User talk:VernoWhitney

Guerilla Opera

I've re-added some of the basic information that you deleted, re-written to avoid the original editor's close paraphrasing. Take a look and see if it's OK. There are only so many ways that one can say they commission operas, are the resident ensemble at the Boston Conservatory and perform in the Zack Box Theater. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:42, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

That looks fine. Thank you! VernoWhitney (talk) 14:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh,man

Ah, Verno, it breaks my heart. Never mind the endless hours involved, the damage to the project is so discouraging. :( What are we going to do? </end rhetorical despairing question>. Some days it makes me want to go curl up somewhere with a pint of ice cream and cry. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I opt for milk'n'cookies myself. With that CCI at least there's a decent chance of doing double-duty with the Banglapedia sources. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Tahadi Games

Hi there, about the Tahadi Games page, I might be wrong with the way I created it.. But would it be okay if i rewrite the information? Thanks in advance, Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Violadelesseps (talk • contribs) 10:56, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the material can be rewriteen, but it should be rewritten from scratch. If you take the same words and just reorganize them some you can create a close paraphrase which is still a problem, so please be aware of that. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 11:32, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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Letters to Father Jacob

While I appreciate your efforts and contributions to wikipedia, it's certainly becoming harder and more burdensome to edit wikipedia articles. I'm not surprised wikipedians r leaving. The two sections you removed are the plot and the director's statement. I had done some rewording on the plot. I can improve this. Removing it altogether is a step in the wrong direction. The director's statement is a quote. The NFC policy isn't explicit about the length of allowable quotes ('brief' is by no means definitive). If you take a pragmatic approach and consider the essence and meaning of having a policy around quoting NFC, the idea is that people don't quote entire published articles and books that would have a significant market value, and thereby forfeit revenue for the owner of this material. For all pragmatic purposes, 6 sentences (particularly a comment about a movie rather than a piece of poetry), is unlikely to have anything other than an immaterial market value. In addition, the quote comes from "http://www.efp-online.com" which is the European Film Promotion site funded by the EU - their material is aimed to promote films, not to be sold. Having it quoted and viewed would be to their benefit.

The image I added I just copied from the original Finnish article: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:PPJ_juliste.jpg I usually screw up adding images to commons so I was expecting this. i was hoping someone would fix it up for meUtopial (talk) 10:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

We cannot be explicit with the meaning of "brief' because brief is relative to the size of the article and the source and to the centrality of the quote to either. In Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises, a book publisher was found to have infringed a 500 page book with the use of 300 or 400 words. 250 words is a fair approximation of a single printed page, though some books have considerably more. We're talking less than .4% of the book here, and it was found to be extensive. The quote in question is 185 words long. The page from which it is taken is about 328 words long. That's over 50% of the source page, which is not brief. The page in which you used it had 365 words of creative text, so it was almost 50% of that page as well. While Wikipedia's non-commercial nature may help shelter us in the event of a legal challenge, there's no compelling need for us to test our luck, and our reusers will not necessarily enjoy that shelter. Wikipedia was created specifically to permit reuse and wide publication elsewhere (including commercially), which is one reason why our WP:NFCC policy is deliberately more narrow than U.S. law. When selecting quotes, you should consider the proportion of the quote to each document and the necessity for a quote at all. Frequently, content can be properly paraphrased with shorter, limited quotations chosen to express highlights.

As far as the plot section is concerned, I'm afraid that we are mandated to remove content that violates copyright. We can't leave it published in the article while waiting for people to rewrite it. Minimal rewording may still constitute a derivative work, particularly when you are also incorporating literal phrases from the original, such as:

Every day the mail man brings letters from people asking for help from pastor Jacob. Answering the letters is Jacob´s life mission, while Leila thinks it´s useless. Leila has already decided to leave the parsonage when the letters suddenly stop coming. Jacob´s life is shaken to its foundation.

