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→‎Parting thoughts: sorry, OM, you know this can't be left here, and nobody else has the cojones. Kinda sad it's left to the girls to clean up. ;-)
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I left this place 2 years ago, because it's run by little self-important admins who think their shit doesn't stink. That isn't a blanket statement, because there are a few good admins, but not enough. Right now, there is a fucked up RfA where a little punk who plagiarizes content has got a bunch of fucking votes for admin. Lucky for us, {{User|SandyGeorgia}} outed him/her. But how many do we get that aren't outed.
I left this place 2 years ago, because it's run by little self-important admins who think their shit doesn't stink. That isn't a blanket statement, because there are a few good admins, but not enough. Right now, there is a fucked up RfA where a little punk who plagiarizes content has got a bunch of fucking votes for admin. Lucky for us, {{User|SandyGeorgia}} outed him/her. But how many do we get that aren't outed.


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Wikipedia is an interesting, but flawed experiment in knowledge. it is a major failure in getting experienced and knowledgeable writers to edit articles. Two of the world's experts on Global warming, both of whom are Ph.D.'s in real science, but neither get to do much. One was defrocked. The other defrocked himself. No real academic would put his real name on any articles here because the anti-science culture of Wikipedia would block it.
Wikipedia is an interesting, but flawed experiment in knowledge. it is a major failure in getting experienced and knowledgeable writers to edit articles. Two of the world's experts on Global warming, both of whom are Ph.D.'s in real science, but neither get to do much. One was defrocked. The other defrocked himself. No real academic would put his real name on any articles here because the anti-science culture of Wikipedia would block it.
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* Best of luck...it's obvious a lot of us will be checking in the next couple of weeks looking for a post from you saying "sorry about all the fuss; reports of my demise were just [[WP:OR|original research]] that someone [[WP:MADEUP|made up]]; I'm back but I still meant every word in my "Parting thoughts". Make it sooner rather than later. --[[User:Pseudo-Richard|Pseudo-Richard]] ([[User talk:Pseudo-Richard|talk]]) 16:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
* Best of luck...it's obvious a lot of us will be checking in the next couple of weeks looking for a post from you saying "sorry about all the fuss; reports of my demise were just [[WP:OR|original research]] that someone [[WP:MADEUP|made up]]; I'm back but I still meant every word in my "Parting thoughts". Make it sooner rather than later. --[[User:Pseudo-Richard|Pseudo-Richard]] ([[User talk:Pseudo-Richard|talk]]) 16:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
* I have to add my name here, too. We did, famously, come to loggerheads over intelligent design several years ago. There was never any contention that you weren't right about ID's factual basis; I was concerned about style issues on fringe articles. In any case, good luck :) '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 17:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
* I have to add my name here, too. We did, famously, come to loggerheads over intelligent design several years ago. There was never any contention that you weren't right about ID's factual basis; I was concerned about style issues on fringe articles. In any case, good luck :) '''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])</sup> 17:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
* You forgot hockey. How could you forget hockey in your farewell speech? I'm hoping the experiment works out well, and that you'll get to walk those beautiful girls down the aisle after all. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 19:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


== Last edit, kind of like last words, but I hope not ==
== Last edit, kind of like last words, but I hope not ==

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Below are articles articles, mostly medical but some in the sciences, that promote ideas or POV's that might endanger human life. Feel free to add your own, but I'm watching and cleaning up these articles. Please sign if you add something.

anyone who wants to work on this complex of article, I'll be glad to help. Time we got to the pseudo-psychology. DGG (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
try Eisner in The death of psychotherapy, Chapter 3 "Cathartic Therapies:From Primal to est". A little out of date but .... Fainites barley 22:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • coral calcium. I just put in some references, but there is a lot more that can be done. That someone would think that coral calcium can be used as a panacea for all types of cancer when in fact excess calcium can, in some cases, be detrimental to certain cancer treatments means that we should be very careful how the claims of the coral calcium fanatics are treated. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is pretty much fixed, at least until the next SPA... MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mannatech. An article about a company that purveys sugars, calling them health products (glyconutrients). Antelantalk 02:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tried on this, & only very partially succeeded. DGG (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Medical Articles

Below are articles that I believe, along with any trusted science and medicine editors who may wish to contribute, meet the simple test of being well-written, do not give undue weight to fringe theories, and are either WP:GA or WP:FA:

If you are here to read about all of the Wiki-drama surrounding the secret hearings (so secret that no one on the ArbCom knew about them apparently), you can read it here. No editing allowed. One day this will be funny. I hope.

