User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archive3

The old part of my talk page was moved to JohnpacklambertUserTalk1. I may have done it wrong. In case I did, I would welcome doing it right. I have put off archieving as long as I did because I did not understand the process, and I still fear I did it wrong.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:57, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I moved my talk page again, but I am still not sure I did it right.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I tried things again. Now the page is at User talk:JohnpacklambertArchieve1. The intervening links probably should be deleted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, you did it wrong a couple of times...the archive is now located at User talk:Johnpacklambert/Archive 1. The / allows the archive to be a subpage of your userspace. User talk:JohnpacklambertArchieve1 is the usertalk page of an unregistered user named JohnpacklambertArchieve1. If you have future issues with archiving, try WP:ARCHIVE or ask me and I'll help. — Scientizzle 16:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

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You're quite welcome

Always happy to be of service. Keep up the good work! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Hutaree#See_Also_needs_to_be_kept_small. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Stonemason89 (talk) 19:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

He does it here too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Helen#IE_.2Awel-_doesn.27t_have_anything_to_do_with_.2Asel- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.65.84.133 (talk) 18:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Authorship matters, and when the person is an open supporter of "any means neccesary" to obtain goals, and has openly admited this fact, it needs to be pointed out so that the proper intent of the commentor can be understood. Why am I the one attacked, when I am not the one advocating the breaking of laws and rules to obtain goals?John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC) Secondly, my initial comments were on content, but other commentors engaged in attacks saying things like "your opinion does not matter". It was not opinion, it was statement of facts, and it was unneccessarily combative, especially since the person could not actually provide any reliable source for the alleged connections, and instead just went on an attack against me. The motives of authors matter, there are no neutral and uninterested parties, and until you have read the works of Louis Midgley do not even try to claim you understand otherwise. I was the one trying to maintain order and neutrality and I get attacked. I am not the one who openly admits to favoring the breaking of rules to obtain what I have idependently determined to be "the higher good". If people have issues with their positions being made public, than do not publish them on the user page for all the world to see. If I had tried to make conclusions based on past edits by the person, that might be questionable, but when they openly proclaim that they favor breaking rules under the rubric of "by any means neccessary" this is something that must be considered in evaluating the validity of their edits.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

What you're writing is self-contradictory. First, you claim that "there are no neutral and uninterested parties", and then later on you go on to state that you were only trying to maintain neutrality. In other words, you say that there is no such thing as a neutral party, and then you claim to be just that.

Also, you stated that you are "not the one who openly admits to favoring the breaking of rules to obtain what I have idependently determined to be "the higher good"." Actually, breaking rules in certain exceptional circumstances is part of Wikipedia policy; you may wish to read WP: IAR. Stonemason89 (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Just because "that noble dream" of neutrality is unobtainable, does not mean that seeking for it is a worthless process. Anyway, just because no one is fully neutral does not mean that we can not work to seek a greater neutrality. It also does not mean that all people are equally biased.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Userified article

Ariel S. Ballif Jr. was proposed for deletion. Rather than delete, I userfied the article to User:Johnpacklambert/Ariel S. Ballif Jr.. Please work on the content there ant try to meet WP:BIO guidelines. Cheers, — Scientizzle 15:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Vakram

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Orson Spencer

John, I have noticed your valuable contributions to the Orson Spencer article. As the Prussian mission is of great personal interest to me since a long time, I was blessed to discover in the Prussian State Archives the original police documents mentioning the presence of Orson Spencer and his companion in Berlin in February 1853. I would appreciate your advice if or how to contribute these documents to the article - would you suggest it is content of general interest? It is remarkable for us members in Berlin to see how determined these missionaries were, even as they faced expulsion after only one week in the mission field. Would it be convenient for you to contact me via LinkedIn or my Berlin Stake account? David RuetzBaranka F (talk) 20:13, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

James Allen

John- Any objection to renaming James Allen (Mormon Battalion) to James Allen (U.S. Army)? His battalion work was only one part of of an important military carreer; most people probably know him from his founding of Des Moines, or his frontier map work, or his Chicago harbor designs. Thoughts? Bill Whittaker (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Went with James Allen (Army engineer), since there already was a James Allen (Medal of Honor). Bill Whittaker (talk) 13:19, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

That may explain why James Allen (Mormon Battallion) was used in the first place.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Joel Campbell

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AfD nomination of Mark W. Cannon

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Proposing a rewrite of Susan Ivey article

Hi John, I have a request about the article on Susan Ivey, the CEO of Reynolds American, which you are still the last person to have edited (even though that was almost 9 months ago). As you probably noticed then, the article needs a significant amount of work -- in fact, not only does the article lack sufficient citations, the bulk of it is actually copied from her official corporate bio.

