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SlimVirgin

No action taken. Most of the admins who commented did not see this as a 1RR violation. EdJohnston (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Request concerning SlimVirgin

User requesting enforcement: Tijfo098 (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: SlimVirgin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: {{ARBPIA}}

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[1] She removes a section without an edit summary. Other similar changes by SlimVirgin can be found before and after this diff in the edit history.
[2] She removes it again less than 24hrs later, without waiting for discussion on talk and RfC to conclude.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

"Not applicable." SlimVirgin is clearly aware of the remedies, because she added the template to the article's talk page.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): At administrators' discretion.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: I was concerned about the large amount of text removed from the article (about 17Kb) so I asked SlimVirgin to discuss the proposed changes. She has posted a large reply on talk, but she avoided discussing the section I explicitly noted [3]. The article's talk page is also tagged with {{controversial}}, advising editors against making large unilateral edits.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

SlimVirgin was notified as requested in this template.

Discussion concerning SlimVirgin

Statement by SlimVirgin

I'm not sure what the basis of the complaint is. I've just started editing this article after a break of several years (writing from memory), and I've reverted once only. [4] Otherwise I'm removing BLP violations, material sourced to primary sources (an image of Dershowitz's family's identity papers, for example), material sourced to poor sources, to websites, to dead links. Very poor writing, and the usual Israel-Palestine thing of adding every single point that could possibly discredit the person. It has been a problematic article for years, so I'm going to try to bring it up to FA standard (even if not submitted, which I probably won't do). There's an RfC about it on talk, in which I'm so far supported. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 19:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In response to the discussion about what counts as a revert, we can't interpret reverting in a way that precludes normal editing. A revert has to take place within the context of a dispute. It needn't be an immediate dispute; it could be that the last time that same material was removed was months ago, but the editor removing it now is aware of the context. That would arguably make the removal a revert. But if that context is entirely absent, it can only count as an edit. Otherwise, everyone who ever removes a single word from an article is reverting, even if the page hasn't been edited in years. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 19:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roland, I don't think there's a way to pin it down any further. Admins at the 3RR board have to deal with this all the time—interpreting which of a series of edits counts as the first revert. That's why editors reporting violations are asked to supply the version reverted to. If that version was from yesterday or last week, or even last month, especially if by the same editor, then the next edit that reverts to it is likely to count as a revert. But if the version reverted to was from two years ago, then not, unless perhaps it was the same editor and the dispute was a memorable one. Everything depends on the context. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 21:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning SlimVirgin

I'm not seeing the issue with SV's edits to this article. It's problematic and much in need of fixing. I think thanks are due rather than censure. ++Lar: t/c 23:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to EdJohnston on how reverts should be counted:

WP:3RR is a redirect to Wikipedia:Edit warring, i.e. there is no "revert rule" on Wikipedia apart from edit warring. The way I understand this is that for some edit to fall under 3RR or 1RR it must first constitute edit warring. I cannot possible see, how the comprehensive rewrite started by SV would constitute edit warring.

If we were to adopt EdJohnston's interpretation, it would make following 1RR almost impossible. Practically every edit that touches existing content will revert part of someones contribution. In practice this would limit editing to not 1 edit per day instead of 1 revert per day. This would make any WP:BRD process impossible. I do not think this is the intended purpose of 1RR. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 16:31, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. – As pointed by PhilKnight, there is something called 0RR. EdJohnston's interpretation would efectively turn 1RR into 0RR. When applied to 0RR, it would make any copy editing impossible, only adding new material would be allowed :-( Petri Krohn (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The argument I used was first articulated by Nableezy in a similar discussion on this board. PhilKnight (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That definition opens up the possibility of some clever gaming. In regards to this request, take note of "If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first." It looks like SV did not consider that but it is clear from the discussion that at least a couple editors see how the removal could be problematic. Maybe it is not in violation of the underlying principle of 1/rr (not sure) but it is certainly gray enough enough that SV should have shown more caution and could have used the talk page first. I think SV would definitely need to be sanctioned if BRD was disregarded since the first removal would have kicked off the edit war. It does not look like that occurred. Cptnono (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, nobody has objected to the actual content of SV's edits. This discussion has been entirely about process rather than substance – whether the first edit constitutes a revert, not whether it is an improvement. So I do not see that any question arose, or could have arisen, as to whether or not the edit was appropriate. RolandR (talk) 18:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re EdJohnston's "The advantage of the definition of a revert given at WP:EW is that it's easy to understand, and the exceptions are well-defined." In actuality, this rule is counter-intuitive. I would say, its advantage is that it is easy to implement, and disadvantage is that is easy to violate. Therefore, this rule is administrator friendly and editor unfriendly. Since the administrators are just a servise personnel, and WP exists and develops primarily due to the contribution of users, something is definitely wrong with this rule. --Paul Siebert (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by BorisG

I tend to agree here with Petri Krohn. It seems a stretch to classify a partial rewrite of an atticle after months of silence as a revert. Then almost any edit is a revert. I think the spirit of the policy is that a revert is reversal of another editor's edit; presumably soon after that edit was made. EdJohnson says Removal of material added by someone else (no matter how long ago) should still be seen as a revert but I fail to see this statement in the policy. - BorisG (talk) 16:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by RolandR

We have already had exactly the same discussion about what exactly, in the context of this ruling, constitutes a revert, and what an edit, in a groundless complaint against Nableezy. In that case, too, EdJohnston argued that an edit which removed even one word previously added by another editor constituted a revert, regardless of whether the edit was justified or improved the article. The consensus was clearly against this interpretation. Common sense, too, suggests that such a rigid interpretation would make normal editing virtually impossible. Since it seems likely that this issue will arise again and again, I think that we need a clear policy decision, which must be communicated to all editors, explaining exactly when an edit is considered a revert. I don't thin that this is the place for such a discussion, but it seems vital that we resolve this urgently in order to enable normal editing and to prevent conflicting decisions and countless appeals. RolandR (talk) 20:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Closure request by Tijfo098

Wow, I'm surprised this request is still open. The matter has been resolved amicably by communication on the article's talk. When I filed this request my main worry was the lack of clear discussion there; that issue is moot now. Tijfo098 (talk) 10:56, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that some policy clarification with regard to what constitutes a revert would also be helpful; this is what seems to have kept this discussion going. The current description in WP:3RR ("Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether it involves the same or different material each time—counts as a revert.") does not seem to reflect the general practice on this board, but this request doesn't seem the appropriate venue to discuss that larger issue. I have started a RfC on the policy talk page, particularly with respect to WP:0RR, which doesn't have a simple and clear definition in policy, but which has been used on this board (several times I understand, but surely was just above) as a base case for inductively redefining what a revert means. Tijfo098 (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning SlimVirgin

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

SlimVirgin (talk · contribs) has made two large blocks of edits to that article in the past few days, and before that nothing since June 2007 except a minor gnoming edit this past April (history). Per the standard definition of revert, consecutive edits are not counted as multiple reverts. This is to help maintain the clarity of the article history - consecutive edits could have been made simultaneously, but may have different underlying rationales. In order for this to be a violation of 1RR, then, we would need to count hir first series of edits as a revert. There does not seem to have been an active edit war at the time of hir first edit, seven days after the article had been edited previously, nor do I see an active talkpage discussion that would have contraindicated bold editing. I am at a loss, then, to see why the first series of edits should be counted as a revert, unless there is some specific prohibition in the sanctions. SlimVirgin is actively participating on the talkpage and is clearly aware of that this can be a contentious article, so I see no need for further action here. Please be aware that topic area discretionary sanctions exist to promote the creation and maintenance of encyclopedic content, and may not be used as a weapon in content disputes. - 2/0 (cont.) 19:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Broadly concur with the above, particularly the last sentence. There's no case for imposing sanctions here, SlimVirgin's only edit that I would actually classify as a revert is this one, and one revert is not against the restrictions. Courcelles 19:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with above comments. SV has made a bold edit, followed by a single revert. Given the restriction is 1RR, not 0RR, there hasn't been a violation. PhilKnight (talk) 20:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It still looks to me that SV made two reverts within 24 hours (22:49 on 19 November, "can't see the point of this section..", and 17:50 on 20 November, "restoring changes.."). The advantage of the definition of a revert given at WP:EW is that it's easy to understand, and the exceptions are well-defined. If we start to make allowances based on whether there was an active edit war at the time of the first revert, then admin actions which are based on the counting of reverts will be harder to do. Removal of material added by someone else (no matter how long ago) should still be seen as a revert, no matter how much improved the new material is, unless it meets one of the listed exceptions in WP:EW. Keep in mind that a 1RR restriction was decided upon recently for all the I-P articles, and how we choose to count reverts in this case could have a ripple effect on future AE filings. People who supported the 1RR in the community discussion presumably had in mind the definition in WP:EW. EdJohnston (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To me, it looks like one edit, one revert. Removing an existing section is not a revert. Reverting the removal is, as is SV's revert of the revert, but that's one revert each and the restriction is 1RR, not 0RR. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston - I fully support the principle that revert covers more than just pushing the undo button, but I think there also must be room for normal editing, including removal of material an editor regards as superfluous. This is especially true when the section in question was immediately moved to the talkpage.

There are several conditions under which I might regard a superficially similar edit as a revert (list may not be exhaustive):

if there had been a hot or cold edit war over this topic, at this or a closely related article.
if there were some indication on the talkpage that the removals were against a clear and active consensus. There is some ancient discussion in /Archive 2, but I do not see anything that would indicate that SV should have any reason to regard that edit as anything other than a normal edit.
if SV had been systematically and tendentiously removing related content or the contributions of another editor without engaging in meaningful discussion.

