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Articles for deletion nomination of Kharsag Epics

I have nominated Kharsag Epics, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kharsag Epics. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Dougweller (talk) 13:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply to your edit on my talk page

Hi Paul

I'm afraid I have, as you may have seen, a big problem with this stuff about Kharsag.

Basically, Wikipedia is a collaborative work with articles meant to reflect what reliable sources have said about a subject. You really need to read WP:RS, WP:Verify, maybe WP:OR. And the crux of the matter WP:Fringe alongside WP:NPOV. The 'nutshell' version of WP:Fringe says:

Fringe theory in a nutshell: In order to be notable enough to appear in Wikipedia, an idea should be referenced extensively, and in a serious manner, in at least one major publication, or by a notable group or individual that is independent of the theory. Even debunking or disparaging references are adequate, as they establish the notability of the theory outside of its group of adherents.

Now ever since I found the article, I have searched for sources that will establish that mainstream archaeology, etc has seen this notable enough to mention. I've come up empty. It really isn't even very notable among fringe writers. It's mentioned on a few fringe websites, some self-published books, and by a few UFO types, etc. It looks as though O'Brien's own writings on this were essentially self-published, ie he paid Christian Brann to print them (the 'official website' says 'print', not 'publish', and the only other book by Dianthus is a cricket book. I've briefly read your sandbox work on 'Kharsag'. Fairly similar problems. There doesn't seem to be a place recognised by that name. If you mean what I've seen called the mountains of Hursag, then the title of the article should be Hursag and should draw on the work of the archaeological survey you mention. O'Brien would be a reliable source for geology perhaps, but not for archaeology or linguistics. And I don't understand why you've copied our Çatal Höyük article into your sandbox. Çatal Höyük isn't in Lebanon, you haven't established a relationship, etc. By the way, if you do copy paste from another article, read WP:COPYPASTE first as you have to preserve the ability for people to find out who wrote what. So, we are at a bit of an impasse here. Did you notice that I've nominated Kharsag Epics for deletion? You might want to comment there - arguments for or against deletion should be based on our policies and guidelines, by the way. It isn't really a vote although it looks like one. I see you've replaced your edit, with a reference, at the List of biblical artefacts. Unless Barton relates these documents to the Bible, it shouldn't be there (any reliable source will do). As for Sitchin, O'Brien seems to be linked with him at times, but O'Brien is usually referred to as a 'Biblical UFOlogist' a term not used normally of Sitchin. I don't know what else to say right now. I'll help you where I can. If you want to challenge anything I can tell you where to do that, eg if you want to put forward O'Brien as a reliable source you can post at WP:RSN. Dougweller (talk) 14:38, 22 March 2010 (UTC)