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Kurds as 'Iranic'[edit]

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I think describing Kurds as an 'Iranic ethnic group' doesn't make sense as linguistic classification are in relation to the language peoples speak not the people themselves (e.g. anyone can speak Kurdish and any Kurd can speak a non Kurdish language) so I think the 'iranic' should be moved to the paragraph after where it says what languages Kurds speak - and mention that Kurdish is an Iranic language.

As the Kurdish language is Iranic, but Kurd people as with any other ethnicity have their own unique genetic make up on an individual basis. Academic10 (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They're Iranian peoples, yet a concession was still made to refer to Iranic instead. A discussion was just had on this already, and most scholarship and academia disagrees with you. They are not only using Iranian language but customs, and culture, as well as having heavily among every other Iranian tribe contributed to that same tapestry of Iran.
I really would like to see this zeal to balkanize Iran's ethnic tribes applied to Italic, Germanic, and Celtic people on this site, however I suspect I know the reason why that isn't happening. 142.114.56.88 (talk) 03:59, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and tried to get consensus for this a few months ago, see Talk:Kurds/Archive 16#RFC: Iranian ethnic group, but it was no consensus. "Iranic" is the compromise that came out of that. Levivich (talk) 05:26, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a Kurd, we prefer the term "Iranic". We don't like to be called Iranian. Kurds have expressed their distaste for being called Iranian for the past 100 years now. I'm so happy that academic papers are now using the correct term. I also find it ironic that people go on about "balkanizing" and how wrong it is, when Kurds have been split between four occupying countries. One being Iran who uses us being Iranic to spew propaganda to try to claim us as their own to continue occupation. We are not one of your tribe members sir. Us Kurds have our own tribes, clans, and house, and it has nothing to do with Iran or being Iranian. Stop using Iranian propaganda speech to try to claim us. Iranic is the correct term and I hope it never reverses back. 70.29.13.118 (talk) 07:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If Kurds as a whole really felt that way (They don't), please feel free to package and send back your Dafs and Kamanches, Nowruz celebrations, Iranian names, Iranian musical modalities, copies of the Shahnameh, Loan words from Persian, etc and start creating a brand new culture from scratch. But don't grift off the work of all the other Iranian ethnic groups because of your own chauvinism. 142.112.215.133 (talk) 08:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"If Kurds as a whole really felt that way (They don't)"
We do. Stop speaking on behalf of us. Little boys have been arrested and tortured just because they cheered for the loss of an Iranian football team. We hate being Iranian so much, that even something as small as football is hated when it has anything Iranian in it.
"please feel free to package and send back your Dafs and Kamanches, Nowruz celebrations, Iranian names, Iranian musical modalities, copies of the Shahnameh, Loan words from Persian, etc"
And there it is folks. They're literally claiming our cultural as their own, and literally sitting here thinking we were made from them. What a joke. Shahmaran is a Kurdish mythology. Weird how anytime an image of it is brought up, it's always the Kurdish drawing it. You're also claiming Newroz? Really? When all your photos of Newroz is of Kurds celebrating it in Kurdistan, when all you can muster up is a table? You don't even know the meaning of Newroz or our story behind it. Persians even went and claimed our battle cry of Jin Jiyan Azadi as their own. Last time I checked, most of your famous Iranian singers were Kurdish. And lastly, Iranian names? Really? We have our own names. Persians have forcibly made us use their Persian names. HER NAME IS JINA AMANI. Her mother was crying out her KURDISH NAME. Yet you Iranians like always, watered down our culture by constantly using her forced Persian name that was forced on her by your country Iran. Mahsa Amani isn't even her name. This is what I mean. Persians love to use the excuse as anything Iranian to claim it as theirs when most of our traditions and culture was watered down and claimed as Iranian. We have our own culture, clothing, music, and mythology. Maybe if you weren't deadset on occupying our land and killing our people, you would know more about us. But instead, you're just fed watered down version of our culture claimed as yours by labeling us Iranian.
No. We are not Iranian. Deal with it. Again, don't mind the term "Iranic" but stop calling us Iranian to claim us. We are our own people, with a different language, culture, and history.70.29.13.119 (talk) 17:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with the IP just above, Kurds have all Iranian features, cultural, genetics and linguistic but don't feel Iranians ?? Don't take your peculiar case as a whole feeling. Also, all reliable sources describe Kurds as either an Iranic or Iranian ethnic group.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 08:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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fix and correct a big mistake in the kurds page[edit]

The page currently describes Kurds as an "Iranian ethnic group," which is not correct. The Kurds are a distinct ethnic group with their own language, culture, and history, and they should not be solely categorized as Iranian. I kindly request that the page be updated to reflect this distinction more accurately. A more appropriate description could be "Kurds are a West Asian ethnic group native to a region known as Kurdistan, which spans southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria." Thank you for considering this request. I appreciate the hard work you do to maintain the accuracy and integrity of Wikipedia. Best regards,