Put another way, I think that reversing another editor or editors' contribution is a higher bar than simply making an edit that removes some material.

As a separate issue, I generally consider it poor form to revert back when someone reverts you, but that has no bearing here. - 2/0 (cont.) 18:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taken literally, the first edit reverses this series of edits (and all subsequent edits to the section), and is therefore a revert. However, I think there is a point where an edit is buried so deep in the history of an article that one cannot fairly characterize a subsequent edit that reverses it as a revert without at least some evidence that the edit is intended as a revert (for example, use of undo function or the word "revert" in the edit summary). A brief review of the page history suggests that the content has essentially remained in the article since its addition, and regardless of where the line should be drawn (or whether there is such a bright line), something added more than a year and 250 edits ago, which has not been seriously challenged since, is definitely on the buried side of the line. In the absence of evidence that SV intended the edit as a revert, then, I agree that there is no 1RR violation. T. Canens (talk) 09:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is already closed, but can yall please figure out what exactly is a "revert" and let the rest of us know? nableezy - 00:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think your argument that if a page was 0RR, removing content would still be allowable is persuasive. Anyway, there's a related WP:RFC on Wikipedia talk:Edit warring. PhilKnight (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AndresHerutJaim

AndresHerutJaim notified of the WP:ARBPIA restrictions. No other action taken.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning AndresHerutJaim

User requesting enforcement: RolandR (talk) 23:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: AndresHerutJaim (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Name of remedy

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[5] Reversion of edit, with false claim of vandalism removal
[6] Repeated reversion of same edit

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): Not Applicable
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Block or topic ban

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [7]

Discussion concerning AndresHerutJaim

Statement by AndresHerutJaim

My intention was to remove unexplained and arbitrary changes on the Givati Brigade article. I never meant to offend anyone.--AndresHerutJaim (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that, after all, I wasn't so wrong. The tendentious information was removed from the article.--AndresHerutJaim (talk) 03:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning AndresHerutJaim

Clearly this user is not that knowlegdable in the inner workings and slick moves that prevail in the I-A conflict, but I don't think we should act consistently with three threads above, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Sherif9282. We should take full advantage of this opportunity and atleast block him if not ban him. Then we should block his sockpuppet. All kinds of exciting stuff in the pipeline.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 03:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question and comment - The article didn't have the 1RR notices at the time the reverting was happening. AndresHerutJaim, would you have made the 2nd revert if you had seen the notices ? The reason I ask is that you refer to reliably sourced information as "Ridiculous anti-Israel bias", "vandalism", "anti-Israel accusations" and "tendentious information". I would like to see you confirm that you would not have made the second revert if the notices had been in place. The information itself is about the IDF putting things right according to their rules so I really have no idea where the "anti-Israel" is coming from and it's being reported by the BBC, AFP, the Israeli press and probably many other sources so I'm not sure what all the wiki-edit-war fuss is about either but I guess it will be sorted out on the talk page now. I do think it would help though if you confirmed that you are willing to follow 1RR in cases like this in future. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close with no sanctions Sherif9282 was only warned, doing something different to the user in question will be more than unfair.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close with warning I agree with Mbz1 for the reasons stated. Sanctions need to be issued on a consistent basis. Issuing a sanction here when Sherif9282 was not sanctioned for precisely the same offense strikes me as patently unfair. In addition, he's got a clean record, has never been issued an ARBPIA warning and according to his home page, English is not his first language so he may not have been well-versed with the restriction. Moreover, unlike the case involving Sherif, the 1RR sanction notice was placed on the page only after the alleged violation. All these facts militate in the respondent's favor. A warning should be sufficient--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@PK: He can't self-revert since I already reverted back to it. Roland should have used the talk page instead of reverting per BRD. AHJ should not have made the second revert (although he was not aware of the possible sanctions) and he should not have marked it as removing vandalism. So I simply put it back to its state before the contentious edit. Roland has still not responded on the talk page even though AHJ opened a discussion on it. Per BRD, Aa42john should have been the one to open it. Of course BRD is only a suggestion and we should be happy one of the editors actually initiated use of the talk page.Cptnono (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, he could undo his second edit. I just tried, without saving, and it worked just fine. PhilKnight (talk) 21:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But then he would be reverting me. Should he be reverting when we have an ongoing discussion? Of course, I could always revert in 4 hours. But then we are being counter productive. I think people in violation of 1/rr should receive blocks. However, others have pointed out that the notice was not on the article and he was not informed. Therefore, any sanctions are not appropriate and your request for him to self-revert might be based on the good principle of recognizing his actions as problematic but are equally as disruptive to the process. Makes it not necessary.Cptnono (talk) 22:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@PK. There is currently an ongoing discussion on the Talk page concerning the edit. Self-reverting now while the subject edit is being discussed would just throw a monkey wrench into the mix and would accomplish nothing. He is now on notice of the 1RR and that should be the end of it.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ARBPIA specifically says the following: Prior to any sanctions being imposed, the editor in question shall be given a warning with a link to this decision. AndresHerutJaim has never been notified of ARBPIA according to WP:ARBPIA#Log of notifications. You could argue that if the article had the 1RR notice that was enough of a notification, but that isnt even the case here. I dont think it would be fair to issue an ARBPIA sanction for a 1RR violation the user did not know existed under the authority of a case that the user may not have know existed. The user should be notified of ARBPIA and everybody else can call it a day. nableezy - 01:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phil. The edit which was tagged as vandalism upon removal is clearly a violation of WP:ARBPIA. It doesn't make much sense asking someone reinsert an WP:ARBPIA vio into article space. The logical move is to note the user what the problem was in their conduct and warning them to avoid repetition. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 01:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In what way was the edit a breach of ARBPIA? And in what way was it vandalism? There may be a legitimate discussion about its relevance and weight, but surely not about the good faith of the original editor. RolandR (talk) 09:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say the original edit was but your revert without seeking the talk page while also dismissing BRD was a dick move. Add that on top of coming here while still ignoring talk and you are the epitome of what is wrong with the topic area.Cptnono (talk) 09:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, have you actually looked at the talk page recently? I think it is you ignoring it, not me. RolandR (talk) 09:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, have you actually looked at the talk page recently? 22:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC) was the initial entry on the conflict. You did not respond over there until 08:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC). But your request here was at 23:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC). SO you disregarded it and instead came here. You also disregarded BRD. TO make it worse, it took you until just a little bit ago to use the talk page for this concern? Bad form and you should feel bad.Cptnono (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing whatsoever to feel bad about, and I request that you desist from personal attacks. RolandR (talk) 10:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning AndresHerutJaim

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If AndresHerutJaim self-reverts, then I don't think any further action would be necessary. PhilKnight (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've notified AndresHerutJaim of the WP:ARBPIA discretionary sanctions. Based on the above discussion, the time that has passed, and that further edits have occurred, I think we can close this report without further action. PhilKnight (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's reasonable to close this without a block, in my opinion. Material is still being reverted at Givati Brigade by others, though in a slow-moving war. I suggest that we place a notice on the article talk page that any further 1RRs on that page may lead to an immediate block, if an admin sees them, or if the violation is reported at WP:AN3. I also suggest that contentious material should not be replaced in the article without getting a talk page consensus first. The current talk discussion is vigorous and many of those commenting seem to know the relevant policies. EdJohnston (talk) 01:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Occam

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Captain Occam

User requesting enforcement: Mathsci (talk) 07:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Captain Occam (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence#Captain Occam topic-banned

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

This user is discussing matters concerned with

his views of the content and quality of articles covered by his topic ban
how other users should manage imposing restrictions on others editing the articles covered by his topic ban
the close of WP:ARBR&I and his battleground attempts to have sanctions applied to other users

Whether or not his editing history prior to his topic ban is being discussed, he should not intervene or attempt to exercise influence in any way whatsoever. This is a violation of his topic ban.

Recent harassment-only accounts

There is also a concern that two recently created accounts are acting as proxies for Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin, during their topic bans. The evidence of meatpuppetry so far is purely circumstantial. Like Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin, both users are targeting WeijiBaikeBianji (talk · contribs). Both are following his edits and and lobbying for editing restrictions. For recently arrived wikipedians, this does not seem quite normal. [11]

SightWatcher (talk · contribs) has misquoted and misrepresented the findings of the arbitration case on multiple occasions, in the same way as Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin. He has added identical material [12] to Race and health that was previously proposed unsuccessfully [13] by Ferahgo the Assassin for Race (classification of humans). He has lobbied on her behalf.[14] Here in his user space is a draft RfC/U, as suggested by Captain Occam. [15] The statements in this draft RfC/U continue to voice the same misunderstandings of the outcome of WP:ARBR&I. For a user to start discussing sanctions against another user within a week of arriving on wikipedia [16][17] after less than thirty edits is concerning. Like Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin, he has been given advice by administrators (Maunus and RegentsPark) which he chosen to ignore. He has, with Captain Occam's advice [18], started an RfC/U on WeikiBaikeBianji.[19] One of the main topics contained in the RfC/U concerns the removal of spam links on an article High IQ society (an article not connected with WP:ARBR&I). On that article Dirk Beetstra, the WP expert on spam and blacklisting, has been removing link spam in exactly the same way as WeijiBaikeBianji.

