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Ok, so why on earth was that AfD special enough to be singled out here? Sounds pretty typical to me. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 05:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so why on earth was that AfD special enough to be singled out here? Sounds pretty typical to me. [[User:Clemens|Clemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 05:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:It is pretty typical, and there is nothing special about it. I choose a random AfD and write about that. If there is an AfD that you would like to see covered you can suggest it at our [[WP:POST/TIPS|tips desk]], if you like. '''[[User:wackywace|<font color="#00A947">WackyWace</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:wackywace|<font color="black">converse</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wackywace|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 07:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:It is pretty typical, and there is nothing special about it. I choose a random AfD and write about that. If there is an AdD that you would like to see covered you can suggest it at our [[WP:POST/TIPS|tips desk]], if you like. '''[[User:wacky race|<font color="#00A947">Wacky Race</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:wacky race|<font color="black">converse</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wacky Race|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 07:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::You chose a random AfD? Is there really nothing more important to cover? Alternatively, y'know, you could spend your time contributing to the encyclopedia... If there's nothing worth talking about, don't just make it up. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 14:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::You chose a random AdD? Is there really nothing more important to cover? Alternatively, y'know, you could spend your time contributing to the encyclopedia... If there's nothing worth talking about, don't just make it up. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 14:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I've been here just over four months and in that time created 58 articles, contributed to one DYK, and spent countless hours working on my own to get an article up to GA status. So please, saying I should spend more of my time contributing to the mainspace is really a little patronizing. If you don't want to read the Discussion report, then don't read it. '''[[User:wackywace|<font color="#00A947">WackyWace</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:wackywace|<font color="black">converse</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wackywace|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I've been here just over four months and in that time created 58 articles, contributed to one DYK, and spent countless hours working on my own to get an article up to GA status. So please, saying I should spend more of my time contributing to the mainspace is really a little patronizing. If you don't want to read the Discussion report, then don't read it. '''[[User:wacky race|<font color="#00A947">Wacky Race</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:wacky race|<font color="black">converse</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wacky Race|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It's actually useful to remind people that simple content issues are unlikely to be grounds for AfD. Many AfDs could be avoided, many many more streamlined if more folk remembered this simple guideline. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 23:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC).
:::It's actually useful to remind people that simple content issues are unlikely to be grounds for AdD. Many AfDs could be avoided, many many more streamlined if more folk remembered this simple guideline. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmborough|Farnborough]]'', 23:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC).
: Good question, Jclemens. Moreover, why was TreasuryTag's behaviour deemed deserving of a public commentary by the Signpost? This is a very unusual piece, and not one I'd enjoy seeing emulated in future weeks. [[User talk:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] 18:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
: Good question, Jclemens. Moreover, why was Treasury Tags behaviour deemed deserving of a public commentary by the Signpost? This is a very unusual piece, and not one I'd enjoy seeing emulated in future weeks. [[User talk:AGK|<font color="black">'''AGK'''</font>]] 18:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::The intention of that section was not to highlight TreasuryTag's behaviour, but because I found the proposal that e-mails should be sent to users about talk page messages was interesting and something that the wider community would be interested to hear about. At the time of writing, however, almost half the report was taken up by the argument over TreasuryTag. I felt that if I covered half the discussion, then this COULD be considered censorship. My aim was to highlight this discussion so that users unaware of its existance would discover it and hopefully voice their opinions, which they have. '''[[User:wackywace|<font color="#00A947">WackyWace</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:wackywace|<font color="black">converse</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wackywace|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::The intention of that section was not to highlight Treasury Tags behaviour, but because I found the proposal that e-mails should be sent to users about talk page messages was interesting and something that the wider community would be interested to hear about. At the time of writing, however, almost half the report was taken up by the argument over Treasury Tag. I felt that if I covered half the discussion, then this COULD be considered censorship. My aim was to highlight this discussion so that users unaware of its existence would discover it and hopefully voice their opinions, which they have. '''[[User:wacky race|<font color="#00A947">Wacky Race</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:wacky race|<font color="black">converse</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wacky Race|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 18:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey guys, this is a wiki, remember? Feel free to edit the article and add what you'd like to see rather than just berating the person who took the initiative to write something. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 22:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey guys, this is a wiki, remember? Feel free to edit the article and add what you'd like to see rather than just berating the person who took the initiative to write something. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 22:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I've removed the last comment about TreasuryTag from the article, as I feel it's not worth highlighting here and just makes Wikipedia look bad. Let's remember that the Signpost is meant to showcase the best of Wikipedia, not comments we'd later regret. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 23:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I've removed the last comment about Treasury Tag from the article, as I feel it's not worth highlighting here and just makes Wikipedia look bad. Let's remember that the Signpost is meant to showcase the best of Wikipedia, not comments we'd later regret. [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 23:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


