User talk:Theplanetsaturn

Arcayne

Thanks much. Your effort to appease me on what must seem to be a petty issue means quite a bit. It is appreciated, and I look forward to returning the spirit of cooperation in the future.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, to you, it wasn't petty, so I am glad that my archiving early to remove it from the trafficked area was able to make you feel better about the situation. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 04:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Potential harrassment

I think, considering the history, you thought better of your posting. In which case, kudos to you. Personally, I don't think anyone comes out of this particular episode smelling of roses (do they ever), but I do think you should avoid Arcayne; or make your peace with said individual.

Do you, perhaps know the book I'm OK, you're OK? Basically, the hypothesis is that many people consider that for them to be 'up', they need to drive someone else 'down'. The short circuiting of that approach is to suggest that everybody can be 'OK', without any cost to anyone - beyond an acceptance of their own faults and being prepared to move forward with others (accepting their faults too). Personally, I think everyone should be 'ok' - and that does mean Arcayne with you too.

The way forward is to put the past behind us, and for everyone to try to find some common ground that moves issues forward without involving personalities. I do hope that helps Kbthompson (talk) 01:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Dr. Who trivia

No, I don't mind the friendly comment at all (it's a welcome change - I hate bickering with folk). I do have a question, though: when you say the following: "it seems that the trivia in question might be limited to continuity between the two different series", could I trouble you to explain what you mean in more detail? Remember that the term series means different things in the UK and in the US. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 21:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Okey-doke. I'll try to not cock it up too much. Contribute when you can. I anticipate some resistance, so compadrés will be helpful. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Billie Joe Armstrong edit.

"RV-as feeling not mutual".

LOL. ExRat (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Three revert warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on El Sobrante, California. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. You've deleted the Judy Malloy cite three times, characterizing it as a vanity entry. Malloy is not adding the cite, so this complaint lacks validity. You've also stated Malloy is not relevant to El Sobrante, yet she lives there. Residency in El Sobrante is reason enough for inclusion. Binksternet (talk) 17:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Still have a problem with Malloy, do you? Quit removing her; there's no good reason to do so. Binksternet (talk) 18:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Vanity entry. Culled.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

No, Judy Malloy is an author and artist with firm credentials. Restored. Don't restart this tired, old revert war. Binksternet (talk) 19:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

You're arguing the notability of Malloy (an entry you created). I'm not seeing the relevance to El Sobrante other than that she moved there after doing the things that made her notable. This "tired, old revert war" ended with a consensus squarely against you. A consensus you have repeatedly attempted to circumvent. The history is plain to see on the discussion page. Seek a consensus for inclusion.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 20:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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El Sobrante

Could you please comment on Talk:El_Sobrante,_California#Notable_residents to say whether or not you agree with my suggestion, which will enable us to put this conversation to bed? Bigger digger (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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Green Day and ALternative

Your revert on the Green Day article does not have a description,

please explain.--DavisHawkens (talk) 10:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Green Day

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Green Day/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

List of The Incredibles characters

If you believe that characters that appear in just one film and a couple of video games (that are part of the promotion of the film) are notable enough to have a separated list, then add information first to the film article to support your views, and then make the split. The Incredibles have no appearances outside the film/video games and a short live comic series, and have not received deep coverage by reliable secondary sources. They are no more notable than Finding Nemo or Monsters Inc. characters. You should also take a look at Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Writing About Fiction. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The comic series is ongoing and has been met with critical acclaim, so the characters involved in the series are notable enough for inclusion. I have no problem with the list being integrated, but not the way you have been doing it, which results in the deletion of a great deal of material. Generally speaking you don't seem to have alot of support on this, and I think you should seek a consensus before continuing to redirect the article.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 04:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Even if the comic series were notable (however, it does not even has an article), that does not autmatically makes the characters notable. Lady and the Tramp, Finding Nemo or Wall E are extremely notable, but their characters are not splitted in a separated list. The comics, as well as the video games, are part of the media related to the film. Notability occurs outside related media. --LoЯd ۞pεth 05:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

If notability only occurs outside related material, I assume you will be deleting the Star Wars expanded universe page next? We'll see how that goes over.