I have done a significant amount of work, and created a proposed alternative entry which contains all of the same information but now the text is completely original and cited primarily to third-party sources. It is currently posted to my user space here. I have not implemented it directly just yet because I work with Reynolds American and I don't want to breach WP:COI, so I want to make sure there is consensus for it. Because you are the most recent editor on the page, I thought I would check with you first. If you agree, please make the change or let me know if you are OK with me doing it instead. --Piedmont NC (talk) 16:29, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Never mind! Another editor followed up a request for help and all is good. Piedmont NC (talk) 23:17, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Tribe of Ishmael

Hi John, I am a student at Notre Dame and had to edit the Wikipedia page on the Tribe of Ishmael/Ben-Ishmael Tribe for my final project in a History of Science and Race class. Feel free to take a look at it and let me know if you have any suggestions. - Hemington (talk) 08:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of John Hilton III

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June 2010

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Alfred W. McCune, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. --moreno oso (talk) 05:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I entered in the talk page exactly why I removed the maintenance template. There is zero reason to question McCune's notability. Someone who was the leading candidate for the United States Senate clearly falls within the minimum requirements of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:35, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Please stop. Continuing to remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Alfred W. McCune, without resolving the problem that the template refers to may be considered vandalism. Further edits of this type may result in your being blocked from editing Wikipedia. --moreno oso (talk) 05:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not intentionally removing maintenance tags. I am trying to maintain them. However you destroyed a whole lot of editing work, that was in no way "vandalism" as you claim, and I am trying to restore it, but it is a confusing process. I was on the verge of restoring the maintenance tags when you instead resorted to the earlier version that had not gone though the significant inprovment I later introduced.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Per G. Malm

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AfD nomination of William G. Wells

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Converts

You have added categories relating to religious conversions to many articles. However, this should only be done when it is an important factor in the notability of the peron involved. As the category says: "A category for people whose conversion to the Roman Catholic Church is relevant or significant to their notability." I have already removed it from William Barraud, where it wasn't even mentioned in the article, and will remove it from other articles where the conversion is a minor point of their briography (e.g. child conversions, where the parents are actually the ones converting). Fram (talk) 06:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

In Barraud's case it was the clearly indicated in the source list. Beyond this, just because someone converts at a young age does not mean their parents are also converting. The best example of why this is a false assumption is Vicki Matsumori. She is a convert to Mormonism but her parents are not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The category description disagrees, and I agree with how that category is set up. We don't make categories for everyone that moved from one state to another or one city to another, we don't make categories for everyone who becomes a widower or a widow, we don't categorize tons of verifiable information about people despite it being included in their articles (cat:people without children, peopel with one child, people with two children, ...). When something is true about a person, but not really something they are known for, then it shouldn't be the basis for their categorization, except for a few agreed upon things (living or not, year of birth and death). From WP:CAT: "Categories should be useful for readers to find and navigate sets of related articles. They should be the categories under which readers would most likely look if they were not sure of where to find an article on a given subject. They should be based on essential, "defining" features of article subjects, such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people) [...]" For those people where I reverted your addition of the cat, their conversion was not an essential, defining feature of the subject, but something that also happened in their life. Wikipedia:Overcategorization is the ruling guideline here. It contains "people should only be categorized by ethnicity or religion if this has significant bearing on their career." Please stop adding religious categories to people where it had no significance in their career (no matter if it was important in their personal life: if it has no significance in their career, it shouldn't be a category. A theologian who converts, or C.S. Lewis, or Muhammad Ali, are obvious people where the cats should be included. In most other cases, it shouldn't. Fram (talk) 07:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

And your example of William Barraud should give you pause: the source does not state that William Barraud converted, it states that his two sons converted, and it is used to verify a fact about his grandfather. Even if it had been included in the source, you shouldn't categorize people on something that isn't important enough to mention it in the article. But in this case, it was just plainly wrong... Fram (talk) 07:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Hahano-ki-Mala'e Kula-'a Sione Ngu Namoa, Lord Vaha'i

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Speedy deletion nomination of Paul Edwards (editor)

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Scio College

please see Talk:Scio College for clarification. Roseohioresident (talk) 00:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Philip Heffelfinger Willkie

