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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted G12 as a copyvio of this page (click on Walterschied's name) Black Kite 11:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Walterschied

Grand, uncited claims in bio - says he has represented "A" list actors and screenwriters, but none listed. Seems like a vanity article. Mr. Vernon (talk) 20:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional delete. Heading up an award-winning company would make some notable if the awards are real and themselves notable. But that hasn't been proven. My position can be summed up as "delete, until or unless reliable third-party sources are presented". - Vianello (talk) 21:00, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to defend this page and say that everything that is mentioned is confirmed by IMDB, Internet Movie Data Base, a site that takes into consideration what is factual and what is not. IMDB goes through a process of checking facts before it is published on the site. Scott's bio is factual, from who he's worked for to what companies he's headed up. Check your sources before questioning Wonderland Productions awards. Founders, Bill McCullough and Dan Klein are both emmy-award winners, as is their company. Keep this page, it's not committing a crime, just a simple bio of Scott Walterschied's career thus far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pprice1 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment IMDB is not considered a reliable source for biographical material. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Wikipedia:Citing_IMDb is an essay/failed proposal, which users can "Heed them or not at your own discretion." Wikipedia:Citing_IMDb was being considered as a guideline for a year and a half and it failed, because not enough editors supported the article being a guideline. travb (talk) 22:04, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB is a credible source in Hollywood and is used by all the Professionals in the Industry so I have no idea what Mr. Vernon is talking about. Lauren West —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know Mr. Vernon is not in the industry if he is questioning Mr. Walterschied. I have been a Casting Agent for many years and he is substantial producer out here. Laurenwest99 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren, your talk page says you work for Wonderland Productions, which is where Mr. Walterschied also apparently works. In any case, IMDB only claims he has produced three released items - two music videos/documentaries, and a small independent film. Hardly "substantial." Can you provide some secondary sources outside of IMDB? Surely someone of his important must have some press coverage. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 03:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support in this discussion, This is Pprice1 here, I simply posted my one discussion at the very beginning, discussing IMDB and Scott's bio. Like I said from the beginning, I'm not creating this page to commit a crime, I'm simply posting Scott's factual career bio. If you do your research and read the Wonderland Production site, then it is clear that this is an award-winning company and Scott is the Vice President working in Business Affairs. The two Wiki users who have marked this page for deletion are arguing that there is no list of "A" list actors and screenwriters that Scott represented... with that, I have edited that portion of the bio. And the 'award-winning' fact is cited on the Wonderland Production site. That is my case, and I've done what I can to discuss this and I do hope that this page will not be deleted in the end. The page is clean and true. Thank you for your discussions and I hope you take mine into consideration. (Pprice1) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pprice1 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]

First of all Mr. Vernon I do not work for Wonderland Productions. The talk page was a response to your comments. Please read it again. I work for Wilshire Casting and have been in the business for 11 years. You seem to throw around allot of inacurate statements without carefully reading. Do you work for Wikipedia? because I don't see the benefit of your comments and to attack IMDB as a viable source is quite offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 04:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for misreading it. However, this is not about me, or you for that matter, this is about whether Scott Walterschied is notable enough to be included. IMDB has much user-generated content which is why many don't consider it a reliable source of information. Do you have any secondary resources on Mr. Walterschied - newspaper or journal articles, perhaps? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you work for Wilkpedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is that relevant to a discussion on whether Wikipedia should have an article on him? Please read up on how Wikipedia works: Wikipedia:Introduction. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB is check and re-checked by the staff there, and I think the Movie The Game is quite substantial and doing films with Laura Bickford (Academy Award Winner for Traffic)also. I just dont see why you are spending so much time attacking PPrice's submission, it makes no sense to me. In any event I am done because I find it getting on the border of childish. Mr. Vernon unless you work for Wilkpedia you should find some better use of your time, you seem to be a intelligent person. Why fight over this? He is a player in Hollywood and I don't think he needs Wilkpedia to tell him or us that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to argue with you or indulge you in responses to personal attacks. If you have proof that Walterschied is a "player", then link to it in the article. I did a Google News Archive search for his name [1] and nothing appeared; there are only 16 ghits on his name, and outside of IMDB and a one-line mention of a work he produced on Comcast. Surely anyone this important in Hollywood is going to have a lot more written about him. But if you can give us some cites that prove he really is as notable as you say, I'll gladly withdraw my AfD. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:45, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last thing, like I said I am done I dont care if you withdraw it or not. I just think you have too much time on your hands and anyone attacking IMDB or a Hollywood Producer who was previously an agent at ICM does not know the industry. Again what your motivation is for spending so much of your time on this is something that absolutely strains credulity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still no luck at finding references I haven't been able to find a mention of the last name "Walterscheid" in Variety [2]. Neither does Hollywood Reporter [3]. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay this is really the last thing I am going to say there was a article in Variety last week on him and the Asylum project attaching Ethan Hawke. I do not know if you say things just to say them but now I really think your credibility is in question now. Good night Mr. Vernon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenwest99 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- I thank you for supporting this article (Laurenwest99). As for Mr. Vernon, I'm not sure why you are spending hours upon hours trying to find proper citations for my article. All I can say is, I hope you're getting a check at the end of the day for this, if not, then you've gone too far in trying to argue against this innocent and factual article. If you work in this industry, then you know who Scott is, you've heard of him. I don't want to go back to IMDB, but I will because IMDB's process of publishing credentials is much more in depth than Wikipedia. Apparently Wikipedia allows anybody whose anybody argue against articles. You, Mr. Vernon are exhibit A, someone who doesn't know anything about the entertainment industry, except for what you have at your Google fingertips. This process is not worth it and I won't waste my time anymore here, I'll let you do that job, Mr. Vernon. Good luck on your quest to work for Wikipedia, because I'm pretty sure they haven't signed any checks over to you thus far. (pprice1) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pprice1 (talk • contribs) 06:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Check the sources New York Times (USA) 22 April 2009, Vol. Media, Iss. Sunday, pg. 3, by: Lorne Manly, "Decline in Movie Finance" Variety.com (USA) 28 January 2011, by: Eric Kohn, "Walterschied Eying WME Comic Exodus" The Times (UK) 15 December 2010, Vol. Sunday, Iss. Arts, pg. 1, by: Giles Coren, "2011 London Comic Expo" Indy Film (USA) 16 April 2010, Vol. 520, pg. Cover, by: Staff, "Film Financing" OTF Exchange (USA) 16 April 2010, Vol. 5010, Iss. April, pg. 1, by: Staff, "Film Finance Panel & Reception"