The fundamental intellectual flaw of “CAM” as a concept is that it is made to include modalities that are extremely diverse, even mutually contradictory, under one umbrella. Very deliberately modalities which are scientific and mainstream, like the proper use of nutrition, are often included under the CAM umbrella by proponents in order to make it seem like CAM is a bigger phenomenon than it actually is, and as a wedge to open the door for the more pseudoscientific modalities.Steven Novella

There is no alternative medicine. There is only scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine supported by solid data or unproven medicine, for which scientific evidence is lacking. Whether a therapeutic practice is “Eastern” or “Western,” is unconventional or mainstream, or involves mind-body techniques or molecular genetics is largely irrelevant except for historical purposes and cultural interest…Fontanarosa PB, Lundberg GD (1998). "Alternative medicine meets science". JAMA. 280 (18): 1618–9. PMID 9820267. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Parting thoughts

For the past six months, I have been very ill with a type of heart disease that can be end-stage if not treated well. For the last three months, I've had to give up many of my pleasures in life, including riding a motorcycle and hiking. Luckily, I've been able to maintain a reasonable lifestyle with medication, but it was always a temporary measure. I've done a few things over the past few months that I had always planned to do. I camped in Tioga Pass above Yosemite National Park. Still about 4 metres (13 ft) of snow up there. I stood at 12,000 feet (3,700 m) above sea level touching some of the remnant glaciers of the last ice age melting away because of stupid Republican anti-science dumbfuckedness (my word, don't use it). I sat inside the giant Long Valley Caldera in Eastern California. If this thing ever blows, mankind could experience a population bottleneck of epic proportions. I stood inside the exploded volcano of which Mount Lassen is a part. Oh, over 30 feet (9.1 m) of snow. We had an amazing winter. The thin air was painful, but these are sights that I wish you all could see.

Anyways, I'm undergoing an experimental medical procedure that is the result of real science and evidence based medicine. It doesn't require faith or magic or belief in magical sky beings, it merely requires well trained surgeons, great devices developed and tested by Americans in California, and with medications from Big Pharma. And it will be paid for by my private healthcare insurance that is sadly available because I have the money to buy it. Even still, my chances are not high.

I left this place 2 years ago, because it's run by little self-important admins who think their shit doesn't stink. That isn't a blanket statement, because there are a few good admins, but not enough. Right now, there is a fucked up RfA where a little punk who plagiarizes content has got a bunch of fucking votes for admin. Lucky for us, SandyGeorgia (talk · contribs) outed him/her. But how many do we get that aren't outed.

Redacted Risker (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is an interesting, but flawed experiment in knowledge. it is a major failure in getting experienced and knowledgeable writers to edit articles. Two of the world's experts on Global warming, both of whom are Ph.D.'s in real science, but neither get to do much. One was defrocked. The other defrocked himself. No real academic would put his real name on any articles here because the anti-science culture of Wikipedia would block it.

I was fighting a battle on Reincarnation research. Give me a fucking break, but there isn't one stitch of evidence anywhere in any of the psychic fields. There are no ghosts. There are no angels. There are no fucking gods. And yes, despite what someone said, the absence of evidence, especially when you expect to see evidence IS evidence of absence. We've looked for the Lochness monster. It does not exist. We've looked for reincarnation. It isn't there. The stupidity is just stupid.

