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TP (TUFF Puppy) Page...again

Alright, I followed your advice on submitting the page to Article Wizard. So how long do I have to wait to for it to come back up?76.255.214.133 (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC)being patient as possible

To be honest, without sufficient reliable sources, which you have not been able to provide, we will not be able to accept the article on Wikipedia. NW (Talk) 09:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

My mistake, I didn't submit it to article wizard, I just made a suggestion for it.76.255.214.133 (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)Sorry.

User is persisting to revert edits

An article ban on Kristoferb (talk) may be required as they refuse to accept that their images aren't suitable or a contribution to sertraline or paracetamol. When I have disagreements with other users, I either seek the opinion of a third party, compromise or accept the decision. This particular user is beyond reason, claiming that you're my "puppet", and refusing to accept the consensus of others. Editor182 (talk) 01:48, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Update on situation

The situation with Kristoferb had escalated into two disputes. I decided to throw in the towel because I had given up trying to reason with this person or gain the support of other users, and the dispute was beginning to disrupt the articles, the paracetamol article was locked and I didn't want to have fluctuating changes on a featured article like sertraline. I've only just noticed that you're an administrator on the English Wikipedia. I had said in both Talk:Sertraline and Talk:Paracetamol that an "established" user had agreed with the decision. If I had noticed this on your user page earlier, I would have only left you a message, as an administrator had already attended to the situation. I'm hoping you will still enforce your decision when you return. I regularly contribute to articles on pharmaceuticals, so I'll be around if you'd like to reply. Editor182 (talk) 12:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Harassment

I was expecting this would be over until you could return and settle the matter, but Kristoferb has now turned his attention to harassment.[1] I hope you could consider this user worthy of a ban. Editor182 (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

If I may intervene because I saw this pop up in irc, this is not harassment, and certainly not ban worthy. It is not personal in the sense that it is an attack, but rather offering an opinion. Assume good faith and try to work through disputes, rather than seek mediation. Thanks  – Tommy [message] 13:45, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

This isn't an isolated dispute.

The dispute was originally concerning two of this users images on separate articles which was attended to by NuclearWarfare, but the edit was reverted by the user in their own best interest. Not only are these articles awaiting rectification, but this user is now turning their attention to my contributions. If this isn't harassment, then it most certainly is a personal agenda. It's unlikely that his latest argument will suffice with the contributing users of the article, so that isn't the issue, but it's apparent that this user is now looking for trouble, the quality of the articles isn't their priority. I have spent too much time trying to reason with this person, I've never come across someone on Wikipedia that's so stubborn. Editor182 (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

We can wait for a response from NW, but from my perspective he isn't being over the top stubborn. He has his views, you have yours. I've seen way worse.  – Tommy [message] 15:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The situation is stable at this point, and only active in the finasteride talk page. The sertraline and paracetamol articles aren't the center of his crusade after I gave up trying to reason with this person, and closed them without consensus. However, as previously stated, the situation would not have escalated into further edit warring and subsequent disputes if I'd known NuclearWarfare was an administrator. If NuclearWarfare returns and decides to enforce their decision on sertraline and paracetamol, Kristoferb may continue to remain stubborn beyond reason, though I agree that suggesting a ban may have been excessive at this stage. Editor182 (talk) 07:41, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Situation getting out of hand

Kristoferb has now turned their attention to temazepam. This is a relentless vindictive rampage.

It's more than likely Kristoferb turned their attention to the temazepam article as they could see their argument in finasteride was not going anywhere.

This will undoubtedly continue. A ban doesn't seem excessive at this stage, on the contrary, it seems like the only way to end this and in the best interest of the community;

• Kristoferb doesn't cease, doesn't reason, doesn't listen, disregards and belittles the opinions of others. This is evident on the finasteride talk page and the fact that the earlier reversions by NuclearWarfare were undone. Furthermore, Kristoferb is now taking matters in their own hands, removing images on muliple articles in favor of their own user uploaded image without even explaining why in the edit summary. The latest being the image on temazepam before any consensus from other users. The user sees disputing topics as a game. To quote Kristoferb on the paracetamol talk page, "you LOST the dispute", "Editor182 knows he will lose this dispute just like he lost the last one." Obviously Kristoferb confused my decision to stop the dispute, which wasn't going anywhere, as a "win". Disputes aren't "lost" or "won", but a consensus is brought forth by the community.

