User talk:Xeno

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BAG nomination

Hi there xeno. I was wondering if you'd be interested in running for the Bot Approvals Group? I think you're a great help at bot areas, and feel that +BAG would aid you there. If you're interested let me know, and I'd be willing to give you a nomination statement if you want :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 21:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I would be honoured to be nominated. Thank you, –xeno^talk 00:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant. I've created the nomination page at Wikipedia:Bot Approvals Group/nominations/Xeno, please follow the instructions at WP:BOTPOL#Bot_Approvals_Group, and transclude and accept the nomination when you're ready. Best, - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 07:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

All  Done. Thanks again, Kingpin13. –xeno^talk 20:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you think of that?

[1] -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Pretty wasteful edit imo. –xeno^talk 17:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Not only that. Yobot creates new templates that have an empty priority parameter (this was the older consensus and KBk plugin needs update). LaraBot probably does the same. After that, ListasBot comes and delete the parameter! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't priority= deprecated unless there is a task force or something? Even so, I don't see the need to make an edit just to remove it. Heck, the vast majority of WPBio tagged talk pages never even get looked at or edited, so removing vestigal code seems wasteful indeed. –xeno^talk 19:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

New features

I looked. What am I missing?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You'll see that many "B" class articles Xenobot recently identified are sorted under "4". If the tagging run had picked up an FA, FL, or GA, you would have seen them under 1,2, or 3 (respectively). See the legend at the top of the category. –xeno^talk 20:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Stubs

Wow, that was quick! Thanks, foreigner. Kdammers (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

=) –xeno^talk 01:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Hiding stuff I don't want to see

Howdy. I noticed here you commented that you remove that notice with your css page. If I wanted to get rid of it as well, would the code below work for me if I wanted to do the same? I wanted to make sure before I mess with my css page.

div.mw-tos-summary {
    display: none;
}

--Rockfang (talk) 05:10, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

That should do it. Give it a shot; even if it's wrong it won't break things terribly. –xeno^talk 13:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Formatting question

Now that all the hullabaloo has (hopefully) died down, I was hoping that I could seek your help on an unrelated manner. Try as I might, I can not figure how to insert something alphabetically into a list, without disturbing the continuity of the list itself. I have tried again and again to get this right, and am most embarassed that I can't seem to be able to figur out something so simple. However, I figured that rather than run the risk of screwing up a page that I'm trying to edit, I might as well seek help. I would appreciate it if you could respond. All the best-Mk5384 (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S.-When you told me that you expected to see me blocked again in the near future, I told you I though you would be pleasantly surprised. Thanks again for going to bat for me.Mk5384 (talk) 08:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I only expected to see you reblocked if you continued in the same manner :). No problem. –xeno^talk 13:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Could you give me an example?–xeno^talk 13:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. On the List of The Cosby Show Characters, under "Noteable Guest Stars", I was attempting to insert Roscoe Lee Browne between Valerie Briscoe-Hooks, and Betty Carter. I was unable to do it whilst maintaining the continuity of the list.Mk5384 (talk) 13:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the issue is you did not place it on a new line... –xeno^talk 15:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

At the risk of sounding incrdeibly stupid, how do I do that?Mk5384 (talk) 16:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

What browser are you using? Perhaps it is a display issue. Bulleted and numbered lists start on a new line (a fresh line, hit <enter> to go to the next line).

• 1
• 2
• 3

1. A
2. B
3. C... –xeno^talk 17:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I had a feeling it was something incredibly simple that I was overlooking. Many thanks!Mk5384 (talk) 17:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Any time! Happy editing =) –xeno^talk 17:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Bot

Would you be willing to deliver courtesy notices to this project? Thanks, mono 00:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I have added you to EdwardsBot's access list. See User:EdwardsBot/Instructions. –xeno^talk 00:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!--mono 00:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Misclick

Sorry, that was a misclick and I didn't notice till i saw your revert. thanks and sorry.--Cube lurker (talk) 16:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

