Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fire Protection

Dry riser article

The dry riser article should be merged with the Fire Sprinker System. In the US, the terms standpipe and riser are exclusive. A standpipe supplies water to a hose system, whereas a riser supplies water to a sprinkler system. This should be resolved with the existing Dry systems section at the Fire sprinkler page. Fireproeng 15:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dry_riser")

Master plan?

I think in order to fix up some of these articles, we need to come up with a master plan. Right now, we have some articles that could be merged, and some that need to be repositioned. For one thing, fire alarm needs some work, as it most specifically discusses notification appliances and thus should be positioned as such and reworked for that.

Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Fire Protection

This section appears to be made up entirely of UK and AUS contributions. Furthermore, the photo of a heat detector appears to be a burglar alarm component. WTF?

Project directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Fire Service

Is there any interest in expanding this Project to include more of the fire service. There are many articles which could fall under a Fire Service WikiProject. Any interest? Let me know!--Daysleeper47 21:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

List them in here. I'd love to see it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

What I had in mind includes but is not limited to:

Famous Fires - includes both wildfires and structures

Cocoanut Grove fire

The Station nightclub fire

Cedar Fire

Fire Departments

Arlington County Fire Department

New York City Fire Department

Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service

Fire apparatus and related

Fireboat

Seagrave Fire Apparatus

Turntable ladder

Fire Service tools and terms

Backdraft

Hook ladder

K-tool

Some of these are already tagged as belonging to WikiProject Diaster Management, but that is clearly not entirely appropriate. This project could easily act as a cousin project (I am a member of that Project). Some things like the stub template already exist. Thoughts? --Daysleeper47 05:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Expanded Topic List

Hi. I just came across this project for the first time. I am currently a Fire Protection Engineering student at Worcester Polytechnic Institute. This semester, in our Building Firesafety class, each student (33 in all) was assigned a topic related to the course subject. The assignment was to write a paper on the assigned topic and to post it as a wiki to a program called SourceForge. Throughout the semester, each student was required to read each wiki and to contribute in some way. We are now in our final week of class and each student is expected to clean up their wiki for a final grade by Sunday, Dec 10. This means that there will be (theoretically) 33 wikis that could be incorporated into Wikipedia and that fit perfectly into this project.

Some of the wikis were written by foreign students for whom English is a second language; some were not completely exhaustive of the given subject; and some are duplicates of topics that already exist in Wikipedia (and may have used Wikipedia as a resource). Therefore, there is probably a good deal of clean-up that would be required before they could be incorporated. Of course, if this is what you enjoy doing...

In any case, our professor, Dr. Jonathan Barnett, did mention early in the semester that he was considering contributing the best wiki(s) to Wikipedia. You might want to contact him about that. His email address is jbarnett@wpi.edu.

FYI, here is the topic list:

1. Aspirating Smoke Detectors
2. Atria Egress Issues
3. Atria Smoke Control
4. Basic Automatic Sprinklers
5. Basic Computer Modeling for Building Firesafety Design
6. Basic Egress Systems
7. Basic Gaseous Suppression Systems
8. Basic Heat Detection
9. Basics of Explosion Protection
10. Basic Smoke Detection
11. Basic Structural Fire Protection
12. Building Exit Stairways
13. Designing Against Terrorism Caused Fires
14. Designing Buildings for the Fire Service
15. Detecting Fires in Large Spaces
16. Designing for Arson Caused Fires
17. Dry Pipe Automatic Sprinkler Systems
18. Fire Alarm Audibility
19. Fire Department Fatalities Throughout the World
20. Fire Department Suppression
21. Fire Resistance of Concrete
22. Fire Resistance of Steel
23. Fire Resistance of Timber
24. Full Scale Smoke Testing
25. Historic Overview of Conflagrations
26. History of Fire Fighting Appliances
27. History of Fires in Assembly Occupancies
28. History of Fires in Tall Buildings
29. Horizontal Exits, Dead Ends and Common Path of Travel
30. Pre-Action Sprinkler Systems
31. Portable Fire Extinguishers
32. Residential Fire Problems
33. Use of Elevators in Building Egress During Fires

--bc2586 17:52 EST, 6 December 2006

*drools* I love the idea! That would be a GREAT addition, as long as it's well-cited. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• I agree. Great idea. Anything to help WikiProject Fire Protection! --Daysleeper47 03:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 23:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Title page

The first sentance of the Project Page refers to the scope being fire alarms. This isn't correct, is it? Shouldn't this be fire protection? Fireproeng 10:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I changed the wording to read fire protection systems --Daysleeper47 23:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The project was originally called "WikiProject Fire Alarms", and later expanded its scope, with the related name change. It seems we missed something when we changed the name. Thanks for noticing. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Fire sprinkler system

In order to eliminate confusion between the "Fire Sprinkler" and "Sprinkler Head" articles, and to align the definitions of both articles with modern terminology (e.g., NFPA), the title of the "Sprinkler Head" article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler", and the title of the "Fire Sprinkler" article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler System". But as I am new, I don't know how to get this accomplished.Fireproeng 22:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I moved Fire sprinkler to Fire sprinkler system to conform with the NFPA standard. Before the second move (Sprinker head to Fire sprinkler) can occur, any link which currently points to Fire sprinkler need to be changed to Fire sprinkler system. I will perform as many of those as I can on Monday and once complete, make the second move. --Daysleeper47 23:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Would anyone like to add a citation for the "required by building code in hospitals, schools, etc." tossoff in fire sprinkler system article. I think this deserves a citation to a building code.

