant regime".[2]--Jeffro77 (talk) 13:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for intervening. As this is not an isolated incident (nor restricted to the two occasions in which you have intervened), I would still appreciate some advice on how to proceed if/when it happens again. I'm not claiming infallibility, but if the editor is going to attempt to impugn my character and motives at article Talk pages and other discussion pages by taking old edits out of context and framing irrelevant ad hominem attacks, it seems unfair to simply leave their remarks undefended. Also, if I were to remove their comments, I would be further attacked for that, and it has been demonstrated in the past that the editor will not even strike out their inappropriate comments, even when requested.--Jeffro77 (talk) 10:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

'kay; fair enough.

It's just you were talking about plagiarism and it was almost word-for-word, so...

I mean, if I'm wrong I'm wrong; I just tag 'em. Does that mean the rest of his stuff is considered okay, or was it not PD? HalfShadow 23:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

CDC is public domain, WHO is copyrighted. 'tis not easy, I'm familiar with this through my work. So the two I've speedily deleted were copyright violations. Whether we want verbatim copyright-free text is another matter, but not one dealt with via speedy deletion. Fences&Windows 23:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I'l leave it to you then; sounds too tricky to be sure. HalfShadow 23:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Kuiper defence

I was absolutely flabbergasted that you could be so unfair here and I took some time off instead of venting then. Maybe you're too busy sometimes and get irritable with those of us who you feel keep complaing? There was nothing “idiosyncratic” about that edit at all and I have never been shown that I have ever intentionally done anything “idiosyncratic” on en.WP.

All I did was change a link so that it went directly to the article name. I had nothing to do with naming that article. Since I thought that was always (?) the right thing to do, I found Kuiper's quick stalk and reversal "unnecessary POV" and "highly questionable". That's all I wrote about it to you administrators.

Kuiper's edit summary was "not an improvement" and his comment on that talk page was that the article name that I linked to is "some Harald of Norway" (whatever that means).

99% of the readers of that woman's English article aren't going to know the one or the other of her father's name variants from Adam anyway, so I can't see how linking directly was not the best thing to do.

Thought someone else might take the long-running and recent circumstances into account and see that speedy stalk and questionable motive my way: muscle-flexing, that's all. And ask him to stop it.

In any case, shall I stop fixing links so they go directly to article names where clarity is improved? I've done a lot of that and need to know.

I try very hard to only do good work for WP, please believe me! It would be nice to continue to feel motivated. SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't be such a diva. Harald Hardarda is how he's known, it's that simple. The article was moved without discussion sometime in 2009. Fences&Windows 18:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Harald Hardarda? That name is totally unknown, sorry. In my books (such as Encyclopaedia Britannica and Debrett's Kings and Queens of Europe) he is Harald III Hardraade. I call him Harold III Hardready in English, but that's neither here nor there

Do you ever apologize to people you call divas because they think they are following basic policy and trying to do their best? That would be nice.

The "idiosyncratic" part of your reprimand was way off.

Kindly (note: kindly) answer my question, please! Should I check the history of any and all articles for year-old moves without discussion before linking directly to them, or just stop such linking? SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you quibbling over a typo, or just being obtuse? If you think that "Harald Hardrada" is a totally unknown name, then you're badly wrong and incapable of doing a simple search. Read WP:COMMONNAME, properly. I've really got nothing to discuss with you. It's no wonder you keep clashing with people, your editing has little correspondence to reality. Fences&Windows 02:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Who said "Harald Hardrada" is a totally unknown name? I certainly never even implied that. Debrett's and Enc Brit are not "reality". What's the matter with you? Your insults are beginning to smart more than corresponding with you is worth. I turned to you for help. As an administrator, meant to help honest people trying to do their best, you should certainly be ashamed of behaving like this. I am very surprised and disappointed. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and since "Hardarda" was a typo, I apologize sincerely about mentioning that. I honestly wasn't sure, not knowing you or how precise you usually are. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Principles of grouping article and User:Txchen92

Hi Fences and windows: My attention was brought to the Principles of grouping article because it was listed for AFD, which was then posted on the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Psychology project page. As part of the project, I noticed the AFD as one that is relevant to my interests and expertise (see my user page). When I then went and looked at the edit-history for the article and the user page for User:Txchen92, who was the main/original contributor, I saw that he/she had been blocked indefinitely for copyvios. The thing is, looking through the actual text, I see no copyvios. I see a large number of images that he uploaded that were suspected of being copyvios, by image-bots (not humans, as far as I can see), and on the basis of that alone, a new user may have been blocked/scared off. I see that you attempted to elicit some response on his/her part, but it is also possible that a new user (note he/she never edited the talk page, nor the user page) may not have even understood what was happening. From an outside perspective, this looks like a newbie who was making a GF attempt to edit wikipedia ended up getting templated to death, blocked, all without even really knowing what happened. I'm asking on User:Txchen92's behalf whether you would review this indef block, and whether he/she ignored other attempts at communication, like e-mail, since that would be evidence of willfulness on his/her part. Thanks. Edhubbard (talk) 22:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

