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The Wikipedia Signpost Weekly Delivery Volume 3, Issue 50 10 December 2007 About the Signpost Wikipedia dragged into German politics over Nazi images Wales comments on citing Wikipedia produce BBC correction  WikiWorld comic: "Kilroy was here" News and notes: Elections, Wikimania 2009, milestones  Wikipedia in the News WikiProject Report: Greater Manchester  Features and admins Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News  The Report on Lengthy Litigation Home  |  Archives  |  Newsroom  |  Tip Line  |  Single-Page View Shortcut : WP:POST You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot (talk) 08:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your timely recovery of Music of Israel I wonder if we need to report this as vandalism? It seems to be a one-off by this particular person, since there are no other edits made from the URL. --Ravpapa (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Reply. SoLando (Talk) 14:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Someone who may interest you Came across John Joseph Shute as the result of my current "project" to sort references to the London Gazette (a website change has broken many existing links). Thought he might interest you as "Mr King's Liverpool". David Underdown (talk) 16:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC) Thank you for directing me to the article. Quite concise....I wouldn't be inclined to classify it as a stub requiring urgent attention or expansion. I am actually tempted to expand it once I've "completed" (hah!) the recurrent Liverpool Irish project, although as an archetypal Liverpudlian that would oblige me to refrain from informing my Scouse network of Shute's Conservative affiliation ;-). Judging from a cursory glance at GB and Wyrall's history of the King's Regiment, Shute appears to have been an interesting fellow. I'll certainly commit myself to researching the man soon. Thanks again! SoLando (Talk) 21:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC) It was even more concise before I added the detail of his miltary career and even there the Gazette gives you very much the barebones of what happened, but I susepcted there was quite an intresting story behind that. The timing of his involvemtn with 1st Volunteer Battalion suggests an involvement in the Boer war as well doesn't it? However, it can still be quite piecemeal trying to get info from Gazette searches, the scanning and OCR process means that the indexing doesn't always work out as you might expect as characters get mistranscribed - there must, somewhere be entries for his initial commissioning, and his majority, but I came up blanks on those (and without knowing roughly when they happened it's hard to narrow down the search any other way. David Underdown (talk) 10:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC) Apologies for the delay. Yeah, it's probable that Shute served in South Africa; the 1st Volunteers (5th King's) mobilised a contingent for "active service" in the Boer War. I'm personally unsure whether he accompanied his battalion to South Africa or even served in the war attached to another unit. His promotion to substantive Captain appears to have coincided with the deployment of that contingent. Intriguingly, there was an M.A. Shute who served in South Africa with a regular battalion while attached from the 5th King's (issue 27348) What surprises me is the paucity of information pertaining to his early life as he evidently was a prominent business figure in Liverpool. There's a micro-biography located here and a copyrighted photograph of him here. Oh, and I agree that the Gazette's search facility can still be exceedingly frustrating. I once contacted the Gazette about the issues the original website contended with and received a reply reassuring me that character identification would be improved; i.e. apostrophes would be recognised :-D Shute received his DSO during the First World War; he was a major and second-in-command to John Maxwell McMaster until his succession when the latter apparently returned to England on leave in late 1915 (it's reasonable to assume that age was a factor). SoLando (Talk) 21:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC) List of Indian Army Regiments Hi Solando, Am a Bombay Sapper and for years I have been contributing with blinkers onto Indian wildlife articles. Just discovered the lists of Indian Army Regiments which you created long ago. Gives me a 'control panel' page to work from, :-). Could you give me the references for these lists please? AshLin (talk) 05:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC) Those lists were indeed created an exceptionally long time ago. I suspect the primary source was regiments.org. Hope that's of assistance! :-) SoLando (Talk) 11:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC) Signpost updated for December 17th, 2007. 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You said you're on a "wikibreak" but you just edited, who are you trying to fool?85.178.185.62 (talk) 12:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC) This is the internet - I'm contributing to conspriracy! ;-) SoLando (Talk) 12:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC) The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXII (December 2007) The December 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 23:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC) Editing concerns Are you ordering me not to edit the pages of criminal Jews? Is it still ok to edit the pages of good Jews? Graham Wellington (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC) Reply. SoLando (Talk) 09:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC) Offensive language Brewcrewer used offensive language in an edit description of the following article: Douglas Rushkoff. How can I continue editing the article with such a disgusting swear word in front of my eyes? Graham Wellington (talk) 21:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Reply. SoLando (Talk) 22:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC) The video contains an interview with Douglass Rushkoff. Why is it inappropriate to include a link to that video within Rushkoff's own biography article? Graham Wellington (talk) 22:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Reply. SoLando (Talk) 15:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC) wellington Hi. I noticed you were dealing with him/her, and I appreciate it. I'm also short on time these days; I only get to get go in and go out quickly. But if this garbage (less offensive word ;-)) continues someone will have to drag it to WP:AN. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Reply. SoLando (Talk) 15:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC) Hi. I can't find anything on John Jamelske's ethnic/religous background. "Torah" is just the jewish/hebrew name for the Old Testament, so technically it doesn't make a difference what faith he is. But considering his history, I highly doubt pure intentions. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC) Reply. SoLando (Talk) 15:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC) William Alfred Dimoline Another one who may interest you slightly, and if any of your sources indicate more precisely when he was awarded the MC it might help persuade the Gazette website to let me find the relavent issue. David Underdown (talk) 13:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC) I've scoured the first volume of Wyrall's history (1914-1915) and found no mention. Unfortunately, Wyrall's history rarely mentions individual awards, and identifies officers by name usually only when they've become a casualty. I've been contemplating initiating a list of commanding officers and notable Kingsmen for an exceptionally long time. Listy, yes, and I'm sure WP:NOT could be invoked ;-). SoLando (Talk) 15:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry I should have said that I'd managed to pin it down to 1918 at least. It's possible that he had actually transferred to the East Surreys by then anyway, so don't worry too much about it. David Underdown (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Ah, I can assure you it wasn't an inconvenience. I've almost realised my "final" version of the Liverpool Irish, so the Shute article could be my next victime! I've actually prepared a rough draft :-). Oh, one issue of the London Gazette suggests that Dimoline had been seconded to another unit by 1916. SoLando (Talk) 16:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC) from the Gazettes it's rather difficult to work out what happened to him between 1916-18. He still seems to have been on the King's regimental list for a while, since he was given a regimental captaincy. Then there's a back-dated entry in a 1920 gazette giving him a second lieutenant's commission in the East Surreys from 1916. My best guess (rather originl research, but still), was that it was a it of a fiddle to get him a regular commission, rather than a territorial force commission. His medal card says he was 1/5th King's, but I don't think any of the gazettes spell that out. David Underdown (talk) 17:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC) If only the collection of regimental material once stored at the Museum of the King's Regiment was as conveniently accessible as as it was when the MKR was a component of the original and now historical Museum of Liverpool Life. Oh yes, the intricacies of a contemporary officer's career can be confusing and disorientating without a substantive biography detailing the various appointments and promotions. I have a tendency to avoid that veritable minefield unless relevant and unambiguous information is available or the individual was considerate enough to publish an autobiography, such as the delightfully named Charles Harington Harington ;-). SoLando (Talk) 17:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC) There's also an ODNB article on Harington http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/33712 - it requires subscription, but you'll probably find you can log on using the number from your library card (assuming you have one, and if not you may find it worthwhile purely for the online sources it opens up). David Underdown (talk) 09:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Ah, the Liverpool Central Library will be thrilled to behold my return ;-). I can only assume it is subscribed as I'm convinced it wasn't apparently aware of its entitltement to access the Times' Archive - but that's unreliable without a source! Hopefully I'll frequent the library this weekend. But don't hesitate to contribute to the article, if you're interested and so inclined. Collaboration is still the essence of Wikipedia :-). SoLando (Talk) 10:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I'll let you flesh out the overall structure of the article first, then see if te ODNB article adds anything, and see what the gazete throws out too. I alos found couple of passing mentions in Richard Holmes's book Tommy, includign a nice little quote about not being able to tell where Plumer ended and Harington began. David Underdown (talk) 10:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I don't expect a dramatic expansion tonight, but I'll endeavour to develeop the article into something resembling substance :-) From a cursory glance of his autobiography, he was reasonably travelled ;-). I've noted the relationship between Plumer and Harington in the introduction. If only there was a direct quote. SoLando (Talk) 11:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC) One last thing, are you aware that (many of) the original WWI unit war diaries are available online from The National Archives, see [1]. David Underdown (talk) 17:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Indeed. To be candid, I was researching some of my relatives and yielded quite interesting information. But that's completely irrelevant ;-). The applicability of a war diary is debatable, IMO. Not because they constitute a primary source, as they would surely only be used to verify indisputable information likes dispositions and movements (and last time I gazed at WP:V, that was still acceptable), but because they've arguably been deprecated (in terms of writing an article) by regimental histories, et al. That has been my personal experience. Admittedly, the history of the King's Regiment and its associates have been exceptionally documented. SoLando (Talk) 18:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC) Thankyou My sincerest thanks for the barnstar. My radar has recently refocused on the VC lists again. Frankly, it is a bit of a mess at the moment, but I am trying to plough through them and amalgamate them into easy to use lists. It is always nice to be noticed. If you ever need any help, as always, just ask. Thanks again. Woody (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC) I have been thinking about the best way to do that one, probably split into 4 parts. I will try and get the main British ones upto scratch first. It is a long-term goal I think. :) Woody (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC) I think most, if not all recipients have articles. I am currently amalgamating the List of Victoria Cross recipients by unit into national