In my opinion Kristoferb is simply not suited for Wikipedia. Editor182 (talk) 17:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Awaiting review

• NuclearWarfare, I only just saw your message in discussion history. No problem. I'll await your review in the meantime. Editor182 (talk) 17:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Comment In the previous and related disputes, I did ask Editor182 (talk · contribs) to discuss and establish consensus, etc. See here; they removed the message here, and when I elaborated on my talk page, they removed that too [2]. I remain neutral, I just thought this might help clarify the situation thus far. Chzz  ►  19:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

RE: Comment

• I explained to Chzz that I treat my Talk page like an email inbox, not an article, in order to keep the page from becoming cluttered with outdated information. I must emphasize; I only remove messages after I read them and if they do not require a follow-up discussion, and then only when discussions end do I clear my Talk. In order to prevent the fair misconception that I disregard messages, "This page is left blank when not in use." always remains on the page.

• I had attempted to discuss and establish consensus with this user on both sertraline and paracetamol, but as discussed above, the only input was from one user on sertraline who was neural. I closed these disputes, with the support of this outside user on sertraline. Kristoferb has reopened these disputes, among others, and they remain open.

• Most importantly discussion and consensus was unnecessary on both of the above articles - administration had already attended to the situation and made their decision - Kristoferb reverted both the administrators decisions. It was unbeknown to me at the time that these reversions were done by administration, but regardless, the ongoing warring and ensuing disputes were unprecedented as two users had already disagreed.

Review from NuclearWarfare is pending. Kristoferb is not a user who is able to discuss, establish or accept a consensus from users which isn't in their favor. Editor182 (talk) 03:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Yet another update ...

Kristoferb is now removing images of his own accord from finasteride and temazepam. In one argument, his request for an image deletion was denied, in another, nobody responded and he took matters into his own hands again. Reverting disputes without consensus, along with everything else I've mentioned above. It's become way too much for me to able to continue to function on Wikipedia with this person on my case. NuclearWarfare, please review this case, and if you can, please overlook our previous edits, as soon as you have time. If this user stays as they are, then I give up. I'll try to stay out of their way, and I suggest everyone else do the same, it doesn't matter if you're a team agreeing to a consensus, an administrator reverting an edit, if you compromise, or reason, because that's all irrelevant. This user is for themselves. I will add this to the administration page, at least until NuclearWarfare returns, because Kristoferb is disabling my ability to contribute with this personal crusade. I enjoy contributing what and where I can, but at this moment, I'd be saddened, but relieved if I was given the boot instead of our good friend Kristoferb. Editor182 (talk) 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Climate change moving to Workshop

This Arbitration case is now moving into the Workshop phase. Please read Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration#Workshop to understand the process. Editors should avoid adding to their evidence sections outside of slight tweaks to aid in understanding; large-scale additions should not be made. Many proposals have already been made and there has already been extensive discussion on them, so please keep the Arbitrators' procedures in mind, namely to keep "workshop proposals as concise as reasonably possible." Workshop proposals should be relevant and based on already provided evidence; evidence masquerading as proposals will likely be ignored. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Note

You should be aware that you were reverted here, mentioning Talk:William_Connolley#Qualifications. Just thought you should be aware. Hipocrite (talk) 09:55, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I was traveling for a couple days, so I probably would have missed the change had you not informed me. Thanks, NW (Talk) 09:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't ignore this statement. We don't people to know who goes out next in the show because of spoilers. We have rigt to guess ad we aregettig protecton on it.