I don't like talking about AfDs here. I think it just looks like the signpost has nothing better to write about. Even Cunard's nominations of secret pages is more notable than an individual AfD. '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:navy"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]'' [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]] <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 01:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't like talking about ADs here. I think it just looks like the signpost has nothing better to write about. Even Cunard's nominations of secret pages is more notable than an individual AdD. '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:navy"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]'' [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]] <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 01:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
: I also agree. I have the feeling that the author write these 2 stories just as a page filler. There're lots more discussion happening that are more worthy to mention (e.g. about [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Betacommand#Relaxing_or_rescinding_of_community-imposed_restrictions_on_User:Betacommand_.2F_.CE.94|relaxing Betacommand's restrictiong]] to run the SPI bot) [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 03:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
: I also agree. I have the feeling that the author write these 2 stories just as a page filler. There're lots more discussion happening that are more worthy to mention (e.g. about [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Betacommand#Relaxing_or_rescinding_of_community-imposed_restrictions_on_User:Betacommand_.2F_.CE.94|relaxing Betacommand's restrictiong]] to run the SPI bot) [[User:Ohana United|<b><font color="#0000FF">Ohana United</font></b>]][[User talk:Ohana United|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 03:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::I think that partly because of the comments here, and partly because the page ''is'' very hard to write, it has gone on a holiday from now. The page labours under the burden that we are all suffused in the reading of discussions. However, if a few noteworthy discussions arise in the future, I guess they could make a good story. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 03:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::I think that partly because of the comments here, and partly because the page ''is'' very hard to write, it has gone on a holiday from now. The page labours under the burden that we are all suffused in the reading of discussions. However, if a few noteworthy discussions arise in the future, I guess they could make a good story. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 03:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I welcome the reporting of some discussions and AFDs in the Signpost. Wikipedia can be a puzzling place for a newcomer and this sometimes fraught activity needs a window where some of the niceties and outcomes can be observed without diving in. It also tends to be the perogative of news editors to decide what constitutes news. [[User:Lumos3|Lumos3]] ([[User talk:Lumos3|talk]]) 21:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-article-comments-end/comments page Ok, so why on earth was that AfD special enough to be singled out here? Sounds pretty typical to me. Clemens (talk) 05:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is pretty typical, and there is nothing special about it. I choose a random AfD and write about that. If there is an AdD that you would like to see covered you can suggest it at our tips desk, if you like. Wacky Race converse | contribs 07:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You chose a random AdD? Is there really nothing more important to cover? Alternatively, y'know, you could spend your time contributing to the encyclopedia... If there's nothing worth talking about, don't just make it up. J Milburn (talk) 14:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've been here just over four months and in that time created 58 articles, contributed to one DYK, and spent countless hours working on my own to get an article up to GA status. So please, saying I should spend more of my time contributing to the mainspace is really a little patronizing. If you don't want to read the Discussion report, then don't read it. Wacky Race converse | contribs 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's actually useful to remind people that simple content issues are unlikely to be grounds for AdD. Many AfDs could be avoided, many many more streamlined if more folk remembered this simple guideline. Rich Farnborough, 23:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]
Good question, Jclemens. Moreover, why was Treasury Tags behaviour deemed deserving of a public commentary by the Signpost? This is a very unusual piece, and not one I'd enjoy seeing emulated in future weeks. AGK 18:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The intention of that section was not to highlight Treasury Tags behaviour, but because I found the proposal that e-mails should be sent to users about talk page messages was interesting and something that the wider community would be interested to hear about. At the time of writing, however, almost half the report was taken up by the argument over Treasury Tag. I felt that if I covered half the discussion, then this COULD be considered censorship. My aim was to highlight this discussion so that users unaware of its existence would discover it and hopefully voice their opinions, which they have. Wacky Race converse | contribs 18:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey guys, this is a wiki, remember? Feel free to edit the article and add what you'd like to see rather than just berating the person who took the initiative to write something. Kaldari (talk) 22:11, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the last comment about Treasury Tag from the article, as I feel it's not worth highlighting here and just makes Wikipedia look bad. Let's remember that the Signpost is meant to showcase the best of Wikipedia, not comments we'd later regret. Robofish (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like talking about ADs here. I think it just looks like the signpost has nothing better to write about. Even Cunard's nominations of secret pages is more notable than an individual AdD. Kayau Voting IS evil 01:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree. I have the feeling that the author write these 2 stories just as a page filler. There're lots more discussion happening that are more worthy to mention (e.g. about relaxing Betacommand's restrictiong to run the SPI bot) Ohana UnitedTalk page 03:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that partly because of the comments here, and partly because the page is very hard to write, it has gone on a holiday from now. The page labours under the burden that we are all suffused in the reading of discussions. However, if a few noteworthy discussions arise in the future, I guess they could make a good story. Tony (talk) 03:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I welcome the reporting of some discussions and AFDs in the Signpost. Wikipedia can be a puzzling place for a newcomer and this sometimes fraught activity needs a window where some of the niceties and outcomes can be observed without diving in. It also tends to be the perogative of news editors to decide what constitutes news. Lumos3 (talk) 21:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]