lists such as List of Australian Victoria Cross recipients. The south African list is my next job, after that, merging the Canadian units into the nationality list. Then, hopefully, the by unit list becomes deprecated. After that, probably do the same for List of Victoria Cross recipients by campaign. The number of individual pages is quite exhausting. Woody (talk) 13:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I see you've started on the Aussies, Merci Beaucoup!! Woody (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC) We need to decide whether to go with larger regiments in the unit such as Maratha Light Infantry, Canadian Expeditionary Force or more specific such as battalions. My initial opinion is to stick with the larger units, as they will be blue links for the most part. I doubt many battalions will have red links, or will ever be converted into blue links. Woody (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC) Specific battalions shouldn't necessarily be a problem, in that the vast majority had/have numerical designations. So that would allow for an unformatted rendering or piped links without table clutter, e.g. 6th Maratha Light Infantry. Entirely your discretion :-)SoLando (Talk) 20:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC) Yep, that looks good, I would go with unpiped at the moment. Woody (talk) 20:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC) Harington The main comments on his character are, ‘a spare, highly strung man, with a charming manner and remarkable clarity of vision’, and also the mention that he was deeply religious. I've noted from the original DNB article (as opposed to the current ODNB entry) and an initial delve in the Times archive that he seems to have been involved with Toc H after the war, which bears out the religous aspect. From the later Gazette entries, one of his honorary positions was Commandant of the Army Educational Corps, and he founded and was first president of the Army Sports Control Board whilst he was DCIGS, which bears out the educational aspects. I suspect he was very much a man of his time, stiff upper lip and all, and many deeply ingrained attitudes which do seem rather dated today. He was certainly no yes man, he disobeyed Lloyd-George's instruction to give the Turks an ultimatum over Chanak, probably costing himself the chance of becoming CIGS, but avoiding the strong possibility of naother major war. Times articles also show that he opened a number of war memorials, often in public schools, and again the DNB says he was involved in runign boys' clubs after his retirement from Gibraltar. His involvement in the committee of the MCC also shows him to be a man of his times in many ways. His sporting prowess throws an interesting sidelight on his character and background (from the ODNB), "During these early years, as later, he excelled at all games, especially cricket and hockey, possibly because hunting was beyond his means. When he was in his fifties he swam the Hellespont and back and in his sixties he was still playing high class cricket." So presumably he had no real private income, which still made him something of a rarity in those days so far as the British army was concerned (though William Robertson did manage to rise from private to field marshal and in the cavalry at that). Despite this possible social handicap, he seems to have been very popular around York when he was GOC Northern Command. On his contradictions, other Times articles include quotes about him calling Franco a "Friend of Britain", and as Governor of Gibraltar being quite accomodating to the German Navy when the German pocket battleship Deutschland was attacked by the Spanish republican air force. Don't know if any of this is actually any help. David Underdown (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC) Signpost updated for January 14th, 2008. The Wikipedia Signpost Weekly Delivery Volume 4, Issue 3 14 January 2008 About the Signpost From the editor: A new weekly feature  Special: 2007 in Review Wikimania 2009 bidding ends, jury named  Controversial non-administrator rollback process added Supposed advance draft of Jobs keynote surfaces on talk page  WikiWorld comic: "The Nocebo Effect" News and notes: Fundraiser ends, $500,000 donation, milestones  Wikipedia in the News Tutorial: Fundamentals of editing  Features and admins Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News  The Report on Lengthy Litigation Home  |  Archives  |  Newsroom  |  Tip Line  |  Single-Page View Shortcut : WP:POST You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list. Ralbot (talk) 09:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC) Greetings and other things ... I've been thinking very hard about your comment on my talk page a week or so back. Assuming you still think it's good idea (and I really don't mind if you don't), I'd like to go for it. My concern so far is that I'm primarily a content editor, with a bit of dabbling in project organisation (Tag & Assess, for istance) and I wouldn't want that basic mix to change too much. However, I have done vandal-fighting and went through a spell of CSDing from NPP during lulls. The other thing is to ask whether you fancy cooperating on List of Welsh Victoria Cross recipients to get it to featured list. The basics are there already so it's just adding loads of bells, whistles and references :) --ROGER DAVIES talk 16:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Coincidentally, Woody has just this minute come along with what seems like a better idea for the Welsh VCs so scratch that suggestion!--ROGER DAVIES talk 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC) I would encourage pursuit of adminship and would unhesitatingly endorse as a nominator/co-nominator/third nominator, etc. I suspect, however, that I'm not a particularly "glamourous" (!;-) broom handler. Becoming an administrator isn't as profound a change as some might be inclined to believe. Yes, you have access to the various privileges thereof and your status/image/reputation within the community can be fundamentally altered ;-). But unless you proactively pursue as a primary activity the most "demanding" responsibilities - conflict/dispute mediation/resolution, tendentious/disruptive users, et al - content editing, etc can still remain your primary focus. Countering vandalism and moderating new pages, closing AFDs, et al isn't so time consuming that it would be detrimental to your preferred method of contribution. That is unless, like me, you're still burdened with dial up. I hope that was coherent and helpful :-). And here would have existed a second paragraph. ;-) SoLando (Talk) 17:04, 22 January 2008 (UTC)