Please make sure that the content you wish to add to Wikipedia meets our copyright policy and Terms of Use before placing it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:57, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Moonriddengirl seems to have covered the text aspect fairly comprehensively, so let me just add that as far as the image goes you should know that commons only accepts freely licensed images, and even run through Google Translate it's clear that the Finnish one is marked as copyrighted, so "fixing" it involves deleting it. It can be uploaded to Wikipedia under our NFCC policy and fair use, but not Wikimedia Commons. VernoWhitney (talk) 11:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Sick computer

Hi, Verno. I foolishly followed a link in an OTRS e-mail this morning, and my computer is loaded with viruses. In the event that I fall off the face of the planet, can you let others know? I'm meant to be compiling a list of checked articles for Uncle G's bot (I'm on page 2). I'm also creating an edit notice for pages that I've finished (see Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo 1, for example). Hopefully Webroot will be able to clean this up without downtime! :/ (Don't follow links.) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out in case you fall off in case anyone asks - although I don't know how much good I'd be at filling in for you should you completely disappear. Good luck with your computer woes. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Webroot declares confidently that it has quarantined everything. On User:Avraham's recommendation, I am now running it through Malwarebytes. At this point, I'm beginning to think it may be faster for me to just go through the list and unblank articles that have been checked. It took me over an hour to do the first 1,000, and the second 1,000 isn't going any faster! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear things are looking up. I saw your conversation with Uncle G, and I think I agree - reverting the blanking would probably be quicker. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Hank3.jpg

Seeing as you brought it up... Could you please fix the licensing on this image? J Milburn (talk) 15:15, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Fix it how? I'm not sure what you mean. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I just saw your comment at the BRFA. Until I go find it in the original source I'm not going to change the license. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

How long will that take? J Milburn (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Probably about as long as it would take you to find the original source and figure it out. <shrug> I do have some other things I'm working on too. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:37, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, guys. Sorry to butt in here, but I thought to fix this one myself. I thought I had found File:Hank3.jpg in the book in question, but actually I found File:Henry Grow.jpg. File:Hank3.jpg is a colorized version of the same with an expanded background. Obviously the picture is pre-1913, since the crop of it was published in 1913, but I'm not sure that I've handled the sourcing correctly.:/ What do y'all suppose I should put there? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

So Henry Grow looks to be fine if that's the one in the book. I'm not sure how to get more accurate for Hank without reintroducing the PII which was requested to be redacted in the first place. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

That's most definitely the one in the book. Good point about the history; it did include some information ("Retouched and colorized by Craig Ferroggiaro at Dmax Imaging in San Francisco, CA.") that I could restore. I don't think colorization adds enough creativity to constitute a problem, but images make me profoundly uneasy. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:33, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

It may be out of date, but this summary I found regarding film colorization makes it sound like a definitive "maybe". In this particular case I agree with you and think it doesn't add sufficient creativity, but it could always go to MCQ or PUF for community input if anyone disagrees. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Open Gallery

Restored, thank you. - 2/0 (cont.) 22:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Jesus Youth Temporary Article

Hi Verno, As per your comments on the Jesus Youth wikipedia article I created, I have edited the ones that may be a copyright infringement and added only the details that I personally have acquired about the movement. So could you please check the Talk page, Talk:Jesus_Youth/Temp and confirm if it can be moved to the original page. Thanks,Jyrejoice (talk) 12:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't have time to look at it right now, but I've made a note so that it won't get overlooked. Thank you for your efforts in cleaning the article. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Chord Overstreet

Hi. I have written the Chord Overstreet article from scratch. I think the copyvio template can be removed now, and the page moved. Thanks! Yvesnimmo (talk) 07:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Jigyasa (National Level Paper Presentation Competition DOMS IIT Roorkee)

Hi The material is available at the public domain and I have the permission of the author to use the material on Wikipedia. The material belongs to Indian Institute of Technology, Roorkee and I am one of its students.

Divyegarg (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Publicly available does not mean public domain. Looking at http://www.iitr.ac.in/departments/DM/pages/Activities+JIGYASA_2010.html which also contains a copy of the material, we see that it is clearly marked "© 2010. All Rights Reserved, IIT Roorkee". If you do have permission from the copyright holder, then please have them follow the steps listed at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials so that we can verify that. Thank you. VernoWhitney (talk) 10:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Richie Fitzgerald

Hi vernowhitney i rewrote text at link below Talk:Richie Fitzgerald/Temp is it possible to replace it with text above thanks for you help and apologies for the hassle regards sean —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean McPhillips (talk • contribs) 18:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for rewriting it! VernoWhitney (talk) 19:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Confused...