No sweat. –xeno^talk 17:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

filmographies rfc closed

Hi. The RFC at WT:ACTOR#Filmographies has closed and some large number of actor bios are going to need a bot-pass. Nutshell is that the extant tables are going to get a lot of hard-coded markup removed and the header-row refactored to use a template. I'm going to ask a few template folks if they see any technical tweaks that should be made first, but am thinking that we can get this rolling pretty soon. The template is {{Filmography table headings}} (and is discussed at WT:ACTOR#table headings via templates) and the most common forms of current table implementation are described at WT:ACTOR#hard-coded markup. Once the dust settles, I'll prepare a few examples and offer you diffs to serve as reference as to what I'm seeking your bot to perform. The current version of Anna Kendrick^oldid is pretty much what we're shooting for. I'm open to ideas as to how this should all be done and expect to start an implementation notes section over on that talk page. Cheers, Jack Merridew 17:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Can you give me at least 3 to 5 diffs that make the change in a single edit so I can understand what the desired result is? Thanks, –xeno^talk 17:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I've got a bit of discussion started (WT:ACTOR#Implementation discussion) and will drop you nice diffs pretty soon. Thanks. Jack Merridew 18:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheers, Jack Merridew 18:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Could you peek at:

• User talk:Thumperward#care to review a template implementation?

Chris is floating the notion of a full table refactor as a suite of templates. Something like {{Episode List}} and the relates ones, I think. This would be a much more complex Search/Replace. Is this sort of thing doable via your bot, or others?

• WT:ACTOR#Implementation discussion
  is the best place to discuss most of this.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 20:19, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It's starting to get more complicated, so you might need a more competent botwriter - yes... Maybe, maybe not. Can certainly give it the 'ole college try once it's all ready to go... –xeno^talk 20:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Prolly not going to involve the rows, at this point, just the opening and close of the table. I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

This made me smile... — Satori Son 18:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

heh =) –xeno^talk 18:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Joining in

Hi. Thanks for joining in my discussion with another admin, Tanthalas39. I would of course appreciate if you decided not to slap me with a boiler plate answer. You saw that I complained over a version that the article is locked on and though "oh another moron that doesn't understand that locking is not endorsment" but if you cared to read what I wrote you would have seen that a) I already mentioned that in my post b) this particular issue is a tiny bit more complex than what a jolly person might think. It does make users feel like their contributions are worthless when you behave like that you know. I am telling you this in good faith so that you could help us instead of mocking us. Instead of actually joining the real hard discussion you posted funny images, and by that you have also, in my opinion, slapped admins and all other users who were involved in a long and complicated decision at the AfD. And if I were a spoiled user who cannot accept views different to his and has no respect for others as he believes that his opinion is somehow supreme over everybody else, I would feel happy to see that the disrespect of WP institutions, admins and involved users is taken so lightly by admins and that I can obviously continue vandalizing. Of course I am talking about a particular user and you can find more about who it is at the ANI throuh a link that I gave.--Avala (talk) 19:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