There's more to say, but I guess I don't give too much of a shit. I hope there will be real change here, but I doubt it. Jimbo Wales has bought into the right wing POV pushers, or he would have stopped the travesty done to William Connelly. He actually tried to get a bogus medical procedure to remain on here as an article, and he was FUCKING WRONG. Yes, Jimbo, you were wrong, and you never ever apologized for being wrong. You should go back to your porn with DMSbel, because you are truly useless. I used to respect you. No, your anti-intellectual, anti-academic, and anti-science regime has come into being. I think you've lived in the New Age bullshit for way too long. Oh, I was wrong about Trevor's not knowing Germ theory. He didn't know ANYTHING about science and medicine. Trevor was and is a charlatan.

But, Wikipedia has a chance to be great. Seriously great. If a real leader (come on Jimbo, you actually can do it if you quit the attempt at pure democracy), states a vision and makes everyone adhere to that vision. Convince the real editors to stay, and realize that great editors make great mistakes. Useless editors make lots of useless mistakes. Take the former, get rid of the latter. And end the incessant whining and drama on Arbcom and the various AN/I's. Who gives a flying fuck about civility? What counts is productivity and quality PERIOD. I run a fucking company. We care about the customer, and that's it. Wikipedia's customer are people trying to get accurate information. Every college in the world (OK, maybe not all) bans Wikipedia as a source. That is just wrong, and shows a lack of leadership to move this place to mean something. I won't tell you what I make an hour in real life, but it's a lot more than probably 99.9% of the people editing here. And I've given this project thousands of those hours. That's valuable, and I guess that's why I don't give a shit about what some whiny admin thinks of me. They can go back to their basement. I get to bring another medical device to the market, make millions off of it, and save lives. There are doctors here who do the same thing. There are professors here who are bringing the best and brightest into the working world. And then there are a bunch of your loser admins sitting in the basement. I wouldn't give them the time of day in real life.

Well, I'll either be dead or alive by Monday morning. I'm hoping for the alive, but the odds don't favor it. If I make it, I may or may not come back, I may reappear as a sock. Oh horrors! Or, if I'm dead, well, as it says on some anonymous headstone, "I now know more than all of you." And dammit, if I do get reincarnated as a cockroach, I intend to burrow myself into Cla69's brain...though there might not be much there. Fuck the world!

Yo Boris. Leave some pithy comment here. I'll read it on my iPhone while I spend some time with friends over the next few days. I hope some cowardly douche fuckwad of an admin doesn't delete this comment with that delete tool. In fact, I hope someone does try, so that real admins will revert. It may be fun to watch.

To you asshat POV-pushing dumbfucks...go fuck yourselves. Seriously do it for humanity, because you are not that important.

Hans Adler...I don't get you. But you're German, and my people have a certain sensitivity to the Huns. Michael C Price...I don't agree with about 75% of what you write, but as Hans says, it's a technicolor world. You really know your geology, stick to that.

