User talk:Moreschi

I'll be taking a short break, checking in every now and then, but back regularly in the second week of January. Merry Christmas to all!

Subpages:

• Consensus, democracy and Wikipedia.

• The Plague: Wikipedia and nationalism essay with subpages 1 and 2.

• Admin philosophy is here, general thoughts are here. Work currently in progress: over here.

• See here for links to archived talk.

Recently archived

Please check the archives for anything older. Moreschi (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

What did I miss?

Anything fun happen while I was otherwise engaged? Moreschi (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey, happy new year! Oh, just a lot of dramas, denunciations, accusations, and sockpuppets delivering lectures on hypocrisy or assuming good faith; the usual. Some of it's been fun. Welcome back! Antandrus (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year too! 2010 was quiet for me round these parts and I liked it that way. My only run-in was with a standard-issue ethnic POV-pusher who tried to file an SPI against me. Unsurprisingly, just a few days ago he was outed as a big-time abusive astro-turfer himself [1]. I haven't looked at the Drama Boards for a long time so I couldn't tell you who's currently at the top of the greasy pole of Wiki-politics. Same old sorry-go-round at FTN: Historicity of Jesus, Cyrus Cylinder, Shakespeare Authorship Question etc. etc. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Great to see you back. As Antandrus says, the usual. Folantin, I think I missed the SPI, sorry. Dougweller (talk) 21:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys :) So a pretty quiet year, then? Good to hear. Shakespeare Authorship Question is new to me, though - tell me, do we have any Baconians among us now? Or Marlovians? Or Oxfordians? Has anyone here ever read Jasper Fforde's "THursday Next" books? Great stuff. Projects include Lucretius and some random music stuff...let's go! Moreschi (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Oxfordianism seems to be where it's at nowadays. --Folantin (talk) 12:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Charming. BTW, have you seen Bach's talkpage over the last couple days? I'm actually quite afraid to comment, but I haven't seen such a tone used on the internet...anywhere...since the days of Dr B! Genius! Moreschi (talk) 15:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I've gotten as far writing a nice thermite bomb in the edit box, but so far all I've done is click "cancel." Sometimes the best response to arrogant, "I'm smarter than all of you" anons is the non-response. Posts such as his aren't designed to improve the articles; their purpose is to display the superior intelligence and education of the poster, but more often than not they fail hilariously. Antandrus (talk) 15:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back indeed! It was a real bummer to have to file SPI after SPI with mountains of evidence, instead of simply leaving a note here. You missed this [2], which I think you will find quite interesting (wins my vote for RfC/U of the Year 2010). There is also the usual fun at Cyrus Cylinder and the absolutely dreadful History of human rights. Good to have you back. Cheers, Athenean (talk) 06:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

And not even to mention WP:ARBMAC! There is so much hell things there, that it is too much for multiple editors to comprehend! I hope that you have tough stomach! :) --WhiteWriter ^speaks 21:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Happy New Year and welcome back! Mathsci (talk) 20:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Great to hear from you again. Happy New Year and all the best to you and yours. 20:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Mathsci, and somebody who signed with 5 tildes, but turned out to be Judith :) Moreschi (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow, Moreschi! Happy New Year, and welcome back!! Where were you so long? We missed you! All best! :) :) --WhiteWriter ^speaks 21:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hi, Moreschi,

I don't think we've "met" in article space, but I somehow came across quite a few of your edits a while ago, and I'm glad to see you back. Please let me know if I am striking the right balance in my editing--I am still quite new here (registered since April 2010, editing actively since May 2010). -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Any questions, just come and ask. Moreschi (talk) 14:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

He's editing well. Keep up the good work WBB, and consult about specific issues as you go along. Four tildes. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

ISO & language standard naming

I added the standard ISO naming on several language-related articles, but on Arvanitika it got removed twice. I started a RfC so after your last job on Illyrian languages please respond to this discussion.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:24, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Future Perfect appears to be handling this just fine. Any course of action I may suggest is not going to be an improvement on his wisdom. Moreschi (talk) 15:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Could you give your opinion

I filed a AA2 violation here[3]. I was under the impression that all editors that edit Armenian-Azerbaijan articles are limited to 1RR/week. Could you enlighten those involved as to whether or not this is correct? Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oh, gosh. Lord, I don't think so. I mean, for one thing, new editors will come to the site every now and then, and it's unfair for them to be punished simply for the sins of their predecessors. An extensive number of editors are probably under 1RR, but those may not have had a duration of more than a year. I did log all the restrictions I handed out at WP:ARBAA2, so whatever text I put there is correct over and above whatever winds up over at the editing restrictions page.