Woodsrock (talk · contribs) has made a series of personal attacks on WeijiBaikeBianji in postings and edit summaries (here is one example [20]). Apart from the template he created very soon after the creation of his account and its use, his other edits to articles consist entirely of splitting paragraphs or moving images: no content is being added or modified. In a number of cases, probably without realizing it, he has made these arbitrary changes to the ledes of articles which have already been selected as GA and FA (examples include RNA, DNA and evolution). In this cosmetic change to DNA sequencing [21], the change indicates that Woodsrock does not read the text he is editing (which refers to an image on the left, which he moved to the right without altering the text). Today he made yet another unprompted personal attack on WeikiBaikeBianji, coordinated with the RfC/U. [22]

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): Not applicable
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Block of account for one week or more for Captain Occam; official warnings for SightWatcher and Woodsrock for harassment-only accounts; possible block of Woodsrock for personal attacks.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: There are other issues of off-wiki harassment, possibly connected with these incidents, which ArbCom has been informed of. A checkuser has confirmed that the two accounts above are not sockpuppet accounts. I have discussed some of these matters with a member of ArbCom.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [23] [24] [25]

Discussion concerning Captain Occam

Statement by Captain Occam

This report seems completely frivolous. Mathsci and I were both topic banned from these articles by the same arbitration case, and he and I have both been engaging in the exact same type of discussions about other users’ conduct on these articles. Recent examples of this from Mathsci are [26], [27] and [28]. More importantly, there was recently a request for clarification about this case in which the arbitrators specifically stated that topic bans from this case do not apply to dispute resolution about user conduct issues. In that thread, Mathsci actually defended the right of topic banned editors to engage in these discussions! Quoting what Mathsci said there: “I have twice communicated in private when irregularities have occurred connected with WP:ARBR&I. On both occasions the irregularities were not of my making, but I had what I perceived to be useful input to offer in discussions. Wikipedia processes are not covered by my voluntary but binding topic ban.”

Now, do the diffs that Mathsci provided of me purportedly violating my topic ban show anything other than what Mathsci has done himself, has defended his right to do, and what the arbitrators have given both of us permission for? The first is me pointing out to Maunus that he had misquoted me; in response Maunus apologized and struck out the part of his comment which was a misquote. The second and third were a follow-up to a discussion between myself and Coren, in which Coren suggested starting an RFC about WeijiBaikeBianji, and also that I bring this suggestion up with the other editors who have been involved in disputes with him. These diffs are from the discussions that I initiated with these editors at an arbitrator’s suggestion. This certainly does not have any resemblance to the behavior for which I was topic banned, which according to my finding of fact was edit warring and false claims of consensus. Mathsci, on the other hand, has been described by ArbCom as engaging in behavior that is “unduly aggressive and combative”, and seems to be displaying the same attitude here and in the earlier diffs of his behavior provided above.

There are three important questions that need to be asked here:

In his effort to demonstrate that I am violating my topic ban, why has Mathsci not linked to the discussion between me and Coren in which Coren was suggesting this RFC, and also that I contact other editors about this suggestion? Is it because it does not help his case to show that the second and third diff are from discussions that I was asked to initiate by one of the arbitrators?
Why has Mathsci defended his own ability to participate in discussions related to these articles, including posting this arbitration enforcement request, but claims that it is a topic ban violation when other topic banned editors act similarly?
How did Mathsci get a checkuser to be run on Sightwatcher and Woodsrock without starting an SPI? Is it acceptable that he apparently has privately contacted an administrator with checkuser permission, and persuaded them off-wiki to run a checkuser on these accounts?

Echoing VsevolodKrolikov’s comments below, when one considers the number of editors who have taken issue with WeijiBaikeBianji’s recent behavior, it should not be such a surprise that this includes a pair of relatively new users. From the links and diffs provided in the RFC/U which was recently started about WeijiBaikeBianji, I can identify at least four other users who feel similarly about WeijiBaikeBianji’s editing. In addition to VsevolodKrolikov himself, there is also Andy Dingley, Victor Chmara and TrevelyanL85A2. All four of these users have been registered for over three years.

I’m reminded again of this principle from the recent Climate Change arbitration case: “An editor who brings forward the same or similar view as a blocked or banned user should not automatically be assumed to be a sockpuppet or meatpuppet in the absence of other evidence.” On these articles, Mathsci and a few other users who share his viewpoint seem to consistently ignore this principle. When a pair of new users are among six users disagreeing with someone whom I’ve also disagreed with in the past, should sockpuppetry or meatuppetry be considered so likely that admins are privately canvassed to run checkuser, and after checkuser fails to find evidence of sockpuppetry, the accusation is brought to AE? --Captain Occam (talk) 09:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Captain Occam

Comment by VsevolodKrolikov

I have been part of these discussions through being caught up in WeijiBaikeBianji's editing campaign against template:human intelligence. I agree that there is something slightly suspicious about the sudden appearance of the two new users and their familiarity with wikipedia. That said, WeijiBaikeBianji is being rather disruptive and it's not only these two who have problems with WBB's continual reverts and slow edit warring, so I don't know how much can be read into their behaviour there. (But certainly Woodsrock has been uncivil.) VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 07:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by WeijiBaikeBianji

Certainly something very odd is going on here. I have no trouble discussing issues calmly with VsevolodKrolikov, and I expect that discussion to result in further improvements in several articles we both are watching. As Mathsci, the moving editor, notes, some of the edits by the two presumptive meat-puppets don't do anything at all to improve the quality of the encyclopedia. I invite multiple editors to take a look at this, especially editors who are experienced with what are at bottom conduct disputes, and I am happy to learn from any conscientious editor how best to respond to this situation. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MastCell has correctly noted in his comment as an uninvolved administrator that the issue here is editor conduct, and each account's contributions should be looked at for its overall pattern of building the encyclopedia and adherence to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 04:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Tijfo098

This request appears to be a sort of SPI investigation. What is alleged here is essentially that two accounts who recently opened a RfC/U on WeijiBaikeBianji are meat-puppets of a topic banned user. Tijfo098 (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course this belongs at SPI rather than here. But since Mathsci has apparently already gotten someone to run a checkuser on Sightwatcher and Woodsrock, and determined that they’re unrelated both to me and to everyone else who’s topic banned from these articles, I think he already knows that an SPI would be unlikely to produce the result he wants. --Captain Occam (talk) 15:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Maunus

I don't see how this can be enough evidence to sanction Occam. I am also suspicious about those two editors, but I could not possibly support any sanctions on Occam untill there is actual positive evidence that he has any part in their sudden arrival. It is not a crime to arrive at wikipedia with prior knowledge of its workings and it is also not a crime to agree with topic banned editors. Nothing we can really do here except keep the argument based on sources and policies going.·Maunus·ƛ· 18:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by SightWatcher

I originally joined Wikipedia wanting to edit film related stuff. I had been browsing race and intelligence-related articles out of curiosity and an interest in learning more, and first got involved when trying to remove something that looked like obvious original research to me. This first R&I edit of mine was reverted by WeijiBaikeBianji, restoring the original research (someone else later removed it). I never would have guessed that making a single edit would suck me in like this, but I thought the articles could benefit if I stuck around. It only took me a few days to notice that a few other editors also had a problem with WeijiBaikeBianji's behavior. Due to how prolific WeijiBaikeBianji's editing was, it was hard for them to deal with everything he was doing. If anyone else has experienced something similar here, they might understand how easy it is to get pulled into disputes like this.

As part of trying to rapidly familiarize myself with this topic, I've read through much of the arbitration process and findings. I find it pretty weird that one of the topic banned editors has made this thread. Mathsci, who WeijiBaikeBianji defended as "a thorough and conscientious editor" [29] despite this user's apparent penchant for edit warring and personal attacks pointed out by arbcom in his finding of fact. [30] Mathsci posted this thread less than three hours after I started the RFC/U about WeijiBaikeBianji. After this thread was posted, WeijiBaikeBianji immediately linked to it from the RFC/U, claiming that it "shows that this request for comment very likely is a continuation of an edit war by a topic-banned editor that began before I became a wikipedian." [31] Mathsci's intimate familiarity with my editing history in an area he's banned from is also disconcerting to me.

I don't think I need to respond in detail to all of Mathsci's accusations- seems there's no point. All you have to do is click on the diffs that have been presented in this thread to see that reality doesn't support his claims. For example, read the thread in Coren's talk to see that the suggestion to start the RFC/U originally came from Coren, not from Occam. Mathsci certainly knows this, because he participated in the discussion where Coren suggested it. Interestingly, this deliberate misrepresentation seems similar to some stuff I've read about through arbitration that Mathsci was doing- Ludwigs2 provided a good example here [32] of how he tends to do this (check out the "Fake Mathsci-style criticism of itsmeJudith for example purposes only). This thread smacks of being a very similar sort of thing...

But anyway, whether other editors or myself have done anything wrong here does not really seem to be the point of this thread. The point is that as long as this thread exists, it can be used to undermine the legitimacy of my RFC/U about WeijiBaikeBianji. In his comment on the RRFC/U that I quoted, WeijiBaikeBianji is milking this thread for all it's worth. So what I see is a very suspicious link between this, the timing of this thread in response to my RFC/U, WeijiBaikeBianji’s eagerness to defend Mathsci, and Mathsci's intimate familiarity with my disputes with WeijiBaikeBianji on these articles. What this looks like to me is WeijiBaikeBianji collaborating with a topic-banned editor to try to prevent his questionable editing behavior from being examined. I hope that admins can recognize this and close this pointless thread as soon as possible.-SightWatcher (talk) 22:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What you’re describing about how you got “pulled into” this dispute sounds pretty similar to what caused Mikemikev and Ludwigs2 to become involved in the race and intelligence article in December 2009. What was happening at that point is that User:T34CH tried to get rid of the race and intelligence article entirely, by turning it into a disambiguation page and dividing up all of its content between other articles. Mikemikev and Ludwigs2 had not been involved in the article before this, and Mikemikev had barely been active at Wikipedia before this at all. But what T34CH was doing attracted their attention, and once their attention was attracted both of them remained involved in the article for several months after that.