Help - Apologies - Doubt

Hi there NUKE, VASCO here, hope you have been getting plenty of rest,

Please, could you protect Marcos Alonso Mendoza's page? Incredibly (an obscure player) the level of vandalism is pretty "good" now, for two reasons: i said that "he played his first match with the first team...one minute against...", then added external link to back it up (the first one, BDFUTBOL.COM); the "user" who wants him to have played 15 minutes removes the link and inserts his lies.

Also, lies in the section PERSONAL have been added to the player/person's page (and i know it is lies, i know this player, he is not related to those guys the "user" keeps inserting).

This completed, i move on to the apologies: i am terribly sorry for yet another attack of uncivility, but i just lose it with vandalism, i guess if i don't leave WP i'll always be (more or less) like this, even though i try so hard not to. I know anytime in the future i am applying well to be blocked, and i'll "take it like a man" if i do.

As far as User:Pararubbas goes, i have lost all faith, even though you and Satori Son have been doing a mammoth effort to stop him in his tracks. He creates two accounts at a time (has surpassed 50 socks now i'm almost sure), has a neverending supply of anon IPs, no hope...

A doubt now, mate: how do you work with the reviewer stuff? I'm still at a loss trying to understand it...

Sorry for any incovenience, keep up the GREAT work, cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

 Protected. As for the reviewer process, did you take a look at Wikipedia:Reviewers#Reviewing process? If you did, is there anything specific you would like me to help you with? NW (Talk) 08:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

• I have read it now. On second thoughts, i'd like for you to "punish me" and remove that feature from my account man, i feel that with "rollback" (and "undo") i have more than enough. I think it's just too much for me at the moment, but if i feel otherwise, i'll let you know OK? Be sure of one thing tough, that does not mean vandals will have their way here, as long as i am at WP, count me in :) !!

On a related note (well-vandalized page - i have seen that some "users" have written he is gay and likes his coach in the past few days, just because the player will change teams!! - people not complying, etc), could you please protect David Silva's page until at least 11 July? I explain: that's when the transfer to his new team will be official, as the 2010 FIFA World Cup will end. That would be a great help, if you could provide that.

As always, thanks for everything, regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 02:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I could remove reviewer from your account, of course, but I just want to make sure that you are fully aware of what it would entail. David Silva is currently flagged protected, which means that when you edit it, you edits will show up instantly for everyone, rather than for just logged in users. Because of the flagged protection, I don't think there is a need to semi-protect the article as well. Are you sure you want me to remove the reviewer feature from your account? NW (Talk) 11:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

• Yes please (but in a nutshell, what are the consequences? If they are too "heavy", then i'll rethink it, although i don't think i can handle the job), thanks again.

P.S. And see? That is precisely the reaction you get from someone who didn't get the purpose of the reviewer account, Silva is flagged protected (i saw that) and i still asked for protection :( - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 11:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you don't want to, you don't have to do a single extra thing with reviewer. It will simply allow you to continue editing as you had in days before flagged revisions were active on the English Wikipedia (ie, before mid-June 2010). However, on an article that has flagged protection active, editors who haven't been autoconfirmed yet (less than 10 edits/4 days) or who don't have the reviewer flag will still be able to edit, but their edits won't show up to the public until someone with the reviewer flag OKs their edit. NW (Talk) 11:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donny Long (2nd nomination)‎

Your close on this is completely inappropriate. First, there were far to many keep votes for WP:SNOW to have applied. Additionally, there was blatant sock puppetry by the article's subject, and a nominator who violated policy by removing sourced material that had direct bearing on notability.

