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Caution

Calling an admin a "disruptive editor" might not be your best course of action. :( ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:02, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duke53 is not an admin. Routerone (talk) 10:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, but you zapped the admin's comments with the same sweeping comment. It's best to keep things on the article talk page until agreement can be worked out. And if someone posts a warning you consider patronizing, just ignore it. But be careful. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The admin comments being removed was a mistake. I overlooked them and didnt mean it in removing Duke's post. Routerone (talk) 10:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Replied

But on my own talk page. I just wanted to make sure we don't play talk page tag. :) - Gilgamesh (talk) 19:20, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

noindex

Context: [1], [2]: Dougweller (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) is correct that the noindex tag should remain on your userspace essays- see WP:REMOVED. It's actually debateable if these essays meet WP:FAKEARTICLE or WP:UPNO. In other words, they aren't intended to become articles, right? tedder (talk) 20:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I dont intend them to be articles, no. Routerone (See here!) 20:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind the essays being there, but others may. At the very least you should re-add the noindex tag, and I would strongly recommend changing your signature from pointing to it, as that draws attention to pages that are WP:UPNO. It's your own choice, of course. tedder (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You can re-add the NOINDEX tag, why would it come up on google anyway? Nonetheless. I'd prefer to keep the signature bit for now. Routerone (See here!) 20:43, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replacing the tag, but I also think your sig's a bad idea. Dougweller (talk) 20:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While WP:REMOVED#On others' user pages says that the NOINDEX should remain during discussion, I don't really see why it is needed permanently. The page clearly indicates that it is an essay. However, it does seem to fall under WP:UPNO#Excessive unrelated content; it doesn't really have much to do with building an encyclopedia. See also WP:NOTWEBHOST. I would recommend that Routerone save his essay and possibly post it elsewhere on the web if he so chooses. I'll run this through WP:AfD in a couple days if it hasn't been done yet. ...comments? ~BF izz 23:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does the Book of Mormon also start out in agate type and gradually shrink to footnote size? :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

bfizz- ignoring the UPNO issue, I don't think you are reading the noindex guideline the same way that I am. I'm parsing it like this: "A number of important matters may not be removed by the user ... added to user pages and subpages under this guideline (except with agreement or by consensus)". In other words, noindex should be used on user pages, but isn't needed on user talk pages. tedder (talk) 00:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found the policy around noindex to be rather unclear, so have started a discussion at Wikipedia Talk:User pages#NOINDEX situations unclear. I copied most of your tedder's latest comment here, but tried to keep that discussion detached from this incident. Routerone, I am still going to WP:MFD (not AfD, sorry for the mixup) your subpage, based on the policies I cited before. I hope you don't perceive this as ill will, because it's not. ...comments? ~BF izz 04:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And please do not remove the noindex tag again. See WP:REMOVED which lists this as something you should not remove. Dougweller (talk) 19:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of User:Routerone/Why its true

User:Routerone/Why its true, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Routerone/Why its true and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Routerone/Why its true during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. ...comments? ~BF izz 04:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I'm not nominating your "paradise of skepticism" essay because it is directly relevant to Wikipedia. ...comments? ~BF izz 04:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However, you might want to consider modifying or deleting that essay as well, so that it doesn't come across as an "attack page". Other editors may send it through an MFD if they feel it is offensive. ...comments? ~BF izz 19:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ANI discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Dougweller (talk) 11:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of User:Routerone/A paradise of skepticism

User:Routerone/A paradise of skepticism, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Routerone/A paradise of skepticism and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Routerone/A paradise of skepticism during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Willking1979 (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Routerone, did you request the page's deletion? That's what the MFD page says, but I see no comment from you saying that. It seems odd to me that you would delete it, since about 1/2 the people in that discussion agreed that the page could be kept. ...comments? ~BF izz 05:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I asked for the page deletion yes. I realised it would be wiser to create a wikia wiki to host my content [3], and thus I can still promote it on my userpage and its content will not come under attack by wikipedia editors. I also re-created the other page that was deleted there. Routerone (talk) 07:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Advice

I strongly feel that the wisest thing for you to do would be to stay entirely away from Duke53's user and user talk pages. Your recent actions at his talk page seem to be more provocative than constructive. I think you will simply make things worse by taking the approach you've chosen. alanyst ^/talk/ 15:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see you back.

Hey Routerone,

Good to see you stepping back into the fray. I've been following the article and seem to be confused about how it keeps changing without me knowing. Is it not Wiki policy that edits be discussed in the discussion page first (or at least following)? How does one go about being alerted to changes as they occur. Any insights into John Foxe's Fanny Alger obsession? He seemed to have mellowed for a bit and been swinging to slightly balanced and then he drags this one out. Is this his past M.O. or or are the moments of 'balance' merely strategic? And then there's COgden. I made the mistake of questioning his religion (which I see may be bad Wiki form). But his positions on Joseph Smith's history look nothing like the positions I have seen from any Mormons I know (except for the ones who say that are Mormons who have now found Jesus). Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canadiandy1 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring at Joseph Smith, Jr.