The general principle here is that when someone tries to make highly visible and contentious changes to several articles at once, it’s always going to attract editors who disagree with those changes, who might not otherwise have gotten involved in the dispute. Acting in a way that causes this outcome is bit of a wild card, because there’s no way to predict ahead of time what the editors whose attention it attracts are going to be like. Most people seem to agree that Mikemikev’s eventual incivility on these articles was disruptive. Ludwigs2 was also pretty strongly opinionated, but I don’t think anyone (except possibly Mathsci) regards him as having been an overall detriment to the articles, and he wasn’t sanctioned in the arbitration case. I would hope that Woodsrock and Sightwatcher are going to turn out to be more similar to Ludwigs2 than to Mikemikev, but the possibility of attracting editors similar to Mikemikev is a risk that WeijiBaikeBianji is taking by acting similarly to how T34CH did.

Either way, the most important point is that even if Mikemikev ended up being disruptive, he and Ludwigs2 clearly weren’t sockpuppet or meatpuppets of another user or users. So now that history is repeating itself, and a situation similar to what attracted them to these articles has now attracted Woodsrock and Sightwatcher, their having shown up in this situation is not a good reason to assume sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry about them either. --Captain Occam (talk) 11:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom made the checkuser enquiry itself because some members suspected sockpuppetry. The identity of suspected meatpuppets can be passed directly to members of ArbCom if there is any evidence.
Captain Occam has invited Ludwigs2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to join this discussion.[33] He wrote the following:

Don’t worry, nobody’s accusing you of having done anything wrong. This thread is mostly just more accusations of wrongdoing from Mathsci against the editors that he disagrees with, this time being directed at me as well as two fairly new editors. But one of the new people has apparently read several of the arbitration pages, and is taking some of the advice that you offered about Mathsci there to heart.

There is something slightly wrong here. Mathsci (talk) 13:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Care to elaborate? I figure that if we’re going to be talking about Ludwigs2 in this thread, he ought to know about it.

I hope you’re not going to claim that contacting Ludwig was “canvassing”. It’s never canvassing to contact a single user to tell them they’re being discussed somewhere. Canvassing is also contacting a selected group of users to try and influence the outcome of a discussion, but since Ludwig isn’t an admin, he can’t influence the outcome of this thread anyway. --Captain Occam (talk) 14:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by uninvolved Ludwigs2

I only have two comments with respect to this issue:

I don't really see what it is that Mathsci is complaining about. I suspect this is just more of the same pugnacious behavior that he exhibited during the R&I dispute and arbitration.
If Mathsci is returning to the behavior that he displayed before, then he himself is clearly in violation of the spirit of the arbitration, if not the letter of it. I would suggest that that be addressed here as well, assuming anything needs to be addressed at all.

I am on a short work-related break, and probably will not participate in this further unless my name is mentioned in some way that I feel calls for a response. --Ludwigs2 17:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The problem of meatpuppetry is a real one and I believe in this case has been and is being taken seriously by ArbCom. Meatpuppetry is harder to investigate or prove than sockpuppetry. It has necessarily to take place off-wiki and that is the case here.

(clears throat, about to say something important) I regret Ludwigs2's absence from wikipedia in the last 8 days. His unique and forthright style, often irritating, was actually extremely helpful on Communist terrorism and he was a vital part of the chemistry there. If he could look at the Collect case above, I think he could do a lot of good by commenting there and watching over what happens to the article if and when it is unlocked. Peace, Ludwigs2. Mathsci (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mathsci: are you suggesting that all 15000+ of my edits are meatpuppetry, or that I (somehow) suddenly lose all free will and independent thought with respect to Occam? He must be one damned charismatic guy...

I tend to see Occam's message as a proper notification that I was mentioned on an administrative page (something which both SightWatcher here and Collect above neglected to do). I can see how you might see it as a mild form of canvassing (all things considered), but even you have to admit that's a stretch, and I would have hoped that you would AGF on it. Instead, you leapt all the way past common sense to veiled accusations of meatpuppetry, and that is in appallingly bad taste.

So fine, whatever: you indulged in hyperbole, I asked you not to, and I will AGF that the matter is closed. I have nothing more to say in response to this, so if you'd like a last comment, feel free. I'll take a look at the above 'collect' issue (which I just learned about this moment) later this evening. --Ludwigs2 20:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

?? The meatpuppetry case concerns those mentioned in the request (see the section above). Please take a look, if you haven't already done so. There's no reference to you there, unless it's hidden in some kind of subliminal bible code. But getting back to serious matters, it would be extremely helpful if you showed up at communist terrorism. You would be a voice of reason. Mathsci (talk) 20:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Captain Occam

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I've formally warned Woodsrock (talk · contribs) of the race & intelligence discretionary sanctions, as even a cursory glance through his contributions reveals numerous causes for concern. No comment at this point on the other aspects of this request. MastCell ^Talk 18:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cptnono

Cptnono blocked 3 hours for incivility

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Cptnono

User requesting enforcement: nableezy - 14:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC) 14:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Cptnono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[34] Telling a user he is going to "fuck with" them
[35] Should be self-evident that this is an insulting and degrading comment
[36] Again
[37] calls another user a "prick"

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not applicable, has previously been sanctioned under ARBPIA and has opened multiple threads at AE so is clearly aware of the case

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Topic ban

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: After having recently making clear his view on Arabs (see here) Cptnono has repeatedly made insulting comments on article talk pages. Telling a user that he is a "prick" and that an article about racism in Israel is just about "Palestinians feeling sad" or "being screwed with giant dildos". I dont usually care about "civility", but a user who has in the past repeatedly called for others to be blocked on minor infractions should not be telling others he is going to "fuck with" them or that they are "pricks". A user who has said flat out that he is "anti-Arab" should not be making such quips about the Palestinians.

I dont understand why an Arab Muslim (me) should be required to give a user who says that he is "anti-Arab" and that Islam is "problematic" any type of assumption of good faith. In fact I cant see how it is expected that I should show Cptnono anything other than overt hostility. An editor repeatedly makes negative comments about others ethnicity and religion and all people have to say is "boo"? I also wonder why the very same users who demand that I be blocked for calling an editor an "idiot" are here saying that the very user who made the complaint about me calling another editor an "idiot" that resulted in my being blocked should not have any sanctions imposed after calling another user a "prick". This is all very fascinating and enlightening. nableezy - 21:31, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [38]

Discussion concerning Cptnono

Statement by Cptnono

I completely violated the decorum section of the decision (4.1.2). I have been doing it a lot lately since I assumed it did not matter to anyone in the topic area anymore. I see it two ways, I would be happy to be more civil or I could receive the same treatment Nableezy receives for his incivility (a pass without any modification to the behavior). Both seem fair but I really should not get in the habit of calling other editors pricks and will refrain from such pointed attacks.

And I made it clear that I see the Arab governments and the predominant religion over there as problematic. Nableezy is the one who ignored the clarification and assumed the worst. I have been neutral compared to many editors in the topic area so even if I was a racist I don't think my editing history shows blatant bias (although I do tend to favor the Israeli side in edits for the most part).