No, he repeatedly uploaded copyright violations (e.g. the WWF logo), despite me warning him, and refused to communicate. I've got no time for people who ignore clear warnings and breach copyright. Indefinite does not mean infinite - if he cared to appeal and acknowledge his errors, then an admin might unblock him. Fences&Windows 02:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Template:Christianityfooter

Links on the Template:Christianityfooter are limited to a list of top-importance Christianity articles. See Template_talk:Christianityfooter#Adding new article links, only Top-importance Christianity articles. I do like the replacing John Chrysostom on the list with Church Fathers. Propose it here. ^{şṗøʀĸşṗøʀĸ: τᴀʟĸ} 02:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Right you are. Fences&Windows 19:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Mickey Featherstone

Hi, since you evidently going to source this properly, I'm not going to make anything of it. But please do not reverse any deletion carried out citing "BLP" - arbcom has made it clear that's a NO-NO. If you disagree with my deletion, invite me to discuss it with you. If we can't agree, you can go to DRV. You may be right here (although putting a few books in "further reading" is not sourcing and certainly not good enough for negative claims), but we don't reverse BLP deletions just because we'd make a different judgement call. Material remvoed under BLP must not be replaced without consensus.--Scott Mac 20:06, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It was wrongly removed under BLP, the article had sources. Fences&Windows 20:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, that's irrelevant. You don't reverse BLP deletions you think are wrong. You either persuade the deleting admin, or you go to DRV. Second, I don't regard books marked as "further reading" as sufficient sourcing for negative claims in an article. Negative claims require precise sources and "further reading" =! sourcing anyway. But that's the type of discussion we have as you persuade me to reverse myself,or at DRV.--Scott Mac 20:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

You're suddenly a stickler for process. There is no point wasting time at DRV if an article is deleted as a negative unsourced BLP when it does actually have sources. We're here to write an encyclopedia, not to be unthinking slaves to rules and process. Those books listed in the article were the sources, they were wrongly classed as further reading in this recent edit (and I did check that the books existed and that other sources largely corroborated what was said in the article before restoring it, so I was far from being irresponsible). The problem with the article was that it was written without using in-line references (something that's anathema to me when writing articles), so the references could easily drift and be lost as the article was edited over time, and editors without easy access to the sources might assume that some of the content was unsourced, as had actually happened to the article at least once before. It'd be worth checking the history of such articles before using the nuclear option. At least we've got the beginnings of a properly written article now, but it's a shame it took so many years and the article had to be speedily deleted in order for that to happen. It seems that many Wikipedians wouldn't know how to write a proper article if their life depended on it. I think the suggestion of you listing these deletions somewhere is a good one, so others who know how to research can pick up the pieces after you're done. Fences&Windows 22:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Expert review

Hello there,

given the interest you expressed in strategy:Proposal:Expert review, I wanted to bring m:Expert review to your attention. At this point, it captures the current efforts in this area. There are some obvious ways in which you could help:

1) There's an existing proof-of-concept JavaScript displaying expert reviews for articles for which they are available. That script could be significantly improved, and potentially be promoted to gadget status.

2) We need to develop the product specifications for what expert review in Wikipedia should look like (starting with the simplest implementation that makes sense). The Meta page has some initial draft notes, but mock-ups, thoughts and additional documentation would be much appreciated.

3) We should think about what the most effective and scalable ways are to mobilize large groups of experts to participate in review processes, and to validate their credentials. There is an opportunity right now with the APS, which has just launched a Wikipedia initiative, and is willing to ask its 20,000 members to help with expert assessments. But we should think about the longer term as well.

Your participation in these and other areas would be much appreciated. Hope to see you on Meta,--Eloquence* 01:33, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look, thanks. Fences&Windows 01:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

My proposal at WP:VPR

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		your work finding sources on gem spa was amazing MrsSunDoesntShine (talk) 07:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Silk Purse Award

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		I am both pleased and honored to present you with the Silk Purse Award in appreciation for your superb improvements to the Pooky Quesnel article, essentially changing what was seen as a sow's ear into a terrific silk purse. Nice job! Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I mostly just verified what was in the article already, but thanks. Fences&Windows 00:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Bali Ultimate and Rd232

As per the CounterPunch page, RD232 and Bail Ultimate are deleting the editions that I have been making for the article based on the websites you have put up on the grounds that there is a "talk page consensus" for the article. One of the editors (Rd232 who is also an administrator) has accused me of continuing the WP:Battleground behaviour [3] although he funnily enough doesn't have any evidence of my engaging in that type of behaviour.

It would be great if you could look into this. Fellytone (talk) 23:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Recently blcoked user

Hi there, I thought you might be interested in seeing this. I was checking a page on my watchlist and noticed this new account [4] editing the same type of articles, in some cases the same articles, and making similiar edits to User:GoldDragon who was recently blocked. I don't want to just make accusations, but there is far too many coincidences for me not to mention this. If I'm out of line, sorry, but since you were invloved in the debate over him, I thought I should be better safe than sorry, just in case it's him. Cmr08 (talk) 23:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)