Couple of more things. Go Orange. Go Marlins. And I wish I could eat a giant, fatty piece of prime rib. Anyways, au revoir, auf wiedersehen, goodbye. What a Long Strange Trip It's Been.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 05:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I wish I had something pithy to say. I don't. I'm a little at loss for words here. Hoping for the best. I will be thinking of you and your family. Guettarda (talk) 06:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I hope you have many happy weekends. --Philcha (talk) 06:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd keep my fingers crossed, but that's probably the opposite of what you'd want me to... All the best, and I really hope to hear from you again in a few weeks! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your service. A word of advice from my favorite author: "For those contemplating reincarnation, a major drawback to life as a cnidarian would seem to be the absence of an anus." Pechenik, Jan. Biology of the Invertebrates. 6th international ed. 2010. pp. 102 Danger (talk) 07:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You won't be "either dead or alive" by Monday. You'll either be "viable" or "not viable". Regardless, I hope it goes well for you. Take care. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I recommend you watch this clip.[2] Whatever God might actually be (and none of us knows), He will be working through the hands of your surgeons. Have faith in the doctors. They'll do everything that's possible to be done. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What Steven said. I hope it goes well for you. Spartaz Humbug! 08:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ai yi yi! I wish you Good Luck. Cardamon (talk) 08:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Believe it or not, I've learned a lot from you, just reading the various talk pages on which you've posted. So for that, I thank you. I trust you'll be both viable and alive soon enough, not because of anyone's imaginary friend working through the hands of men who spent countless years perfecting the art of heart surgery, but because of great men who spent countless years perfecting the art of heart surgery. Good luck, my friend Noformation Talk 10:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Best wishes OM. I have noticed you getting a bit grumpy lately, but the above is pure gold. If you want a laugh while watching admins wonder what to do with your text, you could review this ANI thread (permalink) where the community pointed out that an admin who pointedly associated an editor with a tombstone under the heading "Wikipedians whom I wish were dead" was a not my problem issue as far as those at ANI are concerned—perhaps they will spring to action when seeing real evil such as the above. Johnuniq (talk) 10:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • OM, drop me an email if you'd like. I know what you are going through and how you are feeling. It is all normal feelings you're having. Please feel free to rant and rave to me via my email function. Until then, I wish you the best and you will be up on your feet doing your favorite things again in no time at all. All my best, --CrohnieGalTalk 10:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ouch! I nearly missed this as you weren't on my watchlist. I am extremely sorry to hear this. I can't say I am really surprised it's a heart disease you are fighting with. I feel a bit guilty now for not guessing this; while only you can really keep your stress levels down, I hate feeling I might have contributed to them.
    Whatever happens, don't give yourself up. I guess you will be dealing with people who really know what they are doing, to the extent one can speak of that in such a situation. Help them do their jobs. Is it scheduled already? Think about how you can shape your thoughts for when it happens. I believe it's important that if you should get the impression that something is not as it should be (maybe subconsciously, under narcosis), that you fight for something, not against something. Maybe pick a realistic and concrete goal, a small thing that you want to do in your new lease of life. Fight for that. When your brain functions are temporarily reduced to those of a mollusc, abstract thoughts won't work, so prepare for that and program yourself with the right simple and concrete thoughts.
    We are so different that I don't know if this advice makes sense for you. If not, just ignore it and do what is right for you, and then come back and tell me how wrong I was. Hans Adler 10:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I imagine you picked a good place to be sick in, so I bet the docs know their shit where you are. Hope to see you soon, oh, and go Habs go. Dbrodbeck (talk) 10:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • We haven't really interacted, except I chided you once at WQA. You've been excellent here, your defense of reason outstanding. I hope all goes well on Monday. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 11:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What counts is productivity and quality PERIOD - well it would be nice, but you'll never convince arbcomm of that. Unsurprisingly I agree with you. Best wishes, and thanks William M. Connolley (talk) 11:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, good luck and I hope the doctors do well. I've found you abrasive in the past, but honestly, given the stress you must be and have been under, I cannot say I really blame you now. By the way, I've always admired your work on keeping medical articles up-to-date and free from silly fringe viewpoints. Good luck, and I'm confident I'll see you again eventually! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Best of luck and hope to see you back next week. You're getting enough advice, but if you want to vent to a crusty old fart, drop me email. --Nuujinn (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's hoping you're Built to Last, keep on truckin' and good luck with the op, . dave souza, talk 12:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
When you're under....just stay away from the light ...and come back here next week. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • All the best on Monday. Hope to see you soon. Never give up. Dougweller (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Take care, science be with you --B (talk) 12:56, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I haven't talked to you since the good work you did on the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event several years back. I hope others listen to what you say about the importance of the customer; you are so right. I wish you much love and acceptance in whatever happens to you, and please, please remember, don't just stay away from the light as Casliber warns, but stay away from the warm inviting caves, because they're actually wombs! :) :) :) Anyway, I leave you with the immortal words of eden ahbez: "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return." I'm looking forward to learning more about your experience; we will all have to face it sooner or later, but it sounds to me like you've got a lot of life left in you. Viriditas (talk) 13:32, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have a rapid recovery - hope to see you active around here real soon. Vsmith (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Damn. I won't wish you luck, as there's no such thing, and I'm sure you've done everything you can to optimize your odds. If it goes well, it'd be great to hear more when you're up to it. If not, it's been a real education. So long, and thanks for all the fish. LeadSongDog come howl! 13:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry to hear you’re sick. It’s hard to be disabled in the prime of life. Best wishes for a good recovery, Postpostmod (talk) 13:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Haven't had a lot of interaction with you except crossing paths on a few articles, but I want to wish you a speedy recovery and quick return. Yobol (talk) 14:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fucker. Furthur is playing Red Rocks end of September and I already got you tickets. I advise you follow the Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion "...everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sun; Nobody's finished, we ain't even begun. So take off your shoes, child, and take off your hat. Try on your wings and find out where it's at." If you don't show we will remember you as we dance and sing, like fucking fiends, under the light of a Colorado Moon; On our way to Terrapin. Personally, I think you'll show. - ArtifexMayhem (talk) 15:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fuck it, I'm sending you positive energies anyway. Whatever you're up against I fear for it. Fare well, pal. That's an order.Ocaasi t | c 15:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bloody hell, you never let any of this on at any point. I hope your treatment goes well. JFW | T@lk 15:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Best of luck...it's obvious a lot of us will be checking in the next couple of weeks looking for a post from you saying "sorry about all the fuss; reports of my demise were just original research that someone made up; I'm back but I still meant every word in my "Parting thoughts". Make it sooner rather than later. --Pseudo-Richard (talk) 16:34, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have to add my name here, too. We did, famously, come to loggerheads over intelligent design several years ago. There was never any contention that you weren't right about ID's factual basis; I was concerned about style issues on fringe articles. In any case, good luck :) Sceptre (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • You forgot hockey. How could you forget hockey in your farewell speech? I'm hoping the experiment works out well, and that you'll get to walk those beautiful girls down the aisle after all. Risker (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last edit, kind of like last words, but I hope not