This should never have been closed early. Please reopen and relist the discussion so it can be debated properly.Horrorshowj (talk) 13:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

What I fear has happened is that this person has demonstrated that if you are enough of an abusive, slanderous, vulgarly obscene jerk, and sufficiently vicious in your ignorantly vituperative abuse of Wikipedia and all Wikipedians, you can manipulate your coverage in Wikipedia. Is this the lesson we want to teach all controversial subjects? --Orange Mike | Talk 14:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

• I agree that there is no way that SNOW could apply here, as there are far too many KEEP arguments, and PORNBIO is a good one and policy based. Shortcutting process usually results in excessive and totally unnecessary drama, but more importantly it's a violation of due process per se. Giving in to a well orchestrated external and vicious swiftboating like campaign contaminates and taints our community process and emboldens those that would hope to control what Wikipedia says about them. The New York Times, for example, does not let celebrities and the powers-that-be see their obits before their death to avoid that kind of pressure and manipulation. Please relist and let the AfD complete normally with seven full days of debate as a necessary support of a transparent and community based process to determine inclusion or exclusion. Note that I'm not arguing to keep in this thread, rather arguing to follow process and not give in to corrupting forces. — Becksguy (talk) 15:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I am not willing to overturn my closure voluntarily in this case. WP:DRV is there if you wish. 15:03, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the outcome, but why did you cite WP:SNOW, given the handful of keep opinions? IMO it would've been more fitting to call on WP:IAR as was done for that insipid admin abuse thing to call it early, cite the subject's wish for deletion, and note the shaky notability ground that the article rested on, which was only WP:PORNBIO, where recipients of a group award are likely non-notable in their own right. Tarc (talk) 15:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I always thought of WP:SNOW as a more specific application of IAR, but perhaps how I think of it is too different from how other people perceive it in their mind. Your rationale essentially details what I was thinking as I closed the AFD. Not sure if it is worth altering the wording of the closure now though. NW (Talk) 15:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yea, I can see that point now, esp going by the direct "If an issue does not have a snowball's chance in hell..." wording of the guide. Looks like endorse is ahead out of the gate at DRV, so hopefully that will stay the course. Tarc (talk) 12:48, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Donny Long

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Donny Long. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Horrorshowj (talk) 15:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Alcaraz

Hi there. I noticed that the AfD discussion for the soccer player Johnny Alcaraz resulted in a deletion decision. As the deleting editor, would you mind letting me keep a copy of the article in my sandbox? If Alcaraz ever signs another pro contract it would be easy then to re-create the article without having to start from scratch. Many thanks. --JonBroxton (talk) 05:01, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit iffy on that to be honest, as the subject asked for the article's deletion. If Alcaraz does sign a pro contract in the future though, feel free to ask me or any other admin, and we would be happy to undelete the article straightaway. NW (Talk) 11:06, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Likely block evasion

In April 2010 you blocked User:Amir.Hossein.7055 for 1 year for persistent copyright violations. It seems that he is evading the block as User:Sduty. This user started editing in June 2010 and also has a pattern of repeated copyright voilations on Iran-related articles, as did User:Amir.Hossein.7055. Moreover User:Sduty has uploaded this image file File:Iranian City and Village Councils elections, 2006.png, where he stated: "I (Amir.Hossein.7055) created this work entirely by myself" and specified the author as User:Amir.Hossein.7055. Seems to me to be a fairly straightforward case of self-identification, so I think User:Sduty could be blocked based on that. However, if you think that a formal SPI report is necessary, I could file one as well. Nsk92 (talk) 15:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The block evasion seems pretty clear. However, as I do not wish to get involved and block in this case, I would ask that you please file a formal SPI report, and ping MuZemike or Tim Song. Thanks, NW (Talk) 15:28, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, will do. Nsk92 (talk) 15:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I see that Sduty has just been indef-blocked by Moonriddengirl for block evasion. An SPI report is probably moot at this point... Nsk92 (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Stalkerishly. :) For some reason, this caught my eye. I took a glance, saw copyright issues, and found the evidence compelling enough to act on my own. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Nsk92 (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Admin question

If I were to say, want to become an admin, what kind of requirements would be needed, like edit count and days registered?  A p3rson ‽ 01:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

You would be best off looking at recent successful and unsuccessful RFA bids to see what the people who passed had in common. NW (Talk) 12:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