Nableezy forgot to mention that I attempted to emulate his page with some material showing extreme bias that was offensive.[39] Eventually removed after some thought on it since it looked like a little too far. I know where the lines are and chose to ignore them. I don't mind being more cautious but it would be appreciated if the same rules applied to Nableezy.Cptnono (talk) 17:05, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Roland: I didn't even consider the apology. I should not have called you a prick. I still think it was bad form of you but attacks like prick (Nableezy favors calling others duchebags) are uncalled for. Apologies for that. I was actually looking for the edit to strike that out while you were commenting. And I was not trying to make a point. I just felt that several editors were disregarding decorum so thought I would try it out myself. Didn't last long but that is for the best.Cptnono (talk) 17:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And both you and JJG are getting off topic. Like I said, bad form on your part (surprised you do not see that) but you didn't need to be called a prick.Cptnono (talk) 17:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Mbz1: Appreciated but the complaint is valid unfortunately. My week of being flippant is nothing compared to years of incivility in the topic area, but that doesn't make it right.Cptnono (talk) 18:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Sol: I don't see a problem disliking certain governments or a religion. Pretty mild compared to all the things editors say on their user pages (some are certainly "pro-" something and look to be "anti-the other) with user boxes, rants, and quotes.At least I was open about it. Now if I start using racial slurs or actively editing against Palestinians then there is a problem. I have !voted to keep articles that those on the often pro-Israel side have opposed. I have reverted vandals regardless of if I might agree just a hair with their opinions. I have actively attempted to use some degree of neutrality and for the most part have been. You cannot say that about several editors in the topic area. Can you say that about yourself? Yes, I believe Palestinians are shown in an overly victimized light on Wikipedia. That is why I struck out and edited the "being sad" comment that was condescending.[40] Cptnono (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@nsaum75: Pretty much sums it up. I certainly was in breach of the decision and shouldn't have done it. I'm not pointing to Nableezy's behavior to say that it was acceptable. Just pointing to it because it is easy to see why I would think that editors are allowed to say whatever they want. Thought I would try it out. Didn't work out very well did it? Depending on the severity of any sanction, I will point to his previous cases here regarding civility as setting a precedent for the appropriate duration.Cptnono (talk) 21:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaakobou: Nableezy was not personally attacked in any of the diffs provided so any form of an interaction ban is not appropriate. If I am allowed to continue editing in the topic area, I should not be burdened by an interaction ban due to his continuous disruption. I actually understand why he brought this up here. I was just surprised since he has been doing it for so long and getting away with it while I just started. But overall, this is not a frivolous enforcement request. I thought I could be rude and it looks like I cannot. Double standard? A little bit but that doesn't change the fact that I was treating people like dirt.Cptnono (talk) 21:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilKnight: Is that how you read my response? I provided reasoning with why I thought it would be acceptable. It obviously was not. I will appeal any sanction that is not inline with the conclusions to the multiple reports about Nableezy's incivility, though.Cptnono (talk) 22:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Chedovi: The diffs regarding Chesdovi's talk page: [41] and [42] Cptnono (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC) I don't find those words offensive (all are acceptable on TV here in the States) and I was not trying to be rude to you (I was trying to give you a little pep talk, actually) but now that I know how much you despise that language you can be assured I will tone it down. I also did not refuse to remove them. I struck them out instead after you refactored my comment. You are not supposed to do that. After you still were concerned a redacted them.Cptnono (talk) 00:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Nableezy: You are already hostile and I don't see how you could act much worse. I do believe your religion has been problematic. It isn't the religion's fault but certain elements within it. Same could be said for most religions. I can understand being offended to a certain extent but I don't see anything in the decision that says I cannot express that opinion (not that I wish to continue discussing it after this case is closed out). And I didn't volunteer it out of nowhere. I have been repeatedly called "pro-Israeli" which isn't exactly true and wanted to clarify. In regards to the primary reasoning to the "anti-Arab" comment: Yes, I honestly believe that many governments over there have caused major problems. I can only assume full-heartedly that you believe the Israeli government is problematic. You make that abundantly clear on your user page. Sorry to clarify since we should not be detailing our personal thoughts too much but you are acting so offended. I am surprised. Even if I was an overt white supremacist (which I am not and those guys are usually anti Israel, right?) I honestly do not believe your feelings would be that hurt. You don't strike me as someone who has any problems with offensive rhetoric. I understand that others do, though, so will make a better effort to not be a jerk.Cptnono (talk) 23:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@NMMNG: Nableezy has clean hands in this case for the most part. I dislike that he took my comments out of context, though.Cptnono (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just had a really interesting corresponding via email with another editor. I would like to thank the editors who are supporting me. Please keep in mind though that I am the one who made a mistake recently. I was acting like another editor since I thought I could get away with it. It was stupid and it is clear that I also did more than just ruffle feathers. So to those that were offended: I understand why and apologize. I don't want one but I'm not going to say I don't deserve some sanction.Cptnono (talk) 00:26, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Shuki: LOL. I did notice that there were more "Hey, look at Nableezy" than "Cptnono did nothing wrong"! Your lack of support is noted :P Cptnono (talk) 00:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Tijfo098: Yes, we could benefit from white supremacist editors. Anything related to those articles is completely not neutral and because no one has the gaul to detract from editors not showing them in only a negative light. I don't agree with white supremacy at all but I feel ashamed as an editor when I see certain articles get skewed too far in one direction. That is neutrality. Realistically, that isn't even in this topic area unless editors are prepared to show edits that I was antisemitic. That is laughable considering that I am assumed to be on the side of Israel. Cptnono (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Sean: I usually hate the facepalm. But exactly. I screwed up. Assumed it was OK but this AE shows otherwise. Kind of a good thing in my opinion.Cptnono (talk) 11:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@Lanternix: I didn't take it that far and Nableezy either pretending or wanting to believe I did is silly. Yes, I do believe there have been problems with Islam but calling it criminal is not something I could get behind. If it means anything, I also have problems with LDS, Protestants, and Catholics politically throughout history. It doesn't mean the religion is bad. Just that crisis has erupted in the name of those beliefs. Cptnono (talk) 11:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@ZScarpia: Truth. It should be noted that my "anti-Arab" comment was "If anything I am anti-Arab..." on my own talk page after receiving repeated messages and allusions to my assumed beliefs. This was later clarified and it never impacted the main space. I get why making that statement raised hackles. If I am to be sanctioned, I think calling another editor a "prick" was a bigger concern. That along with a couple other recent comments have either been struck out or apologized for. I do not have a lengthy track record of incivility (not that I have not crossed the line before). I simply pushed the limits after seeing editors being uncivil and using their user pages to make polemical statements with little interest from admins. It wasn't right but that was my overreaction to it.Cptnono (talk) 12:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by others about the request concerning Cptnono

Speedy Close with no sanction: He's recognized the mistake, expressed contrition with a promise not to repeat. Move on.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 17:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Cptnono may think that offensive comments "do not matter to anyone"; but he did not consult me before making his gratuitous and totally unwarranted attack. Had he done so, I would have told him that I do indeed mind being called a prick. Now he suggests that this is OK, because he believes that Nableezy has behaved similarly. As far as I am aware, Nableezy has never made any such crude attacks on anyone; if he had, that would be grounds for censure, not for emulation.

As Nableezy points out, this comment was part (and not actually the most offensive) of a pattern of editing by Cptnono. He suggests above that this was in order to prove a point, he offers no apology, and he appears to make compliance with Wikipedia norms conditional upon the treatment of other editors. None of this is acceptable, and the issue should not be simply ignored. I think that Cptnono should be given a strong civility warning, with the stipulation that any further such edits will invoke appropriate, and increasing, sanctions. RolandR (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roland you made a number of contentious edits to Givati Brigade without consulting the Talk page. Then you brought an AE against a user who reverted what he rightfully perceived as vandalism. You still refrained from using the talk page (which could have explained the tendentious edit) and instead chose to file an AE which obviously took more time to compose. Cptnono expressed frustration with your bad conduct and quite frankly, you are very frustrating.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 17:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have made precisely two edits to the article. The first was to revert a removal of content, which had been falsely labelled "vandalism". It clearly was not vandalism; there was a content dispute. Then, when the same editor reverted me, I reported him for breach of 1RR; the case is still open above. This was not "a number of contentious edits"; it was one edit, reverting a false claim of vandalism. I have subsequently made one further edit, which has also been reverted; and I have argued on the talk page why this edit is appropriate. I entirely fail to see in what way my behaviour has constituted "bad conduct". And I am sorry about, but cannot be held responsible for, your frustration. RolandR (talk) 17:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another absolutely unwarranted request by Nableezy. IMO this request is more about Nableezy's conduct than about Cptnono. How many ungrounded requests Nableezy has made in the past? This should be speedy closed with no sanctions.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Editors don't have to like each other, that's fine. We can all secretly despise each other and dream of putting spiders in our e-nemesis's pillow or call each other nasty names as long as things chug along more or less as usual. But when you come out as actively opposed to an ethnic group and a religion, you have just killed any possible assumption of neutrality or good faith when editing those articles and alienated any editor from those groups and beyond. Questioning the need for an article, not on its merits but because "How many separate articles do we need on the Palestinians being sad?" or to "Call it 'Palestinians getting screwed with giant dildos' as far as I am concerned.", is hilariously bad-faith. Sorry, Cpt, but I'm leaning towards the same result I'd expect if it were my ethnicity/religion: topic ban. Sol (talk) 20:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

wouldn't bring it up otherwise, but once you bring up your ethnicity and religion, would you mind answering what exactly is your ethnicity and religion? feel free not to answer if you don't feel like it. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:49, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, champ. Would you like a DNA sample, credit report, polygraph, inner thigh measurement, sexual history and my kindergarten grades while you're at it? You could guess or I could just admit that I'm a monastic Pastafarian, and I am, as previously stated, probably not a cactus. Sol (talk) 05:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re CptNono: You can despise any religion you so choose. You can protest the Protestants, revile Revisionists, dislike Taoists, ad nausem. But don't tell us about it. Most people do see something wrong with blanket statements against religious groups. And, for the love of Odin, don't use it as an explanation for why you are "Anti-Arab"; it's like saying it's not racist to be "anti-white" because you actually just don't like Christianity. Insert another group, Jews or blacks, in your statements and then think about them. That you think this isn't affecting your editing isn't reassuring; you voted against an RFC concerning Arab citizens of Israel because you don't like how a related/overlapping group is portrayed on WP and you said as much. This is surprising and disheartening given your past record of commendable neutrality but this is too far over the line. Sol (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I find it somewhat amusing that a user who regularly tells people to "fuck off" [43] [44] suddenly cares so much about decorum. As for all these arguments about alienating others, again, that would have a bit more weight if it come from someone who didn't have a Hizbollah user box or a poem saying "now I have a gun, take me to Palestine" on his user page. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Once you stop being amused you can try to read what you post to this page. My userpage does not contain the words "now I have a gun" in English or any other language, nor is there a "Hizbollah user box" or even the word "Hizbollah" (or any variant) on my user page. The second diff is me quoting Cptnono telling somebody to "fuck off". In the first I say the reason I say "bye" is because I have 'been told "fuck off" is not an acceptable way to bid farewell to others.' That is, I did not tell Cptnono or anybody else to "fuck off" in that diff. I was told this in a WQA thread, a thread that Cptnono should remember quite well as he played a prominent role. Bye. nableezy - 21:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a diff [45] of the now I have a gun poem, in Arabic. I'll leave it to anyone interested to figure out what the yellow userbox at the bottom of your page is about. It's not very difficult. Now I'm amused by your contention that you didn't tell anyone to "fuck off" in the two diffs I posted above. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that line did exist on my userpage and I have long since removed it. And I did not say that I didnt tell anyone to "fuck off" in either of the diffs. I very clearly did in the second, but I did so by quoting Cptnono. In the first diff I did not tell anybody to "fuck off". I said I now say "bye" because I was told "fuck off" is not acceptable. Bye. nableezy - 21:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't you also use to have this picture from the the lynch in Ramallah on your user page? Yes, you are obviously someone who is easily offended and takes care not to offend others. If I didn't know better, I might get the feeling your actions were somewhat hypocritical. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No I did not, and I expect that you either provide evidence for such a charge, or that it be stricken, or that you be blocked for making an inflammatory and knowingly false accusation. nableezy - 00:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If an admin tells me there are no deleted versions of your user page with that picture, I'll gladly retract. I know I saw it on a user page here. Maybe it was someone else. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I dont care where you saw it as it was not on my user page; you have now refused to remove an accusation for which you have no evidence. You should be blocked for that. nableezy - 00:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't make an accusation, I asked a question. I'll wait for an admin to clear this up. You'll excuse me if I don't take your word for it. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 00:56, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: as the receiving end to a good number of provocations and no-comment reverts by Nableezy (e.g. "somebody with a 4 year old's understanding of English can see that"[46]). Nableey has an amazing statistic as the leader of wikipedia among people who opens enforcement requests against fellow editors, usually done after he tag-teams with another editor with a world-view similar to his who quickly comments on these complaints. Just recently, Nableezy complained that he was accused as a liar, demanding sanction -- soon afterwards he followed that up by "suggesting" others are liars. Obviously, I feel that Cptonio has been caught with a few violations of proper conduct, but when you place the context where he was being provoked by a tag-team, one of whom has a lengthy block and ban log which includes 4 months this year alone (Nableezy) -- I would suggest banning both parties for a short time-span for provoking each other and letting matters escalate like this without making an effort to resolve the issue properly. If the parties involved would make comments that they will make an effort to avoid each other, than a sanction should be avoided though. To further illustrate my point, I note how even on talk-pages he requires oversight (btw, a good decision PhilKnight).[47] Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 21:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did no such thing, please stop spreading such malicious and untrue accusations. Making an accusation without diffs backing that accusation is uncivil and should result in sanctions. I am also completely uninvoilved in any of the issues raised here, being neither the attacked or the attacker, which makes your accusations of "tag-teaming" and "provocation" as asinine as ever. nableezy - 21:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will you follow calling me a malicious liar by claiming you were never banned or that you're not the wiki-leader on AE filings? Yes. You repeatedly provoke your fellow editors. The issue of disruption and soapboxing and the way you revert as vandalism requests to tone things down (sample) should be obvious by now. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 22:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC) +c 22:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sample discussion with Nableezy (pasted from Talk:Gideon_Levy#focuses_on_the_Israeli_occupation):