Jockey Pump

Please refer to my 16 Mar 07 suggestion on Talk:Jockey pump, in which I suggest this very short article be incorporated into the Fire pump article. But I don't know how to get this accomplished.Fireproeng 17:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Fire alarm template

See Template talk:Fire protection#Convert to bottom box? for discussion on converting the template to a different format. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Bounding

I would appreciate the comments of the Participants of this WikiProject regarding the Bounding as a term discussion at Talk:Bounding. Fireproeng 06:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Four fire brigade articles for deletion

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Notice of List articles

Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Wikipedia:Contents subpages (not by me).

• List of basic firefighting topics

This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 20:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Article assessment

We as the members of this project have not been active recently in accomplishing much. I would like to propose proceeding with article assessment. I'll wait a few days to see i anyone else want s to join in, and then I'll go ahead and assess a few articles to get things started. A good listing of assessment criteria is at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.

We may wish to also assign priorities to articles, but maybe we don’t have enough articles to work on, I'm not sure. Couldn't hurt, in my opinion. Fireproeng (talk) 00:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Standpipe article

The picture of the "standpipe" connection from Princeton University in the standpipe article is not a standpipe connection. I recommend that this be changed to a more accurate picture. What is pictured is actually a test header for a fire pump. It is used for testing purposes only. See NFPA 20 and 25 for more information on fire pumps and testing of protection systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.75.165 (talk • contribs)

Standpipes have "risers" to supply water to connections at each floor, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.75.165 (talk • contribs)

Building Emergency Control Organisation

I'm planning on putting together some photos and words for some articles that don't yet exist: Chief Fire Warden and Fire warden - members of a building Emergency Control Organisation, who have the right to direct people to leave a building in an emergency.

Warden Intercom Point - a telephone intercom by which a fire warden may speak to the chief warden manning the Emergency Warning and Intercommunication System.

I'm pretty sure that many of these terms will be local to Australia (where I'm a building's Chief Warden), or perhaps to Australia and Britain. Can anyone tell me if any of these articles already exist under other names, and also if anyone knows these by another name, as I'd like to write these in as non-parochial a way as I can manage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psud (talk • contribs) 11:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

A discussion

An important discussion on " Should WikiProjects get prior approval of other WikiProjects (Descendant or Related or any ) to tag articles that overlaps their scope ? " is open here . We welcome you to participate and give your valuable opinions. -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - , member of WikiProject Council. 14:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Cooper Wheelock proposed for Deletion

Cooper Wheelock has been proposed for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cooper Wheelock. Given that the Fire Protection Template actually uses a Cooper Wheelock siren as its image, I thought that this WikiProject would be interested.Naraht (talk) 15:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Water Mist

Shouldn't there be something on Water Mist in here? it currently seems to be a small mention in the fire sprinkler system page, yet as I understand it, it's the major technique used on large ships and (as I understand it) in data rooms and the like. Amh15 (talk) 06:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the methods of fire suppression are sufficiently different from sprinklers such that Water Mist should have it's own page. Kilmer-san (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

is Fire protection not the same as Fire safety?

I am surprise to see that both entries are not linked to each other when the should be the same. I propose a merge. Opinions? Fire protection is the preferred term in USA and Fire safety in the UK, with other counties choosing theirs arbitrarily.Grein Grein (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Taking a quick look at the articles, it would appear that they're not entirely the same. Fire protection appears to be more building systems and designed-in features, while fire safety appears to be more about the human element of things. So I see some merit in keeping the two as separate topics, though they certainly should be linked to each other. SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I honestly agree with the last comment. I'm a nationally certified firefighter I and a firefighter evaluator in the US. The two things are not the same, but certainly have common ground enough that linking them together is essential.User:Ladymacbeth9 Ladymacbeth9 (talk) 07:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

List of missing fire-related topics

Can anyone have a look at this list of fire-related topics ? - Skysmith (talk) 12:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I seem to be unable to edit currently, probably due to the new restrictions but perhaps due to being somewhat new to the system. My question is reagarding joining the FP project and how to accomplish that I thought I had done. also there is a water flow test item that could stand some development with regard to the various types of water flow testing and the equipment used to accomplish it. I'm not seeing hydrant water flow testing in the mix and thats a serious oversight (unless I missed it somewhere. I don't have a lot of time but I'd like to give what I can to the community since I use Wiki for about everything Ladymacbeth9 (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Stagnant

Decided to start contributing to Wikipedia since I've used it so much since its inception and haven't given back. I'm starting on a project I have the most expertise with only to find there hasn't been any recent action here. Is anyone currently working on this, and if so, where? Also, what is in need of the most work? I'll probably start with smoke detection and branch out from there. EEthug (talk) 19:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

What we really need most is some really solid sourcing on the articles. Many are really lacking in that area. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

That's where I will start then. I will probably be rewriting sections and sourcing the rewrites. Thanks :) EEthug (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Are product specifications considered reliable sources? For example, the product spec of a smoke detector to be cited on Smoke detector. It would greatly improve the quality and accuracy of some of these articles I am looking at editing. EEthug (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Reliable sources are supposed to be independant of the article subject, so I don;t think so. But more importantly, citing detail such as specifications is usually not notable. Basically, we should be inlcuding information that is sufficiently important to be written about in journals, magazines, books etc. which have a history of fact checking and rigorous peer review, and concentrating on secondary sources. Kilmer-san (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion re "Firewall"

Readers here may be interested in contributing to a discussion at Talk:Firewall (computing)#Requested move. Cheers. -GTBacchus^(talk) 16:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)