I was unaware there was a template to list an IP range. Thanks for fixing that for me. Vedant (talk) 17:56, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Ideally, there would be a Template:CheckIPRange, but as that doesn't exist and I am far too lazy to figure out how to code for it, Template:IPRange is probably the way to go. Anyway, it wasn't a problem at all. Best, NW (Talk) 17:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I figure it would be helpful for a CU to have access to that. My guess though is that there would be a lot of data to sift through and CU for an entire range might not be all that useful (because a lot of innocent/unrelated editors would be included). Regards, Vedant (talk) 18:16, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

بحث کاربر:sahim

Hi. You made a page بحث کاربر:sahim with a warning message on it. I presume that this was meant to be a user page but it seems to be in the main article space. You might want to have a look and see if what you did is what you actually intended to do. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Seems to have been a Twinkle redirect error. I deleted the page; thanks for informing me. NW (Talk) 18:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello

Hello

sahim talk

I am the owner user:Sahimrobot . I wonder. What I'm closed.sahim (talk) 18:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello Sahim. On the English Wikipedia, all bots have to be approved through an approval process. Could you please file an approval request? Thank you, NW (Talk) 18:47, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

yes! Thank you for attention.sahim (talk) 18:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:208.80.152.74

I'm kinda confused; what's this block about? CU doesn't show any troublesome edits from that IP. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 04:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Since NW is off-line, I'll respond. I believe the troublesome edit is this one, which was one of a series of troublesome edits made in a concerted effort over a short period of time to the same article. Having said that, this IP geolocates to ...umm... WMF, and thus there's probably something else behind this. Concur with the notion of unblocking. Risker (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Heh, MediaWiki fail? Or we have a vandal at WMF... T. Canens (talk) 04:45, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for handling it guys. I wonder what happened in Florida last night that caused that. NW (Talk) 13:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I found this and this regarding Sunday evening's community wikibreak (or should that be "wikibroken"?). Richwales (talk) 14:30, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

To fast

[3] was a bit quick. Yes, the sock accounts were blocked, but there was ongoing discussions about other aspects of the case, and no consensus on the evidence for the sock-master. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I have reopened the case. NW (Talk) 15:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:21, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

OTRS issue

Hi, I'm here for an OTRS issue I asked J Milburn, but he/she disappeared, so maybe I can ask you?: Wizir01 (talk · contribs) added permission OTRS templates to File:StevenFineforWikipedia.jpg, File:Louis Feldman.jpg, and File:Richard Steiner2.jpg, which were uploaded by the user, who is not an OTRS volunteer. I'm not sure that's legit. Many uploads by Cardsplayer4life (talk · contribs), who is not listed as an OTRS volunteer either, about the bloggingheads website have had an OTRS ticket added by the user, concerning #2007111910004338 I just wonder because if it's all free on that website, I didn't find a note to that effect there and one would probably expect it. Could you perhaps check that out? Thank you very much! Hekerui (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I checked them out, and the three images by Wizir look good. The entire site of Bloggingheads.tv is published under GFDL version 1.2, per that OTRS ticket. NW (Talk) 15:39, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Need advice

Hello NW. I am currently helping a newbie create a new article here. He asked some questions about uploading copyrighted images that I would like some additional input in. If you have a minute, could you drop by? Thanks, Airplaneman ✈ 17:30, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I just answered his three most recent questions, as I skimmed the discussion very quickly. If there is something else that you would like me to address, feel free to point it out. Best, NW (Talk) 22:20, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Can you please explain your actions?

You blocked an editor for abusing multiple accounts[4] even though the investigation reached no such conclusion.[5] Can you please explain your actions? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to just quote the administrator B here for my response: "If TND were editing through a real ISP, I'd certainly be more open to the possibility that they were not the same person, but there's enough here for me. Two accounts use the same style of edit summaries, the same formatting, have the same POV on the same articles, and are both editing from open proxies (which itself is against the rules)? I think we can call it a duck." To me, that about covers it. NW (Talk) 22:33, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