My intent was not to make you feel that your contributions are worthless or to "mock" or "slap" anyone. However, the guidance at m:The Wrong Version (or, more seriously, Wikipedia:PROT#Content disputes) is not less relevant because there was an AFD decision. If there is an edit war, the protecting admin should step in and protect whatever version is there at the time of the request for protection to allow consensus-building to take place. If consensus develops on the talk page for the "merged" version, then an {{editprotected}} request can be initiated to restore that version. But the first-responder is not suppose to make a choice. –xeno^talk 19:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Huh? Is this about the me and Polish plane crash article? Jack Merridew 19:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe so. –xeno^talk 19:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Fine but I still think that once involved you need to actually finish the job and not leave it to hang there. Also I still think that our work is seen as worthless if the user who calls our work "shite", "silliness", "ignorable" and "rote platitudes" is not ever warned. Also a few quotes from ANI "On the contrary, although the text is a bit long, the point is perfectly valid. If the outcome of AfD was to merge, it's no good pretending it was really to delete, but the admin was too polite to say it. If that is what is happening." or as another user described Jack's behavior - "because they can't act like adults and respect the outcome of the Afd, or send it to Drv.". And finally I disagree that admins can't protect decisions of the AfD. By not doing that Wikipeda is going to descent into chaos, deleted articles will resurface in a matter of seconds and then we will have to go through some lengthy bureaucratic process to delete them again, only in order not to somehow hurt the feelings of those who have utter disrespect for the community and insitutions built to protect this project.--Avala (talk) 19:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Well sometimes 'finishing the job' means patiently standing on the sidelines and letting consensus develop. Protecting admins are meant to be neutral parties, they shouldn't also jump in and start arguing the issues. It appears this is now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 April 19#International response to the 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash. –xeno^talk 19:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Why did it get to this point? Why was there no admin response before? I can see on his talk page that he was indeed warned which is a prerequest for admins to react and his respoonse to that was that this is not the first time someone is trying to warn him with a message - "You may not realize it, but the "community" gets things wrong. A *lot*" and then he continued to revert edits. Why didn't you act then preventively? I know it's much easier to let things boil and then click close while hoping someone else will sort it out somewhere somehow but it's not going away as you can see.--Avala (talk) 19:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I guess because admins aren't omnipresent... The thoughtful words dated Oct 8, 2009 (ironically, by Tanthalas) at User:Xeno/misc#Some thoughtful stuff are also relevant. My own amateur opinion (deletion and merging,- article content in general - isn't my speciality) is that a "merge" decision at AFD can't really "force" material to remain in situ at the target article forever, i.e. it does not override editorial judgment. DRV should clarify this. –xeno^talk 19:50, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course. However the AfD was closed two days ago. Questioning it now already is a bit unfair and undemocratic and is caused solely "because they can't act like adults and respect the outcome of the Afd, or send it to Drv." DRV is a good place but not now as there is absolutely nothing new that can be brought there that wasn't seen on 65kb AfD. As for the quote, yes I understand we all make mistakes but it is then much better to accept it when someone point it out than dragging the issue and thus causing more damage. I am not mad that the action wasn't made on time or that the action made was not made with enough knowledge of the issue in question, but now that all facts are known including the issue of warnings, and the issue of AfD - its date, size and respect of it, I think there is no point in going on with the first decision that was made before admins were met will of the details.--Avala (talk) 20:07, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge doesn't typically mean "cut and paste the whole thing", though. The resulting article was 165kb! –xeno^talk 20:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I added a few more words now, sorry about that.--Avala (talk) 20:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the extra words: I'm not sure what outcome you're looking for here. –xeno^talk 20:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

As for the point raised I will quote User:Elen of the Roads: ", although the text is a bit long, the point is perfectly valid. If the outcome of AfD was to merge, it's no good pretending it was really to delete, but the admin was too polite to say it. If that is what is happening." And as for the merge, I tried to make it acceptable to everyone by placing the text into collapsible template and many liked it but it wasn't enough for all. It will never be enough for all, some will not accept the state until it is all erased but then we will have those who will accept nothing but the full inclusion so that is why I tried to find a compromise solution.--Avala (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't really have much more useful to say, but geez if that article isn't hard to edit with all those flags. Really slows things down. Must be hell on the rendering engine. –xeno^talk 20:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The outcome I expect is that admins decide on this now that they have all the necessary information. It is never too late to correct the mistake. If admins weren't there when this user began violating difficult AfD decision, if admins weren't there when this user was warned, if admins weren't there when he continued, if admins weren't there when the issue was raised at ANI, if admins weren't there when the article was locked on a version that will effectively cause more chaos because of the not so easily made AfD closing decision - they have no reason or excuse not to be here now.--Avala (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The merge decision was not to merge the entire article into the target (collapsible tables or otherwise), otherwise the admin would have done it. It was to condense the material and then merge it. As it stands now, I've restored the article since it's at DRV. That's about all I'm willing and able to do at this point, not being a contenty-type-guy (who can ably condense it) and not willing to edit-through-protection to make the article 165kb again (as I don't think that represents the spirit of Arbitrarily0's decision - see [2]). Best to wait for the DRV to run. Remember - there is no deadline. –xeno^talk 20:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

AN/I: Abuse of sysop tools, and failure to follow consensus – Causa sui

Hello. This is to let you know that there is now a discussion at AN/I regarding an issue that you commented on here.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Tears for Fears discography

Hi Xeno. Can you please protect the Tears for Fears discography page? I'm having difficulty with a IP editor who keeps using different IP addresses to revert edits. Besides myself, three other editors (Dottiewest1fan & Endalecomplex & Wysprgr2005) have reverted this IP but he/she keeps coming back under a new IP to revert the intro to the article to reflect their preferred version. Consensus appears to prefer the edit that this IP dislikes. It looks like this problem has been happening since December 2009. Here are diffs concerning this situation: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21]

Thanks. Caden ^cool 10:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Xeno the IP has reverted again but I can't do nothing because I'm close now to the 3rr limit. By the way I'm convinced the IP is a sock. Caden ^cool 11:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)