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Unreferenced BLPs

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Fusipala

Hello, my friend! I am just wondering if you are planning to create the two articles which are red-linked in the above page. If you are not, then I propose to once again direct the reader to the main page concerning Princess 'Elisiva Fusipala Vaha'i instead of to a the above Disambiguation page. WP consensus is that DAB pages have to have at least two blue links leading directly to main articles (preferably more). (Fusipala has been marked for cleanup.) Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The other people are clearly notable members of the Tongan Royal Family. I do not pretend to have either the understnading of Tongan culture or the time to create these articles, but I really think someone should. Even the most basic reading of articles on Tonga's royal family will lead to references to Fusipali that do not refer to the initial one that I created the article on. We need the disambiguation page so us main-landers have a chance of not being totally confused.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

speedy deletion

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Perhaps simply tag will doEugene-elgato (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Connecticu Huskies coaches

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This was not a test, this was a misspelling that I did not pick up on when making the page.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Typo

Don't worry. The above warning was generated automatically and its somewhat accusatory tone is not really in line with the actual problem. But in any case, my goal is just to have the category deleted since the typo makes it useless. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 15:26, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

List of state leaders in 1339

Hi John,

I want to change the edit on the Ayyubid dynasty. I think that the Muhammad in your link is the same Muhammad of Hama, so it is better to have the Ayubid Dynasty refer to the Ayubid Dynasty article and to put Al-Afdal Muhammad in the place of Muhammad III of Hama.Daanschr (talk) 20:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• That is fine by me.

Proposed deletion of Thomas Appiah

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Proposed deletion of John of Durazzo (Greek)

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Categories previously deleted

Hi John; in your attempts to subcategorize Category:American Latter Day Saints, it seems you are re-creating divisions that were previously deleted in the past as ones that have been deleted before. You created Category:American Latter Day Saint businesspeople, but see here, where the category for Latter Day Saint businesspeople was deleted. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, technically these are not the same category. You may be right that the rationale for deleting one would preclude the other from exisiting, but they are not technically the same. This among other things means that there was no notice that iti had been deleted, because in fact it had not. However, you have no created about 23 articles that have dead-end categories. That is a problem that I am tempted to say you should feel obliged to fix.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I am going to "fix" it, but I'm not clear on what you mean by "dead end categories". If you'd rather I nominate the categories for a new discussion, I could. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess I should have said non-existant categoriesJohn Pack Lambert (talk) 00:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I see—yes, those can easily be changed back. Would you rather I start a fresh discussion about these? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Not particularly, unless you want to.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Cowdery

John, I'm not sure why you are acting as you are, but I do think the best course here would be to use the talk page to propose implementing your changes. If you could slow down and explain what you want to do, there is a chance that there will be consensus to make some changes. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• My revisions are in qisdom and order. The talk page is controlled by biased people and I see no reason why I should seek approval from biased people to remove their bias.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• • If you refuse to even attempt to form consensus, I'm afraid I'll have to turn this over to WP:ANI for a community view of the situation. One editor cannot "control" a talk page, and if you would take the time to make some proposals, you might be surprised what happens. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Why then can Foxe unilaterally act against my revisions over and over and over again? He has removed other edits as well and has been essentially trying to unilaterally control the article. I was not the first person to post attempts to point out the problems with the Perusite claims. It is just that I used sources, but the earlier person merely wrote on the internal problems without having sought out sources. It is Foxe and not I who has been acting as the lone person.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No one has tried to set out on the talk page what changes need to be made and why. If this was done, and other users agreed with the proposed changes, John Foxe could not unilaterally stop the changes from being made. But if someone makes substantial changes to a controversial section without discussing it first, it is quite well-accepted that a user may revert and ask for the changes to be proposed and discussed first. It might not be ideal behaviour, though, as there are more positive ways he could act as well. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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Category inquiry