Nableezy, I'm sure you mean well when you keep reinserting the words occupation and illegal to articles but you're forgetting the context and are ignoring references. In the spirit of collaboration, I suggest we list the non opinion-pieces that mention his topics of discussion so we can get a wider perspective on this issue. Please add sources to the list below (no opinion articles please). JaakobouChalk Talk 02:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Jaak, if you continue edit-warring over this line I will be asking that you be topic banned. Self-revert the change you made for which you know there is no consensus. You also know full well that sourcing to a Hebrew source requires that you quote and translate the relevant text. nableezy - 21:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Calm down and join the discussion. I made a rephrase to my previous suggestion to one that is closer to the only non opinion source we currently have listed hoping we'd get closer to a final version. If you insist on opening complaints left and right because you can't discuss anything, that is not my fault -- you can already see that most of my desired changes have been resolved and you're the only one fighting for this "occupation"/"illegal" issue. Anyways, you are invited to add sources and work in a collaborative spirit in hopes of finding the best NPOV source-based phrasing. JaakobouChalk Talk 22:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thats just funny. You get reverted once by Roland and once by me and you run to AE and you are going to say that I "insist on opening complaints left and right because you can't discuss anything". The hilarity in that cannot adequately be measured. Again, you are required to quote and provide translations when using a non-English source. Again, either self-revert your edit or we may have to see how much edit-warring in a BLP by a user who has a history of poor editing in BLPs is acceptable to the admins patrolling AE. nableezy - 22:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you interested in anything other than personal conflicts on this website? I've opened this section so that we can promote a long term consensus -- I did not open it for filibustering. Do you have any non opinion-piece sources to add? I'm also open to compromise suggestions that tone down the "occupation"/"illegal" rhetoric and add into the context the general topics which Levy writes about. JaakobouChalk Talk 22:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Although incivility and behavioral issues were addressed at the recent ARBPIA pow-wow, admins chose to focus on other issues, and the AE filing spree has continued. Cptnono you were wrong in your behavior, as has Nableezy been in his past behavior. Cat and mouse never works for anyone involved. Unfortunately when these things are opened it becomes a mess of "he said, she said, they said" which does nothing but polarize individuals even more and create further distrust and disruption in the community. Nobody ever becomes permanently topic banned in these filings, which is perhaps a shortcoming of the process. That said, I implore CPT and Nableezy to refrain from using terminology that they even have the slightest inkling may be considered offensive. It takes a "bigger man" to step back and walk away in moments of heated discussion than to say something "off the cuff". Apologies mean nothing, if it is just a recurrent word not followed by action. --nsaum75^{¡שיחת!‎} 21:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As I stated earier, Cptnono has recognized the lapse, expressed contrition with a promise not to repeat. So let's move on and not waste anymore time with this nonsense.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 21:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop using profanities I wish everyone would just never ever use bad words. Is it really too much to ask? Cptnono once used the most horrible language on my talk page and did not agree to remove it at first. Why do people have to swear? Why bring immature, crude playground talk onto wiki? Even reading these awful words on this page make e cringe. A little self control, please. Chesdovi (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilKnight: At the top of this page it says "Anyone requesting enforcement who comes with unclean hands runs the risk of their request being summarily denied or being sanctioned themselves". Would you say Nableezy came here with clean hands? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I hope that this will not be another example of some weird 'affirmative action' where Nableezy is given much more leeway for uncivil behaviour since it seems to some admins that he balances his opponents. I think he thinks we are dolts for not seeing through his '2 diffs' for telling other editors to F-off without explicitly saying that. Reminder Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive72#Nableezy (civility). FWIW, I can assure you that a ban of Nableezy will not mean a flurry of POV edits but rather quiet and a natural drop off of editing by many others like in the spring when SupremeDelicious was also banned. --Shuki (talk) 00:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW cpt, I'm not 'defending' you :-) but find it hard to accept the hypocrisy of your accuser. --Shuki (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say I'm happy with being charged for fabricating Nableezy's history but I still feel that if Nableezy reciprocates the favourable response extended by Cptonio then there is no need to sanction either party. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 01:15, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PhilKnight, do you feel there's room for some oversight on talk page conduct for both editors? I thought you responded well here. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 01:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC) +clarify 01:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Brewcrewer: The issue may be moot soon per the "historic" exception carved out by User: PhilKnight for a previous AE regarding Nableezy,[48] in which one of the issues were Nableezy calling another editor "stupid." [49] Curiously enough in that AE, where Nableezy was a defendant, Phil Knight felt it appropriate to take into consideration the behavior of the complaining party.[50] I'm sure many editors would like Phil Knight to explain why in this case, where Nableezy is the complaining party, Phil does not see a reason for analyzing the complaining party. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Tijfo098: "I actually think we need more white supremacists editing here". Happy Thanksgiving! Tijfo098 (talk) 04:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Lanternix Just a comment here. I quote user Nableezy when he/she says: I dont understand why an Arab Muslim (me) should be required to give a user who says that he is "anti-Arab" and that Islam is "problematic" any type of assumption of good faith. I am sorry, but since when exactly is it wrong to say that Islam is problematic??? Is it wrong wrong to say that, say, Nazism is problematic??? What if I, or other people for that matter, believe that Islam is a worse ideology than Nazism, that Islam calls for killing innocent non-Muslim civilians, and that Islam has been behind so many crimes throughout history for the past 1500 years??? Should we just shut up and be politically correct because the feeling of some people, like user Nableezy, are going to be hurt??? Until when will this favoritism for Islam exist? YES, Islam IS problematic AND criminal and there is NOTHING wrong with saying that! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ ^[talk] 04:30, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just try substituting "Judaism" for "Islam" in the above credo, and see what you make of it. And then to imply that there are double-standards at work here! RolandR (talk) 08:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I did replace "Islam" with "Judaism", "Christianity", "Nazism" and many more ideologies in the above quote, and I came to one and the same conclusion: Muslims want Islam and the Islamic ideology to remain above criticism, and this ain't happening! Compare for instance the reaction of Christians worldwide to a play that pictures Jesus as a gay man (offensive, from the Christian POV, but no violent reaction) and the reaction of Muslims worldwide to some drawings picturing Muhammad as a violent person (offensive, from the Muslim POV, and how many people were killed, and how many places - including embassies - were torched?) No sir, no ideology, including Christianity in which I believe, is above criticism! And everyone is free to speak his/her mind about Islam, just as they are about any other ideology - Nazism being one of them! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ ^[talk] 15:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a blog or an arena for soapboxing (see:WP:NOT). World view commentaries are best reserved for places they are welcome; article talk-pages is not a place where they are.

With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 15:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RolandR,

Suggesting Judaism, regardless if you agree or disagree with such phrasings about Islamic fundamentalism, is inflammatory and offensive. Considering the website you run, this "harmless" comment is even more offensive.