Hi VernoWhitney, can you block O Fenian from edit-warring on the Giant's Causeway wp as he has been involved in vandalism. Thankyou. As for your warning, I am not sure what that is for?Factocop (talk) 16:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not an administrator, so I cannot block anyone. If there is edit warring then it should be reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. I left you the warning because you described another user's edits as "terrorism". That sort of comment is inappropriate no matter how disruptive an editor's actions may be. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Help with a non-free image

I see that you are active at WP:NFR, so perhaps you can help me. If you look at Jeff Buckley, an unfree image (with a rather sketchy source) is being used in the infobox right now. Would I be able to switch that unfree image with another unfree image from jeffbuckley.com, where I would be able to attribute the source and copyright holder properly? Nymf _hideliho! 21:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There appear to be no free images, so replacing one non-free image with another is perfectly acceptable. In fact it would be preferable so that we could be sure of the appropriate attribution, as you pointed out. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Joseph J. Spengler blanked article

Hello, V. You do appropriate and necessary but surely not easy WP work.

Concerning Joseph J. Spengler (history · last edit), it looks like all that would be necessary to fix the problem is permission from Duke University to use http://web.archive.org/web/20061006120242/http://econ.duke.edu/History/Spengler/spengler.html material. (1) Is that correct? (2) The previous Edit should certainly have cited the source, whether copyrighted or not. Easy for me to say after the fact. I don't see any copyright notice at the above site. Is it a WP policy assumption that any material not expressly stated as waiving a copyright protection is presumed to be treated as though copyright protected?

I have come across another instance, the article on Ansley J. Coale, in which the article was started by citing the source used with permission at fn. 1. So, that should not be hard to come by if it is sought. I hope that the individual if s/he violated WP policy would be able to remedy the problem & intend to express sympathy on the user's page. Thank you. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 08:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi! Yes, getting permission from the copyright holder would remedy the problem. The copyright holder is most likely Duke University, but it could also be an individual who wrote the article. If you would like to try getting permission, we have some steps outlined at WP:PERMISSIONS which you can follow to try and ensure that we get usable permission from the copyright holder without a lot of back and forth.

To continue, yes, they should have cited the source, but that alone wouldn't resolve the copyright problem. Copyright is granted automatically upon publication, and so a copyright notice is not required. I'm not finding the appropriate line in policy at the moment (it's still early for me), but Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright gives a decent rundown of it and basically, yes, we need content to be explicitly released under a free license (CC-BY-SA) or into the public domain or for there to be other evidence that it is in the public domain (e.g., created by the US Federal Government, published before 1923, etc.).

As far as Ansley J. Coale goes, that quoted permission does appear on every Princeton Weekly Bulletin and it's fairly broad so it may be allowable. I'm not entirely sure, though, so I'll defer on that issue to a more experienced editor who also works with copyrights and get her opinion about it. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:48, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, thank you. I should mention that I removed the above Archive link in favor of a later, more pleasing-looking link. I hope that permission is sought and granted in all cases for the specific pages identified. I'd be willing to seek it for the Joseph J. Spengler article, unless its creator would wish to. I was taken aback, so I'd guess that the creator was too. If you would have any suggestions as to what should have happen first before seeking permission for use of the Archive source as to the creator responding, I'd welcome them. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 13:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by removing the archive link. I looked for a copy of the article on current Duke site but wasn't able to find it since they either moved it or removed it entirely.

There are very few editors who regularly work with copyrights so I'm afraid we just don't have time to request permission from every source we find. If you would like to go ahead and request permission for Joseph J. Spengler that would be greatly appreciated. The contributor of that material hasn't edited since March '09 and so will likely take no action. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Good points. The previous page edit at the 2nd to last Ref. had this nice-looking link: http://econ.duke.edu/about/history/individuals/joseph-j-spengler. The earliest Edit I believe had a "Spengler Profile" link, now located at the top "archive" link but which became a deadlink before I before I removed it. I think it may still may be referenced in the Duke library online archives. Its inclusion from the start before any other links were added would indicate to me that the creator had good intents (otherwise why expose oneself to an unpleasant later discovery?).

I'll email Duke and see if it is agreeable to WP using its Archive or current material. The FAQ Copyright link above should have everything. Thanks for your help. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, clearly I missed that reference, I was looking at earlier versions of the article. Thanks.