• That said, I've been away for a while, and it seems as though the same old names are still battling away, so it's probably time for the some bans. Call me when the next edit war blows up. Cheers, Moreschi (talk) 15:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Bach

Turns out it was a banned user from almost five years ago -- see my post here: [4]. I had a hunch. Something about that flavour of bombast. Make sure you read the last post by the anon before I removed the section. (Was there any reason to keep it? I don't mind my decision being overturned, but it looked like a violation of FORUM.) Advice/backup appreciated. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 04:20, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah. I'll go and cull it now, nice catch. No reason to keep such obvious trolling fouling up the talk page. Desecrating, as this guy might say :) Moreschi (talk) 11:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Armida (Sacchini)/Dardanus (Sacchini)

Hi, Moreschi. While editing the Italian Wikipedia articles about it:Antonio Sacchini and his operas it:Renaud (opera) and it:Œdipe à Colone (Sacchini), I’ve come across the English article Armida (Sacchini) that you had edited some years ago. In accordance with most sources, you write that the musician returned to the subject of the libretto twice more in his career. In fact, however, it is not quite correct as the subject of Renaud is more precisely a sequel to that of Armida, and Renaud as a whole should not be regarded as a revision of Armida, but as a really new opera. My main source is here, and I have verified the libretto matter here. I’ve not corrected Armida (Sacchini) myself, because my English does not enable me to easily extricate myself from all necessary explications. Should you feel like dealing with the matter and should not be able (despite your Wikipedia name!) to read Italian, I’ll be glad to help you with translation. Cheers. --Jeanambr (talk) 09:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure, sure. I guess the the plot of Renaud is still based off Tasso, though? Should be easy enough to tweak the article to reflect that. Cheers, Moreschi (talk) 22:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is (XVII and XX cantos), but it strays from Tasso in the happy ending (in Gerusalemme Liberata Armida and Rinaldo bid good-bye to each other without being in love any longer, I think). BTW, I'll modify myself something in Dardanus (Sacchini), too. Wonder if you could be so kind as to check and copy-edit it later! Cheers. --Jeanambr (talk) 07:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

And what about removing template Stub, by now?--Jeanambr (talk) 12:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Editor assistance list

Hello. Since your account has recently not been editing very regularly, on the page Wikipedia:Editor assistance/list you name has been moved to a list of editors who are willing to give assistance, but may not always be available. There is an explanation at Wikipedia talk:Editor assistance/list#Problem with inactive accounts on the list. You are, of course, welcome to move yourself back to the other list if you wish to. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, NW (Talk) 01:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I am not able to post on the noticeboard, so I post here. As one of the users involved in the debate on the astrology talk page, I emphatically deny the accusation of off-site coordination or being part of a rent-a-mob. I don't know any of the other users and I confined my involvement on the astrology page from early on to the talk page only. Recently, I tried to defuse the conflict by trying to form a consensus. When that failed, I try to bring the matter to a vote to break the deadlock (requiring 3/4 majority). I then asked both sides to cool it, when it got unruly. I did not participate in the edit-revert war. I expect the ban to be lifted. As the debate did not resolve the matter, even if good reasons were brought up for changes to the text, formal arbitration to settle the matter is needed. Erekint (talk) 18:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Moreschi, if you are interested, see the post on my Talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Apagogeron#Astrology_ban_March_21.2C_2011. Apagogeron (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

• Unsurprisingly, we may well wind up at arbitration anyway, so everyone will likely as not get a say there. Moreschi (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