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24h for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

The complete report of this case is at WP:AN3#User:John Foxe reported by User:Routerone (Result: Both 24h). EdJohnston (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Routerone (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was not edit warring and did not violate WP:3RR. I dicussed and justified each of my changes on the talkpage. I feel this block is unjust considering I stepped aside editing the page and drew up a report about the conflict instead. I did not battle or continue on reverting, whereas the other editor did. This block is unjust and unecessary. Routerone (talk) 09:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You clearly were edit-warring, especially based on the tone of your edit summaries. You did the right thing by reporting the other editor to 3RR; you did the wrong thing by reverting back to your preferred version - this is textbook edit-warring. During this brief block, you may wish to review WP:BRD, WP:DR, and WP:EW. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Religion categories

Hello. Please would you have a look at WP:BLPCAT, in reference to your recent addition of a religion category to Phil Cave. Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons requires that religion categories should not be included unless the person has self-identified with the religious affiliation in question, and their belief is relevant to their public life or notability, and reliable published sources cited in the subject's article verify this. In accordance with BLPCAT, I've removed the category from Phil Cave's page. Please feel free to re-add it, in compliance with the above policy. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 20:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

edit warring

Please cease edits to the lede of Joseph Smith, Jr. immediately. tedder (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked again

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for chronic edit warring on LDS articles. I watched the effort to deal with you with a short block recently with some interest to see whether another warning shot would do any good. Alas, it did not. I see no reason to believe that you will ever be capable of collaborative editing without edit warring. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

—Kww(talk) 02:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Routerone (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I do not believe an indefinite block is by any means justified. This "edit warrring" would not be occuring if User:John Foxe stopped every single attempt to edit the disputed articles. I have been blocked indefinitely the trouble this editor is causing, yet he has performed 6 reverts in 48 hours on the same page and is getting off clean without even a block! [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?

title=Joseph_Smith,_Jr.&diff=prev&oldid=432085238]. Also I was told to stop reverting and stopped, I have not broken WP:3RR and if you see here attempted to discuss my changes on the talkpage and gained a rational to do so [25], [26]. This was by all means a completely irrational block, the other editor is causing the trouble and I have justified my changes and not broken the three revert rule, so how on earth does this warrant an indefinite block? I am not the editor who has reverted nearly every edit on the disputed page for the past 3 years! and yet escapes with no block and has his WP:3RR cast down without saction (despite 6RR!)[27].I request justice be brought to the more serially offending editor and I request that this indefinite block be removed or at least scaled down. This is not justice or equality on the means of what has actually happened. I urge a major reconisderation on this case. An instant indefinite block on one of the editors does not end the dispute. Routerone (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Decline reason:

(1) "This edit warrring would not be occuring if..." misses the point. Edit warring is not acceptable, whether or not you think you were right to edit war. (2) Read WP:NOTTHEM. (3) After the number of blocks for edit warring you have had surely you must have read the policy on edit warring, in which case you must know that "I have not broken WP:3RR" is not a defence. It is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking that rule. (4) It is entirely clear from what you say that you will be likely to continue to edit war if unblocked, as you do not accept that there is any fault in what you have done. (4) Considering your prolonged history of edit warring, being warned, and being blocked, it does not seem that you are likely to change, and so an indefinite block is the only reasonable way to prevent you from wasting yet more of our time. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

That "prophet" stuff is outrageously one-sided. You need to include that many mainstream Christians regard him as a charlatan. Or more to the point, a humbug. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Its not one sided. Muhammad is presented as a "prophet" by both non believers and believers, and is respected as such even though he is depsised by many. Although you're not allowed to offend muslims are you? Routerone (talk) 14:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't call him anything except "Muhammad" (note the lack of "PBUH"). He's the founder of Islam, like Smith is the founder of Mormonism. When Mormonism has been around for a thousand years, maybe you can call Smith a "prophet". For now, he's a humbug. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why on earth should time periods matter? At the end of the day I know and respect Joseph Smith as a prophet, it is not "one sided" to be entitled to that viewpoint and have some endorsement of that very viewpoint when people are attempting to use this website to effectively demonize him as much as they can and twist the facts about his life. He is a figure with growing significance around the world and millions and millions of followers. I don't care if it was yesterday or 1000 years ago, he is known as a prophet and should be saw as such whether someone believes in him or not. Just like in Islam. Routerone (talk) 15:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mormonism is a pseudo-Christian cult. There's no getting around that. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bugs, you're appearing on a blocked editor's page to tell them tactlessly that their religious beliefs are wrong. That can't help to improve the encyclopedia or encourage Routerone to take a more collaborative approach. If you're not going to try to help resolve the conflict, please stay away from it. alanyst 16:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::Why on earth should time periods matter? At the end of the day I know and respect Joseph Smith as a prophet, it is not "one sided" to be entitled to that viewpoint and have some endorsement of that very viewpoint when people are attempting to use this website to effectively demonize him as much as they can and twist the facts about his life. He is a figure with growing significance around the world and millions and millions of followers. I don't care if it was yesterday or 1000 years ago, he is known as a prophet and should be saw as such whether someone believes in him or not. Just like in Islam. [[User:Routerone|Routerone]] ([[User talk:Routerone#top|talk]]) 15:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 :::::Mormonism is a pseudo-Christian cult. There's no getting around that. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
+::::::Bugs, you're appearing on a blocked editor's page to tell them tactlessly that their religious beliefs are wrong.  That can't help to improve the encyclopedia or encourage Routerone to take a more collaborative approach.  If you're not going to try to help resolve the conflict, please stay away from it. [[User talk:Alanyst|alanyst]] 16:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)