Even if the creator had good intents they copied material from a wide variety of sources and when some of it was removed they only replied "no copyright violation", but there's no indication or evidence of permission from any of the sources they copied from, so I'm afraid that all of their contributions are being reviewed for copyright violations at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Robertsch55. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Uh-oh. As you suggest, good intents are not enough. Still in Frank Knight case, everything is transparent (not necessarily enough to save the edit), and the lack of a copyright notice at the New School site could explain an incorrect inference that it was OK to copy. A case is easy if it seems to use only a single source. Thanks. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why copyright has its own header under Assume good faith: WP:AGFC. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm dubious about clogging your space like this, but I'd appreciate it if you (or a suggested designee) could critique (possibly with a "yes" or"no") or rewrite the following indented paragraphs as an email request.

1. I request permission of Duke University to grant Wikipedia use of http://web.archive.org/web/20061006120242/http://econ.duke.edu/History/Spengler/spengler.html to copy or adapt. It would be especially useful in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_J._Spengler (currently blanked). The permission would be in accepting Wikipedia-compatible form among those green-check listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#Can_I_add_something_to_Wikipedia_that_I_got_from_somewhere_else.3F with the statement there that "Only text that is licensed compatibly with the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) or in the public domain can be freely copied onto Wikipedia." (I would add "or adapted onto Wikipedia" to that quotation to make it less likely to be misunderstood.)
2. Another great demographic economist is the subject of a Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansley_J._Coale, based on an online article at http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/02/1118/2o.shtml in Princeton Weekly Bulletin 92, No. 10 (Nov. 18, 2002) (per fn. 1 in the Wikipedia article, including the statement there that: "[The preceding link] is the original source of the biographical summary [on Coale] and is entered into Wikipedia based on the following statement in the Bulletin: 'Permission is given to adapt, reprint or excerpt material from the Bulletin for use in other media.'"). So, there's a related precedent for my request.

3. I thought (2) would help, but I'd drop it if so advised.

4. I didn't get into copy vio issues, because I thought that they were unnecessary.

5. Similarly, I was not going to enclose a form b/c I thought Duke would want to do that, possibly in an email attachment. Thank you for your help. P.S. There is no urgency as to a response for an obvious reason (i.e., we're all underpaid). --Thomasmeeks (talk) 15:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I'm busy avoiding real work at the moment so I can answer now. First, I would ask permission to use the http://econ.duke.edu/about/history/individuals/joseph-j-spengler page that you pointed me to since that's their current one - the Internet Archive one I really just used to confirm that it was copied from them to us and not from us to them. I'd probably leave off #2 since we're trying to double-check with Princeton that the use on Wikipedia is, in fact, allowed so that there's no ambiguity. If Princeton says no then we take down the other page and that could get awkward if the people from Duke then looked at it for an example. I agree that going into copyvio issues isn't really necessary since it's already blanked and tagged for removal unless we get permission. Finally, I would at least provide a link to and mention something like if they're willing to let us use it then here's a sample form which could be used. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Nice opening line (: ). Good suggestions and leads. I like your optimism & will give it a try. Here's a revision incorporating suggestions above with the big one bolded.

1.1 On behalf of Wikipedia, I am requesting permission from Duke University to publish content on the following site: http://econ.duke.edu/about/history/individuals/joseph-j-spengler

It would be especially useful in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_J._Spengler (currently blanked). If Duke would be willing to grant such permission to Wikipedia, a form to be completed and other details are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENT with an email address of permissions-commons@wikimedia.org where the form could be sent. I'd also appreciate a courtesy email copy as well.

1.2 The permission would be relative to a Wikipedia-compatible form among those green-check-listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#Can_I_add_something_to_Wikipedia_that_I_got_from_somewhere_else.3F with the statement there that "Only text that is licensed compatibly with the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) or in the public domain can be freely copied onto Wikipedia."

Any other comments would be welcome. If you think (1.2) is unnecessary, I'd be glad to remove it. Again thanks. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd make it permissions-enwikimedia.org instead of commons so it gets filed correctly from the start, but other than that it looks pretty good. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Details matter. So, your 1st sentence above helped. For the record, here's what I emailed after first contacting by phone the person at Duke I thought could help (indicating that I'd be including little identifying personal information, which conceivably might reach become public information):

"[Name, title, and address of contact person + salutation]

"I didn't know to whom best to send this, but I'm confident that you would direct this to wherever it needs to go.