First of all, Hans. Stick with math. LOL My behavior is neither causal nor a symptom of what I'm going through. I've explained it to a couple of the physician types who are "friends" here, and it's extremely complex related to something that happened to me about six months ago. I have never had a heart attack (which you implied). I hope to never have one either.

I kind of read some of the crap from DMSBel today. He's probably having a woody that I'm dying, which he can use while downloading porn. Honestly people, if you don't topic ban him, you're doing a disservice to the project. He is one of the most objectionable human beings around here, right along with FT2. They are what my daughters call creepy. But DMSBel, I'm irrelevant to the abortion article. But you certainly think I am, which is certainly one of the most deluded things I've ever seen. You see, I can analyze someone quite rapidly on here, and so can others.

And those of you who think I'm lying or making this up, that would be untrue. Oh well, that's your cruel, small mind, not mine. Think about the long letters I've had to write to my daughters, telling them how much I regret going to miss their weddings, college graduations, and all the other seminal events of a young life. Think about how I'll miss watching baseball games and whether the characters of Lost ever get off the island. Oh, I saw that. I guess I'm ignoring it. I'm going to miss seeing what modern medicine will do for humanity. One day, the procedure that I'm undergoing will be a notable one, with an article here. It is being done by top cardiologists in the country in one of the top hospitals in the country. The science behind it is amazing. I've been fully informed by its risks and its benefits. The company that developed it is following appropriate FDA procedures and institutional review board approvals. Sorry Jimbo, but this is how real medical studies are done, not the crap ones that you and your admins support (mostly).

I'll miss this place too. This place has been entertaining for the past few months. I enjoyed editing here a few hours a day. None of you noticed, but I tweaked only those who were total assholes–they are the ones who responded with the whiny ANI's or whatever else I ignored complete. It was so easy that I probably shouldn't have done it, but it was more than amusing. But that wasn't my goal here, it was mostly editing some real articles, which I hope stand forever.

I appreciate all of the kind words. Seriously, I do. Thus ends my final edit. Except for one thing. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Final words: DMSBel...you are a pervert. You need help. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]