91.155.234.89 and Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde‎

I suppose I should have known better than to try and reason with this IP. The result is unneeded drama and weird talk of having me 'banned'. I'm going to disengage from the article and let events take their course. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, he's made some peculiar posts on that talkpage, but I wouldn't say "disengaging" from the article is necessary, it's semiprot for a month so he can't edit it anyway when the block expires. If he keeps digging I'll just give him a really long block - no reason why troublesome SPAs should be allowed to waste our time. Moreschi (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't aware the article was semiprot for a month. Good call, that helps. - LuckyLouie (talk) 16:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I think you should take another look at the IP's user page - s/he is now making all sorts of wild accusations including this about me: "You have practised CHARACTER ASSASSINATION, which is CRIMINAL and which has been DELIBERATE from the very start." With hindsight, it seems that I'd have been better off not interacting with the anon IP at all, as s/he seems utterly incapable of engaging in rational debate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

• All dealt with now. Moreschi (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Astrology ban

Moreschi, Please answer my question regarding this on the Admin noticeboard. At the same time, I see no valid reason for your action and would like to be informed of the remedial process. Petersburg (talk) 09:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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Replied at AN. Moreschi (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

You did not reply to me but once again, just as with your banning, you lumped me in with all other editors. I posted this on the admin noticeboard and am looking for a specific, personal reply. If you had time to ban me, you can find the time to talk to me.

Moreschi, Could you please give me a single specific reason why you banned me from the Astrology page? As a so-called "uninvolved" administrator, you could have no direct knowledge of the background unless you had taken the time to pour through pages and pages of Talk and Edit history. Since it seems to me that you are having trouble finding the time to answer my simple question, I somehow doubt that you would have done that. The above generalization clearly doesn't apply to me, and I believe you will have to demonstrate the basis for your unwarranted action. This is not something that can be taken lightly. Groundless banning is abuse of administrative power, which is an issue you will have to deal with eventually.

Petersburg (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Having just spent a couple of hours pulling my hair out just reading the debates, and then another half hour adding my two cents' worth, I have grown to admire your forbearance and patience, Moreschi. At some stage I might have just bowed out, or fashioned little cardboard dolls, suspended them from string around their necks, and set fire to them with a blow-torch while giggling insanely and hopping from one foot to another (all strictly as Gestalt therapy, of course). Good on ya, cobber. Peter S Strempel | Talk 17:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :) Moreschi (talk) 17:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

It looks like another editor needs to get an AE warning template on their talk page after making this statement:

• "Moreover, the editors who were banned should be immediately unbanned as to allow the discussion to continue, showing Wikipedia Good Faith. One does not deny knowledge on any encyclopedia, but includes it.
  "Anyone who supports the 'ban' is therefore ideological and against the very concept of an encyclopedia and Wikipedia's guidelines of good faith." Eagle Eye 21:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EagleEye (talk • contribs)

A warning made now will hopefully be sufficient, but maybe not since this one came in swinging. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

What a joke!

You self-appointed, misguided, pseudo-skeptic, pseudo-scientific "editors" and "administrators", so called, ganging up on and bullying subject matter experts whose only desire is to improve the quality of the article! It was interesting to see how the game developed when you realized you were losing a battle you had been fighting for years. You will of course deny that the sudden appearance of twice the number of debunkers such as yourselves involved on the page prior to your call for help was orchestrated. You will also deny that you have an agenda, which is to keep pushing a particular point of view that you call "scientific". Well, you probably don't even know what the word "science" means, let alone understand the intricate issues on subjects you are "editing". For that matter, you have no idea what a true skeptic is because that is what you are calling yourselves so proudly while it is obvious for all involved that your closed mind testifies to the contrary. You notify users of the three-revert rule and then innocently ponder about these users suspiciously adhering to it. You have the balls to quote the five pillars when it is yourselves who should be locked up for treason. You are questioning the edit practices of reasonable users while yourselves are reverting any change on the article within a minute and dumbing down the page without using talk. You keep rehashing old arguments mindlessly and then hide discussions that are leading toward consensus for reasons of "irrelevance". When users start talking about going to arbitration, you suddenly ban them. When consensus starts developing on adopting a sentence from a policy word for word, you start a temper tantrum and throw in all the misinterpretations you can come up with. How wonderful is your sandbox where your mommies will support your bullying behaviour to keep you in control and to ensure that you end up with all the toys! All I can say, farewell kids, enjoy your populous solitude and the hellhole you built for yourselves. Send me a note when you find the light at the end of the tunnel. Aquirata (talk) 09:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)