"On behalf of Wikipedia, I am requesting permission from Duke University to publish content on the following site: http://econ.duke.edu/about/history/individuals/joseph-j-spengler Content there would be especially useful in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_J._Spengler (currently blanked). If Duke would be willing to grant such permission to Wikipedia, a form to be completed and other details are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CONSENT with an email address of permissions-enwikimedia.org where the form could be sent. I'd also appreciate a courtesy email copy as well.

"The permission would be relative to a Wikipedia-compatible form among those green-check-listed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright#Can_I_add_something_to_Wikipedia_that_I_got_from_somewhere_else.3F with the statement there that "Only text that is licensed compatibly with the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) or in the public domain can be freely copied onto Wikipedia."

"Sincerely, [My name]"

Thanks again. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Joseph J. Spengler/Temp

Hi Vernon, I still have your talk page on my watch list and hope you don't mind me butting in.;-) I created a basic stub on the temp talk page above, so at least there will be something if the article has to get deleted. But frankly, with all the palaver of getting permissions, it seems to me that the time of the editors concerned would be better spent actually re-writing the article in their own words on the temp page, with a brief quote from the Duke source (or a longer one if permission is eventually granted). The blanked version as it's currently written isn't in encyclopedic style and reads like an appreciation from colleagues (which it is) rather than a biographical article. In fact, there's very little actual biographical detail in it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:06, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know that I've ever minded people butting in. ^_^ Thank you for rewriting the article. I would spend more time re-writing articles myself except for the fact that I'm not very good at it. I can usually rewrite a couple of sentences, but more than that and it takes me hours or days to work out, so I generally spend my time on things I can do more quickly and efficiently. Anyways, thanks again for providing that so it doesn't all get tossed if permission doesn't come through. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 11:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Permissions

Verno... Thanks for the heads up. I'll work on getting the permissions with correct information. Noles1984 (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Verno... Does the declaration found at Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries cover all images on a site or does one have to apply specific info per image. The owners, the nice people they are, gave me a blanket "yes" for their images. Thank you... Noles1984 (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Where the consent form says "SPECIFY THE WORK HERE" they can fill in whatever they want: either a particular image or every image on their website or anything in-between. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps I was unclear: the copyright holders need to fill out the consent form and send it in, we cannot simply accept their blanket "yes" and let you fill in the details. We require this so that we can verify that they understand exactly what they are agreeing to. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Well that certainly makes the situation entirely different. I can see where an individual would state its alright for a single image and one occurance. If they have many images, would a single statement from them for their entire collection do? I can certainly see where a statement for every image would be problematic in that they are answering several emails. Get back to me. Noles1984 (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, as I said before: When they fill out the form they can state that it applies to their entire collection. VernoWhitney (talk) 16:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

OTRS

Just a question if I may VernoWhitney I am looking through files with old OTRS pending notices and adding no-permission notices as appropriate, some have been waiting for over a year. In some examples I find that the OTRS ticket number has been added by somebody who does not appear to be an OTRS volunteer. An example is File:Economic Simulator.png which has an OTRS ticket number added by User:DieBuche who does not appear on the list of OTRS volunteers but has added the ticket number to a number of files. Should I be concerned or assume good faith when others add the ticket number, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

First off, thanks for going through those old files and tagging them. That's something I've been thinking of automating but haven't gotten around to writing yet. Anyways, User:DieBuche is an OTRS volunteer - so those are okay. OTRS members aren't required to list themselves anywhere at least as far as Wikipedia goes, so there's really no telling. In my experience the people are adding OTRS tags to images they uploaded themselves are sometimes questionable, so you may want to ask someone to check up on those, but I haven't personally noticed a non-OTRS editor tagging a bunch of files they didn't upload themselves. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

OK understood, it would nice if the OTRS pending category was dated some how. Thanks for the reply. MilborneOne (talk) 15:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

SOCCORSO CLOWN

… has been restored! Airplaneman ✈ 20:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing template

Bot question. Here. Can you help? :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. As an aside, I'm not sure whether to be sad that you've already forgotten that VWBot lists the close paraphrases or happy that it fits so seamlessly into the rest of the automagic around here that you just take it for granted. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 21:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