Why are you removing Category:American Mormon missionaries from articles about people who were clearly American Mormon missionaries? : [1], [2]. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I am actually seeing quite a few problems with some of your recent category edits. Eg, [3]. Why was that change made? There are others that are similar. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:35, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The main reason is that I am unconvinced that for these people it is a central enough issue to be noted. The fact is that they either need to be in "American Mormon Missionaries" or "American Latter Day Saints" and which one to put them in is the question. My general decision is that since Mormon refers to "the Mormon Church" and the Mormon Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, if their main claim to fame relates to actions they did that led to their excommunication from the Church of latter that I remove that category. However even that is not a consistent answer. At some level I am unconvinced that "American Mormon Missionaries" is a worthwhile category. Arguably I should either remove all the categorizations or remove "American Latter Day Saint" from all the categories. There also a few people where I have decided that putting them in the category "American Mormon Missionaries" might be misconstued to consider their current actions reflecting this. The case where this was most clearly the motivation for my decision was with the current US Ambassador to Jordan. I decided that putting him in this category might be considered by some to be a statement that his current position or actions are as such. This might be a case of taking too much precation over a threat that is not really present, but with the violent anti-proselyting actions of many in the Middle East I decided it was better to err on the side of caution and avoid anything that might be construed as such. I am not all thatparticular about any of these particular edits, so feel free to reverse them. However if you do you probably should remove those articles from the parent category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The Ezra Booth edit is based on the assumption that "former Latter Day Saints" and "American Latter Day Saints" are mutually exclusive. I am not sure what other category edits you dislike. I removed the various family categories from the "American Latter Day Saints" category for three reasons. One is that it does not really fit, since the category is for individuals not groups. The second is that some members of the mentioned families are not Latter-day Saints. The biggest reason though was in many of the cases how American some members of the family were was in doubt. The vast majority of my edits have been removing people from "American Latter Day Saints" when they are also in the category "American Mormon missionaries" since the later is a sub-category of the former this is a justified alteration.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I still don't understand the Ezra Booth edit. You removed "American Latter Day Saints", but Booth is otherwise categorized in other "Latter Day Saint" categories. He is notable for what he did as a Latter Day Saint, not particularly for what he did afterwards. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

This is why I did not try to revert the change. You are probably right it did not make sense, but it does go back to the question of including people in both the LDS and former LDS categories. I guess though we can point out that in general if someone was at one point in a given religion and they are notably connected with it, then they are so categorized, so I guess my thought process was flawed on this one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:53, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I think the confusion may arise because sometimes users interpret categories as meaning what currently is true or what was true at the latest point in a dead person's life. Categories are generally not time-sensitive, which means that Booth could be in both "American Latter Day Saints" and "Former Latter Day Saints". Sometimes this is adjusted for living people because of WP:BLP concerns, but for dead people there is generally no problem in having them in both categories. (For the same reason, dead people or former senators who are living can show up in Category:United States Senators even though they are not currently members of the U.S. Senate.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Others of my edits have been removing people from the category "American Latter Day Saints" when they were in the category "Mormon pioneers". This is also justified since the later is a sub-category of the former. Since being a Mormon pioneer involves having moved to Utah, Arizona, Nevada or Idaho, but primarily Utah, prior to 1869 under the auspices of the Mormon Church, it seems that classifying all these people as in some way American works. If it does not the issue needs to be taken up over the matter of the classification of the category Mormon Pioneers. Another two of my edits have been based on the assumption that since American Latter Day Saint hymnwriters is a subcategory of American Latter Day Saint writers which in turn is a sub-category of American Latter Day Saints. there is no point to having people in it also be in the category American Latter Day Saints.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:47, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, those types are fine with me, it was just the types of ones that I noted above that I wondered about. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Query about a revert

Could you please elaborate on this revert? I'll leave aside the tone of the edit summary, because I'm more perplexed by the content of your revert. You restored the following material:

This whole argument ignores the fact that much of Coleman's work focuses on the groups that are liekly to suffer post-abortion mental health issues, and that trigger factors are a complexed issue, but if we want to have adequate mental health care we need to recognize that abortion is traumatic.

Do you think this material is a) encyclopedic in tone, and b) appropriately sourced (it's sourced to culture-of-life.org, a partisan pro-life website which I would argue is well below the WP:RS threshold)? It sounds like an editorial argument, complete with the use of the first-person plural, and thus clearly at odds with basically every fundamental Wikipedia content policy. I'll leave aside the poor writing, grammar, and spelling of the material as a secondary issue, but since you've restored this material and thus taken responsibility for it, I'd like to understand your reasoning a bit more clearly. MastCell ^Talk 19:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

The whole article in question has long been an attack article on a researcher who has been willing to do longitudinal studies in a field where most people do not. The decision to remove this section was brought about by a radical feminist who is trying to use the biased attack nature of this article to suppress the truth and have more women commit suicide. The fact that this article is havily biased has been widely noted by multiple people, and the fact that a lot of these attacks have been built on the "that publication is unreliable" claims are just not the type of things that make me want to tolerate this article. It is bad enough that the politically operated APA is treated as if it is a legitimate organization in this article. It tells you something that up until today instead of listing the multiple publications Dr. Coleman has, the article constituted merely an attack article. That is what is not encyclopedic about the whole thing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

February 2011

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