With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am mystified. What website do you think I run? RolandR (talk) 13:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I assumed Jews Against Zionism was mostly just a website but now that I give it a second look, I realise it is an "organization" of sorts. You know, comments that you are 'mystified' are not really ingenuous so I hope you're not planning on filing a "harassment" complaint just because I answered your question. In any event, your Judaism equals Islamic fundamentalism comment was of poor taste, even if was only to illustrate a point. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 14:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. I assume that you are referring to a website run by Neturei Karta, with which I do not have even the most tenuous connection. And where do you get the idea that I equate Judaism with "Islamic fundamentalism"? I don't, and I fail to see any comment of mine, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, which could lead to such a mistaken and far-fetched inference. RolandR (talk) 14:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry. I'm not confusing the non religious JewsAgainstZinoism.org site with the ultra-orthodox .com site. Your comment, intended or not, alludes an equality between Judaism and Islam and between perception of Islamic fundamentalism and Judaism. Please avoid making such commentary, even if only to make a point. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 15:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Roland was not equating Judaism with Islamic fundamentalism but suggesting you re-read Lanternix's words replacing "Islam" with "Judaism" and seeing if you catch what's offensive about the comments. It's a good practice when trying to decide if your comments could be construed as bigotry; insert another group to check if you were unconsciously using a double standard. Sol (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RolandR's comment is quite offensive in itself. Better avoid such pointy examples and just note the user that his phrasing is problematic. Btw, both editors, I believe did not intend to insult anyone. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 15:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hold up, so it's offensive when you replace "Judaism" with "Islam" in Laternix's rant but it's not offensive as is? That's the double standard. It's like someone watched youtube videos of wanna-be suicide bombers and assumed that this is what Islam is all about. We should be able to criticize and discuss controversial aspects of all religions in a way that doesn't devolve into bigotry. If you can't tell the difference between the worst things done by a religion's followers and the religion itself then you shouldn't be editing in the area. Sol (talk) 16:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. In that case, maybe YOU should not be editing in this area, because clearly you can't tell the difference between Islamic terrorism and Islam. --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ ^[talk] 22:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And in light of the above discussion, it's about time that user Nableezy be apprehended for his words and actions. That user has been given leeway for way too long, and it's about time for him/her to be treated the same way all other users here are treated! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ ^[talk] 04:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given the above gratuitously offensive comment, I hardly think that it is Nableezy who should be "apprehended (sic) for his words and actions". _{How would you apprehend him, anyway -- send in a snatch squad?} RolandR (talk) 08:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See facepalm. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:27, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sean and Roland,

Not everyone knows the difference between 'ban' and 'apprehend'. Its a shame to see established editors approach wikipedia like a content blog where ridicule of others takes precedence to other alternatives.

With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You think my concern was about Lanternix's English language skills ? Marvelous. Sean.hoyland - talk 12:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sean,

I apologize if there is a misunderstanding. Do explain what your facepalm comment was about.

With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 14:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jaakobou, no need to apologise. My facepalm was for the wide ranging soapy hand grenade Lanternix threw into the crowd which in just a few words managed to deal with Islam, Nazism, the killing of innocents, 1500 years of history, criminality, political correctness, bias in Wikipedia, censorship and of course Nableezy. Impressive but not very helpful in my view. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SUGGESTION How about we all just, like, grow up? This "wiki-lawyering" is seriously lame. If someone makes a completely unprovoked attack on someone, fine, they should be sanctioned. But if we're dealing with two editors (or two groups of editors) who clearly hate each other, either topic ban them both permanently, or let them have at it. Surely constantly nominating each other for breeches of civility is a complete waste of time. And for the record, surely anyone should be able to say they don't like Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Religion, Arabs, Jews, Israelis, or that they support Hamas, Hizbollah, Hitler, Irgun, and whatever or whoever else, without being threatened with topic-banning on those same subjects! Some sanity people please! Surely a lot of the best info on the Adolf Hitler article comes from his admirers, and surely a lot of the best info on Israel comes from her detractors. HarunAlRashid (talk) 10:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, if editors want to give their own personal opinions on anything apart from the content of articles, Wikipedia not being a forum, they're in the wrong place. Perhaps we should return to the arbitration enforcement request at hand? ← ZScarpia 12:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, that's what my first four sentences were about... wake up. HarunAlRashid (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HarunAlRashid, you said it very well. I will quote you again, in bold, so some people can understand that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is above criticism, and that all ideologies must be treated equally with no favoritism for any particular one! "Surely anyone should be able to say they don't like Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Religion, Arabs, Jews, Israelis, or that they support Hamas, Hizbollah, Hitler, Irgun, and whatever or whoever else, without being threatened with topic-banning on those same subjects!" (see also my reply above to Ronald) And of course, in light of this, Nableezy's comments above are out of line, because user Cptnono has ALL the right to say that Islam is problematic (which, in fact, I perceive as a euphemism very politely put)! --λⲁⲛτερⲛιξ ^[talk] 15:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This may be my first time weighing in in favor of an enforcement action. Cptnono, I went to you directly instead of even considering AE after the "sad Palestinains" comment, but I was just aghast over the "dildos" follow-up. I do appreciate your deleting the incivil remarks. However, the animus you illustrated in trivializing the experience of Palestinians by both remarks 2 and 3 suggests that you are simply hostile at this time to Wikipedia coverage of the oppression of Palestinians. As Sol said above, "you have just killed any possible assumption of neutrality or good faith when editing those articles." I can't find the retraction convincing right away, nor can I assume good faith. I think a temporary topic ban is appropriate.--Carwil (talk) 15:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: What Cptnono has done is wrong (on a number of levels) and completely out of character. OTOH, topic ban for any significant lentgh of time seems to be inpappropriate for such a good contributer. Sorry, but I can see it is as a battleground action by Nableezy. I think these guys need to be instructed to work together to build encyclopedia. I know that dispite this, you guys CAN work together. Please try harder. I know, in particular, that cptnono can write from NPOV and I think Nableezy can too. Not easy but there is no other way. Sorry. BTW Nableezy asked to consider this in the context of his block for calling someone an idiot. Nableezy's block was for 3 hours, right? That could be more appropriate for cptnono than a topic ban. - BorisG (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'll put down my popcorn and make an observation. Very, very few contributors here have actually focussed on the issue - that cptnono was clearly abusive, several times, but has made a - somewhat tardy - apology (before the AE would have been far better, but I absolutely commend his efforts to stop "supporters" going off on one). How about you all stop trying to compare this offence with every other offence ever committed by any of the editors in this area? It's like a bonsai version of the real IP conflict.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 17:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Cptnono

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I'll wait to see if other admins post here, but my initial comment is that saying the editor shouldn't be sanctioned, because the person filing this report is alleged to be just as uncivil isn't a particularly good argument. PhilKnight (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ronda2001

Ronda2001 blocked for 48 hours.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Ronda2001

User requesting enforcement: O Fenian (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Ronda2001 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Further remedies

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[51] Revert 1
[52] Revert 2, breach of 1RR
[53] Revert 3, further breach of 1RR
[54] Revert 4, further breach of 1RR

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

[55] Warning by O Fenian (talk · contribs)
[56] Warning by O Fenian (talk · contribs)
...

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Unsure

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: Sorry I cannot find the 1RR remedy to link to, I assume people dealing with this are more than familiar with this remedy already though?

The IP editor is quite plainly Ronda2001, based on this edit where he takes part in a discusion Ronda2001 was notified of, and also makes the same claims about his own credentials as here.

Both the account and IP were notified yet made the third revert, that is in addition to the edit notice warning of 1RR.

I am unsure on the best way forward. The editor is obviously new, but is editing in such a grossly point-of-view way I do not know if reform is possible. There may have been some constructive improvements buried in the article somewhere, but it is difficult to know where to begin looking as I am not overly familiar with the subject. I do know enough to recognise obvious point-of-view though.. O Fenian (talk) 00:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you PhilKnight for linking the remedy. Fourth revert now added. O Fenian (talk) 02:53, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [57] and [58]

Discussion concerning Ronda2001

Statement by Ronda2001

I am new to wiki - its true- but not new to the subject of the Lebanese war as it is the topic of my research at The university where i am an associate lecturer- please examine the article based on the FACT that this is well researched (the firts scetion before you get to the bit on militia's) and referenced with the most seminal peer-reviewed research on the topic of the pLO in Lebanon- and NOT based on hearsay and psuedo-intellectual sources found on the internet. Again I repeat that Yezid Sayigh "armed struggle and search for a state", Rex Brynen's "Sanctuary and Survival", Michael Johnsons "Class and Client in Beirut", Farid Khazens "the breakdown of the state in Lebanon" are the most eminent works in the field on the civil war in Lebanon and the PLO in Lebanon.

I provide specific page numbers for people to look up the facts quoted.

I respect the democratic attempt by wiki to arbitrate between different ideas and allow a platform for different views- but really when such poor research is involved- it should not be given the equivalent platform as sound established and peer-reviewed research- the outcome is not democratic when fringe ideas , ideological and rhetorical accounts of history are given free reign- AS IF THEY WERE EQUIVALENT TO THE LIKEs OF SAYIGH AND JOHNSON.

previous versions of this site are referenced with extremely impoverished and Fringe sources- the list of extended readings contain some acceptable resources- yet the article contains nothing of the information in this extended list

Comments by others about the request concerning Ronda2001

Comment by VsevolodKrolikov This seems to be a clear case of someone who does not understand how wikipedia works, and in two very crucial areas.

First of all, Wikipedia is not about "the Truth" or FACTS, but about representing the balance of reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a venue for someone to have their research published, and wikipedia does not take sides where there is genuine scholarly dispute, no matter how passionately one side or the other feels about the matter. I think that it's this misunderstanding that leads to the rather incredulous and strident tone.
Secondly, the behaviour shows that the editor fails to appreciate how editors work together when there is a dispute. If other editors are not convinced by your contributions to the article, you need to persuade rather than insist. And if you are an expert in the topic, you should be able to provide good evidence (and we have good rules about what counts as good evidence). We are almost all anonymous here: an editor's claimed credentials cannot be given weight when it comes to deciding content. Genuine credentials mean that you'll likely end up contributing a lot anyway.