You can go either way. :D Fact is, I have a woefully bad memory. I have come upon articles listed by VWbot at CP that were blanked and not listed and wondered irritably who had tagged them...only to find I had. :) To (probably mis)quote Sherlock Holmes: "I don't need a memory; I have notes!" That said, I am now fully taking VWBot for granted. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll go with happy then. It's come in handier than I expected it would what with all of the new people working at CCI these days. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your explanations. I guess, we need a special course of practical training in Wiki, because of numerous tools that are very helpful and necessary. The simple reading of rules without practice may not be enough for good results. And I think there may be some tool that helps to arrange the editing window with tools to be uniform in all language Wikis. I will try to practice with the rule you prompted, and if I will have questions, I will ask you, if you do not mind. Thanks, -- Zara-arush (talk) 13:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Glad I could help. I know the's a new admin school for training with their advanced tools, but sadly I don't know of any practical training courses for us mere editors. If you do have any questions feel free to drop me a line any time. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Received your instructions for moving pages

Thank you for explaining. Sorry for the trouble I caused. I inserted a warning in the talk page of the new and old article immediately after my cut and paste, and I copied there the "Class B" statement. I did not know that there was a more efficient and effective way to do the job.

As far as I can remember, in the recent past I created two pages (Five-limit tuning and Physiological cross sectional area) in which I moved only a part of other articles (Just intonation and Pennate muscle). Since the old articles were not totally deleted, this should not be a problem.

--Paolo.dL (talk) 14:05, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

It's completely understandable (and fixable) so don't worry too much about it. I'll just add some notes to those other pages you split out so that the original authors of the text are attributed appropriately and it'll all be taken care of. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 14:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Montsant

Thank you for informing me about the fact that Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

I moved Montsant to Montsant DO because the former Montsant article was only about the wine and that was too ambitious a title for such a restricted field. The wine gets its name from the Montsant mountain region and the Montsant River in the same area. I regret the trouble that the move has caused and realize now that the talk page of the disambiguation is about the wine. Should I move it or should I leave now things as they are? Xufanc (talk) 15:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I would leave the talk page alone until an administrator comes along and moves the edit history to catch up with Montsant DO - they should fix the talk page at the same time. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Just in case you didn't notice, an admin fixed the edit history and the talk page, so everything's cleaned up now. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 03:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Me gone

Some men I don't recognize, expressing my appreciation.

Hi, Verno. I wanted to let you know that I'm going to be out of town at a conference (:P :P) this weekend, so I won't be available most of tomorrow (odds are good I'll log in before scooting out of town; if I'm running uncharacteristically late, I won't get on), all of Saturday and probably most of Sunday. I've asked User:CactusWriter and User:Mkativerata to help keep an eye on CP, so hopefully there won't be a backlog. (And maybe the open issue on that musician will close. :D) After you become an admin (and I trust you know that I plan to offer to nom you very soon), I imagine I'll be dropping it in your lap.

You know, I have to add that VWBot is not all that I'm taking for granted; I hope you never burn out this work. I can't remember how I got by without you around. Copyright cleanup on Wikipedia has had some major boosts recently (relative to my memory, which means "within the last two years or so") with new players entering the picture. You're certainly key among them. (Not to diss the old players, whose doors I knock on all the time. I couldn't get by without them either. :D) We're so lucky you decided to help us out. :) Hooray for us! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I noticed you were going to be gone a bit earlier this morning—I have your talk header watchlisted for just such occasions. I'll try to work at CP some this weekend, but I've been letting SCV slide some with 3+ days built up for me to still go through, so I can't promise how much I'll be able to help. Thanks for the props, I appreciate being appreciated. ^_^ VernoWhitney (talk) 13:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

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Two battlegrounders

I don't know whether you came across what I wrote at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Dream Focus over a year ago, but it should provide some valuable background to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dream Focus (2nd nomination). The other background, stretching over many months, you've probably already read (since you've edited Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron from time to time). At this point, after endless provocation, insults and name calling, templates, user boxes, multiple deletion nominations, this is silliness and battleground mentality on both Dream Focus' and Snottywong's parts, both of whom have acted divisively and provocatively. (Remember User:Verbal/userboxes/ARSbackfire (MfD discussion)?) I wonder whether, at this point, we have to find some way of telling them both to give it a rest, so that us peaceable grownups around here can have some respite from this constant sniping. Uncle G (talk) 15:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)