But that's not what the sock investigation concluded. Is it normal to ignore the results of sock puppet investigations? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The checkuser said it was "technically inconclusive" due to proxy abuse, but also said "Go by behavior as needed." That's a key phrase, and the block was quite sound.—Kww(talk) 23:40, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

If that's the case, then why didn't the sock puppet investigation conclude that this was a sockpuppet? I'm seeing a disconnect here. The investigation did not conclude that the account was a sock puppet but the account was blocked anyway. What's the point of having a sock puppet investigation if it's just going to be ignored? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Your question pertains to the larger issue of why Wikipedia has no formal, established guidelines or checklists for administrators to follow when conducting admin actions, such as deciding when to block an account for possible socking. As a result, admin actions can end up appearing to be arbitrary or random, depending on the experience level and opinion of the admin who decides to take action. Any administrator in Wikipedia could have stepped in here and decided either to follow the adice of the sock investigator or not. NW chose not to. It is not his/her fault that this is the way things are done here. Administrators are left to make decisions based on their own discretion. Wikipedia's governance definitely needs some drastic reform so that admin actions will be more uniform, standardized and consistent, but I don't know if it will ever happen. Cla68 (talk) 23:59, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I for one would not want to see Wikipedia run like the Marine Corps. (Nothing against the Marine Corps, btw.) Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Didn't you quit using an administrator account? So, don't you have concerns about the way Wikipedia is administered? Cla68 (talk) 00:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

 CheckUser is not magic pixie dust, nor is CheckUser a be-all and end-all in determining sock puppetry. I should have clarified that CU did not establish a definitive connection. If they both were caught using open proxies and exhibit the similar behaviors, then it's certainly not unreasonable to suspect that they're the same person. –MuZemike 00:57, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• @AQFK & Cla68: As MuZemike notes, checkuser has serious limitations. If open proxies are being used, a definitive IP connection will be impossible to determine. In cases like these where the only information about the IP is really the absence of such information, an administrator has to use their best judgment to see whether or not the behavioral evidence matches up (see Wikipedia:Open_proxies#Checkuser). If it does (and I believe it did in this case), then appropriate action should be taken. Cla68, you mention that Wikipedia's governance should undergo reform so that administrator actions should be made more consistent. I agree that such a thing would be nice, but could you please clarify whether or not you feel I made a mistake? NW (Talk) 01:07, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• I wasn't saying that you made a mistake. I'm reserving judgement on it. Your explanation of your reasoning behind your decision, however, is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of each administrator having to build their own skillset of admin knowledge based on personal experience and observation, there should be some kind of "best practices" guideline, organized by the common issues that administrators usually have to confront, providing tips and, yes, checklists (including if/then steps), for how to respond to different kinds of situations, such as the one in question here. Such a guideline would make it easier for admins of different experience levels to make decisions on what actions to take and when, and also make it easier to explain themselves, for example, "Step 5 of the sock checklist states that once the CU investigation is complete to evaluate other factors, such as, are open proxies being used..?" Such a guideline would not remove individual discretion from the process (which I think SBHB is referring to above, and, by the way, that is a stereotype that he is perpetuating about the USMC. The USMC actually encourages individual initiative and discretion in its members), but would help guide decision-making in repeatable situations. Cla68 (talk) 01:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Signs of sock puppetry and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance covers some (though not all) of what you mention, but I think I better understand what you meant now, and agree with you that such a thing would be helpful for a large majority of cases. Thank you. NW (Talk) 01:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

• I have also tried when I rewrote Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Administrators instructions (with additional help from FT2 and others) with the goal of guiding administrators, by the hand almost, through SPI cases and what to do. That page is supposed to be for all administrators to read over and be familiar with. The problem is that most do not, and instead they leave detecting sock puppetry to either SPI clerks or to administrators who are more clueful in the field of sock puppetry – something I've always been against, as I believe every admin should have at least some minimal knowledge of what sock puppetry is and entails; it's not something limited to only Wikipedia, as any administrator on any website needs to know stuff like this to stop and prevent abuse and uphold the online community's collective integrity. –MuZemike 02:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)