Wikipedia's success is based upon a series of principles that have enabled volunteers with all kinds of expertise and none to work together mostly harmoniously to create good content. We need people with knowledge and expertise, but it's part of the package that their influence extends as far as what they offer, not who they are. Because this editor may actually have a lot to contribute to the encyclopedia, I would ask for a statement by the user that s/he has read and understood the appropriate policy pages on interactions with others and on NPOV editing, and understands that up to now s/he hasn't been following these principles. With that forthcoming, we might want to avoid a block. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Ronda2001

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Given the editor has made 3 reverts on an article clearly tagged as having a 1RR restriction, there isn't an option of suggesting a self-revert. Under the circumstances, I'm considering a 24 hour block be applied to the logged in account and IP. PhilKnight (talk) 00:49, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not to step on your toes, Phil, but I've blocked for 48 hours. I would normally go with 24 in such cases, but the blatant violation of NPOV and the use of the IP sock, I feel, make this more egregious than a normal first offence. I don;t think any action is warranted against the IP as it should be caught by Ronda2001's autoblock. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it has been. This can probably be closed now. T. Canens (talk) 12:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramle

I'm looking for advice about how to handle a situation in the Israel-Palestine area, from admins who might be willing to keep a close eye on it. I've been working on this article slowly since May 2009 with a view to taking it to featured article status. It's about a crucial issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the expulsion of over 50,000 Palestinians from their homes in Lydda and Ramle in 1948. Although it's a crucial issue, it's not a hugely contentious one, because modern mainstream historians on both sides agree there were expulsions and also agree that there was a massacre just before the expulsions took place.

I recently started the final round of copy editing, prompted by User:Noisetier, who wants to translate it and nominate it for featured article status on the French Wikipedia. I was able to find an academic historian who is familiar with the topic, and who kindly agreed to review the article. He has written a 14-page review, with suggestions for how to improve neutrality and reliability. What I would like to do is fix the article up along the lines he suggested, then take it to peer review for uninvolved input, and then to FAC.

The article was stable, and had hardly been edited recently. But today several editors with strong views on both sides of the conflict have arrived, and one has already started to remove sourced material he doesn't like, [59] along with adding material sourced to bible.org to the lead. I'm only able to revert once a day, so there really is no way I can protect the article against this kind of editing.

I'm unsure how to approach this within the ArbCom restrictions, and would appreciate advice. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 13:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think changing the article based on what one historian thinks is balanced and neutral is how we do things here. All significant POVs should be represented, and basing everything on one guy's opinion is unlikely to achieve that. Maybe you could post his report somewhere and we can discuss that before changes are actually made to the article. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 14:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've put some sourcing on the talkpage regarding one of the removals. I do find it tiresome when people ~~remove~~ tag material which is easily verifiable. It puts unnecessary strain on AGF. And well done Slim for getting some professional input. Of course editors should have a look at it, No More; I don't think Slim suggested that he take over the article. The review might be rubbish, but chipping away at its value sight unseen seems unhelpfully cynical. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 14:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, SV has made several dozen edits to the article in the past couple of days, presumably based on this report. I have already found an edit which I object to, and that's just by my mouse lingering randomly over it. I don't think a single editor can take upon themselves to make radical changes to an article based on an unknown historian and a report nobody else has seen. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 15:16, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've made 864 edits to the article, only two of which were prompted by this historian's suggestions, which I've only begun to work on, as I said. I'm currently checking text-source integrity and tightening the text. Editors arriving to edit it with very strong views but without knowledge of the source material isn't exactly helpful. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 15:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will you let others see this review? VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 15:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've forwarded it to two editors who've said they might offer advice or review the article once I have a draft ready for FAC. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 15:29, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't imagine why an editor would choose that article to bring to FA unless they love drama. Wait where are we now? oh right, AE. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 15:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SlimVirgin can be very focused on an article and make a lot of edits in a short time (but this can mean several days). Speaking from my own experience, if you catch an article she's editing in mid-stream so to speak, you can draw the wrong conclusion about where she wants to take the article. I suggest giving her some leeway here. Maybe she can post on the talk page when she thinks she's mostly done with her rewrite, and you can judge the final result. Tijfo098 (talk) 15:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the very idea of bringing this article to FA will not only create drama but will be detrimental to the quality of the article itself. For many will see that the very attempts to bring this uncontentious article to FA (and translate into French) are themselves contentious. But maybe I am a pessimist. Good luck. - BorisG (talk) 16:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why it has to be contentious. It's an area where historians largely agree, except for details or emphasis. And so far as I know all the writing in the article is mine, so it's my own work I'm copy editing, to make sure it's reliable and accurate. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 16:58, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ferahgo the Assassin

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Request concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

User requesting enforcement: Mathsci (talk) 20:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Ferahgo the Assassin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated: WP:ARBR&I (topic ban)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it: [60]

Ferahgo the Assassin has edited an article on the biography of a scientist connected with Race and intelligence (as mentioned explicitly in the article and one of the external links). She reverted an edit by WeijiBaikeBianji (talk · contribs), about whom both she and Captain Occam have made multiple complaints. She reverted the addition of a reference in the further reading section connected with eugenics. The lede mentions eugenics in the first sentence.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required): not applicable
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction): Warning or other sanction

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The subject of the biography is mentioned on 62 pages of the book.[61] Perhaps Maunus should WP:AGF.
Contrary to the statement of Ferahgo the Assassin (which she has now modified), the article contains the sentence in a separate paragraph: "He is also known for his theories on intelligence and racial differences, particularly his work The Evolution of Human Races."
Among other books which examine this scientist, his reputation and racial theories is the recent biography, "Henry Fairfield Osborn: race, and the search for the origins of man" (not used to write the article, but described as sympathetic to Osborn by its publishers) [62] Really this subject matter should be completely avoided, given the clear reference to race in the article, the topic ban and previously voiced disputes with the reverted editor. Other users could add the book I just mentioned to the article: evidently, given its title, nobody under an WP:ARBR&I topic ban should go anywhere near it (including me, so I will go straight back to my RL maths research ...).

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: [63]

Discussion concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

Statement by Ferahgo the Assassin

This has got to be one of the most frivolous AE threads I've ever seen. I'm topic banned from "race and intelligence-related articles", and Henry Fairfield Osborn is a paleontologist. I have the articles for several dozen paleontology-related topics on my watchlist; anyone can see from my contributions that this is my editing area of choice. If someone makes an edit to an article about a paleontologist which is on my watchlist that I explicitly disagree with, of course I'm going to challenge it.

The article I edited mentions race and intelligence in only a single sentence, and the rest of the article is about his paleontology work. WeijiBaikeBianji attempted to make the article more focused on race and intelligence by adding a "further reading" section which talks only about Osborn's eugenics work, and none of his paleontology work. I don't think it's okay that Weiji can add information like this that’s mostly irrelevant to any paleontology article that I watch, and then expect me to not edit it because thanks to what he added it’s now under the scope of my topic ban. I agree with Maunus that this looks like baiting, and I also think it's a problem how Mathsci and Weiji appear to be working together to support Weiji's edits, despite Mathsci being topic banned from editing race and intelligence articles.

Mathsci just posted another AE thread a few days ago that relates to this topic area, and it hasn’t even been closed yet. I really think it would be helpful to everyone here, including yourself, Mathsci, if you stop watching my contributions and this topic area - which you are banned from editing in - so closely, and let everyone get back to contributing to the encyclopedia. Additionally, I think that any administrators examining this thread ought to consider whether this pugnacious, aggressive behavior of Mathsci's that's been going on lately is at all similar to the behavior for which he was sanctioned in the arbitration case.

Comments by others about the request concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

comment I would decline this request. Weijibaikebianji has added this book as further reading to a number of articles that are marginally related to the topic of the book (or even less than marginal). I don't think it is at all clear that the article on Henry Fairfield Osborn is within the scope of Ferahgo's topicban. It looks more like a succesful attempt at baiting given Ferahgo's interest in dinosaurs.·Maunus·ƛ· 21:04, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

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This clearly falls under "race and intelligence articles, broadly construed", and thus under the topic ban. The article clearly details Osborn's connections to eugenics and his work on purported racial differences in intelligence. Ferahgo's response here explicitly casts her edit as an attempt to reduce the degree to which the article focuses on race and intelligence, thus confirming that it violates her topic ban. The fact that the revert gives at least an appearance of being targeted against WeijiBaikeBianji, with whom Ferahgo and Captain Occam are in an entrenched dispute, is an aggravating factor. I've blocked Ferahgo for 72 hours for a violation of her topic ban, and logged this block as an Arbitration enforcement matter on the case page. MastCell ^Talk 23:19, 26 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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+* This clearly falls under "race and intelligence articles, broadly construed", and thus under the topic ban. The article clearly details Osborn's connections to eugenics and his work on purported racial differences in intelligence. Ferahgo's response here explicitly casts her edit as an attempt to reduce the degree to which the article focuses on race and intelligence, thus confirming that it violates her topic ban. The fact that the revert gives at least an appearance of being targeted against WeijiBaikeBianji, with whom Ferahgo and Captain Occam are in an entrenched dispute, is an aggravating factor. I've blocked Ferahgo for 72 hours for a violation of her topic ban, and logged this block as an Arbitration enforcement matter on the case page. '''[[User:MastCell|MastCell]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:MastCell|Talk]]</sup> 23:19, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

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