The comic is original licensed material. Not supplemental material generated internally. Furthermore, the comic series is ongoing and has met both critical acclaim and award nominations.

And you know as well as I do that the lack (or presence) of a Wikipedia article does not indicate notability or a lack thereof.

I agree that the page could use some editing. But you are in the minority here and your insistence on deleting material against majority will is nothing but inflammatory, thus hindering any discussion on article improvement. Do us all a favor and restore the material, and deal with this issue on the talk page.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 05:18, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Minority vs Majority. I assume you alone are an overwhelming majority? OK...

The Star Wars universe has met notability outside the Star Wars media, take a look at Darth Vader or Jabba the Hutt for instance. That is notable. --LoЯd ۞pεth 05:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You don't seem to be discussing this in good faith. Where did I use the word "overwhelming"? I didn't. So let's be clear: A majority has argued against you. That is fact. As shown by looking at the edits of the last couple of days, I'm not the only one who has reverted or challenged you on this. So your use of the word "only" is absurd. As for Star Wars, did I not clearly say "expanded"? Yes. I did. Expanded does not mean Jabba the Hutt or Darth Vader. It refers to official licensed material generated outside the films. So please explain what makes the "expanded" Star Wars universe notable while this one is not.Theplanetsaturn (talk)

Once again, we are discussing the notability of the characters, not the notability of the expanded universe. Let's pretend for a second that The Incredibles "expanded universe" is the most notable piece of fiction in the world. Even with that, the characters must prove notability by themselves, not just depending or relying on the notability of their fictional universes and expanded universes. --LoЯd ۞pεth 05:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I get that this is your opinion. My understanding is that: "Elements that are important to understanding a work of fiction, but that lack significant real-world information may, if they are currently cluttering the main article, be dealt with very briefly in the form of a list article of, for instance, minor characters or episodes. Such list articles generally provide a very brief overview of topics, and do not go into great detail. These articles should still deal with elements that are important to understanding the work — lists that amount to trivial and inconsequential information are not acceptable."

You seem to feel the information in the list is trivial or inconsequential. I disagree, and judging by the fact that I am not the only one to revert your edits, your opinion on this matter is that of the minority. Since you are clearly in the minority, you should act in a less inflammatory manner by leaving the article as is and seeking a consensus on the Talk Page.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 21:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Tron characters

You make a claim that both Tron 2.0 and Tron: Legacy are official canon, yet every article I have read states that is not the case. Could you please provide a reference that backs your changes? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at this link: [1] - The relevant quote: "It's extremely rare, however, for a game to be the official sequel to a movie -- especially a film that's 21 years old." That was after just a minute or two search. Back in 2003-ish, Disney packaged and sold 2.0 as the official sequel.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That was then, do you have anything that currently supports your changes? As often happens with these things, stories, etc. that were once canon change. Star Trek is a prime example. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

That's why I said it was a retcon. The language I used in the alterations accounts for this. It says that 2.0 is not a part of the Legacy continuity, but keeps the documented fact that 2.0 was the official sequel to the original film.

These things do change, but history is history. Frankly, the order of information should also be reorganized according to release. I left that alone as I knew it would be to contentious for most people.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 20:44, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Based upon the newest interview from Boxoffice Magazine, I have made some tweaks that address your points while establishing that the Tron 2.0 story line is now non-canon. Also based on this interview, the new movie and stories are not retcons but the new established canon story with the Tron 2.0 story line discarded. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 07:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

How is it not a retcon?Theplanetsaturn (talk) 07:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Also: http://xray-studios.livejournal.com/74710.html

Also: I should clarify. I'm just being conversational at this point. I think your edit is a reasonable compromise and I don't intend to contest it.Theplanetsaturn (talk) 08:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Stop harrassing Coder Dan on his user page

You have no special authority here, and deleting parts of other people's user pages is an extreme and usually inappropriate action.

You did correctly to bring what you considered to be an abuse problem to ANI for administrator review. Since then, you have overreached and are now in violation of policies yourself.

Please stop. Do not edit his user page again. An uninvolved administrator can remove the section if a final consensus on the ANI discussion is that it's inappropriate.

Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)