Jami Jamilmajid3 (talk) 03:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am writing to address an important issue concerning the portrayal of the Kurdish people on the Wikipedia page dedicated to them. The current description labels the Kurds as an "Iranian ethnic group," which inaccurately represents their distinct identity. The Kurds possess a unique linguistic, cultural, and historical heritage, distinguishing them as a separate ethnic group. Their ancestral homeland, Kurdistan, extends across parts of southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria. I respectfully request an update to the page to more accurately depict the Kurds' identity. A suggested revision could be: "Kurds are a West Asian ethnic group indigenous to a region known as Kurdistan, spanning across several countries including southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria."

regards, Jami Majid Jamilmajid3 (talk) 03:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of now, the article uses the label "Iranic ethnic group", not "Iranian ethnic group". Also, the current lead sentence does not say nor imply that Kurds do not have a distinct identity or are not a separate ethnic group.
One may argue (and which is also my personal opinion) that the geographic label "West Asian" is more helpful for the general reader than the label "Iranic" that emphasizes the wider linguistic, cultural, and historical affliations of the Kurds, but a discussion in Nov/Dec 2023 has shown that there is no consensus for such a change. –Austronesier (talk) 12:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. West Asian seems more appropriate than Iranic. 70.29.13.119 (talk) 04:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
agree, because we are not Iranian ReShan1956 (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1st The Kurds are not "Iranic ethnic group" but they are "West Asian ethnic group native to a region known as Kurdistan, which spans southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria"

Sources: The Kurds: A Concise Handbook" by Mehrdad Izady. In this book, Izady explores the unique aspects of Kurdish culture, history, and language, distinguishing them from their neighbors, including the Iranians.

Another source is "The Kurds: A People in Search of Their Homeland" by Kevin McKiernan. This book provides an overview of Kurdish history and the struggle for a distinct Kurdish identity, including their differences from the Iranian people.


2nd The Kurdish Language is not "Western Iranian branch of the Iranian languages" but The Kurdish people speak Kurdish languages, which are divided into different dialects such as Sorani and Kurmanji, each with its own unique accents and variations

Sources: The Kurds: A Modern History" by Michael M. Gunter: This book provides a detailed account of Kurdish history, politics, and society, highlighting their distinct ethnic identity separate from Iranians, Turks, and Arabs.

"A People Without a State: The Kurds from the Rise of Islam to the Dawn of Nationalism" by Michael Eppel: This book explores the historical background of the Kurdish people, their struggles for autonomy, and their unique cultural and linguistic identity.

"Kurdish Culture and Society: An Annotated Bibliography" by Lokman I. Meho and Kelly Maglaughlin: This bibliography provides an extensive list of resources on Kurdish culture, language, and history, offering insights into their distinct identity.

"The Kurds: An Encyclopedia of Life, Culture, and Society" edited by Sebastian Maisel: This encyclopedia covers various aspects of Kurdish life, including their languages, cultural practices, and social structures, highlighting their uniqueness as an ethnic group.


172.103.196.12 (talk) 16:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute: Kurds as an ethnic Ethnic Group.[edit]

Hello,

I would like to raise a concern regarding the description of Kurds in the article. The page currently describes Kurds as an "Iranic ethnic group," which I believe is not accurate. the Kurds distinct ethnic group with their own unique language, culture, and history.

Kurds inhabit a region known as Kurdistan, which spans across southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria. This geographical distribution and their distinct identity suggest that Kurds should not be solely categorized as Iranian.

I kindly request that the page be updated to reflect this distinction more accurately. A more appropriate description could be:

"Kurds are a West Asian ethnic group native to a region known as Kurdistan, which spans southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria."

This change would provide a more comprehensive understanding of the Kurdish identity and their geographical distribution.

Thank you for considering this modification.

Jamilmajid3 (talk) 19:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, don't add disputed-tags to talk pages. The way you used the tags indicated to readers that the accuracy of what you wrote is disputed. That was hardly your intention. Second, we go by reliable sources. Your suggestion is to change a text based on the terminology of reliable sources to a text based on your preferences. That is not how Wikipedia works. Jeppiz (talk) 20:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
there is 100 of evidences that we are indigenous people from Kurdistan ReShan1956 (talk) 09:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jamilmajid3: This is spam at this rate. Kindly refrain from creating multiple sections for the same topic where you ask the same thing (I already merged your multiple sections here [1]). Please also read WP:SOAPBOX, WP:JDLI, WP:FORUM and the previous consensus [2]. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen several pages where they write correct history. Please don't spread wrong information. We are indigenous ethnic groups and are not from Iran. ReShan1956 (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like there is some brigading occurring. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]